Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Epignosis]

it's only function

Golden kill me please. I'm tired.

[Epignosis]

I have no reason to believe colonialbob is good.

[Epignosis]

I can't consider S~V~S good at all. I'm a donkey.

[Epignosis]

S~V~S is in the maybe pile.

I need to sleep.

[Epignosis]

This is a superfluous post.

[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

That leaves me with DDL, nutella, and Dom, and I'm bored with voting for Dom.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

The thing is I'm now stuck between voting for nutella and Dom.

I could add S~V~S to this.

If her role was a civilian role, as she claims, then her ideal use of it would be baiting mafia to vote for her. That isn't the perspective she took. She was relieved that nobody voted for her:

So I was just relieved. I made it to Night 7 without even one vote. You have no idea how stressful this was. And how worried I was about how people would react to it. I was town before and I am town now.

On the other hand:

# 58
Alias: The Asymptomatic Carrier
Source: The Asian Flu Pandemic came to an end in 1958, after claiming over two million lives worldwide
Member Of: Evil Evens
Power Type: Passive Ability
Role Description: You are infected with a deadly strain of influenza but aren’t hurt by it. Every person you vote for will become infected. You will also infect every player who targets you with a day or night power. Anyone you infect will, in turn, infect anyone they vote for and any player using a night or day power on them. Once 2/3 of all players have become infected, one player will die each day. Two day phases after #58 dies, the virus will stop spreading but infected players will still be at risk of dying until the infection rate drops below 50%.

S~V~S had a real role from CC123. For that reason, it might make sense that she believed DDL to have the Mr. Freeze role, which lends credibility to her perspective (which, to be frank, I found out of whack, since we obviously don't all have roles from CC123 even though we have numbers).

I am inclined to find S~V~S's posts more genuine than I suspect her previous role.

And speaking of her role: A ten percent chance, despite how distraught S~V~S says she was about taking any votes, is not that great. I can believe the role is a civilian role. If it is a civilian role, it's only function is to potentially punish people for voting a civilian. If it is a mafia role, then it punishes civilians for doing what they are supposed to do: Vote out mafia.

Nah.

I'm going to keep S~V~S in the good pile for now.

Epi, tell me, how do you bait baddies to vote for you with surgical precision without picking up a few civvies as collateral damage?

There are more civvies than baddies, and how do I bait one over the other without knowing who they are? We are at Day 7 and we lynched one baddie for sure (although given it took two days). On Day 1 I thought Sprit was bad, I no longer think that. So had I managed to induce Sprit to vote for me (which the RR would have done; I was amazed anyone went with that) what actually would have happened is I got a civvie with the virus.

If there are two bad teams, baddies want to lynch baddies. But If there is only one bad team, they want to make blendy votes and lynch civvies on civvie led trains. In either case, "enticing" baddie votes would still prolly net me a few civvies. I am one of those people who believes better to let a few guilty people go than to punish the innocent. I did not want to residually infect any of the innocents, so I went out of my way to infect nobody. Since, you know, I have no idea who the baddies were any more than anyone else did.

You were tired here and I hope you got some sleep

But if you want to vote for me, feel free, I am OK with it now

I am kind of resting a bit becasue I expect to have to defend myself hard when we merge becasue of that reveal, and I would not be surprised to get lynched. Not sure why our host gave me this role lol, but it is what it is (Golden ).

I was quiet alot of yesterday (hopefully Refrigerator cuts me some slack tomorrow) becasue it was nice to not have to aggressively civ. But also that role reveal for Chuck confuzzled me, and I needed to think, not talk. And I thought about it alot. And you know what? I am not sure I believe it. Becasue when I was discussing my own reveal, I realized that when I had asked the host if people who I gave the virus to were cured when I died, Golden said, "No", they still have the virus after I die.

So if the effects of MY role last after I die, why not LC's role?

I cannot get over how aggressively Chuck defended LC, and how rapidly he dropped Dom from his radar once LC was dead. LC had up to an hour before the lynch to change his target iirc. I think once they realized Dom was not going to get lynched (and Chuck tried super very hard to make that happen) they changed their target to Chuck, and made him look civ.

I know the maths can be manipulated when there are too many unknown variables. And Chuck trying so damn hard to "civfirm" himself in that way sets off alarms for me.

I feel that one of either Chuck or DH is bad in wake of LCs lynch (DH being all "I lynched LC" when he got mad at me for not giving LC enough of a chance to defend himself, lol, come on DH). But after rereading both of them and that lynch, I still think it was Chuck. I think DH would have bussed him earlier and more aggressively (not his literal vote, but his posts). And if the team was LC & DH, and Chuck really IS a civ, then DH would especially sit back and let him take the flak, and he didn't.

I don't expect to get a lot of people on board for this, since Chuck is gonna flip civ, but I don't want to just jump on the DDL train when I am conflicted on him. I really think the Mr Freeze thing fits too well to be a coincidence, and stopping all night actions generally favors the civs. That #32, that chilly night post.

So gonna do it my way and toss that aubergine at Chuck, *Vote Speedchuck*; I think that role reveal is bogus.

Anyone who said I was tunneling earlier in the game, you were wrong, THIS is tunnelling. And I am OK with it.

For everyone else, where I stand. I think Chuck was LC's teammate. If there is a second team I am not sure who it would be. If the second kill is an SK not a team, then they are on the other side, since only one kill happened here, and it was an even kill, me, on Night 6, so it was LC's teammate. He has a teammate in here.

Bob, no idea. The role has no connotation, and tbh, as I have said, I don't think much can be gleaned from a first role about affiliation, especially a passive one. I will say that when I said I thought he was quiet yesterday at 2:10, I did not tag him or quote him , and he popped in at 2:20 just to reply to me. Something or nothing? That pushed him down the meter a tad.

DDL I get the case on him, but I love the Mr Freeze hypothesis too much to vote for him.

DH DH always makes me wary, but I also work harder than I would for most to be totally sure before I suspect him. There were moments during the LC lynch. Even though I think this set up and the mechanics kind of defy and almost exclude normal WIFOM meta type stuff, I still can't see a universe with DH, LC and Chuck on a team, and both DH and Chuck defend LC as hard as they did (yes DH, I know you lynched him etc., but you did defend him a lot, too). I read that lynch over and over, and I still think it was Chuck, not DH. But I could be wrong, and if that role reveal is actually true, then

Dom, I read him as civ. I read him as civ when he's a psychotic serial killer, too. Enough said. 50/50

Epi, it took me some time to get his new style, but I think he's civ.

Nutella, I don't particularly feel she is reading civ, but when I contrast her bad game in Mass Effect to this, it is very different. I am not seeing opportunism, and she lashes out a bit, which I think she would do in chat if she had a chat. So BOTD here. She is the Anti-Dom for me; in one game she was literally Mother Theresa and I read her as bad. So 50/50

Quin, I have a role in mind for him. I go back and forth on him. I think Chucks "townfirm" maybe tainted him in my mind, but without that in light of what I think his role is, I feel better about him than worse. Not unlike DDL. So 50/50 here as well.

Sprityo I think he is civ.

SVS she is that well known townie reformed poisoner

[S~V~S]

Crap Chuck is not on the poll.

I will vote later, I spent all that time thinking and posting and making myself late for work ha ha ha ha (maniacal laughter)

[S~V~S]

Does anyone have a list of people off the poll? I know it was LC one night. Who else?

[Dom]

good ideas to think
about. but we have no way of
confirming it all

I'm not concerned with confirming anything. We have to throw ideas around and go with what we think is best. Sitting around waiting for confirmation means the mafia can dictate what happens in the thread. I'm not about that.

We had no confirmation that Long Con was lying about conversing with the hosts, so apparently you aren't about that either.

Yes that's what I meant.
Thank you for your thoughtful tort.
D could be good 1st

Then inherit evil.
Why are you ignoring that?
Sigh. Dismissive Epi.

[Dom]

I vote [VOTE: DDL] aubergine
I do not know how around
I will be later

[Quin]

That leaves me with DDL, nutella, and Dom, and I'm bored with voting for Dom.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

The thing is I'm now stuck between voting for nutella and Dom.

I could add S~V~S to this.

If her role was a civilian role, as she claims, then her ideal use of it would be baiting mafia to vote for her. That isn't the perspective she took. She was relieved that nobody voted for her:

So I was just relieved. I made it to Night 7 without even one vote. You have no idea how stressful this was. And how worried I was about how people would react to it. I was town before and I am town now.

On the other hand:

# 58
Alias: The Asymptomatic Carrier
Source: The Asian Flu Pandemic came to an end in 1958, after claiming over two million lives worldwide
Member Of: Evil Evens
Power Type: Passive Ability
Role Description: You are infected with a deadly strain of influenza but aren’t hurt by it. Every person you vote for will become infected. You will also infect every player who targets you with a day or night power. Anyone you infect will, in turn, infect anyone they vote for and any player using a night or day power on them. Once 2/3 of all players have become infected, one player will die each day. Two day phases after #58 dies, the virus will stop spreading but infected players will still be at risk of dying until the infection rate drops below 50%.

S~V~S had a real role from CC123. For that reason, it might make sense that she believed DDL to have the Mr. Freeze role, which lends credibility to her perspective (which, to be frank, I found out of whack, since we obviously don't all have roles from CC123 even though we have numbers).

I am inclined to find S~V~S's posts more genuine than I suspect her previous role.

And speaking of her role: A ten percent chance, despite how distraught S~V~S says she was about taking any votes, is not that great. I can believe the role is a civilian role. If it is a civilian role, it's only function is to potentially punish people for voting a civilian. If it is a mafia role, then it punishes civilians for doing what they are supposed to do: Vote out mafia.

Nah.

I'm going to keep S~V~S in the good pile for now.

Disagree that this makes SVS more likely good than bad. A mafia role is supposed to punish civilians.

I think you have a perspective that the civilians are the "heroes" in mafia.

[Quin]

That ^ makes me feel good things about Epi as well.

[Epignosis]

good ideas to think
about. but we have no way of
confirming it all

I'm not concerned with confirming anything. We have to throw ideas around and go with what we think is best. Sitting around waiting for confirmation means the mafia can dictate what happens in the thread. I'm not about that.

We had no confirmation that Long Con was lying about conversing with the hosts, so apparently you aren't about that either.

Yes that's what I meant.
Thank you for your thoughtful tort.
D could be good 1st

Then inherit evil.
Why are you ignoring that?
Sigh. Dismissive Epi.

I gave a solid reason why DDL's second role is a civilian role. Your entire reason for voting DDL is "But DDL could be bad now."

I don't know how you could read my Henry Fonda post and say that I'm dismissive and ignoring the possibility that DDL's second role could be a bad one.

[Epignosis]

S~V~S:

Day 5 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:

96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.

It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in[/center]

Long Con's second role says "upon death."

Speedchuck's role and affiliation has been revealed. He is:

You are TOWN. You will win if all anti-town factions are eliminated.

You are 59: The Moon (Elemental). Each night, you will PM one element to the hosts (Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust) and one player to be targeted for any effect the element may have. If the Sun is in the game, they will also choose one element out of Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust. When you and the Sun are both in the game, your element choices will combine to form one effect. Each combined effect may only be triggered once. The Sun's target will get the benefit of any positive effect, while your target will suffer any negative effect. You may not choose the same element or the same target on consecutive days. You will not be informed of the effects of your elements.

He is still alive. Carry on.

This post indicates that speedchuck is still alive (and this is speedchuck's second role). If this was the work of LC, speedchuck would be dead, no?

[Dom]

good ideas to think
about. but we have no way of
confirming it all

I'm not concerned with confirming anything. We have to throw ideas around and go with what we think is best. Sitting around waiting for confirmation means the mafia can dictate what happens in the thread. I'm not about that.

We had no confirmation that Long Con was lying about conversing with the hosts, so apparently you aren't about that either.

Yes that's what I meant.
Thank you for your thoughtful tort.
D could be good 1st

Then inherit evil.
Why are you ignoring that?
Sigh. Dismissive Epi.

I gave a solid reason why DDL's second role is a civilian role. Your entire reason for voting DDL is "But DDL could be bad now."

I don't know how you could read my Henry Fonda post and say that I'm dismissive and ignoring the possibility that DDL's second role could be a bad one.

Then I am confused.
I'm not sure I understand
Your reasons on him.

[Epignosis]

good ideas to think
about. but we have no way of
confirming it all

I'm not concerned with confirming anything. We have to throw ideas around and go with what we think is best. Sitting around waiting for confirmation means the mafia can dictate what happens in the thread. I'm not about that.

We had no confirmation that Long Con was lying about conversing with the hosts, so apparently you aren't about that either.

Yes that's what I meant.
Thank you for your thoughtful tort.
D could be good 1st

Then inherit evil.
Why are you ignoring that?
Sigh. Dismissive Epi.

I gave a solid reason why DDL's second role is a civilian role. Your entire reason for voting DDL is "But DDL could be bad now."

I don't know how you could read my Henry Fonda post and say that I'm dismissive and ignoring the possibility that DDL's second role could be a bad one.

Then I am confused.
I'm not sure I understand
Your reasons on him.

If DDL is bad, I doubt he could be bad with LC (that would be an overpowered mafia in my opinion).
Therefore, for DDL to be bad, he must be on a different team.
LC's team was named the Evil Evens, and LC's ultimate role number was 96.
I therefore take this to mean that the other mafia team is named the Obnoxious Odds.
DDL's role number is 32, which is not odd.

For DDL to be bad, you would have to believe one or more of the following things:

1. DDL and LC are teammates and that the one mafia had two powerful vote manipulators (thereby great crippling the civilian's most powerful tool- the lynch poll).
2. There is no Obnoxious Odds mafia team.
3. A mafia member's second role number does not have to correspond with the numerical descriptor of the team name.
4. DDL's role number is not actually 32.

[speedchuck]

But if DDL isn't bad with LC, I don't have good reason to suspect him.

[Epignosis]

But if DDL isn't bad with LC, I don't have good reason to suspect him.

Do you believe a mafia team had, at one point, a role that could dish out -2s to teammates while sitting at -2 himself AND a role that could have a vote worth either +4 or -4?

[speedchuck]

But if DDL isn't bad with LC, I don't have good reason to suspect him.

Do you believe a mafia team had, at one point, a role that could dish out -2s to teammates while sitting at -2 himself AND a role that could have a vote worth either +4 or -4?

Depends on what town has. But I have to agree. The role was the biggest reason I thought LC was town originally. That's a freaking powerful mafia role.

[Epignosis]

If you are voting for DDL, then in the very least you should state which of the below you believe and why:

For DDL to be bad, you would have to believe one or more of the following things:

1. DDL and LC are teammates and that the one mafia had two powerful vote manipulators (thereby great crippling the civilian's most powerful tool- the lynch poll).
2. There is no Obnoxious Odds mafia team.
3. A mafia member's second role number does not have to correspond with the numerical descriptor of the team name.
4. DDL's role number is not actually 32.

[speedchuck]

I'm going to [VOTE: Colonialbob] aubergine.

Epi, I could believe number 2 on that list of yours. But the problem is number one. I suspect DDL mostly for interactions with LC, and so for game balance reasons, I'll hold off for now.
Don't think I'm writing off the idea, in a role madness game. LC's role in particular is hard to use, and I don't know how powerful town roles are. But Occam's razor, looking at DDL's roleblock role, his role number, and his role in relation to LC's role, it points to him being indy or town.

[speedchuck]

5.5 hours to go.

Cbob has been coasting all game on his invincibility. His role does nothing but punish people for lynching him, in a way that is completely outside his control and cannot be aimed at scum. If he gets lynched and the role does target someone, it serves no purpose but to waste time that could be spent hunting. A distraction.

I know that first-roles are supposed to be ambiguous in alignment. But it's the way that cbob used his role that I do not like. And I want to look at him while we have time.

[speedchuck]

colonialbob - coaaasssstiiiinggg

Dragon D Luffy - unlikely to be scum because of Epi POE

Dharmahelper - One of DH and Dom are the haiku-dude. I'll admit, I feel like I should have reason to scumread DH, but I'm not feeling it. His resistance of the LC lynch (more a willingness to consider other possibilities) is a good look IMO, because LC was getting lynched no matter what. DH was looking past the lynch, and considering what his townflip would mean.

dom - One of DH and Dom are the haiku-dude. Dom is not scum with LC. Revealing LC's role was powerful, and resulted in a couple of near-townfirms. Dom brought LC's slip to our attention, and was the main driver.

Epignosis - I townread Epi for working with POE to eliminate myself, DDL, and others from the running. He seems genuinely focused on gamesolving.

nutella - Nutella's partner was killed early. Why would scum handicap themselves?

Quin - mathematically town (shut up)

speedchuck - confirmed town

sprityo - cecil palmer, prolly town IMO

S~V~S - good tone all game, used her first role in a towny way, has tried not to look suspicious despite the infections that could result. She has no reason to try so hard, especially with a possible vote-manip scumbuddy to save her early if she gets too many votes. Good opportunity to kill all of the people, wasted. Also got nightkilled.

Some of these ignore 'multiple scumteams' and 'alignment changes'. Nothing is firm in this game. But I think this is a pretty good POE list, and I'm voting Cbob.

[Epignosis]

5.5 hours to go.

Cbob has been coasting all game on his invincibility. His role does nothing but punish people for lynching him, in a way that is completely outside his control and cannot be aimed at scum. If he gets lynched and the role does target someone, it serves no purpose but to waste time that could be spent hunting. A distraction.

I know that first-roles are supposed to be ambiguous in alignment. But it's the way that cbob used his role that I do not like. And I want to look at him while we have time.

I don't know why people felt compelled to vote for him. I did it for a lark, but moved just in case there was something else in play. People voting him knowing that he was going to take the lynch just felt like some needless self-fulfilling prophecy.

[speedchuck]

4.5 hours to go. 5/10 votes on the board. Smh

I won't complain if DDL gets lynched today, but it's not going to give us anything tangible, and Epi made good points about the balance.

More voters would be nice. Preferably on Cbob, unless someone has good reason to throw out my POE.

[DharmaHelper]

4.5 hours to go. 5/10 votes on the board. Smh

I won't complain if DDL gets lynched today, but it's not going to give us anything tangible, and Epi made good points about the balance.

More voters would be nice. Preferably on Cbob, unless someone has good reason to throw out my POE.

Color me shocked.

[speedchuck]

4.5 hours to go. 5/10 votes on the board. Smh

I won't complain if DDL gets lynched today, but it's not going to give us anything tangible, and Epi made good points about the balance.

More voters would be nice. Preferably on Cbob, unless someone has good reason to throw out my POE.

Color me shocked.

But you're such a lovely state of green.

What do you think of Epi's points on DDL or my POE list?

[DharmaHelper]

4.5 hours to go. 5/10 votes on the board. Smh

I won't complain if DDL gets lynched today, but it's not going to give us anything tangible, and Epi made good points about the balance.

More voters would be nice. Preferably on Cbob, unless someone has good reason to throw out my POE.

Color me shocked.

But you're such a lovely state of green.

What do you think of Epi's points on DDL or my POE list?

I think Epi assumes way too much in his points. I think your POE list has some good points but makes some assumptions I don't jive with as well. I could be swayed to a Cbob vote based on it, but I'm not 100% on board with what you've put out.

[Epignosis]

colonialbob - I have no reason to consider him a civilian.

DDL - I find it highly unlikely he is mafia if my premises are correct. Given the lack of drive I'm noticing, I would not rule out an independent role.

DH - Nothing from his posts looks fishy or phony to me. His interactions with others have been swift and made with a seeming disregard for any connections with others he may inadvertently be forging. His struggle regarding LC's story was similar to my own thought process. I would vote for DH only if presented with highly compelling reasons, of which I have seen none as yet.

Dom - I don't believe Dom is LC's teammate, but I believe there are two teams, and I don't have a strong reason to exclude him from the other. Dom remains therefore a secondary suspect. He is spouting poetry though, so I wouldn't be voting for him today even if he was a prime one.

Epignosis - I am eligible to run for President in six months.

nutella - Most of nutella's posts Day 6 and Day 7 have either been about her challenges or empty. I have no reason to consider her a civilian.

Quin - I still haven't fully wrapped my head around the math because every time I start to look at it something else arrests my attention. I am willing to believe speedchuck is convinced Quin is not mafia, and for today that's good enough for me.

speedchuck - The only way he is bad is if the hosts gave us untrue details, and I have no reason to believe they did.

sprityo - Ron Burgundy. The only way he is bad is if the mafia have a broadcaster, and traditionally, broadcasters are civilians. I would appreciate meatier content in the write-ups.

S~V~S- What I said about DH (minus the LC business) applies here. Her first role is neither here nor there for me. If she is bad now, that is scenario that will have to be judged on its own, but not today.

My vote is either going to colonialbob or nutella.

[Epignosis]

4.5 hours to go. 5/10 votes on the board. Smh

I won't complain if DDL gets lynched today, but it's not going to give us anything tangible, and Epi made good points about the balance.

More voters would be nice. Preferably on Cbob, unless someone has good reason to throw out my POE.

Color me shocked.

But you're such a lovely state of green.

What do you think of Epi's points on DDL or my POE list?

I think Epi assumes way too much in his points. I think your POE list has some good points but makes some assumptions I don't jive with as well. I could be swayed to a Cbob vote based on it, but I'm not 100% on board with what you've put out.

What am I assuming that you would disagree with?

[colonialbob]

5.5 hours to go.

Cbob has been coasting all game on his invincibility. His role does nothing but punish people for lynching him, in a way that is completely outside his control and cannot be aimed at scum. If he gets lynched and the role does target someone, it serves no purpose but to waste time that could be spent hunting. A distraction.

I know that first-roles are supposed to be ambiguous in alignment. But it's the way that cbob used his role that I do not like. And I want to look at him while we have time.

The way that I used my role? What exactly could I do besides hinting several times not to vote for me? I can't info dump, so I treated my role basically as letting me live until day 6 and then I'd go from there. But then people lazy-voted for me instead of actually hunting, and now I'm mafia? Please, do explain that leap of logic.

[DharmaHelper]

If you are voting for DDL, then in the very least you should state which of the below you believe and why:

For DDL to be bad, you would have to believe one or more of the following things:

1. DDL and LC are teammates and that the one mafia had two powerful vote manipulators (thereby great crippling the civilian's most powerful tool- the lynch poll).
2. There is no Obnoxious Odds mafia team.
3. A mafia member's second role number does not have to correspond with the numerical descriptor of the team name.
4. DDL's role number is not actually 32.

Point 1 is OK I guess, if you're dead set on them being teammates and there not having been any fuckery with how the roles were revealed/flipped.
Point 2 assumes the team names follow the Odd/Even thing when according to LC for example the Tribe names are "Pikachu" and "Cerberus" two completely different things...
Point 3, I mean... I don't see any reason why the role #'s would have to correspond unless the team names were Odd/Even, but that assumes that the team names are Odd/Even *and* that as a result, the role numbers are all either odd or even.
Point 4, DDL's role number could be 32 or we could have been given fake information. Moriarty (Me) spent a whole game fucking with people and giving them fake information that was successful in making a whole town turn on Lizzy and lynch her. Not my *strongest* disagreement here, but not your strongest point either.

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[colonialbob]

Also again I'm into endgame on FE so the majority of my attention is there. Sorry.

I've put my vote down twice on somebody I found suspicious and it doesn't seem anybody really wants to tall about DH, and I don't have the attention, energy, or time to make a big push on him.

[sprityo]

Admittedly I’m slacking hard lately. So far I really only have the people I definitely don’t want to lynch, being:

Epi
Dom
SVS
speedchuck


Epi’snpoint about role numbers and how DDL more than likely isn’t mafia is convincing enough for me not to vote for him, and then I don’t have anything to say against DH besides that I don’t like him for some odd reason this game. Nutella is cursed so I’m not gonna bother

Quin....something something math. “I’m basically confirmed” I’m not gonna believe it until I go check myself

And yeah Cbob seems like the reasonable choice here, his original role and all. It would’ve definitely garnered him suspicion if he WASNT Lynched on day 6 and he wouldn’t be able to tell us cause yknow info dumping. Yeah I’ll go this route for today [VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

[colonialbob]

And yeah Cbob seems like the reasonable choice here, his original role and all. It would’ve definitely garnered him suspicion if he WASNT Lynched on day 6 and he wouldn’t be able to tell us cause yknow info dumping. Yeah I’ll go this route for today [VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

Why does this make me mafia?

I'm so confused.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[sprityo]

And yeah Cbob seems like the reasonable choice here, his original role and all. It would’ve definitely garnered him suspicion if he WASNT Lynched on day 6 and he wouldn’t be able to tell us cause yknow info dumping. Yeah I’ll go this route for today [VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

Why does this make me mafia?

I'm so confused.

You’re most likely given the choice of players I’m presented

[colonialbob]

And yeah Cbob seems like the reasonable choice here, his original role and all. It would’ve definitely garnered him suspicion if he WASNT Lynched on day 6 and he wouldn’t be able to tell us cause yknow info dumping. Yeah I’ll go this route for today [VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

Why does this make me mafia?

I'm so confused.

You’re most likely given the choice of players I’m presented

That's not even remotely an answer to my question.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sure. First role prob was
not bad by your logic. Solid.
Alignment could change?

I'm the one person in this game whose alignment is impossible to change.

Because I got changed into my second role without dieing.

Unless the hosts actually admit the possibility of an alignment change without death but that could fuck with the mechanics. Not sure.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't think the first role's number is relevant to what team a bad guy is on.

Why?

Because there is evidence to suggest that it isn't. LC's first role was odd. His ultimate role was even.

If role numbers don't mean anything, then why do we have DDL's role number? Is it a red herring?

I was under the impression someone used an ability on me that forces my number to be revealed.

[sprityo]

And yeah Cbob seems like the reasonable choice here, his original role and all. It would’ve definitely garnered him suspicion if he WASNT Lynched on day 6 and he wouldn’t be able to tell us cause yknow info dumping. Yeah I’ll go this route for today [VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

Why does this make me mafia?

I'm so confused.

You’re most likely given the choice of players I’m presented

That's not even remotely an answer to my question.

I could just not vote anyone. Will that satiate you?

[speedchuck]

And yeah Cbob seems like the reasonable choice here, his original role and all. It would’ve definitely garnered him suspicion if he WASNT Lynched on day 6 and he wouldn’t be able to tell us cause yknow info dumping. Yeah I’ll go this route for today [VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

Why does this make me mafia?

I'm so confused.

You’re most likely given the choice of players I’m presented

That's not even remotely an answer to my question.

I could just not vote anyone. Will that satiate you?

It'd earn a policy lynch by my standards.

[Quin]

Heading out shortly, but I voted [VOTE: DDL] aubergine.

[S~V~S]

S~V~S:

Day 5 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:

96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.

It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in[/center]

Long Con's second role says "upon death."

Speedchuck's role and affiliation has been revealed. He is:

You are TOWN. You will win if all anti-town factions are eliminated.

You are 59: The Moon (Elemental). Each night, you will PM one element to the hosts (Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust) and one player to be targeted for any effect the element may have. If the Sun is in the game, they will also choose one element out of Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust. When you and the Sun are both in the game, your element choices will combine to form one effect. Each combined effect may only be triggered once. The Sun's target will get the benefit of any positive effect, while your target will suffer any negative effect. You may not choose the same element or the same target on consecutive days. You will not be informed of the effects of your elements.

He is still alive. Carry on.

This post indicates that speedchuck is still alive (and this is speedchuck's second role). If this was the work of LC, speedchuck would be dead, no?

I think you are just playing semantics here, now THIS reminds me of the Epi of yore! But as I said, I don't expect this to pick up much traction, tbh. I will vote for him now and then, and gloat my freaking face off when he winds up bad at games end. Or slink into a corner and die of embarrassment if he doesn't. But I think he will. That whole aggressive defense of LC combined with LC's role flip, and the mysterious appearance of his role in the thread? I don't buy it.

In any case, I have to pick a vote. I was thinking of C Bob but not sure why others are voting for him?

[S~V~S]

That ^ makes me feel good things about Epi as well.

I agree it makes me feel good things about him, too. But I still think he was tired and needed to get some rest.

I don't want to vote for DDL, who should I vote for, Quin?

[Quin]

That ^ makes me feel good things about Epi as well.

I agree it makes me feel good things about him, too. But I still think he was tired and needed to get some rest.

I don't want to vote for DDL, who should I vote for, Quin?

Somebody you suspect, I would hope.

[Quin]

I also agree with Epi on the forger thing.

[colonialbob]

And yeah Cbob seems like the reasonable choice here, his original role and all. It would’ve definitely garnered him suspicion if he WASNT Lynched on day 6 and he wouldn’t be able to tell us cause yknow info dumping. Yeah I’ll go this route for today [VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

Why does this make me mafia?

I'm so confused.

You’re most likely given the choice of players I’m presented

That's not even remotely an answer to my question.

I could just not vote anyone. Will that satiate you?

No.

I don't care that you're voting for me. I care that I don't see your reasoning, it looks like you're just following speedchuck.

Our conversation:
Sprit: "Cbob is probably bad, given his first role."
Cbob: "why does my first role make me bad?"
Sprit: "because you're most likely to be bad."

[speedchuck]

Chuck, you don't have to hit me over the head twice (although how fast you dropped Dom, in conjunction with LC's role, ugh, maybe I just hate being wrong) After your aggressive defense of LC, however, I am not sure I trust your gut. I feel the opposite of how Epi feels about me, about DDL. I think his posts sound bad, but there is that Mr Freeze thing; like DH said, why would a baddie stop his own kill? Unless they knew his role might be revealed, or some portion of it? The #32 hint was so vague I had to beat people up to look at it ha ha

I will vote for him now and then, and gloat my freaking face off when he winds up bad at games end. Or slink into a corner and die of embarrassment if he doesn't. But I think he will. That whole aggressive defense of LC combined with LC's role flip, and the mysterious appearance of his role in the thread? I don't buy it.

How many times do I need to hit you over the head then? 3? 10? 100?

[colonialbob]

I also would still like speedchuck to explain what he meant by "how cbob used his role"