The Syndicate

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:11 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:02 pm oh oops I called nutella a wolf and she wasn't even voting for me

I am voting for you. Don't you think I am wolf?

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:06 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:03 pm leetic and falcon mia, eh?

Leetic ain't a wolf. I am betting my entire mafia career on that

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:57 pm You think Jack and nutella are the last two wolves?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:55 pm

There's one post I see that makes me think twice. I'm not sure if that's enough. If it is, I'm not sure who should go instead.

Gut says Tony? idk

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:55 pm could pretty easily be tsp yea

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:50 pm Would be nice if Tony would say something. As a MU mod, I removed him from debate chat so that he'd have extra time to play this game.

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 12:02 am [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

He is the last mafia. In my theory of there being one high posting Assassin and one lowposting Assassin, TSP and Epi fits. Plus, I think his posts of being oblivious are performative.

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:25 am

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daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:38 am I still think that TSP is town, because what is this complete lack of concern for being voted?

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:17 pm Are we voting for me lol

This was the initial reason why I found Leetic towny. But it's been 2 48hr phases already and their ISO is so dry and without an spice. This is the person who accused Michelle of having the most middling ISO.

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leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:24 am I'm doubtful of Thunal's strategies here. The thing is that we want the assassins out of the way early, as the more villagers we kill the higher the chances of the assassins getting the target correct. It also assumes a complete lack of creativity from us. As long as people are smart enough to not take the route of always townreading the king, then it won't be an issue. All of us know who the king is, as long as we aren't absolute morons the king is never in danger of being the final lynch regardless of if one or some of the guards are voting them at any particular moment. We benefit from resolving this as quickly as possible, and in most scenarios random lynches won't achieve that.

Nutella's ISO is so dry as well.


These posts by Epi are towny.

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Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:47 pm Fuck it. Here's what I've got:

falcon & Thunal are not teammates.
S~V~S & Foxy are not teammates.
Foxy & Thunal are not teammates.
Scotty is our king, King of the Scots.

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Based on this, I'm least likely to vote for Foxy or Thunal.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:03 am As I've thought more about it:

I think the best way to approach this is to say anybody you're not voting for (as I did above) and feel free to leave the royal highness in or out of your list as you see fit. Say why if you want.

It's also a thing I poo poo on in normal mafia games, but with there being a pair of ne'er-do-wells instead of a single killer, it's not a terrible idea to look for teammate interactions this early on (impossible a task as that is, but them's the breaks). I picked out a few that I didn't think were likely. Tell me why I'm wrong.

More shruggery.

This... I find very good because it points out how Leetic is just fearmongering.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:44 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:36 am
Not sure I agree on the last sentence in general. But I'd say the biggest concern in this setup is that even if we lynch all the wolves, it doesn't guarantee our win as they still have the shots that can change the outcome.

How else do you win?

But, as I am writing this, I just remembered someone say they are good(?) at scumming. Well, I will townlean for now, and not overthink to paranoia.

Jackofhearts, Michelle... they have ok ISOs. nothing too wolfy or towny.

I think falcon is town. Their ISO is so sincere and esp this response to my joking is very cute. <3 Town Falcon.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:10 am

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:07 am
His Majesty Long Con and I are scum buddies, how did you know?

I don't



I don't often solve the game D1, it's pretty rare in fact

SVS is definitely town. The fiesty retaliation against Foxy~ very towny.

LC seems to be genuinely solving.

At this point, my eyes keep glazing over as I ISO Scotty. I think I will just sheep the past me who believed he was town.

Foxy is... town for now. Yes.

I think there is one Assassin high posting, and one Assassin among the lowposters. I keep checking each player with their interactions to our King (His Majesty LongCon) and it keeps throwing off my reads a bit.

As of now, my POE includes: Leetic, Nutella.

Ppl I won't vote for now: falcon, SVS, Epi, Scotty (maybe), His Majesty LC, Foxy.

Ppl you can convince me to vote if you tried hard enough: TPS, Michelle, jackofhearts.


Feeling really insecure about my deductions rn. XP but it is what it is.

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

I never accused Michelle of having a middling ISO I accused Michelle of having a Michelle singular post

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about this:

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:12 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine for having like the most middling ISO ever. And of course I am (or was) the most voted person

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:38 am I still think that TSP is town, because what is this complete lack of concern for being voted?

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:17 pm Are we voting for me lol

This was the initial reason why I found Leetic towny. But it's been 2 48hr phases already and their ISO is so dry and without an spice. This is the person who accused Michelle of having the most middling ISO.

Spoiler: show

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:24 am I'm doubtful of Thunal's strategies here. The thing is that we want the assassins out of the way early, as the more villagers we kill the higher the chances of the assassins getting the target correct. It also assumes a complete lack of creativity from us. As long as people are smart enough to not take the route of always townreading the king, then it won't be an issue. All of us know who the king is, as long as we aren't absolute morons the king is never in danger of being the final lynch regardless of if one or some of the guards are voting them at any particular moment. We benefit from resolving this as quickly as possible, and in most scenarios random lynches won't achieve that.

Nutella's ISO is so dry as well.


These posts by Epi are towny.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:47 pm Fuck it. Here's what I've got:

falcon & Thunal are not teammates.
S~V~S & Foxy are not teammates.
Foxy & Thunal are not teammates.
Scotty is our king, King of the Scots.

Spoiler: show

Based on this, I'm least likely to vote for Foxy or Thunal.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:03 am As I've thought more about it:

I think the best way to approach this is to say anybody you're not voting for (as I did above) and feel free to leave the royal highness in or out of your list as you see fit. Say why if you want.

It's also a thing I poo poo on in normal mafia games, but with there being a pair of ne'er-do-wells instead of a single killer, it's not a terrible idea to look for teammate interactions this early on (impossible a task as that is, but them's the breaks). I picked out a few that I didn't think were likely. Tell me why I'm wrong.

More shruggery.

This... I find very good because it points out how Leetic is just fearmongering.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:44 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:36 am
Not sure I agree on the last sentence in general. But I'd say the biggest concern in this setup is that even if we lynch all the wolves, it doesn't guarantee our win as they still have the shots that can change the outcome.

How else do you win?

But, as I am writing this, I just remembered someone say they are good(?) at scumming. Well, I will townlean for now, and not overthink to paranoia.

Jackofhearts, Michelle... they have ok ISOs. nothing too wolfy or towny.

I think falcon is town. Their ISO is so sincere and esp this response to my joking is very cute. <3 Town Falcon.

Spoiler: show

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:10 am

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:07 am
His Majesty Long Con and I are scum buddies, how did you know?

I don't



I don't often solve the game D1, it's pretty rare in fact

SVS is definitely town. The fiesty retaliation against Foxy~ very towny.

LC seems to be genuinely solving.

At this point, my eyes keep glazing over as I ISO Scotty. I think I will just sheep the past me who believed he was town.

Foxy is... town for now. Yes.

I think there is one Assassin high posting, and one Assassin among the lowposters. I keep checking each player with their interactions to our King (His Majesty LongCon) and it keeps throwing off my reads a bit.

As of now, my POE includes: Leetic, Nutella.

Ppl I won't vote for now: falcon, SVS, Epi, Scotty (maybe), His Majesty LC, Foxy.

Ppl you can convince me to vote if you tried hard enough: TPS, Michelle, jackofhearts.


Feeling really insecure about my deductions rn. XP but it is what it is.

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:36 am Why do I always join inactive games, am I cursed?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:05 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:39 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am
I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

I’m not going to force you or anyone to play the same way I do.

Thing is, if the majority consensus is the voting randomly and not making waves, the most obvious prediction is people that choose NOT to subscribe to the philosophy will get eliminated early to make room for this eventual homogeneity

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 1:23 pm My dear players, I must inform that a small edition in the rules of this game has been made. Though I prefer not to do that after games begin, I am confident this will maximise the enjoyment of the game for everyone involved.

The following sentence is no longer part of the rules:

The King will never die in a tie.

Thank you for your attention. Carry on with whatever you are doing.