The Syndicate

But I haven't gone back and tried to fully wrap my brain around the role yet.

Dizzy when you were loverized with Violet were you told what that would entail or is all of this based off what violet claimed?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pm But I haven't gone back and tried to fully wrap my brain around the role yet.

Dizzy when you were loverized with Violet were you told what that would entail or is all of this based off what violet claimed?

It entails us dying together. That is all it means.

I'm not asking for an explanation, I'm asking how did you find out you would die with violet and vice versa?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:24 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pm Why isn't Rico just self pres voting already?

I finished posting and logged off for my friend visit. I stated who I could vote and currently the sole avenue is Dizzy, due to self-pres. There's no tactic behind voting the self-pres at any given point, things can still change for an hour and half. Self-pres is the last resort move.

Enjoy your friend's visit.

Dizzy, here is the thing, lucy jumped right on a Dizzy vote when only Epi was there.

If violet is mafia, lucy is not the other one, because lucy would be sacrificing a teammate when lucy could have voted Rico with me instead.

lucy and violet can't be wolves together.

I had more of a thought but I realized maybe my numbers are screwy.

But if Rico is mafia and you are not, it has to be Rico and violet, because otherwise there would be no down side to a self pres vote right now.

If you are mafia and Rico is mafia, I also do not see why he would hold his vote, yeah he loses a teammate, but he also takes out a civ. Would that lose the vis the game?

If violet's claim is true, I can only see two options of teams lucy/Dizzy or lucy/Rico.

If I am really tinfoiling, lucy/Epi, but I just don't see that in Epi right now.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:35 pm Reminder that I'm down to lucy and Daisy as wolves if I am to believe that the role claims from Dizzy (original) and Violet (current) are town - even though Dizzy only wants their role townread and not Violet's.

This is a valid assumption to anyone who still has me in their PoE.

But note that it still includes lcuy, I am having a hard time mechanically seeing a world in which lucy is not mafia here.

All of this hinges on Violet's claim being true.

If Violet is chopping and you are both town, we lose. In fact, I wonder if we are not finished if either of you are chopped even if one of you is bad.

No, I just did some number crunching and assuming only one kill tonight, I think we will be at f3, correct?

Yeah, Dizzy is not bad here. Dizzy is town and either Epi or lucy, if one of you is town you need to move.

I think lucy is the right vote here.

It seems to me that lucy is a member of the most remaining possible permutations of the wolf team.

Lovers die together, this the way it has always been. This isn't new to us. It's just that violet framed it in an unclear way. But that was how I read what they were saying at the time.

I'm moving to lucy. [VOTE: lucy[/lucy]] aubergine

LOL let's try again [VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:57 pm I'm struggling to concentrate on anything right now with having to work too. Mafia is not worth getting my ass chewed out- sorry.

Don't worry about it. Work is more important.

ugh now I'm second guessing again.

Considering options has me seeing mutually exclusive conclusions.

I have to do work.

Look, I fucking wish it was because I would have been no qualms right now if that were the case. No doubt in my mind that a VIolet/Daisy team could cruise to the win, frankly. But it's not so I'm left spinning out because I don't want to vote wrong again.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:17 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:12 pm ugh now I'm second guessing again.

Considering options has me seeing mutually exclusive conclusions.

@Spacedaisy Who do you think is Lucy's teammate right now?

It could be any of you three. I see reasons I could say, well that means they are aligned with this person, or that means they are definitely not aligned with that person.

I am worried I should have stayed on Rico right now.

I'm leaning Violet as the second wolf and the only person that eliminates is you.

ugh, no, I don't know. And I can't sit here. Seriously I have a file due at 6:30 PM and I'm only have done with it.

I'll chek back in like twenty minutes.

I would consider returning to Rico, I am going to defer here to where the town goes.

I don't think it's you, I'm a terrible civ and I have no idea where to vote right now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:23 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:22 pm ugh, no, I don't know. And I can't sit here. Seriously I have a file due at 6:30 PM and I'm only have done with it.

I'll chek back in like twenty minutes.

I would consider returning to Rico, I am going to defer here to where the town goes.

A wise person once said "Work is more important."

Love you, man

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:25 pm Although, that doesn't make that much sense either, cause why not just vote me if both me and Violet are town???

Rico's lack of self pres vote before lucy was a valid option is what makes me question it. I think it is entirely likely that Rico and Violet are the wolf team.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

For real now. Working.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:36 pm So either this is Epig trying to place a buss vote on Rico. In which case, don't be fooled by that if Rico flips mafia.

Or we just lose the game, and it's like Violet and Epig or some shit lol.

Are you saying you actiually think the second mafia is Epi?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:48 pm I mean. We do lose to Lucy/Violet. That could be a world. In which case, Lucy's vote on me was a cool move.

I don't know lucy well but I suspect that lucy might do something like that. but lucy argued so hard for you. If it's lucy violet, lucy could have voted Rico with me, easy path to victory. there is no reason to go after you and chop her teammate in the process if lucy is bad and her teammate is violet

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:53 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:36 pm So either this is Epig trying to place a buss vote on Rico. In which case, don't be fooled by that if Rico flips mafia.

Or we just lose the game, and it's like Violet and Epig or some shit lol.

Are you saying you actiually think the second mafia is Epi?

If Rico flips wolf, yes, almost definitely.

It's not Violet, because he came in and made the switch happen. As did I. As did you. None of us had to. And Rico was on Lucy just before that, when he could've voted me instead. I think at this point, the only player Rico can be wolf with is Epig. So it's either both of them or we lose right now.

I think Rico is the one who looks worst from that tie earlier between himself and you. I absolutely could see Rico teamed eith violet.

He would not put a self pres vote on himself when doing so would have put you ahead of him. Why? The minute it looked like lucy could be chopped, he hopped on it straight away, when before he was sayng a self pres vote was pointless. If it's not because of self pres, why not have voted lucy earlier because that was who legitimately suspected? Holding his vote at that point looks bad and makes me believe in a Rico violet team here.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:00 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:53 pm Good luck town, hope you block the night kill.

Bye.

ugh, Rico if I'm wrong, I'm so sorry.

I think sleep is the right choice here, personally.

I don't believe it's Dizzy. I think it's either Violet or lucy, personally.

lol, personally, personally.

Dizzy is the only one I trust. If I were to live to tomorrow, I would have to seriously reconsider that trust because I don't know why else I would still be alive unless Dizzy was keeping me around because I'm pocketed. It's like the last F3 I was in. I said to myself if Cape is still alive, I'd have to ask myself why, then someone protected Cape and got me all confused. Meeehhh.

I believe it is either lucy or violet and I don't know which. Here is why:

Lucy could have voted Rico last time when she cast her first vote. She chose to vote Dizzy instead. If it's lucy she could have clinched the game by getting either Dizzy or violet chopping.

Rico would not place a vote for Dizzy, and I can only guess it was because he knew Violet stood a much higher chance of surviving in f3 than he did. Chopping Dizzy would have chopped Violet though, so he wouldn't want to vote there. Chopping lucy he had no problem with.

I don't know which of you it is though. I need more information, thus voting sleep. I assume Violet has not loverized anyone else or they would have said so by now.

Dizzy, I haven't caught up with everything you said yet. I've got some writing to do, but this is the thing that I am stuck on.

Epi's vote on Dizzy
My vote on Rico
lucy came in and voted Dizzy
You voted Rico

If lucy is Rico's partner, why wouldn't he just vote Dizzy here? It would automatically have clinched them the game if Dizzy was chopped. And he could do it under guise of self pres vote.

It makes no sense that he wouldn't have done it in a world where lucy was his partner. It could have potentially won them the game.

This is really fucking annoying. Now I come down to whether or not to believe Violet here regarding their role.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:16 pm @Spacedaisy What do you make of being town read so much in this game?

I don't make anything of it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:40 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:39 pm This is really fucking annoying. Now I come down to whether or not to believe Violet here regarding their role.

You can also both read what I've said about Violet and why I believe he is town, and also do your own investigation into it.

I've read everything you put and I feel like you apply certain logic inconsistently.

Because I'm too tired right now and too annoyed to think anything of it. What do you want me to say? Most of the people who have read me as town were in fact town themselves. So what is your point? I've expressed at various times worrying about it, but I'm past that at this point.

I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to salvage the usefulness of my role before claiming.

Whatever, I'll just claim since we can't get to N4

I'm a limited parity cop essentially. I don't get my result until N4, so it's not useful until D5. I have a check out on whether lucy and rico are the same or different alignments. That's why sleep was my choice. But now Violet's claim about their role makes it pointless. I don't fucking know who the last wolf is for certain, but I would have tomorrow, which is why I am so annoyed right now.

I had to pick my first target N2, I chose Rico.
My second target was picked N3, but I had to choose someone who had voted the same way as Rico at least one of the days. lucy was my only choice, but it worked out just fine. I was freaking out that I wasted it, when in reality it was never going to be useful to begin with.

I was supposed ot get my result N4

I hope to god Dizzy hasn't totally pocketed me here.

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:03 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:55 pm Whatever, I'll just claim since we can't get to N4

I'm a limited parity cop essentially. I don't get my result until N4, so it's not useful until D5. I have a check out on whether lucy and rico are the same or different alignments. That's why sleep was my choice. But now Violet's claim about their role makes it pointless. I don't fucking know who the last wolf is for certain, but I would have tomorrow, which is why I am so annoyed right now.

That's really unfortunate :/

Still, I think the risk would have been too high if I had not brought it up as we could lose if a) I don't loverize the last wolf and b) me or the the target dies (2/3 odds).

I apologize, I wasn't annoyed with you, I just didn't sleep well last night and I'm annoyed that instead of having information to base my vote on, I'm once again voting my gut and it's always fucking wrong.

I understand your reasoning, assuming you are telling the truth. But now I've outed myself if you weren't but it won't matter because your claim also requires us to vote now.

It's clearly either Dizzy or lucy though. Both pushed not to sleep for nebulous reasons. Probably because one of them is wolf and realizes that your role could be a huge risk for them going into N4.

Well, you won't be the target now

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:14 pm I tried to make this a fun kinda silly game, hopefully you guys enjoyed it and it wasn't too frustrating for anyone!

I had fun! And me being useless at the end was only because violet's role was still in play, so it wasn't the role design or anything. Just the way things fell out. Worked out in the end

Well played Dizzy & violet