The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:22 pm Also all the plans involving perfectly predicted night actions.

*shrug* I still think the plan worked ok. It definitely made me suspicious of speed again. If I had agreed to lynch nutella or if we don't lose kenway the next night I think town pulls it off.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:19 pm BTW, I don't know what the protocol is, but I think Dunya deserves credit for this scum win as well.

I did decent enough, but if I had not inherited a supahtown role, I'd have probably kicked the bucket much, much earlier.

Fo sho. You definitely played well, don't get me wrong, but dunya set you up in a primo spot.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:10 pm BTW: I apologize to nobody. I was dead wrong about dunya, and I will accept the egg on my face for that.

Otherwise, I was mislynched for suspecting the rest of the mafia team.

By 6 townies and 0 mafia

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:01 pm I regret not pushing it harder but the crazy mechanics wouldn’t let me solidify it in lynch mind

Also you buttheads kept killing every logical person shame on you

I didn't realize you had a double vote either

Also shoutout to [mention]sprityo[/mention] And [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], y'all inspired me to try and supatown to the finish. Sorry I couldn't pull it off.

Congrats mafia! Sincerely, very well-played.

EBWOP Nielson, effing autocorrect

I let Leslie Nelson down

(FWIW I'm not super salty at nutella, sorry if it comes across that way)

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:30 pm Ahhh shit sorry guys I didn't come back in time for this plan. Work got busy and I just got a chance for a break and see the poll is closed and I was apparently supposed to change to speed. Ugh if we lose because of this I'mma feel so bad, sorry guys awful timing

Bravo, take your bow, well played.

Not at Sig specifically, just at the way I feel like this is going to play out.

(Ok admittedly a little at Sig

)

I'm about to be real grumpy.

[mention]sig[/mention] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like nutella is gonna swap her vote to her teammate

[mention]sig[/mention] If she doesn't swap by like 15 min before deadline please switch your vote to speed

sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:06 pm Okay reading back we've from at least day 9 stopped scum hunting and have entered this limbo of mechanics and night actions. In a game with so much shit not revealed from background stories to promotions this isn't the way to be playing at end game. The main player pushing this is Bob and its distracted from hunting and allowed RDW a civ to get lynched to reveal mafia which didn't even happen.

The question is though, is it more town sided or scum sided to focus on this? As mafia he'd have more knowledge and could potentially mess with plans. However, he does seem to be putting in a fair amount of thought, which seems town sided.

Bullshit. I was PoE-ing through mechanics. Not trying to toot my own horn too much but I was basically the only one trying to solve for good parts of the last couple day phases (basically since DDL got killed). If anything RDW was lynched because of hunting (I read him as mafia, his vote saving lapluie, etc), not because we were overly focused on mechanics.

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:57 pm dude if you’re town you would have voted for bob already cos you’d know that you’re town and he was the only person able to make the kill

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

This.

Obviously I could be wrong, I just think it's significantly more likely there's another explanation that Sig swapped sides.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:10 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:05 pm I simply don't believe there's a mafia who flips as Town.
Why do you adamantly disagree with this? It's not exactly an unheard-of role.

From what I know of Jack it doesn't seem like something he would put in his games.

(FWIW outside of specialized setups (e.g. undertakers) a mafia role that flips town totally breaks the game)

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:06 pm Okay so the down and dirty of my role was that I could win with either town or mafia as long as I didn't kill a mafia member at night. If I did I'd be moved from the red to the green on the main page. I also have a brother on the mafia team who can win with the civs as long as I stay alive. And any night actions I use on them will fail.

sooo if my brother is still alive just out yourself let us lynch you and we win the game.

SO while Kenway flipped town he must've been mafia since nothing else could've caused me to switch from teams.

How do you know your brother is mafia?

I simply don't believe there's a mafia who flips as Town. I think it's substantially more likely there's another reason Sig swapped to the green list - maybe mafia killed his brother?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:27 pm I misdirected kenway because he was openly planning with bob and I figured bob was going to try to target me again/I found their coordination kinda fishy and wanted to mess with it for my own safety

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] what is your promotion

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:12 pm For the record, as frustrated as I've been with Sig's lack of/choice of actions this game, I think he's town.

Even though he claimed to basically be independent?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:10 pm Cant chat much but bob trying to push mt lynch is kinda scummy

OMGUS

Also I'm not pushing your lynch, I'm leaving all options open and trying to solve. That process doesn't include just taking the word of somebody who killed a townie on a night town really didn't want a vig as gospel, sorry.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:11 pm I'm going to assume that everyone promoted by now.

cbob guided nutella, and this action was reversed by kenway (what does that even mean?)
Kenway reversed cbob?
nutella claimed to misdirect kenway

This weird 3-way catches my attention. Cbob (promoted merc) was supposed to affect nutella (promoted pegasus knight) with the help of Kenway (promoted Mage). But Nutella supposedly redirected Kenway.

Ignoring scum shenannigans, which of these actions had priority in this? What was the reverse supposed to do?
The only person who could clarify what happened aside from these two is dead. That makes the claims of targeting each other/Kenway convenient.

colonialbob, What were you hoping to accomplish with the help of Kenway?
nutella, Why redirect Kenway?

I was trying to block nutella.

"Fire - Each night, you may target another player and reverse their action. A nightkill will become a doctor, a guide will become a block, a track will become a reverse track, etc.
Promotes to Sage or Mage Knight"

I specifically checked with Jack to make sure the reversal would still affect my action if I used my bow. Bow should have priority over nutella's action:

"7) Bows are not weak or strong against other weapons but have a 100% chance to self guide against fliers. Bows allow players to retroactively effect actions of fliers that have already resolved. Example:

Spoiler: show

"

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:35 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:29 am Also "why claim the vig" I mean probably because all the roles are public?
No, I mean why claim the vig KILL? There are other ways that crit could have happened.

Kites or nutella, right? Except Kites is basically confirmed town, and he's screwed if he I blocked nutella, who I had targeted the previous night.

Also he's killing him in the writeup, so.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:14 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:54 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:42 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:23 am I'm voting speed or Sig today. I could buy sig's whole "I'm neutral and I accidentally killed my brother who's mafia except he flipped town but really he's mafia" as a mafia endgame gambit. His kill last night was decidedly town unfriendly. But overall I trust Kites and since I know I didn't kill Kenway it has to be speed.
Why? Why the heck would Sig gambit that?

1. He's been saying it all game.
2. He's not under suspicion as much as you, me, or nutella.
3. It's not even a good lie.
He's been saying he's neutral all game?

He would have been after killing a townie. I don't care if he thought kenway was mafia or night, a vig last night is an anti-town play, period.

I mean, people are believing it, so if it is a lie it seems to be a good one?
Why gambit, then? Why even claim the vig in the first place?

I don't understand what you think Sig's goals are. If he's scum, why hasn't he been vigging on any other days? 2 scumkills would have ended this game like a week ago.

Trying to lay low? Getting caught up in the power web and failing?

It's not my primary read, but it's still a scenario that makes some sense.

Also "why claim the vig" I mean probably because all the roles are public?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:42 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:23 am I'm voting speed or Sig today. I could buy sig's whole "I'm neutral and I accidentally killed my brother who's mafia except he flipped town but really he's mafia" as a mafia endgame gambit. His kill last night was decidedly town unfriendly. But overall I trust Kites and since I know I didn't kill Kenway it has to be speed.
Why? Why the heck would Sig gambit that?

1. He's been saying it all game.
2. He's not under suspicion as much as you, me, or nutella.
3. It's not even a good lie.

He's been saying he's neutral all game?

He would have been after killing a townie. I don't care if he thought kenway was mafia or night, a vig last night is an anti-town play, period.

I mean, people are believing it, so if it is a lie it seems to be a good one?

I'm voting speed or Sig today. I could buy sig's whole "I'm neutral and I accidentally killed my brother who's mafia except he flipped town but really he's mafia" as a mafia endgame gambit. His kill last night was decidedly town unfriendly. But overall I trust Kites and since I know I didn't kill Kenway it has to be speed.

PS I can't have killed Kenway, he targeted me. Vote speed.

I used my guide last night on nutella, with the understanding that Kenway reversed it.

Since Kites targeted Kyle, and I know I'm not mafia...

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:14 am In case i die tonight.

Nutella, speed, and kites are on my short list of scum. In that order. Rdw flip makes me think speed is slightly better.

If all else fails look at kenway

Kites is lock town imo

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:25 pm just realized my only possible targets are speedchuck and kites. neither of which are players I want to reverse 0:

Why not speed?

Is kenway gonna target me or not? Would be nice to know...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:17 pm oh. cus horses??????

Yeah

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:32 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:20 pm okay. controversial idea??? we have 7 living players. and 3 players capable of blocks or pseudo blocks.

wouldn't it be technically possible to just.... cancel all nights for the rest of the game if everyone who can block blocked a person who can't block other than kites who is probably civ??????
Can you target me tonight pls

Wait no it has to be kenway

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:20 pm okay. controversial idea??? we have 7 living players. and 3 players capable of blocks or pseudo blocks.

wouldn't it be technically possible to just.... cancel all nights for the rest of the game if everyone who can block blocked a person who can't block other than kites who is probably civ??????

Can you target me tonight pls

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:23 pm since we now know rdw was civ, the mafia didn't actually need to do anything other than kill gwilikers to obscure the results.

*nod*

But also Epi was killed through sprityo's protection, meaning either Sig or nutella killed him, or Kenway/nutella/myself interfered with sprit's protection (technically Kyle could've too, but then why not just kill Epi the night he was confirmed as town?)

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:43 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:05 pm
Kites wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:48 pm sig i don’t think you’re bad really, maybe it’s because your kill count is so low, anyways I don’t feel like lynching you

and yes i’ve wanted to lynch nutella for a while, i think she’s pinky

and i think ring is a horse rider, so it’s bob or kenway

but i need to think about this because i’m not sure about speedchuck either
Why do you think ring is a horse rider? Are you referring to flavor text or mechanics?
This
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:32 am
Kites wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:31 pm anyways I didn’t allow fliers to target sprityo so nutella and sig didn’t do that if i wasnt misdirected
I am a doctor. I protected spirityo. So barring shenanigans only a horseman could have performed the kill.
But I forgot kenway targeted bob, meaning no one could have made the kill if kenway is telling the truth

so... either kenway is lying and he killed sprityo and his team mate is unknown
or kenway didn’t target bob and bob did the kill

or everyone was telling the truth and mafia had one member (nutella) to misdirect one of the protectors and the other to do the kill. in this case bob isn’t able to misdirect

gwilikers was misdirected by nutella - anyone could have killed sprityo except sig

kites was misdirected by nutella - not possible. nutella said she did it but it isn’t possible (i think it’s a lie, which is always suspicious)

kenway was misdirected by nutella - bob killed sprityo

yeah so I’m looking at 3 names now, kenway, bob and nutella

So our options are:
Me/Kenway (kenway doesn't actually target me)
Me/nutella (nutella MDs kenway)
Kenway/Sig (kenway kills)
Kenway/nutella (kenway kills)
Kenway/Kyle (kenway kills *or* he targets gwil and Kyle kills)
Kenway/Speed (kenway kills)
Nutella/Kyle (nutella MDs gwil, kyle kills *or* Kyle targets Kites, nutella kills)
Nutella/speed (nutella MDs gwil, speed kills)

Does that look correct?

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:48 pm sig i don’t think you’re bad really, maybe it’s because your kill count is so low, anyways I don’t feel like lynching you

and yes i’ve wanted to lynch nutella for a while, i think she’s pinky

and i think ring is a horse rider, so it’s bob or kenway

but i need to think about this because i’m not sure about speedchuck either

Why do you think ring is a horse rider? Are you referring to flavor text or mechanics?

Sigh.

Ok, this does narrow stuff down though. Sig, kyle, speed, nutella. 2/4.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:57 am Has anyone looked baxk over the draft phase and see who gave mafia their roles and who rhey gave roles to?

I suspedt given the distancing we saw the mafia didn't gove each other anything and have played a very independent minded game and that this was a tactical choice

Quin gave lapluie her role (or vice versa, I can't remember). ID was the last person to be given a role (Colin got the leftover role).

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:18 am
Kites wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:32 am misdirections and additional kills would be the most useful for mafia yeah? nutella or sig
okay doctoring is useful for protecting a team mate (kyle)
bob can mess with MD and block
kenway has a vig and indirect way to kill, tricky to actually land a kill

or think the other way around
speedchuck, rdw and kites’ powers are the most useless for mafia

Vote steal is a great power for mafia. We know they had one thief already.

As far as I'm concerned you're lock town.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:58 pm I'm good with rdw. there's the most to learn from his lynch I think.... and also hope.

Cool, then I'm going to bed. We can come up with crazy plan part 2 tomorrow after we see the reveal.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:46 pm maybe sig?????? idk. like you said... knife edges and all that

I prefer RDW, for the reasons I laid out a few posts ago. If you really want Sig I'm willing to switch.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:38 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:33 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:31 pm and it's basically impossible for both nut and sig to be mafia together right? cus of kites' target on gwil
No that's possible, Kites targeted you I believe
oh :\

The plan was not foolproof.

I was gonna say we could swap but if speed stole a vote idk if that's true. Or wait he copped last night right?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:31 pm and it's basically impossible for both nut and sig to be mafia together right? cus of kites' target on gwil

No that's possible, Kites targeted you I believe

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:20 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:19 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:17 pm is it possible that the last two bad boys are sig and rdw?
Are you even reading my summary posts I put a lot of effort into them
lol yes i'm reading them.

i know it's logistically possible based on last night's litmus test, i just mean like.... could that really be it?

Arguably, yes!

I think it could be anyway. I've tried a few times to tease out more insights from votes/ISOs but I can't get anywhere with votes and interaction reads aren't my specialty. Plus there's like a million posts.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:17 pm is it possible that the last two bad boys are sig and rdw?

Are you even reading my summary posts I put a lot of effort into them

Join us speed

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:50 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:43 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:39 pm i think i agree with your rundown. rdw does seem like the most informative lynch all things being equal

it feels like we're on a tightrope rn.
The town is poised upon the edge of a knife - stray but a little, and it will fail.
really fucking ominous but okay

It was a LotR quote

[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:39 pm i think i agree with your rundown. rdw does seem like the most informative lynch all things being equal

it feels like we're on a tightrope rn.

The town is poised upon the edge of a knife - stray but a little, and it will fail.

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