The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 10:24 am I'm not sure if this is something that can really be solved by policy. My gripe was more with culture than policy, tbh. A lot of the time I just want to make a vote earlier then forget about the game, but people will often think that is "scummy" or "inactive". I wish we treated a 24 hour game as that: a 24 hour game. Not real time. Which means you can play at any moment of those 24 hours, depending on when you are available. If you want real time, play a burglary.

Sometimes I wonder if unchangeable votes weren't a good thing.

I think you mean 'were'.

The idea that 'inactive' (not being around for phase end) is scummy does need to die, I agree.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:45 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:03 am But at the same time I don’t think there’s a scenario in which I would want to ask people not to actively play the game when they’re able to do so. If you’re online and you have something to say, say it. I’m just wondering if there’s a way we can reach a more balanced environment where players don’t feel like they’re being left behind if they miss out on a particular window of action.

Majority hammer lynches make it where day phase can end at any time. Might help?

But doesn't that mean the host has to be here all the time since we don't have an automated way to handle it? Maybe I'm confused.

Most places I've played rules it by the honor system. Once a player casts the required vote, the players stop posting and wait. With the polls, it's even easier, because a player can just take a screenshot of the poll for proof.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:03 am But at the same time I don’t think there’s a scenario in which I would want to ask people not to actively play the game when they’re able to do so. If you’re online and you have something to say, say it. I’m just wondering if there’s a way we can reach a more balanced environment where players don’t feel like they’re being left behind if they miss out on a particular window of action.

Majority hammer lynches make it where day phase can end at any time. Might help?

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:59 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:47 pm I suggested role claiming in my first game to Long Con in a civ BTSC and I will never forget him telling me that was poor form. I felt very silly. And I soon learned to play in that tradition of mafia and enjoy it. Then I had to unlearn it when we started mingling with the larger mafia community, lol.

Is this the fabled "new way of playing mafia" that everyone keeps talking about?

Speed, back in my day, <insert granny smilie here> if you got info, you would try to build a case against someone, even knowing you’d probably get killed. It was the difference between leading a horse to water vs. dumping a bucket of water over the horses head. I think I will like the new way if I stick around long enough, I’m going to give it my best.
Building cases was fun, but it took longer. The new way is much faster.

The 'old way' seems to have its perks. After all, Dunya played a great game. For her to lose due to night targeting strategy might seem unfair and poor sporting. I get that.
But I've always played the new way. That's why I like setting up games where claiming has hard trade-offs. (which this game definitely did.) But yeah, that's interesting.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:47 pm I suggested role claiming in my first game to Long Con in a civ BTSC and I will never forget him telling me that was poor form. I felt very silly. And I soon learned to play in that tradition of mafia and enjoy it. Then I had to unlearn it when we started mingling with the larger mafia community, lol.

Is this the fabled "new way of playing mafia" that everyone keeps talking about?

Me in private chat: dont we think a doc is a bit ridiculous with a jail keeper and bodyguard?

Yeah probably.

*does nothing*

Gg though, had me tinfoiling too much to be helpful

Dunya: I dont like being mafia
Dunya: I wish I was killed already
Speed: vote dunya
Dunya and daisy: wtf

Would have made it too, if Daisy hadn't ganged up on me to save dunya

Not that I blame her

I was right the whole time. Gotta believe in myself.

Cool. Whew.

Y'all better figure things out (and there better only be two scum)

Kites wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:00 pm this is a last minute bullshit wiggle out of lynch attempt dont buy it

He's not wrong, partly. But he don't have the motive down.

60 seconds, Luna better not vote

Dunya is always wrong about me except when I'm actually scum

I enjoyed getting townread for highposting way back when.

But anyway, fun game guys. GL.

Get your lie detect Luna

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:58 pm this is dumb. I'm so tempted to vote kites

Don't you frweking dare

I'm staying on kites.

Rainbow list:

Long Con - action
dunya - actions
juliets - actions and role
Elochin - actions
Spacedaisy - role anda little action
Lunalee - role and tone
Kites - ???

Eloh hasn't used her role.

She hasn't.

It might have been useful and she would have guidance with scum partners. I've TRIED not using a role as scum before, my teammates took over and used it for me.

Wait no daisy came with me.

Once again I have to make a decision

If I let myself get lynched people can figure it out. Maybe.

uughh

linki: I NO LONGER HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION!

Basically I need to determine if I think Eloh is definitely scum. If she is and I break the tie, all is good. If she's not bad and I take that chance, that's game. I'll get mislynched tomorrow.

I've focused on roles for like two weeks eight years and don't really know how to read without them. Voting Juliets or Luna or Daisy would go against my very being.

This game is an existential crisis for me.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:49 pm Giving Eloh a chance is probably better than letting me live.

My role does me no such favors.

Kites may be scum, and then I'd have no idea afterward. Juliets is my tinfoil right now because screw this setup.

I can't believe you would think that.

You will in ten minutes unless I can think of a change to do. [VOTE: Kites] aubergine

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:50 pm Speed, eleven minutes left, who should I vote for if not you?

I have no idea.

I'm a rolespec night action guy and this game is a nightmare.

It might make Luna predict the same thing two nights in a row. There won't even be 7 players tomorrow.

Giving Eloh a chance is probably better than letting me live.

My role does me no such favors.

Kites may be scum, and then I'd have no idea afterward. Juliets is my tinfoil right now because screw this setup.

Based on a priority: ACTIONS, ROLES, NOTHING:

Long Con
dunya
Elochin
Spacedaisy
juliets
Lunalee
speedchuck
Kites

linki: Luna's role isn't a night action?

Would Eloh refuse to use her role as mafia?

Would she even NEED to use it? Is it useful?

Actually Eloh's claim comes with a 90%ish verifiable controller action.

Has Kites claimed? Just curious.

ROLE clears are near worthless in this game.

Juliets is a stump that activates differently if killed. Mafia probably wouldn't be killed. Not a foolproof claim.
Daisy reveals roles publicly. Not good for mafia in a normal game, helps verify claims. In this game? Not a foolproof claim.
Luna has a conditional Lie Detector. She SHOULD get it tonight. Not a foolproof claim, but we can use that tomorrow.

LC killed off Jack, practically. Good enough.
Dunya has no counterclaim for stopping the N2 kill. Good enough.

No idea what Kites is.
Eloh was... gotta check

linki: so no proof of dunya doc. Dang.

dunya - N2 ACTION clear
Elochin - ???
juliets - ROLE clear
Kites - ???
Long Con - cop ACTION clear
Lunalee - ROLE clear
Spacedaisy - ROLE clear
speedchuck - ROLE is not really super helpful for mechanical claims so whatever.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:37 pm My role failed N3. Nova jailkept me (I won't say PROTECTED) on N3.

Okay, I was about to rescind your townlock if that was N2.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:30 pm Apparently some words are 'too common' to search for. Horsecrap.

I recall Dunya saying she knew what happened night 2. Why there was no kill.

She said she knew Nova must have jailkept her, so she assumed she had been targeted. She explained that she knew her role failed, so it couldn’t have been her action.

Was that Night 2?

Is Dunya hardcore defending Eloh because Eloh was the kill target?

Or something?

Did I miss something there?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:27 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:26 pm Didn't we have another doc in the game? reywas' role? Though it was limited, he had to put his life up for a protection.

We also had Jack

lol

Her role explains why she so vehemently opposed his claim.

I didn't even recall that.

I have less than half an hour and I'm wasting it on role speculation. It all makes no sense.

The question is: Is there a plausible circumstance under which the N2 kill failed and dunya was able to take credit for it as scum?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:27 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:26 pm Didn't we have another doc in the game? reywas' role? Though it was limited, he had to put his life up for a protection.

We also had Jack

lol

lol. I guess both reywas and dunya's role could exist in the same faction.

What about Nova's?

Apparently some words are 'too common' to search for. Horsecrap.

I recall Dunya saying she knew what happened night 2. Why there was no kill.

I also hate the search function on this site. I need to find a post in the thread but hell if I'll scour pages for it.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:26 pm Didn't we have another doc in the game? reywas' role? Though it was limited, he had to put his life up for a protection.

We also had Jack

lol

This setup is brilliant. I utterly despise it.

I read everything dunya posted and it all seemed perfectly scummy to me.

But I just saw the doc claim.

Daisy flipped on me quite hard. Wow.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:11 pm speedchuckMove your vote or I will be certain this is the right lynch.

I don't mind talking but I dislike being threatened.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:41 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:38 pm You know what, I am going to switch my vote back to dunya.

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

Also dunya gave us permission to hot potator her

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:02 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:53 pm Okay, I can't read all of this...no time. I am the Do it Again role. I don't see how claiming this helps me, but there it is. I have not used it at all this game b/c I have felt it would not help the civs.

I don't believe this.

this is a role crafted by your husband. you played the game because he wanted you to. I don't believe you would just not use the role he spent time creating.

I believe it 100%

speedchuck
Long Con
Spacedaisy
juliets

Lunalee
Kites
dunya
Elochin

This is sort of my POE. I don't know what to do with it.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:53 pm Okay, I can't read all of this...no time. I am the Do it Again role. I don't see how claiming this helps me, but there it is. I have not used it at all this game b/c I have felt it would not help the civs.

It's true, I haven't seen anyone claim to be affected by this...

I thought that was a bit odd.