The Syndicate

er. slightly better

we actually would have the end result of day 3 was only slightly worse than the other potential option of "vote tied between tsp and char"

shoulda hammered myself and we would have won

ok not sure if LC had two votes

The only person who's truly cleared in my mind is Marmot, it's easy to imagine Speed or LC missing an opportunity to win, especially given that it was 3/2 char speed and 3/2 char LC at various points in the last few minutes. Everyone who wasn't marmot had at least 2 votes on them in the last 5 minutes

Like examine the interactions between me and Char and try to come to that conclusion. Yes, from mechanics, it appears that Speed,LC,Marmot can't be wolves but that neglects that EOD was insane and it's possible that any of the players who made the votes that they did were unaware of other options.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:37 am Reading over Tony's last posts and looking at votes... I think he still be scum.

First, the votes:

Chardonnay - 3 Voters: speedchuck, TonyStarkPrime, Long Con
TSP - 2 Voters: Marmot, chardonnay

If TSP is town, then myself or LC could have easily won if we were scum by just throwing a vote on him. We were there, and it wasn't that chaotic or one-sided.
That leaves Marmot and, of course, TSP. TSP couldn't have switched like LC and I could, or it'd be too obvious who both scum are. And Marmot stayed on TSP. Ergo, scum is between TSP and Marmot. That I'm sure of.

Then, after narrowing it down, we can look at posts. Marmot's... aren't bad. But he DID have the chance to hammer TSP, and didn't, so that's good. And his opposition to the Chard wagon even when it would be less dangerous to bus char looked pretty good. The 'Char isn't even here!' argument is almost a so-bad-it's-good sort of thing. It's too blatant to be a teammate defense, maybe. And his waffling between me and tsp looks genuinely uncertain I think.

Tony's posts look more like a built-up bus as he realized what was going on. He was quick to link me in with a Char/Speed callout (I recognize that Marmot did something similar, but given that he was completely wrong and less pushy about it it feels less calculated.) Combined with his earlier resignation and his constant pushing toward the easiest target (My relative absence from this game combined with Marmot's refusal to hammer TSP earlier makes me an EZ clap) I think pushed him over the top. Then there's the fake 'Is the game over yet?' stuff. One post of that is okay, maybe, depending. TSP posted that sentiment more than once, in an 'IDK if the game is over or not guys' kinda move.

This may be kinda obvious to everyone but obvious cases are the best kind. If anyone but TSP was the other scum, the game would be over (LC/Speed switch or marmot hammer). GG scumteam if I'm right, scum deserves the win if I'm wrong, and where tf are the bastard mechanics?
Solid. This is the way.

no bad

no one's claiming victory so

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:02 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:01 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:00 pm I should've just shut up
why?
I just meant bringing up the points about chard and you. If I hadn't this chaos wouldn't have ensued

then you would have chopped me and the game would have ended :P

we should technically all shut up now but there are open nights

@nanook is the game ongoing

speed chard speed chard

speed bad

speed doesn't care about the chop

cmon guys

vote: chard

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:57 pm [VOTE: chard] aubergine

hm sure

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:55 pm no don't vote for me
[VOTE: chuck] aubergine

but whyyyyyyyyyy

because I am town and would like to win ideally

remove your vote before speed catches up

bad marmot

no don't vote for me

chard/speed

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:22 pm Those are their Day 1 and 2 interactions (or at least from chard's side). Especially those first four:

"Im not interested in LC atm b/c he adores living in PoE as both alignments."

"Also LC i need to look at."

"Ill lookit LC tomorrow."

"LC is an outlier i havent really thought about yet.

TSP and chuck, I see you're both here. Thoughts on this?

My initial thought was more sorta "chard knows LC's alignment and doens't have to put thought in. I discussed this in the moment, it's why I thought Chard/Speed was more likely. But yeah maybe this position works too.

if we're gonna actually consider chard/lc I should remove my vote

chard is still optimal but if the votes aren't there the votes aren't there

ok so we assume lc is town for whatever reasons.

so marmot's town.

Well to half of you

I'm slightly resigned at this point but I think it would be a good idea if we didn't chop me

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:59 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:43 pm there's barely even any justification for it. it's just "I think the poe is tsp/speed but I'll vote for Made too"
It was under an hour left and nobody else was budging, so what?

I also already mentioned it was part of my role flavor which is why I hammered.

Forgive me for finding the latter part a weak defense.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:54 pm ok so discounting LC/speed, if Speed is a wolf him and his partner both try to vote for me and win the game. didn't adequately consider lc/speed.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:00 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:25 pm it's a derpclear in the sense that if he thought it was 3 and were a wolf he would have acted on it, no?
What do you mean? What would he have done if it's 3?
Answer my question @TonyStarkPrime.

I did

LC should think about it if he’s still around

Anyways this is why I don’t need to worry about Speed/Marmot

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:28 am I mean Marmot couldn't have counted on Made egging him on happening. For all he knew Made was going to start Ob!towning before/after then vote.

Nothing really stands out to me as it being Marmot and Speed together this game.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

if no hammer then I can mechanically rule out speedXmarmot, and confirm scum within TonyXLC. IF hammer then GG, and apologies for the missplay.

Finally

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:08 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:07 pm @Marmot hammer me coward!!!

Let my blood drench the guilty and awaken fire in the eyes of the people
K

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

meant to quote this one

there's barely even any justification for it. it's just "I think the poe is tsp/speed but I'll vote for Made too"

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:07 pm @Marmot hammer me coward!!!

Let my blood drench the guilty and awaken fire in the eyes of the people

voteparking on a teammate and then doing this sorta quenches any sort of towncred you might get from that :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:12 pm Esooa (3): TSP, made, Chuck
Marmot (3): Chardonnay, Mac, LC
TSP (2): martin, marmot
Chuck (1): esooa

@Esooa has died, and flips...town!

If you have night actions get them to me, d2 will start somewhere around 24 hours from now ish. Possibly sooner.

@chardonnay
@Long Con
@MacDougall
@Made
@Marmot
@MartinGG99
@speedchuck
@TonyStarkPrime

Posts caps for the night are these +40:

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LC/Marmot probably doesn't work.

Marmot is sorta a wildcard. Maybe it can be speed marmot

I don't have to bother to consider speed/marmot because if it's speed/marmot would mean that the game is already essentially over

char/speed is cancelled via double derp apparently

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:31 pm I cant see into your mind and know you are town and LC isnt. Come on now.

but can't you?

well I'm pretty sure that any scum team remaining has you on it so I don't think it much matters what I say to you

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:22 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:54 pm ok so discounting LC/speed, if Speed is a wolf him and his partner both try to vote for me and win the game. didn't adequately consider lc/speed.
Where is LC Scum motivation in the plays he has been making lately tho?

voting for me is scummy

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:19 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:34 am I will look at viability of TSP x Marmot, and TSP speed chuck tomarrow night when i get off from work.

-/-/-/-

Ideally the consensus scum read of town should lead with their vote in Elo. Problem is im not sure who to pick for that yet. What do you guys think?
I think all viable teams contain Tony tbh...

Marmot and speed are super unlikely, Long con I think motive wise I dont have to worry about b/c the only way he lives tomorrow is if he is bussing Tony. I dont think scum will gamble on bringing town!LC to F3 if Tony is their partner.

yes im assuming 2 scum. Its safer then assuming one scum this roster.

we know you think this we were just talking about it

ok so discounting LC/speed, if Speed is a wolf him and his partner both try to vote for me and win the game. didn't adequately consider lc/speed.

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