Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[TonyStarkPrime]

someone talk to me

[Long Con]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Can I interest you in a Long Con?

Hey I was a solid vote for Made yesterday.

You did vote for Omega very early after the claim yes. Why'd you switch to Mac, then back to Made?

I think I was just switching to Joseph to mix it up a bit, and not just ride on a red check all day. Then as soon as I voted him, Made also voted for him, and I got a really bad feeling about it. Like, if Joseph flipped town then it looks like Made and I decided together to make that thrust to save Made. So I just switched back to Made to avoid association.

[TonyStarkPrime]

marmot talk to me about Mac and or Long Con

[TonyStarkPrime]

LC legitimately voted mac for like 12 minutes iirc

[TonyStarkPrime]

not a long time, and I think the way made voted on it right away made me think not w/w

[Long Con]

Kill me if you want, though I'd advise you spend time on trying to find mafia since way more greens have died, though I don't feel liek trying so if killing me is what you come to lose, it gets me out of feeling obligated to show up

This is always town. Last night it was clear we had scum between chop and rej. We made the wromg choice and should kill chop today. Why is no one voting them?

Grogu looks pretty bad here.

[VOTE: grogu] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

LC, you're voting for grogu. Talk to me about that

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh ninjaed. is that all?

[Long Con]

LC, you're voting for grogu. Talk to me about that

Poll voted a minute before posting.

[Long Con]

oh ninjaed. is that all?

Yeah. I went back to see why I did those votes, and scrolled up to see that post from Grogu.

[TonyStarkPrime]

What did your message say

I already posted it to Urist but here:
/Message Sloon

Congratulations!
You have won a Free Day Vig.
But ONLY and ONLY if you state all you have targeted during the nights in the public chat during today in this day phase.
IF and only IF you have target Alison you will receive an additional Day Vig.
BUT and only BUT if you vote Alison today, you will receive a Universal Janitor to go with it.

im participating in a self imposed no reading chop posts phase but I really want to know how sloonei would have reacted to this

[Marmot]

marmot talk to me about Mac and or Long Con

I'm softening on LC. Some parts of his handling of Made/Omega are in perfect sync with how I'd handle a teammate being out: Vote early for the towncred, wait and see what happens and if everyone bites on it, but generally don't touch/interact with them at all. That said, I think his explanation for his vote makes sense and I'm probably just reading into it.

[Grogu]

Lc is serious?

[Grogu]

oh ninjaed. is that all?

Yeah. I went back to see why I did those votes, and scrolled up to see that post from Grogu.

What’s wrong?

[Marmot]

Kill me if you want, though I'd advise you spend time on trying to find mafia since way more greens have died, though I don't feel liek trying so if killing me is what you come to lose, it gets me out of feeling obligated to show up

This is always town. Last night it was clear we had scum between chop and rej. We made the wromg choice and should kill chop today. Why is no one voting them?

Grogu looks pretty bad here.

[VOTE: grogu] aubergine

I agree.

But I feel like there were mech reasons he wasn't a wolf. That said, I don't recall them.

[TonyStarkPrime]

marmot talk to me about Mac and or Long Con

I'm softening on LC. Some parts of his handling of Made/Omega are in perfect sync with how I'd handle a teammate being out: Vote early for the towncred, wait and see what happens and if everyone bites on it, but generally don't touch/interact with them at all. That said, I think his explanation for his vote makes sense and I'm probably just reading into it.

I think admitting to swapping when made switched on just to avoid the bad look is a good look

[Grogu]

Marmot not you. I am ToWn here

[Marmot]

LC legitimately voted mac for like 12 minutes iirc

2 minutes and 3 second, but yeah

[Grogu]

Urist or Alison who should I vote for

[TonyStarkPrime]

Kill me if you want, though I'd advise you spend time on trying to find mafia since way more greens have died, though I don't feel liek trying so if killing me is what you come to lose, it gets me out of feeling obligated to show up

This is always town. Last night it was clear we had scum between chop and rej. We made the wromg choice and should kill chop today. Why is no one voting them?

Grogu looks pretty bad here.

[VOTE: grogu] aubergine

I agree.

But I feel like there were mech reasons he wasn't a wolf. That said, I don't recall them.

urist thinks that his claim (which he has not made yet) is vaguely verified. I'm less certain but oh well there are roughly three people reading the game they have to stick together

[Marmot]

marmot talk to me about Mac and or Long Con

I'm softening on LC. Some parts of his handling of Made/Omega are in perfect sync with how I'd handle a teammate being out: Vote early for the towncred, wait and see what happens and if everyone bites on it, but generally don't touch/interact with them at all. That said, I think his explanation for his vote makes sense and I'm probably just reading into it.

I think admitting to swapping when made switched on just to avoid the bad look is a good look

Well, Made voted for Mac and Martin voted for Made in that two minute span, I was curious whether either influenced his swap.

What's the good look? I'm confused.

[Marmot]

Urist or Alison who should I vote for

Why would you ever vote for Urist?

[Urist]

Urist or Alison who should I vote for

poison

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Can I interest you in a Long Con?

Hey I was a solid vote for Made yesterday.

You did vote for Omega very early after the claim yes. Why'd you switch to Mac, then back to Made?

I think I was just switching to Joseph to mix it up a bit, and not just ride on a red check all day. Then as soon as I voted him, Made also voted for him, and I got a really bad feeling about it. Like, if Joseph flipped town then it looks like Made and I decided together to make that thrust to save Made. So I just switched back to Made to avoid association.

I don't think a wolf says something like this

[Marmot]

Or Alison for that matter. Don't you have other scumreads Grogu?

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Marmot see above

[Marmot]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Can I interest you in a Long Con?

Hey I was a solid vote for Made yesterday.

You did vote for Omega very early after the claim yes. Why'd you switch to Mac, then back to Made?

I think I was just switching to Joseph to mix it up a bit, and not just ride on a red check all day. Then as soon as I voted him, Made also voted for him, and I got a really bad feeling about it. Like, if Joseph flipped town then it looks like Made and I decided together to make that thrust to save Made. So I just switched back to Made to avoid association.

I don't think a wolf says something like this

Are you and LC partners?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Or Alison for that matter. Don't you have other scumreads Grogu?

Urist / Alison are vocative. As in, "Oh tell me, muses Urist and Alison, of whom for should I vote"

[Marmot]

Oh, I thought those were Grogu's choices lol.

I've done a terrible job understanding what people are saying this game.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Can I interest you in a Long Con?

Hey I was a solid vote for Made yesterday.

You did vote for Omega very early after the claim yes. Why'd you switch to Mac, then back to Made?

I think I was just switching to Joseph to mix it up a bit, and not just ride on a red check all day. Then as soon as I voted him, Made also voted for him, and I got a really bad feeling about it. Like, if Joseph flipped town then it looks like Made and I decided together to make that thrust to save Made. So I just switched back to Made to avoid association.

I don't think a wolf says something like this

Are you and LC partners?

you asked me to tell you what I thought, this is what I thought

[TonyStarkPrime]

Some notes on methodology: my light greens are people who are I think either mostly cleared from one team or are town. These were determined before I started and I think they're consistent throughout. Everyone who's flipped I sorted by their color, Alison gets her own for "potential slaver", and everyone who has decent equity is what's left, no matter if they have just a little bit or if I think they're basically lock wolf.

DAY 1 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

BoKnows(8)
Voters: Urist, Esooa, staypositivefriend, MartinGG99, Rej, Alison, Grogu, Sloonei

c4e5g3d5(3)
Voters: Long Con, Epignosis, Dom

ChopChop(3)
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, Jackofhearts2005

Jackofhearts2005
Voters: DrWilgy, ChopChop

Rej(5)
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, KZA, falcon45ca, Marmot, MacDougall

staypositivefriend
Voters: DaughterOfOmega

TonyStarkPrime
Voters: BoKnows

Not Voting:Daisy, Poison, Kyle

DAY 2 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

ChopChop(4)
Voters: Kylemii, TonyStarkPrime, Alison, Sloonei

MacDougall
Voters: Epignosis

Rej(11)
Voters: KZA, Spacedaisy, MartinGG99, Marmot, Urist, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Long Con, Jackofhearts2005, Grogu, staypositivefriend


Sloonei
Voters: ChopChop

Not Voting: Dom, Poison, Rej, Omega

DAY 3 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

ChopChop (5)
Voters: Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA

Made (7)
Voters: MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot

KZA
Voters: ChopChop

MacDougall
Voters: Dom, Grogu, Epignosis

NOT VOTING:
Voters: Urist, Poison, Daisy

First thoughts, I'll sleep on it and come up with more.

Day 1 count seems to support the claim that either enclave is holding back or are just not present. Still, I think one of those three light greens on Bo is probably enclave just by balance of probability. The Rej wagon looks damning for Marmot for similar reasons-- everyone else looks good and I'd expect one of something. But the all gone team has some appeal, and VC might be spread thin. Maybe only 2-3 members at start.

Day 2, hard to look at. Not enough intrigue. Too much Rej voting. A bad look for Kyle no matter Chop's alignment. We also lose all track of what VC is doing at this point, but my bold read from all three days is Dom VC, just from this.

Day 3: We've already gone over. I think it's a bad look for Chop on net -- it's hard to construct teams when chop is town, assuming the wolf team had a basic idea of what was going on. Not getting the sense they did. In which case, okay, anything's possible. Poison is at least a wolf option in most worlds with chop town or wolf.

Mostly nothing new.

quoting to have this around

[Marmot]

Well, I didn't pay much attention to that particular point from LC, and then you pointed out that you think a wolf never says this, which forced me to think about it, and I actually disagree! I think a wolf would say that lol.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[Urist]

please just call grogu locktown so that he can be NK'd at some point ty

[TonyStarkPrime]

Some notes on methodology: my light greens are people who are I think either mostly cleared from one team or are town. These were determined before I started and I think they're consistent throughout. Everyone who's flipped I sorted by their color, Alison gets her own for "potential slaver", and everyone who has decent equity is what's left, no matter if they have just a little bit or if I think they're basically lock wolf.

DAY 1 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

BoKnows(8)
Voters: Urist, Esooa, staypositivefriend, MartinGG99, Rej, Alison, Grogu, Sloonei

c4e5g3d5(3)
Voters: Long Con, Epignosis, Dom

ChopChop(3)
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, Jackofhearts2005

Jackofhearts2005
Voters: DrWilgy, ChopChop

Rej(5)
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, KZA, falcon45ca, Marmot, MacDougall

staypositivefriend
Voters: DaughterOfOmega

TonyStarkPrime
Voters: BoKnows

Not Voting:Daisy, Poison, Kyle

DAY 2 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

ChopChop(4)
Voters: Kylemii, TonyStarkPrime, Alison, Sloonei

MacDougall
Voters: Epignosis

Rej(11)
Voters: KZA, Spacedaisy, MartinGG99, Marmot, Urist, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Long Con, Jackofhearts2005, Grogu, staypositivefriend


Sloonei
Voters: ChopChop

Not Voting: Dom, Poison, Rej, Omega

DAY 3 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

ChopChop (5)
Voters: Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA

Made (7)
Voters: MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot

KZA
Voters: ChopChop

MacDougall
Voters: Dom, Grogu, Epignosis

NOT VOTING:
Voters: Urist, Poison, Daisy

First thoughts, I'll sleep on it and come up with more.

Day 1 count seems to support the claim that either enclave is holding back or are just not present. Still, I think one of those three light greens on Bo is probably enclave just by balance of probability. The Rej wagon looks damning for Marmot for similar reasons-- everyone else looks good and I'd expect one of something. But the all gone team has some appeal, and VC might be spread thin. Maybe only 2-3 members at start.

Day 2, hard to look at. Not enough intrigue. Too much Rej voting. A bad look for Kyle no matter Chop's alignment. We also lose all track of what VC is doing at this point, but my bold read from all three days is Dom VC, just from this.

Day 3: We've already gone over. I think it's a bad look for Chop on net -- it's hard to construct teams when chop is town, assuming the wolf team had a basic idea of what was going on. Not getting the sense they did. In which case, okay, anything's possible. Poison is at least a wolf option in most worlds with chop town or wolf.

Mostly nothing new.

quoting to have this around

from the top the wolves are grogu kyle dom poison chop and someone who will appear probably by the time we finish chopping those five in some order

[MartinGG99]

I'm probably going to sheep Martin at EOD.

glgl

I would very much like to know if you're doing that for the sake of sheeping me, or for the sake of believing I have any decent feasibility wrt TSP.

You don't have to answer, but your input (if its anything more than what you've already said) would be appreciated.

[MartinGG99]

I'm kinda debating TSP either way tbh.

And I'm not sure why that is because part of me just wants to say "to hell with it this VC looks hella interesting if it were to go through" and it feels like I have a strong interest in seeing TSP die for my own solving's sake

but also a strong interest in wanting to not be wrong

[TonyStarkPrime]

Martin I'm gonna ask you to look at chop's iso and try to think about it from my perspective and see if that answers some of your questions

[MartinGG99]

Thonks:

1. Many towns have died. The chances of catching enclave are higher today, as they only lost 1 member.

2. I really really want to solve those less-active slots such as Poison and maybe re-visit jack cuz I haven't since d1

3. I'm not sure how I feel about the two people who actively agree or concur with me other than Chop Chop is Macdougall and Epignosis, one or both of whom have hated each other at times.

I probably have more thoughts but I can't really find the words to them to communicate it effectively

[Long Con]

Well, I didn't pay much attention to that particular point from LC, and then you pointed out that you think a wolf never says this, which forced me to think about it, and I actually disagree! I think a wolf would say that lol.

Especially an LC kind of wolf. Not this time though.

[TonyStarkPrime]

im also bothered that your progession on me is "tsp is town" -> "i read his iso and he's town but i have some concerns" -> "I'm voting for tsp now and I'm holding" without anything in between or without you interacting with me but whatever everyone says you're town so you're town

[Urist]

I also have concerns about Martin and am not sure why I have him as town lmao

[MartinGG99]

Martin I'm gonna ask you to look at chop's iso and try to think about it from my perspective and see if that answers some of your questions

I can't really think he's scum.

He's just so different from his recent meta on my homesite and he has posted a heck o'lot of times. Like almost volume-cleared, but I TR him for different reasons. His town game isn't that strong in how well thought it is, and if he's scum here then he's doing a preety good job of convincing me he's town with quite a few of his posts that would seem to me to be from !town Chop Chop.

We also haven't seen any other BoS, or at least I haven't. So there's still a BoS out there.

I also kinda don't want to chop Chop Chop (other than possibly for alliance's, not my alignment's, sake in the future) only to discover he's scum and therefore I'm going to have a very hard time reading him in the future. Like, reallly hard.

[TonyStarkPrime]

No I don't want you to read for that reason, I don't want you to think he's scum. I think you can answer your vague questions about tsp reducing his volume about posting on chop

[MartinGG99]

im also bothered that your progession on me is "tsp is town" -> "i read his iso and he's town but i have some concerns" -> "I'm voting for tsp now and I'm holding" without anything in between or without you interacting with me but whatever everyone says you're town so you're town

I didn't need to interact with you.

You already were posting a lot after I brought it up.

[Gavial]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Can I interest you in a Long Con?

Hey I was a solid vote for Made yesterday.

You did vote for Omega very early after the claim yes. Why'd you switch to Mac, then back to Made?

I think I was just switching to Joseph to mix it up a bit, and not just ride on a red check all day. Then as soon as I voted him, Made also voted for him, and I got a really bad feeling about it. Like, if Joseph flipped town then it looks like Made and I decided together to make that thrust to save Made. So I just switched back to Made to avoid association.

I don't think a wolf says something like this

Are you and LC partners?

Honestly I think Tony/LC/Don is the team.

[Long Con]

I'll vote Don any time you say.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm also sorta baffled that it seems like there's nothing to the case besides "tsp was pushing chop all day and then voted for rej" when I did not in fact vote for rej (you later subtly correct yourself and call this for 'optics' but w/e)

[MartinGG99]

@ChopChop

what makes you TR Nanook

[MartinGG99]

I'm also sorta baffled that it seems like there's nothing to the case besides "tsp was pushing chop all day and then voted for rej" when I did not in fact vote for rej (you later subtly correct yourself and call this for 'optics' but w/e)

I never said you voted for rej?

I only pointed out that you were open to it as if it was on equal ground to your Chop Chop suspicions.