The Syndicate

Russ with the hard carry. Wow!

I did due diligence distancing during my death day, and hung in there for a good while considering my IRL circumstances. But that don't hold a candle to Russ's performance. Nail-biting final four, and man, I saw the no-lynch at the end and wondered how Sloonei was going to handle another 3 days of indecision.

Unfortunately, I haven't been here enough to do what I wanted to do today. I have my suspicions, and I have posts you can all read in this topic. Posts that some of you read before flopping on me.

5PM EOD sucks. If I die I die. I hope you guys make an informed decision.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:46 pm 3 town on the speedchuck wagon atm. Sloonei is alone on a Russ wagon

Only because I forgot to vote.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:21 pm he'd have had to bus nutella when no one was really looking at her with the result of her being vigged.

No one looking at her? I'm pretty certain she was in several scumread lists before Sloonei sat on her.

[VOTE: Russtifinko] aubergine

In every world where Sloonei and I are town, Russ is scum.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:37 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:05 pm Pondering the ponderable...

Is Sloonei truly cleared? His claim followed on the tails of MP's claim. Sloonei claims to have targeted the exact same two people in the exact same order as MP. There's no way to verify this claim because Sloonei claims to be able to benefit from his power. According to his claim, his intended targets couldn't be reached. No one has received a benefit, so no one can technically confirm Sloonei's claim.

Based on everything you've seen out of Sloonei in this game aside from his claim, are you willing to proceed with the game clearing him as a lock-civ?

It's a difference of a POE of five or a POE of four.

I'll post vote stuff in the morning.
I made a post preempting this exact tinfoil.
link.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:46 pm The context may not be entirely clear there.

My role allows me to target a player and provide them with some sort of bonus. I'm keeping it intentionally vague out of an abundance of caution. No need to tell anyone what my role may or may not be capable of. I have every reason to expect that the player would be made aware of the effects of my role. I targeted Russ on Night 1 and dunya on Night 2, as I've said. But as is now confirmed, MP's role prevented me from successfully targeting either one of them:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 6:28 pm During each night phase, you may select a player. That player will be unable to perform any night actions and will also be immune to targeting from all night actions.
In this post, from Day 2, I was attempting to drop a hint to Russtifinko about the bonus he should have received from me targeting him when he was beginning to voice suspicion of me. I hope the hint is pretty obvious now that I'm pointing it out.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:53 pm And if you want to take it a step further and say that I could be Russ's partner and known that MP hit him with that role, I would have then also needed to have known the exact mechanics of MP's role, and I would also need to be dropping an inane clue ~72 hours in advance in anticipation that MP might claim someday and I might be able to use that claim to my ever so slight advantage. But then, I didn't even use the claim to my advantage. I used it to clear MP at a time when he was at least partially at risk of being lynched, although that threat had mostly died down by the time I was able to confirm him for myself. But that's dunya's fault for being in the wrong timezone.

But above all that: I caught nutella.

This isn't perfectly airtight, as Sloonei could have some other type of visiting role that was noticeably blocked by MP, and have made up this gifting gambit (especially since we have no evidence for it any of the nights). I'm not certain such wild gambits are a Sloonei thing to do as scum, especially with an already-claimed watcher in the game?

I had a dream that I was almost out of posts today. That doesn't mean it's going to happen.

What was Sloonei's mech clear again?

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 4:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:32 pm I don't believe both of these role claims.

I also don't believe TH/Dunya are aligned. If so, this is the greatest distancing game ever played.

Russ/TH.
Russ/dunya.

I was leaning Dunya before the role claims.
Now I'd be leaning TH, but that last appeal to Russti didn't feel like w/w.

I'd probably go with Dunya. Her widening of her POE feels the most agenda driven, especially in the face of claims.
So Russ is definitely mafia to you, but you'll go with dunya anyway. Doesn't make sense.

Talking about between Russ/TH and Russ/Dunya. Just didn't spell it out.

I don't believe both of these role claims.

I also don't believe TH/Dunya are aligned. If so, this is the greatest distancing game ever played.

Russ/TH.
Russ/dunya.

I was leaning Dunya before the role claims.
Now I'd be leaning TH, but that last appeal to Russti didn't feel like w/w.

I'd probably go with Dunya. Her widening of her POE feels the most agenda driven, especially in the face of claims.

Clanker, vanilla.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:51 pm i have a double vote. my vote counts as two. useful in mylo and lylo, although it's out in the open now.

If this is true, I don't think it would be a scum ability in this game. Especially if it's unconditional, and with the balance our host was talking about. Can't chance verifying it, obviously, but it's a good claim.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:18 pm please don't be too obvious in what i said was gonna happen, speedy. like, try to mask it a little bit even. you know, try to show us that you're actually reading other people too maybe. like you weighed it hard and decided im bad. it was a heavy decision on you, etc.

i always do final reads at night. not to be egoistical, but i'm often night killed cos i'm so good.

So this is a NO U, and then a different answer than I got last time. Okay.

I just got back to the thread and this was the first ping I picked up on. So I pursued it. I'm not trying to be theatrical or to look good, and I'm not done yet.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:03 pm @dunya I don't see a claim in your ISO. Wtf are you talking about.
why would i claim before i use my role, silly? i'll use it today tho. just gotta figure out who i suspect mostest and get input from my buds ddl and sloonei.

i should be like, isoing russ and th and you, but i really just dont feel like playing that way today atm so im not.

Then your reason for being all like 'Oh no the mafia might gonna kill me tonight, here are some final reads and directions' is complete bullshit.

[mention]dunya[/mention] I don't see a claim in your ISO. Wtf are you talking about.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 12:54 pm cos of my role. it has little purpose to be used in the early game, but now it has more purpose. so are you all caught up with the thread @speedchuck ?

Apparently not.

I'm Clanker btw.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 6:25 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 5:17 pm You watched as we battled going back and forth over speed and Jack.

When TH flips bad, there might be a stronger argument that speed is his teammate but pls don't ignore Russ. Please give him the full attention he deserves.
I wouldn't say that's true, yesterday I tried to get MP lynched and he pooped out little post pebbles until his butt was sore, and then he ran out of posts and roleclaimed.

I didn't really want to lynch either of speed or Jack, but I preferred a Jack lynch to a speed lynch, and I was at work for the last 7 hours of the lynch so I spoke my peace when I could.

The way you're attacking me here though dunya makes me uneasy. You seemed like you had your head on straight the first few phases and you've really sort of lost your cool and you seem very... insulated. Like you're not talking TO anyone anymore, you're talking AT us, if that makes sense. I'm not sure what's changed but it definitely makes me trust you less.

Idk if you're bad or not, but I am most certainly GOOD, so I need you to work with me if we have any hope of winning this for town.

Again let's consider that I'm GOOD, and you should surely view yourself as town as well. Where do we go from here? Who do we interrogate? If you're not bad, then it has to be Russti and speed right? DDL is cleared and Sloonei is all but cleared, though I will have to look back and remember exactly why he's cleared.

The small amount of players left makes me think you ARE bad dunya, but I don't want that to be true. However I still plan on doing my due diligence and see how you interacted with nutella as well as how you may have interacted with any other potential baddies that are left who are obviously not me. I plan on doing this for everyone else left alive too, so I'm not singling you out. We all deserve intense scrutiny, but we need to keep our heads on straight so we make the right call.

Playing devil's advocate here (referring to dunya talking AT you) her posts were directed at the thread in case she died to the nightkill...
Which actually makes no sense.
[mention]dunya[/mention] why did you think you would be nightkilled last night if you were in the POE?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 11:06 am Should we No Lynch and go to Lylo?

Only if we need more time. The POE likely wouldn't get narrowed by a single kill, since it's already narrowed down.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 9:38 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:18 pm @speedchuck can you give us something to work with like, a role claim even at this point. your character name? who do you suspect? why?
I can give both, if people want. But I don't think it's that helpful. I'll give more thoughts tomorrow unless I get vigged.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:23 pm Dunya seems to have lost her cool. She's acting a little manic, that's my shtick not hers :P

I'm not bad, and if I make it through the night I'll do everything I can to prove it.

Sorry Jack (and MP)
Same.
Uhhhhhh, what now??????? Is this a baddie slip?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, vigging me or copping me would help solve the game tomorrow. Otherwise I'm mislynch bait in MYLO. No scumteam is going to kill me tonight.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:18 pm @speedchuck can you give us something to work with like, a role claim even at this point. your character name? who do you suspect? why?

I can give both, if people want. But I don't think it's that helpful. I'll give more thoughts tomorrow unless I get vigged.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:23 pm Dunya seems to have lost her cool. She's acting a little manic, that's my shtick not hers :P

I'm not bad, and if I make it through the night I'll do everything I can to prove it.

Sorry Jack (and MP)

Same.

Dang.

And dang on the MP death. And that makes me bait for the MYLO mislynch.

I'll try to play my way out of this (should have a lot of time D4), but if someone can vig me or cop check my butt, that'd be great for the health of the game.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I've only skimmed the last page or so, but I feel pretty decent about this.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:32 pm There are literally 3 protagonists left in this town. One is probably G-Man, one is your friend the vig, and one is the character MP was supposed to claim if we were to believe him.

But now he's "silenced".

I don't feel like this matters? At least not for today's lynch. I don't see a reasonable lynch of MP after that claim.

Just skimming through Tony and Jack's ISOs (pre-nutella flip) I'd say they're pretty darn compatible. Tony's got some soft defenses of nutella after scumreading her when everyone else was, and nothing else. Jack's only nutella engagement (granted, he came into the game shortly before her death) was an accident where he thought he was quoting dunya.

I'm actually not sure what to think of that second one.

I'm not going to talk about the out-of-game reasons for not putting in as much content. Those things exist. That's all.

I should not have missed the votes. Missing votes is not something I do as either alignment.

[mention]dunya[/mention] I'm not seeing many similarities between this Jack and Pirate Jack, just in tone and feel. What do you see?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 5:07 pm i urge people to read pirates jack. it's similar to this game in how he replaced in as scum. i feel like i see the exact same person here and @speedchuck might be able to offer a little more insight on how he's reading jack this game since he was his scummate that game.

I hardly remember Pirates mafia, but I'll take a look at Jack.

My initial thoughts are that, based on what I remember reading of nutella this morning, Sloonei looks pretty good? And G-man maybe as well?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:11 pm Kind of a weird role for nanook to have. I wonder what kind of conclusion he was trying to get based on it.

He knew Sig was vanilla, alright. Did he think vanilla mafia was more likely to be bad?

You could argue it is because the host said he would make up for the setup being scumsided. But so far there have been a lot of vanilla town roles.

That said I'm expecting the mafia to be pretty weak. Maybe nutella was the only non-vanilla role in the mafia since she is the villain of the game. Then again this isn't a very powerful ability for it to be the only one, I guess.

Maybe he thought that, if his role had a purpose for town, that might be it. A pseudo-cop sort of thing. I'm pretty convinced he was wrong, with all the vanilla flips (and the non-vanilla scum flip).

In any case, we can move on from it now. Nanook and Sig both flipped, and their actions aren't going to tell us much. We can look for TMI there, and for nutella interactions.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:49 pm Are we thinking it was a SK or did Jimmy add a ?-shot civvie vig to balance his baddie-friendly game?

I can't imagine it being a SK. Why would an SK go for nutella?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 10:22 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 10:14 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:49 am Nanook is doubling down on the "I had suggestive mechanical information" card, which I STILL believe to have been fake from the start and Nanook's approach has felt suspicious to me. It doesn't look like pro-town fake-peeking (which can be a thing), it looks like malicious mafia fake-peeking, as in his intention from the start was only to get sig lynched and not, INSTEAD, to look for player reactions to his gambit, including the reaction of the hypothetical mafia (in a universe where Nanook is town), no he was JUST trying to get sig lynched, and the way he continues to double down on his ploy feels slimy as hell because he's still strategically sprinkling mentions of "info", info which I assume will never see the light of day, because it doesn't exist, because it can't exist, and yet even after sig's death, nanook mentions that he had it.

Fake and slimy. Nanook is bad.
Having just played with scum nanook, I feel like this is different behavior. He's kinda incensed about the way things turned out, slimy as he was in the whole interaction. If he were scum, he'd probably be openly laughing at us.

Maybe I'm missing some context though.
He kind of is openly disrespecting sig tho

Well.

When you put it like that, yeah. It just feels more irate than his scumgame, but that might be because he was more at the center of this.

I highlight randomly as I read things, so this new quote feature is hilariously inconvenient.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:49 am Nanook is doubling down on the "I had suggestive mechanical information" card, which I STILL believe to have been fake from the start and Nanook's approach has felt suspicious to me. It doesn't look like pro-town fake-peeking (which can be a thing), it looks like malicious mafia fake-peeking, as in his intention from the start was only to get sig lynched and not, INSTEAD, to look for player reactions to his gambit, including the reaction of the hypothetical mafia (in a universe where Nanook is town), no he was JUST trying to get sig lynched, and the way he continues to double down on his ploy feels slimy as hell because he's still strategically sprinkling mentions of "info", info which I assume will never see the light of day, because it doesn't exist, because it can't exist, and yet even after sig's death, nanook mentions that he had it.

Fake and slimy. Nanook is bad.

Having just played with scum nanook, I feel like this is different behavior. He's kinda incensed about the way things turned out, slimy as he was in the whole interaction. If he were scum, he'd probably be openly laughing at us.

Maybe I'm missing some context though.

I don't view TH's thing as TMI because I agree with the actual points they were making.

Easy to say that now, of course.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:35 pm DDL/Nanook/Nutella mafia? I think it's possible.

I don't see DDL and Nanook tag teaming each other like this if they're both mafia. It's too buddy-y.

Also hey EOD was about 3 hours earlier than I thought it was because I can't read.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:10 pm My goodness it's quiet here
Is everyone spectating champs?
Or are we just waiting a year
for sig to respond to nook's clamps?

(7)

I think he already has.
Responded, that is.
He made is clear as
anything he says

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 4:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 4:20 pm I mean I’m not “policy” TKing Sig, I just have info that makes me think he’s scum in a vacuum. If his claim clears that up convincingly, great, but without a claim it’s more likely than not scum.
We are not in a vacuum.
When you say more likely scum
Do you mean 80% or 51?
Because I look at what sig has done
Until he claims we functionally are.

Also even 51% would still be significantly >rand lol, assuming a 3/11 ratio is 23% at game start or 27% now.

>rand, yes.
>townread, though?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 4:20 pm I mean I’m not “policy” TKing Sig, I just have info that makes me think he’s scum in a vacuum. If his claim clears that up convincingly, great, but without a claim it’s more likely than not scum.

We are not in a vacuum.
When you say more likely scum
Do you mean 80% or 51?
Because I look at what sig has done

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:38 am i mean, if sig is mafia he's treated you the same way so maybe i AM wrong and the mafia team have all picked 1 person to tunnel the fuck out of in the thread

also hi speedchuck. what are your thoughts on anyone other than sig. top three "i feel bad about you" people?

Depends a lot on Sig's flip. I have an eye on TH, but if sig is bad, I have a hard time seeing them as a teammate. Same for nanook.

I've been skimming through D1 and I'm interested in the lynch results. If sig is mafia, mac could have been a save. if he's town, I really suspect the people who avoided both of those wagons and parked their vote somewhere useless.

So

TH, Nanook, and Sig are big ones to look at.
DDL, nutella, TSP, russ for sig-town, because possible TMI. (I'd have to read closer to see who)
Maybe Sloonei on the mac wagon if sig is scum?

That might seem a little inconclusive but I practically replaced into my own role D2, so. Busy weekend. My thoughts are a lot of places and I'm just spitballin.

Until Nanook or Sig provide more info I'm not voting for sig.

Unless sig starts doing scumread-worthy things, of course.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:53 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 11:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 11:34 pm That’s nice and all but I have what is pretty likely a red check on him, so.
I’m bored of this heavy implication
Just tell me why
You think that, in my situation
I should vote for this guy
He is obviously implying he used an investigation on Sig that gave him a guilty result.

Also explains where he got the extra jiggy from. I assume he only gets the jiggy if he hits a mafioso, or something like that.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

'PRETTY LIKELY' a red check.

What does that even mean?
Can we get a rough percentage?
This check is very lean.
Does it depend on Sig's role message?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:05 pm That’s cool, but I’m heavily implying I might have a red on him so you should probably support that

I don't like implications. Saying "sig I have red check please claim" would take less posts and seem less scummy.

That said I agree sig should claim now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:42 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:22 pm Seriously though @sig should claim
Why.
I’ll tell you after he claims

I believe he'd be well in his rights to refuse. I sure as hell would.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:22 pm Seriously though @sig should claim

Why.

Also mine would be hilarious because I've read pages 6 and 7. It would be a mad mishmash of sheeping and random impressions.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 12:23 pm I, for one, would love to participate in GTH. I could spreadsheet the results too if no one else wants to.

Seems like it would drain the post count if we do it the normal way.

sig wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:57 pm Really I don't see how anyone can read MPs post and not think mafia, I also know I'm not tunneling since I've tunneled before this is 100% rational behavior based off his reaction and my gut. Really what I think is happening is either 2 things.

1. MP isn't actually emotional at all he's using it as a tactic and is mafia
2. He's mad and it's bleeding Into his posts that I called him mafia, because he is and I'm right. This is more likely.

"I'm not tunnelling. Really there are only two possibilities. He's mafia or he's mafia."

I townread sig for this post but also find it hilarious.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:38 pm Playing the Joker here and switching my vote to sig. Do something other than gripe about MP. Otherwise it feels like distancing to me.

Let’s see how this changes the last 20 minutes of the phase.

Sig/MP feels nothing like distancing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:07 pm 14. Epi feels distinctly different in this game, but I'm not currently inclined to view that as a negative point. Reads have been pouring out of him more openly than I'm used to. It's a change that doesn't necessarily strike me as agenda-driven. Or maybe that's the point.

'not-negative'
'not necessarily agenda driven'
'maybe it's supposed to look good'

Do you have a read on Epi, or are those hedge brambles distracting you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:37 pm They're a pigeon pair of slanking wolves I think. They've both made just two posts. Speedchuck just put in a mighty effort in the other game, roles wolf here, can't muster up the energy to switch modes. G-Man just doesn't like playing Mafia, let alone being Mafia.

I'll speak to that when the other game is done. But don't expect coronachuck in this game, at least not till D2.

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