The Syndicate

LoRab wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I did advocate against it. I was told there is no more sickness. Then he gave up, and I did not try hard to talk him out of it since I knew he would probably be lynched anyhow since you were so determined. He was demoralized already, I did not want to talk him into staying just to be lynched anyhow. That would have been cruel and pointless.

And I felt more strongly about it after I woke up to find the healer dead and me...sick. I have said this. Often. For me wellbeing transcends alliance.

And I know you keep saying stabbing in the back, but I really honestly think we are all in danger we would not have been in becasue you were so sure that sickness was eliminated with INH. And I came right out and said it. What is going to happen in the next week or so, THAT will be back stabbing. This I don't think so. But I can't say I blame you for thinking it.

I was never sure. I was speculating that it might be true. I never said it as fact or even implied taht I thought it was fact. That you are saying that I did is dishonest. I get that you are upset that you are sick. I am upset that I am poisoned. I am not thrilled that the risk we all took by thinking that sickness/poisoning might no longer be a factor was not the case, obviously. I also am confident that there are cures other than 1 role, because from a game design perspective that just makes logical sense. It would be impossible to have a balanced game if there were only 1 way for folks to be cured--especially by a player who can pick and choose who to cure. And we already know from experience that rewards can lead to cures.

Why I think it is back stabbing is that the relative danger of everyone was exactly the same when we had BTSC and the next day. You knew where I was voting. You accepted that I was voting there, and said you were ok with it. The only thing that changed is that you got sick--the assumption that sickness didn't exist was wrong. And now, 2 of us have been poisoned (which is even stranger than you being sick, tbh--and more worrisome, as sicknesses tend to go away with time, I'm not so sure the effects of poison do without a cure). I didn't make you sick. My wanting to get a player who was a threat to me off the island didn't create illness in the game. You seem to be creating cause and effect where none exists. And thus, I do see it as stabbing me in the back.

Opt_Outside wrote:Phew, what a day... I'm not sick. That's very strange that two of you are. It can't be an ability- that ability has been eliminated and he could only do one person at a time anyway. There must be a gameplay aspect that we don't know about yet. I think my hunger is dropping though- I haven't had fishing luck. I hope as many of us get reward as possible cause being starving and sick out in the jungle of wherever we are ain't ideal. I can be a captain if we need another or I'm happy to hang back too

I'd vote for you for captain.

LoRab wrote:Hadn't gotten the chance to move my vote yet. Done now.

S~V~S wrote:

LoRab wrote:Elo, I could use some food tonight, if you're able to start feeding folks.

Elohcin wrote: I've got you. I also need to feed myself 1 too. I need to go get water. Want to stoke the fire til I get back and then I'll feed you some dinner?

So basically, LoRab, you lynched our health care provider to get your own personal chef?

No--I just wanted to put myself on the list of people who are hungry. Anyone else can ask Elo, as well. That's how Elo had used her role in the past, so I made the assumption that's how it would work again.

Sorsha wrote:I gave to Quin and sawyer on the first day. I gave 2 each to Epi and DF around the time Epi was sick. Someone said later that sawyer had stolen food from me around that time so I'm not sure if one or both of them got it. I've also given to opt and Golden and offered fish to others in bts when I've had it.

Thank you for letting me know. I never got the chance to BTSC with you, so I never go the chance. I wasn't sure if anyone else had. Or if your role was working.

I'll also say that if people were asking for food in BTSC, then asking for food in the thread isn't any different.

I appreciate the clarification.

S~V~S wrote:No, I am sick right now; read the night post. We got rid of ONE threat of being sick. But the sickness we had in our camp came BEFORE INH was there. There are lots of ways to get sick in the tropics.

LoRab and I discussed this yesterday, and her take on Atamai getting sick without a poisoner was, "Oh I am sure that was a one time event triggered by the poll" or words to that effect.

People on both tribes got food poisoning, triggered by the poll, in which people voted about bad things that could happen on the island. Everyone, at least on our beach, assumed it was from the poll. Was it a different assumption on your beach?

And those PM's specified "food poisoning." My PM when INH poisoned me said "poisoned." So, our sickness was from the same source as your beach. Several people (more than half of our tribe) got sick, all in one night. It had nothing to do with INH.

I didn't realize people could still get sick. It was a risk. I hope that the sickness doesn't last long. And he asked to be voted off. And I also thought that he was dangerous as a player--and that he was specifically dangerous to me. So there was also a self protective element, I admit.

I'm sorry you are sick now. I will do what I can to help you, if there is anything I can do. As I have told you, I am on your side. I obviously can't bring someone back. But I will keep the first going so you can get water. Or if you need to rest, I'll gather water so everyone can drink. Let me know what you need.

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I know that's what it said, just didn't know if someone else was already sick somehow.

I am sorry, I misunderstood.

If someone else is sick, they have not said. I am just concerned since we apparently still can get sick. Killing off the doctor was a mistake. He was no danger to anyone, and the only benefit to his death was a second food source. We can fish for ourselves, but I don't believe we can cure ourselves.

It is my feeling that LoRab wants to control access to food via her alliance to you. She knows you will not turn on her becasue that is not really part of your character. In addition to maneuvering it so that you got your food production power by the elimination of Faraday, she came out of the gate after the night post swinging at Sorsha, the other source of food besides fishing ourselves. Without a doctor, and in control of the other food source, she would sort of have us all by the shorts.

Perhaps she even did think we could not get sick, but she was wrong and now we are all in potential danger.

As I said above, I want us all to have access to food. And, indeed, I was wrong. Eliminating anyone or any role is a risk--I did not think that there was more illness in the game. I hope that it is short lived.

And I was asking Sorsha questions--I didn't mean to sound like I was swinging. You kept saying that she could feed us just like Elo, so I was trying to get a sense of how it worked, since I had seen no evidence personally of her role. I didn't mean to sound harsh.

Elohcin wrote:I did think Lorab's accusation of Sorsha was a bit harsh. I seem to remember her being harsh toward (I think it was) boomslang at the very beginning of the game. I don;t think she means it to come off that way even though it does.

I understand what you mean by her being in control of the food. And you are right that I won't turn against those who have been good to me until I have to. However, this is still a game. If someone I trust turns against me, I will not be helpful to them in return. As of right now, I don't think she meant to be harsh or control food by asking for me to help her out. But I appreciate your perspective, SVS, and will keep it in mind.

Indeed--I was asking for food because I was hungry, and having roles that can feed us allow us to also be able to do other thiings to be productive in the camp.

S~V~S wrote:He also said the reason he asked to be voted out was that he was demoralized for receiving three votes during the INH lynch for no reason.

Had he not received those votes, I would not be saying any of this now.

She wanted him gone back then, even before the poisoner was gone.

I didn't vote for him in the previous vote. That is not accurate.

linkitis: I did want DF out yesterday. I thought he was dangerous.

And yes, I was wrong. But how would I have known that there would still have been illness?

Also, I don't want to get rid of a food source. I asked Sorsha a question. She did not answer it--I got frustrated that she didn't answer it. She has not clarified.

And no power play on my part. But nice that you're stabbing me in the back now, after saying that you were going to keep me around.