The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:19 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:30 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:27 am oh yeah also rej and speed are totally compatible, I had reason for thinking that earlier even

lol you always do this

Even though I was the one to start the case on D1, and could have easily changed the lynch, it's clearly a part of my master plan. Less scum is better because then it's harder to find us.

Yes.

Correct me if you are wrong but you jumped on the case I started on D1.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:21 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form

Those two fifties have completely opposite meanings

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

This is where I started.

I have no idea where you started.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:27 am oh yeah also rej and speed are totally compatible, I had reason for thinking that earlier even

lol you always do this

Even though I was the one to start the case on D1, and could have easily changed the lynch, it's clearly a part of my master plan. Less scum is better because then it's harder to find us.

Yes.

Manips*

Autocorrect is dum

What ties were in there? Was rej a clean lynch or was there vote manias and coin flips?

Well, win some lose some

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:15 pm However if you (sloonei) are town that nullifies part of my reason for townreading LC (but certainly not all of it, especially since if you are town I'd put some stock in your reads)

Let me get this straight:

Your townread on LC makes you more sure of Sloonei's scumness, but the townread on LC is also dependent on Sloonei buddying a town LC

Dunno where you got the first clause from

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:58 pm Okay, moving my speed vote to [VOTE: tony] aubergine for now. I still want to lynch sloonei (will feel bad if I turn out to be wrong, but others see it too so it feels right). Currently the second lynch is rej and I don't really feel that, so I'd rather my second vote be somewhere it might make a difference.

Re: parenthetical: Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Maybe there are scum latching onto my tunnel and are more than happy to off a vocal town sloonei.

I've entered the paranoid stage. Help

Mmm except everyone voting for sloonei are like all my top town reads so nahhh

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:15 pm However if you (sloonei) are town that nullifies part of my reason for townreading LC (but certainly not all of it, especially since if you are town I'd put some stock in your reads)

Let me get this straight:

Your townread on LC makes you more sure of Sloonei's scumness, but the townread on LC is also dependent on Sloonei buddying a town LC

I'd be cool with a Colin vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:13 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:10 am Hot take: Anyone talking about voting Boo for their desire to policylynch an inactive is scum.

I'm sort of joking, but not entirely. Culture clash, in instances like this, is not a good reason to vote someone. It's perfectly reasonable in some mafia cultures to see a double lynch and be like "Oh, jeez, town can hardly handle one lynch, much less two. Here's a person that needs to be kicked out of the game anyway, to make it easier on the host, more fun for the players, and to make things simpler. Let's go."

And I don't want to hear that I'm reading too much into Boo's vote, because that's exactly what everyone else is doing. Six years ago, on my home sight, I would have absolutely voted Zemmi in this situation.

boo is a syndicate native, fwiw. he just hasn't been around much recently.

Doesn't mean much if the syndicate's changed a bunch.

You guys used to not give victories to dead townies.

But that's a little more fair.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:07 am My 2 top candidates I think are boo and Sloonei/speedchuck (because I’m vibing with nutella rn)

Interesting

Hot take: Anyone talking about voting Boo for their desire to policylynch an inactive is scum.

I'm sort of joking, but not entirely. Culture clash, in instances like this, is not a good reason to vote someone. It's perfectly reasonable in some mafia cultures to see a double lynch and be like "Oh, jeez, town can hardly handle one lynch, much less two. Here's a person that needs to be kicked out of the game anyway, to make it easier on the host, more fun for the players, and to make things simpler. Let's go."

And I don't want to hear that I'm reading too much into Boo's vote, because that's exactly what everyone else is doing. Six years ago, on my home sight, I would have absolutely voted Zemmi in this situation.

The whole nutella sloondawg convo has been super funky. Keep chatting

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:50 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:42 pm didnt knew defenses aren't welcome here

also people can never read me lmao

ayayyy

I’m not changing my vote but I just wanna say again that I really like your style. You crack me up.

Same

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:58 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:50 pm Creature yeah vote sloonei he is covered in fur

Yep thought that

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

You got two votes though. I personally would recommend speed or perhaps tony for your second but I'll leave you to some more of your own research ideally

I don't oppose any of them tbh

No one can oppose me. I am too stronk

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:29 pm At some point today I would like to develop some actual reads. Not now. But eventually.

Actually I might be cool with the sloonei lynch.

It actually kinda freaks me out that Boo has votes. Why?

Also sorry [mention]Rej[/mention] I know multilayered defenses are fun to make but nobody likes reading them and they never work.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:16 pm I will deliver a multilayered defense and this will be my first part of it.

I zoned out while reading this post. No more layers please.

I'm only lynching you because you had weasely wording and didn't take a stance on anything you said. You took a sarcastic statement of yours and tried to boil it down to an 'Interesting', which made no sense.

Step out and find someone who has done something worse if you want to do something. Trying to make your post look (artificially) more pleasing is what got you into this, after all.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:55 pm Jack needs to get some heat on him. He's being weird.

I agree but I'm having trouble articulating HOW he's being weird? If that makes sense?

Can you define the weird about him?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:21 pm @nutella

Talk to me about Speedchuck.

Spoiler: show

This is a joke.

He's a fantastic writer and we should let him do that instead of playing this game

Thanks. But I can do half of each, maybe.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:25 pm What’s he writing?

Don't even get me started. Or do, but take it to PM.

Been diving into ISOs.

Would not lynch:
Boo
Dragon D. Luffy
Dunya
Long Con

sig has been busy, but I liked his player salad post. Felt organic.
Zemmi isn't here.
Sloonei's questions sometimes feel incomplete, like he's missing context or just not really forming opinions before saying things. I didn't like his flip on TSP after asking the question. Like "Oh, people think this was scummy, I see that now." Independent of TSP's alignment, that grates. Everything else about Sloonei is gucci.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME is having was too much fun to be scum
Creature posts like he has a content restriction on his posts. Word count or thought count. Somehow.
Coliniscool's post #595 is probably the most interesting post he has in this game. Little content in his ISO, even less of it counts, but there are a few nuggests of silver
Jackofhearts2005's posts are like mega blocks. They fit together, but don't stay together in a strong set. I know his reads, but not how strong they hold or whether they're related... and IDK why dunya still.

I'm gonna go write a book. See ya.

[unvote]Jack[VOTE: [TSP]] aubergine

I'm still leery on Jack for some reason. I've been trying to read him like he's alternate-universe me, and I probably need to stop doing that.

I'm not sure how to read DGAF Dunya (AKA dunya v3 according to her posts). But I think her reads have been consistent, and she noted when they changed. That's a plus. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

Would not lynch today.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:32 pm

boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:29 pm why is anyone voting for boo wtf

You mean like you did in inception?

At least in this case two of my voters are mafia.

Which two?

I assume the two he's voting for.

okay

boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:29 pm why is anyone voting for boo wtf

You mean like you did in inception?

At least in this case two of my voters are mafia.

Which two?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:07 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:31 am Dunya’s reads are garbo.

what the actual fuck. how are my reads "garbo" and how are yours any better.

This feels like an overreaction, but I didn't see the reads yet

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:34 am

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:21 pm [VOTE: zemmi] aubergine for one vote as a start, at this point if we have to lynch two people one of my votes is probably gonna be a policy vote, so will get it out of the way now.

This is terrible.

[VOTE: Boo] aubergine

nah

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:25 pm @speedchuck

What do you think of Dunya?

I will look at her. I think I've missed 90% of her posts.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:58 am My positive interpretation is that Tony responded to my question very assertively. Scum Tony might have fallen into any of those traps he listed.

My negative interpretation is that Scum Tony is clever enough to come up with an assertive response to a question like that. He doesn’t want to appear soft, so he throws the question back in my face.

Typing it out now, I actually think I feel more strongly about the latter. Interesting.

I think town Tony is more likely to not want to appear soft I can do a self analysis if you want but it’s all WIFOM.

scumslip

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:04 am I’m going to submit one of my two half-finished games to the next Job queue. Should I do Radiohead or Fringe?

Radiohead

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:48 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:23 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:10 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:08 am I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

I don't get this post and I kinda think it's scummy

ohno I agreed with nutella on something

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:23 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:10 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:08 am I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

Being this analytical about your responses pings me. Considering the reaction a person will have to every single response seems manipulative and emotionally detached. Town folk have no such need, and can rely on sincerity.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:21 am i'm not sure i understand the "rej" case. is it a case of if dom and drago were both town, the third most talked about person was rej so he must have been bad? i mean it's not a terrible case, but is that the extent of it or is there more?

I originally voted Rej because of his weaselly language when asked a direct question. And I haven't really been here since.

[VOTE: Rej and Jack] aubergine

I'm going to bed. Tomorrow will finally be a free day for me.

I was right about Dom, wrong about mac. World keeps turning.

Still wanna lynch Rej, but I'll look before I vote.

Now watch as she complains because Imma disappear to deal with the people literally waiting on me because I'm bussyyyy

This post is trash.

There are actually only four 'reasons' in there, despite the ridiculous number of posts that nutella has supposedly implicated me in.

1. Speed is discouraging townreads. Bullshit. We've covered that in earlier posts.
2. Speed didn't fully follow up on his supposed pot-stirring. Somewhat fair. I am a busy man. All I have time to do is stir the pot, and rarely can taste the noodles.
3. Speed's read on Rej is just for him not having a coherent stance on Drago. Bullshit. It was about his say-nothing appeasement of an answer, that only makes sense if he's trying to play both sides of his statement. Weasel words.
4. Speed isn't thinking critically enough to make good scumreads, so he's scum. Bullshit. I shouldn't have to explain why this is bullshit. I've gotten scum player of the year before, and I get accused of not being SMART enough about my reads to be town in this game?

Nutella tunneling me is NAI but it does grate after a while.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:56 pm Why was Rej even being voted btw?

For being scum, mostly

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:01 am [checks thread]

Where the hell did this drago lynch even come from?

I was gone for a while and have no idea where the Dom lynch came from either. He wasn't a suspect of mine, at least. I'll have to read over it today or tomorrow.

Mm.

I'll talk tomorrow. I'm disappointed, but hey, ties are juicy hopefully.

I'm not even in that salad. Good jorb. bye I have company.

linki: It's been discussed and I started it with a question about sarcasm, check my posts

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:56 pm hi someone tell me who to kill any why. Thank you for your time.

ys

I kid.

Um definitely a no-show if it's a D1-only vig, or if you're deciding the lynch go for my boy Rej obviously.

If it's an any day or night vig, wtf are you asking us

linki: SAALAAAAD ONHOOOOOO

Yeah I cannot be around tonight because I'm hosting a thing. I have no desire to have a dom lytncvh, unless I missed a bigg thing

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:53 pm Speedchuck still has his vote on Mac, but last stated wanting to vote for Rej. I assume the general rule of thumb is poll takes precedence over a stated vote that wasn't actually cast?

o danm vote rej

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:21 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form

Those two fifties have completely opposite meanings

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Sarcastic interpretation = "I suspect you because you're trying too hard to act like you don't care."
Not-Sarcastic interpretation = "You must not be scum."

50-50 has no meaning. The answer I received here was a full paragraph of nothing, no opinion, no substance. Like I'm listening to a presidential speech.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form

Those two fifties have completely opposite meanings

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:26 am meh, i would have believed that if you hadn't answered the question yourself in your post.

what

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:17 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

and if it is, what does that tell you?

and if it isn't, what does that tell you?

I will answer after I receive an answer

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:17 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:09 pm I was just lamenting that Sloonei wasn't in this game when I saw him viewing it

<3

Why are you voting for mac?

Token participation and prodding. The 'if you had a gun' rubbed me the wrong way. Like, ooh, here's the questions that town people ask. Let's ask it.

The question doesn't make much of anything at this stage of the game. Might as well be calling for D1 POEs, and we all know how I feel about THAT. Right, JJJ?