The Syndicate

Dope. Are we allowed to post at night?

Let it rand!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:54 pm I'm voting for daisy sheep me for the glory

Any better ideas?

I mean I've seen slanky afk town daisy and I think it looks different than this

The only reason I wasn't pushing it is cause she clearly wasn't teamed with seth

But if seth is town she's back on the table

She’s at least not Enclave tho cause Enclave Daisy doesn’t do exactly 1 thing: try to yeet the player who could only be scum if they’re one specific Enclave role.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:54 pm I'm voting for daisy sheep me for the glory

Any better ideas?

That is, why did they do it, not why does he think that’s what happened.

Oh misread that. Thought it said “why do you think Enclave killed Sloonei.”

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:51 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:50 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:03 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:56 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME tell me what to think

Yeah I'm fine with Marmot

Lc too

Why is chop town

I think chop's messages are genuine.
I think the whole claim situation with Made demonstrated that the enclave team is uncordinated and not really totally present. This doesn't line up with how chop claimed with the timing and such.
I think there's no reason for him to message a person he's killing. Why not just actually message a townie, idk. I don't think messaging the nk is something the enclave would imagine.

Why do you assume enclave killed Sloonei

Is that confirmed?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:51 pm [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine
final answer

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:54 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine
ok last one for real
unless i feel like moving it again

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:58 pm ACTUALLY
[VOTE: long con] aubergine
ok i'm done now

Okay what? 13 min left to actually decide who I vote for here?

I don’t townread Kyle that hard. It’s just a feeling.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:17 pm There’s probably scum within Marmot/Kyle.
They probably panic voted Martin because Tony was Top Wagon.

I tied the Mac/Tony wagons. Am I teamed with Tony?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:08 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:31 pm this is i believe the first time chop says made and it's well after all the stuff

a little insight into chop's meta, it's actually illegal for him to have a correct read, that's why he never does it

Gilsmirk.gif

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:17 pm Especially when in my last game on MU a player was spewed heavily and well V by a wolf chopped on D3 but due to an indirect mechanic they got caught on D4 as a wolf despite being spewed so well.

Like spew and dealing with it is too shaky and dangerous to look to as basis for a read imo.

Everything in the game is wifom.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:11 pm jack why do you townread kyle

Feels Kyleish.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:55 pm Here's a list of players who have done enough townie things to make me not want to vote them today

Alison - she is presumed Slaver or New Reno
ChopChop - unrelenting attitude, confirmed ability (even though alignment isn't), handled Omega well
Jackofhearts2005 - flashes of contribution, seemed relaxed when Omega was outed,
Long Con - There are things I don't like, but I think his contributions around Made being yeeted look alright
MacDougall - before today, lazy town, today I feel better about him
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - CC'd Omega, his takes are reasonable, and I think a bit outside of his scumrange
Urist - buried Omega


Players I'm indifferent on

Dom
Grogu
TonyStarkPrime


That leaves the following list of people that I'd vote for today unless another good reason for someone else arises:

Epignosis
MartinGG99
Poison
Kylemii
Spacedaisy

What did Mac do today to change your mind?

I agree with the rest of your town list.

(Wish I remember if I townread you in this game or not. Guess I’ll have to dig into you to remember, which is frustrating cause I had a confident town read on you in A game.)

Indifferent list I agree with. Slight reasons to believe Dom and Grogu are town.

(Oh wait there was that whole Mac and Grogu like caught Chop but oh wait no they didn’t thing.... Who went first there? Did that go nowhere? Mac/Grogu probably not w/w.)

I somewhat townread everyone on the bottom list, actually. Town Martin > Daisy > Epi > Poison > Kyle. I’d rather chop in that middle section or Mac.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:36 pm I posted a case not that long ago, y'all could read it or engage with it.

What, the furry animals?

IdkZ somewhat convincing.

@Epignosis

Sell me on bad Tony computer boy

Yeah, Martin seemed to come in today and project town so I don’t get it.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:49 am @Jackofhearts2005
What’s your read on Poison?

Felt townie to me but it’s just a feeling I got from ~5 posts of theirs in a short timeframe.

I got awhile to catch up but what’s the case on Mac and Tony?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:33 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:25 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:22 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:20 pm @ChopChop

what makes you TR Nanook

The way they went about the obv wolf slot.

Nothing else at all?

I just don’t think that is ever scum theatre.
Nanook could be Vault City but I don’t think they are ever Enclave.

So you didn't in any way meta, town-read, or scum read a guy you've been harassing until he finally got that you were Seththeking (A.k.a Dark Magician on my homesite)? You apparently even played video mafia with him.

Did that even influence your thoughts on the mech claim by him against DOOM?

What I'm saying is that I don't see much of that publicly

Is this a real thing?

See, this is why you go no yeet until you have info. rollsafe.png

Mac has been slanking in general. They say if you don’t go poop often enough, it’s bad for your health.

@MacDougall Try eating dried apricots so you can play more mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:21 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:19 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:15 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:07 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:04 am Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Spoiler: show

Or you’re just a wolf hee ho

I don't think Grogu is wolf to be honest. His tone is ultra pure, his immediate PR claim is unnecessary if he's a wolf (wolves have fake claims, but the earlier you claim the easier it is to get outed as a liar - see DOOM's early Westin soft for an example of this), and he has shown zero agenda in any of his posts.

What did Grogu claim ftr?

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:20 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:19 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:15 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:07 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:04 am Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Spoiler: show

Or you’re just a wolf hee ho

What mate?

An advantage to Doo playing with fps on the regular, making people assume that she was a townie fake claiming when she was counterclaimed (or whatever).

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:15 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:07 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:04 am Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:10 am Well if both top wagons are townies, I think we should go no yeet unless anyone has info.

Patpat.

It’s a joke.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:10 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:42 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:35 pm would anyone believe me if I said that I was cleared from being slaver because if I am slaver I would have nightkilled chop just so I wouldn't have to read his content any more

Not if killing me may confirm Tony as Scum.

You don’t wanna lose yo partner now!

I'm going to be blunt, if you flipped town right now nobody would listen to your case on Tony regardless because you've been such an annoying player and you've been so stubborn about giving actual reasoning other than baldly asserting Tony is scum.

Yeah, like I'm super aware that Chop and Tony have been at each other's throats but idk why Chop suspects Tony. Idk why he suspects me, either. Probably used to.

Maybe if you read my posts you’ll figure out why I suspect Tony.

Honestly, that sounds like a lot of work...

Well if both top wagons are townies, I think we should go no yeet unless anyone has info.

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:04 am Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:03 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:19 pm Alright I gotta do a bunch of work and also Danganronpa but I was thinking about the game and before I forget this stuff, I'm gonna jot it down.


Chopchop - Note passer. BoS or wolf. Still hasn't said why he targeted Daisy. Mixed feelings.
Daisy - Got a notepass. Townie af for the way she handled it.
Alison - Fingered as slaver by Falcon, who didn't need to kill Slaver's so she's probably just the Eddie the one shot vig or whatever.
Dom - Town vibes off emotion.
LC - Mindmeld on Dom
Epi - Obviously a robot. Town? Idk. Seems like some shit Epi wouldn't bother with unless the host made him but I haven't checked the roles list for this either.
Grogu - Oh, is he in this game?
Mac - Oh, is he in this game too?
Marmot - ... I'm multitabling with Marmot. Has he said things I've agreed with here that make me feel like he's town?
Martin - Idk
Nanook - Counterclaimed a wolf or something. Just town unless there was a massive brain wolf bus.
Poison - Felt they were kinda townie? Was that this game?
Kyle - Idk. Feels like normal Kyle? Maybe? Might be thinking of a different game. Sorry.
Tony - People have been saying they're sure he's town but idk why.
Urist - Feels somewhat suspicious but that may just be his personality. Love the avatar.

This read list sucks. Never playing three games at once ever again.

Are you going to actually tell me you didn’t know Mac was in the game when he was one of the top wagons yesterday.

I was being cheeky. But I wasn’t aware of the whole wagon tie thingie. Basically skipped most of last day phase.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:02 am I think Urist is not enclave with Made because he pushed DOOM into confirming a shitty claim after Nook said he had mech evidence against it. Urist seemed to be trying to pressure DOOM into confirming the Westin soft, but we know that Made ended up claiming Zeke instead. If they were enclave together, this is an elaborate theater where they pretend to not be on the same page about what claim Made is going to make. I don't think DOOM is one for elaborate theaters as scum, so I think Urist is probably not enclave.

I can get behind this read.

From what I gather, things actually happened yesterday? I kinda put this game on the backburner because Nanook basically outted a red peek or equivalent on DOOMADE like 10 min into the day phase and I figured that was gonna be that. Every time I glanced at the game, Made was leading the vote count and Made got yeeted and flipped enclave so I didn't think much of it but apparently I missed actual #content.

Anybody want to just flat sum up yesterday?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:24 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm If Chop /weren't/ enclave you'd also expect enclave to be on his wagon. There's almost no difference in the counterfactual.

I think Made wasn't long for this world regardless of what happened.

Therefore they had to know Made would flip enclave eventually and the wagon war with Chop would be scrutinized.

This means anyone caught voting Chop would be under heavy suspicion of Chop was town. But if Chop flipped mafia then it would be a wash and you'd look a lot better.

Therefore enclave would be a lot more likely to vote Chop if Chop was enclave, paradoxically enough.

Oh, okay. That makes sense I guess.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:10 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:04 pm I'm sheeping Chop today.

why

my first impression from the made flip was that chop looked town from it

if chop is scum he is enclave because of the message thing. if chop/made are enclave/enclave then enclave always votes to kill chop over made, since made was vanillaizer + ninja and that's way better than commuter, as well as chop in general just being more distrusted and having less influence on the thread than made.

so from that logic I think if chop is scum we'd expect to find enclave on the chop wagon. the problem is that chop's wagon is Made, nook, myself, TSP and KZA. Made had to vote the counterwagon so that doesn't tell us anything. It is mechanically impossible for me or KZA to be enclave. I highly doubt that TSP is enclave with Chop. Nook buried Made so I doubt Nook is enclave either.

so enclave isn't on the chop wagon and enclave would be on the chop wagon if chop was mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:11 pm the obvious question is "if mafia would bus chop to save made, why wouldn't mafia kill town chop to save made", and the answer is that they'd out their whole team if they led a wagon onto chop and he flipped town, but if chop flips mafia then everyone's happy and nobody's going to question it too much.

So....what is Chop's alignment?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:42 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:35 pm would anyone believe me if I said that I was cleared from being slaver because if I am slaver I would have nightkilled chop just so I wouldn't have to read his content any more

Not if killing me may confirm Tony as Scum.

You don’t wanna lose yo partner now!

I'm going to be blunt, if you flipped town right now nobody would listen to your case on Tony regardless because you've been such an annoying player and you've been so stubborn about giving actual reasoning other than baldly asserting Tony is scum.

Yeah, like I'm super aware that Chop and Tony have been at each other's throats but idk why Chop suspects Tony. Idk why he suspects me, either. Probably used to.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:03 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:00 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:52 pm You had more votes than Jack

Bitch you blind?
Since when was I a top wagon Day 1?

1) jack had 2 votes, you had 3. if you think jack is a top wagon d1 you shouldn't be mocking other people for thinking you're a top wagon d1.

2) calling tony a bitch and accusing him of being blind is not a great thing to do.

Huh?
I wasn’t top wagon till Day 2 Fam.

Alison is right. I even made a comment about the vote count being like 5, 4, 3, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2 or some shit and thought it would be funny if names were switched on the polls to make it more like 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

So I can remember that but like...nothing about Mac. If anyone is frustrated by this, you will be happy to know that my wife sympathizes when I forget to ask them to take pickles off her burger but can name several hundred pokemon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:09 pm

Chop chop is a dog?

Alright I gotta do a bunch of work and also Danganronpa but I was thinking about the game and before I forget this stuff, I'm gonna jot it down.


Chopchop - Note passer. BoS or wolf. Still hasn't said why he targeted Daisy. Mixed feelings.
Daisy - Got a notepass. Townie af for the way she handled it.
Alison - Fingered as slaver by Falcon, who didn't need to kill Slaver's so she's probably just the Eddie the one shot vig or whatever.
Dom - Town vibes off emotion.
LC - Mindmeld on Dom
Epi - Obviously a robot. Town? Idk. Seems like some shit Epi wouldn't bother with unless the host made him but I haven't checked the roles list for this either.
Grogu - Oh, is he in this game?
Mac - Oh, is he in this game too?
Marmot - ... I'm multitabling with Marmot. Has he said things I've agreed with here that make me feel like he's town?
Martin - Idk
Nanook - Counterclaimed a wolf or something. Just town unless there was a massive brain wolf bus.
Poison - Felt they were kinda townie? Was that this game?
Kyle - Idk. Feels like normal Kyle? Maybe? Might be thinking of a different game. Sorry.
Tony - People have been saying they're sure he's town but idk why.
Urist - Feels somewhat suspicious but that may just be his personality. Love the avatar.

This read list sucks. Never playing three games at once ever again.

I have got to start keeping notes when I multigame.

I’m triple gaming. This is what you get from me for now.

Did a miss a good reason to yeet anyone but MadeOmega or are people meme voting?

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:32 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:54 pm Why wouldn't they of killed wilgy?

I know this isn’t a real question but Wilgy tends to get yeeted so scum don’t need to nk him and a vig is just putting the game on fast forward.

Don’t get me wrong. Wilgy is absolutely capable of playing a good game. I’d never use a third of my kp on him as a wolf unless he was confirmed town.

Was wilgy Townie this game? is there a chance Vault City saw a Enclave in him? If so, we might be able to find scum in Wilgy sussers.

I didn’t have a read on him iirc.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:37 pm Wilgy claimed doc and fooled the silly enclave duh

If this was the truth, it’d narrow down the wolf list considerably but idk how we can really know that.

I’m gonna have to borrow this whole “assurances” thing from the rules that Jay and others are using. My assurances list will be somewhat shorter.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm Oh we’ve entered the antispew portion of the day then?

Yeah!
start spewing yourself or meet the choppy chop!

Lol my partners are not Mac, LC and Dom.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:54 pm Why wouldn't they of killed wilgy?

I know this isn’t a real question but Wilgy tends to get yeeted so scum don’t need to nk him and a vig is just putting the game on fast forward.

Don’t get me wrong. Wilgy is absolutely capable of playing a good game. I’d never use a third of my kp on him as a wolf unless he was confirmed town.

Oh we’ve entered the antispew portion of the day then?

Early red peek (or whatever) claim days are boring. Sucks to be Made.

Lmk if anything interesting happens.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:46 pm Also, Dom is likely town and LC’s defense of Dom is fine. Though I haven’t read everything, he’s seemed to have spent exactly as much time on the subject of Dom’s alignment and expressed exactly the same reasoning as Mac and myself.

Like Dom should push elsewhere or find a better reason to push LC.

Where am I pushing, Jack? Do tell.
I don't have a problem with LC's defense of me. Why don't you want LC answering basic questions?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:46 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:40 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:39 pm Or was Nanook content with a Rej lynch and wanted to save this until today?

He was on me most of the day Bud.

I was content with either one of you yesterday

I wasn’t purposely saving this for today I just didn’t see that doom had claimed Westin specifically

Ok.
So to review, just so I understand:
--DOOM is claiming Westin
--You didn't see this, just thought it was a rando NCR
--You have info that makes it mechanically impossible that DOOM is Westin

Is that correct?

Maybe wasn’t it you that was wondering why LC cares more about your alignment than the rest of the game?

I took that as a rhetorical question ie an accusation.