The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:45 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:43 pm Sorry about the vote. I saw that DDL was going to be stuck in the lead no matter what I did, so I decided to make sure it went through without any shenanigans.

I'm stupid that way.

But it looks like nobody got lynched. Bring on the nightkills on our side or whatever. I give the least information with my flip and am the most townfirmed. I'm sure scum are salivating.

I don't understand why you are making this assumption.

Nobody got lynched? Bring on the Night kills on our side or whatever?

Come on.

How about this?

We get lynches and Night kills. They get lynches and Night kills.

Which lynch results and Night kill results we get may be subject to role operations and not host mechanics.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:28 am _____A Tragic Loyalist - If you are lynched, all townies will be roleblocked the following night.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:56 pm ok I just posted something real thoughtful but my browser crashed so please just pretend you were persuaded by me and vote ddl instead thank u

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:45 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:43 pm Quin, that was a pretty precise memory for phone. I just looked up the roles and I had to read them twice to be sure that what you said was correct.

And you are not voting for me off of a role that sounds horrendously bad, but you recall that vague nuance from two roles that were revealed days ago, and think it has enough bearing to make a make a difference in whether or not we vote for Nutella?

I dunno about that, Quin.

Will you stop exclusively pursuing townfirms? For reeeeaaaal

Maybe if you stop calling people that in this ridiculous no info set up, I will

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:43 pm Quin, that was a pretty precise memory for phone. I just looked up the roles and I had to read them twice to be sure that what you said was correct.

And you are not voting for me off of a role that sounds horrendously bad, but you recall that vague nuance from two roles that were revealed days ago, and think it has enough bearing to make a make a difference in whether or not we vote for Nutella?

I dunno about that, Quin.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:07 pm Yall trippin' nutella's gonna blow tf up

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:02 pm linki @ Chuck I changed my mind, I can't even hit myself over the head enough. I just don't buy it. That mysterious info drop, where did that even come from? I know I won't get anyone to vote for someone who is guaranteed to flip civ, but I think what I think. I think you were LC's teammate. But I have to accept it and decided who else I think is bad.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:34 pm You die twice in the game tho so he died once but is still alive for number 2?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:33 pm

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:49 am S~V~S:

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:11 pm
Day 5 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:

96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.

It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in[/center]

Long Con's second role says "upon death."

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:44 am

Speedchuck's role and affiliation has been revealed. He is:

You are TOWN. You will win if all anti-town factions are eliminated.

You are 59: The Moon (Elemental). Each night, you will PM one element to the hosts (Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust) and one player to be targeted for any effect the element may have. If the Sun is in the game, they will also choose one element out of Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust. When you and the Sun are both in the game, your element choices will combine to form one effect. Each combined effect may only be triggered once. The Sun's target will get the benefit of any positive effect, while your target will suffer any negative effect. You may not choose the same element or the same target on consecutive days. You will not be informed of the effects of your elements.

He is still alive. Carry on.

This post indicates that speedchuck is still alive (and this is speedchuck's second role). If this was the work of LC, speedchuck would be dead, no?

I think you are just playing semantics here, now THIS reminds me of the Epi of yore! But as I said, I don't expect this to pick up much traction, tbh. I will vote for him now and then, and gloat my freaking face off when he winds up bad at games end. Or slink into a corner and die of embarrassment if he doesn't. But I think he will. That whole aggressive defense of LC combined with LC's role flip, and the mysterious appearance of his role in the thread? I don't buy it.

In any case, I have to pick a vote. I was thinking of C Bob but not sure why others are voting for him?

It's not that I don't have an open mind. Long Con's role says "upon death," and the host explicitly said speedchuck is still alive. That, to my mind, contradicts the notion that LC fiddled with speedchuck's role, because speedchuck didn't die.

The post the host made in the thread at the direction of a player, you mean?

I am never gonna get any of you to lynch Chuck, much less the merged thread. Hell, if they have more people than us, I will be lynched ASAP once they hear about my role, if they have not already. If they have, first thing they will say is, "Why haven't you lynched SVS??". I am toast ha ha. Again, not sure why I got that role, it was pretty much a death sentence.

So I expect that Chuck will win this game and I won't, and am OK with that. I just want it on the record how I feel about this.

None of this helps me make my mind up about today.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:03 am Chuck, you don't have to hit me over the head twice (although how fast you dropped Dom, in conjunction with LC's role, ugh, maybe I just hate being wrong) After your aggressive defense of LC, however, I am not sure I trust your gut. I feel the opposite of how Epi feels about me, about DDL. I think his posts sound bad, but there is that Mr Freeze thing; like DH said, why would a baddie stop his own kill? Unless they knew his role might be revealed, or some portion of it? The #32 hint was so vague I had to beat people up to look at it ha ha

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:48 pm I will vote for him now and then, and gloat my freaking face off when he winds up bad at games end. Or slink into a corner and die of embarrassment if he doesn't. But I think he will. That whole aggressive defense of LC combined with LC's role flip, and the mysterious appearance of his role in the thread? I don't buy it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:40 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:02 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:55 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:23 pm And yeah Cbob seems like the reasonable choice here, his original role and all. It would’ve definitely garnered him suspicion if he WASNT Lynched on day 6 and he wouldn’t be able to tell us cause yknow info dumping. Yeah I’ll go this route for today [VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

Why does this make me mafia?

I'm so confused.

You’re most likely given the choice of players I’m presented

That's not even remotely an answer to my question.

I could just not vote anyone. Will that satiate you?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:30 pm 4.5 hours to go. 5/10 votes on the board. Smh

I won't complain if DDL gets lynched today, but it's not going to give us anything tangible, and Epi made good points about the balance.

More voters would be nice. Preferably on Cbob, unless someone has good reason to throw out my POE.

Color me shocked.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:02 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:33 am But if DDL isn't bad with LC, I don't have good reason to suspect him.

Do you believe a mafia team had, at one point, a role that could dish out -2s to teammates while sitting at -2 himself AND a role that could have a vote worth either +4 or -4?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:00 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:46 pm Epi what do you think of my analysis post regarding the D2 tie?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:43 am The infamous D2 TIE!!!!

Here we go:

Here are a couple of before and after polls, placing LC's vote as being worth 2 (-2)
The minus 2 assumes that Quin is town. If Quin is scum, LC's vote was worth 2. If Quin is town, his vote was worth 0. Thus, 2 (with an optional -2 addition).

What actually happened:

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 5 or 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

What LC saw if he isn't scum with DDL:

DDL - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 7 or 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

I'm assuming DDL did not put -2 points on me, as scum or town.

. . .

Been staring at these polls for ten minutes. Some observations:

1. If Quin was scum with LC, and his vote was worth 2, LC changed the tide of the lynch. LC did so in a dangerous way, one that revealed that vote manipulations were taking place. He was also the most suspect vote in this case. That's a blow to LC/Quin.

2. If DDL was scum with LC, and Quin was town, then LC would have known what was most likely happening. He also would have seen that the guy with 4 votes (me) getting lynched over the guy with 6 votes (DDL) would have been very incriminating. So he might have vote hopped to avoid suspicion. His vote was probably worth zero anyway, and he might as well make the result look more legitimate. Also, the more he votes for townies, the more -1s he has to his vote. This would help explain how DDL avoided lynching the following day as well. LC is trying to make his vote into a train nullifier.

3. If neither are scum with LC, then LC's vote is most likely worth zero in his eyes. He may have switched his vote at the end to find out, just in case there are other scumteams. That's the only reason I can think of.


It's a difficult puzzle, but I'd say of these three, result 2 is most likely, followed by result 3. Much as I was just suspecting Quin, I don't think LC would have tried to change the tide of the lynch for no reason. LC/Quin is disproven in my book.

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Also, the Nutella lynch on the following day:
DDL (-2 votes) - Epi, cbob, speedchuck, nutella, DH, LC = 4
nutella - Dom, DDL, SVS = 3

If Quin and I are both town, LC's vote was worth -1, two less than normal. If Quin is scum, it's worth 1. Soooo Quin is basically townfirmed. I don't know why we argued with this earlier. Quin and speechuck1 are both townfirms.

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Talk to me about all of this please.

Also [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

linkis: Yeah DDL is totes bad guys

The stuff in red- why does DDL have five votes and not three in the second?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:43 am The infamous D2 TIE!!!!

Here we go:

Here are a couple of before and after polls, placing LC's vote as being worth 2 (-2)
The minus 2 assumes that Quin is town. If Quin is scum, LC's vote was worth 2. If Quin is town, his vote was worth 0. Thus, 2 (with an optional -2 addition).

What actually happened:

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 5 or 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

What LC saw if he isn't scum with DDL:

DDL - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 7 or 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

I'm assuming DDL did not put -2 points on me, as scum or town.

. . .

Been staring at these polls for ten minutes. Some observations:

1. If Quin was scum with LC, and his vote was worth 2, LC changed the tide of the lynch. LC did so in a dangerous way, one that revealed that vote manipulations were taking place. He was also the most suspect vote in this case. That's a blow to LC/Quin.

2. If DDL was scum with LC, and Quin was town, then LC would have known what was most likely happening. He also would have seen that the guy with 4 votes (me) getting lynched over the guy with 6 votes (DDL) would have been very incriminating. So he might have vote hopped to avoid suspicion. His vote was probably worth zero anyway, and he might as well make the result look more legitimate. Also, the more he votes for townies, the more -1s he has to his vote. This would help explain how DDL avoided lynching the following day as well. LC is trying to make his vote into a train nullifier.

3. If neither are scum with LC, then LC's vote is most likely worth zero in his eyes. He may have switched his vote at the end to find out, just in case there are other scumteams. That's the only reason I can think of.


It's a difficult puzzle, but I'd say of these three, result 2 is most likely, followed by result 3. Much as I was just suspecting Quin, I don't think LC would have tried to change the tide of the lynch for no reason. LC/Quin is disproven in my book.

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Also, the Nutella lynch on the following day:
DDL (-2 votes) - Epi, cbob, speedchuck, nutella, DH, LC = 4
nutella - Dom, DDL, SVS = 3

If Quin and I are both town, LC's vote was worth -1, two less than normal. If Quin is scum, it's worth 1. Soooo Quin is basically townfirmed. I don't know why we argued with this earlier. Quin and speechuck1 are both townfirms.

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Talk to me about all of this please.

Also [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

linkis: Yeah DDL is totes bad guys

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:22 pm Regarding Quin being town:

Anything could have happened to result in the nutella lynch. Any kind of vote manipulations that could subtract 4 from the leading train. DDL was part of it, we know that. He took away two votes of the required four.
Long Con was on the DDL train. If his vote was worth -1 instead of 1, everything makes sense.
Sure, his vote could have been worth 1, with Quin being scum. And maybe another voter just happened to pop in and lower that vote by two somehow, though I would find it obscene. Those two things could have happened.

But I've been handed a concrete, role-based explanation for an outlandish lynch result on a silver platter. In any other game, we'd be screaming "HOW THE HECK DID THAT HAPPEN?" In this game, we have an explanation for the unlikely event. I'll look no further unless given reason.

It's like if you suddenly received a million dollars in your account. Then a rich dude contacts you and says that he did it, and shows you his bank receipt as proof. But you can't be SURE it was him, because the bank might have blocked the transfer and someone else might have done it. So you don't thank him.
That's what ignoring Quin's semi-townfirm status would be like.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:10 pm And I know Chuck "cleared" Quin, but I still have my doubts. Especially coming from Chuck, whose role does things he doesn't know what they are, lol. I still think no one can be cleared under the circumstances of this game.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:03 am Chuck, you don't have to hit me over the head twice (although how fast you dropped Dom, in conjunction with LC's role, ugh, maybe I just hate being wrong) After your aggressive defense of LC, however, I am not sure I trust your gut. I feel the opposite of how Epi feels about me, about DDL. I think his posts sound bad, but there is that Mr Freeze thing; like DH said, why would a baddie stop his own kill? Unless they knew his role might be revealed, or some portion of it? The #32 hint was so vague I had to beat people up to look at it ha ha

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:44 pm Do the people helping her think she is civ?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:23 pm Had a feeling this would happen.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:36 pm In all fairness Cbob you would have probably felt a little shitty if you didn't get to use that awesome role ability. Right?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:16 pm Who else was ready to jump on you?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:07 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:49 am I ISO'd Quin, and I don't like his Long Con content. Lots of distancing, lots of scumreading LC without it gaining traction, lots of credit-taking and reminding people that he scumread LC before the slip.

Not to mention that Quin's activity has fallen off the past couple of days, both in post count and in content.

I'm not going to quote everything, but read the most recent page of his ISO.

I don't either.
I also don't like yours.
Justify.