The Syndicate

Also, I already set aside my suspicion of Scotty on your say so, so don't sweat over me. It's Scotty you might have to convince, lol.

I want to move my vote off Kyle, but I'm unsure where I want to put it.

Epi, it's insulting to me that you think I would utilize the OT color for a game strategy. That is an out of bounds move imo. Whether I am bad or good I would never ever put game strategy into OT green. It's a shitty accusation.

Kyle, I find the claim questionable. 1. It's a really easy win con. 2. It's weird to put a civ into BTSC with an indy who's only win con is to predict a couple night poll outcomes. Seems more likely a set up to use you for credibility to me. What happens if TH predicts two outcomes and then suddenly gains an extra power or becomes like Lynch immune or something of that nature? There is a danger in just sitting back and watching if he goes away, it may be that he is wanting us to wait until it's too late. This concerns me.

I really don't understand why claims get so readily accepted by some. This is closed set up with no flips. frankly a sacrifice of a single baddie with a false claim can easily lead to multiple civ mislynches. Because we can't prove or disapprove a damn thing. Mac is basing his reads of who is scum upon sig. While I agree that I think sig looked bad, sig frequently looks bad and isn't. The point here is that we don't know anything. I think sig was probably bad too, but I don't know it and I'm not about to go lynch people just because they voted him in a stupid night poll.

Mac, I proved myself to him. It had nothing to do with his role.

Golden, I was starting to worry about you.

In case you can't tell, I don't believe most of the stuff people are saying.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:14 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:20 pm @MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners

Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.

Just like you have the private message function to send me one asking me to not put OT messages in the game if you don’t fucking like it. Idgaf. It doesn’t hurt you or anyone else to scroll past a fucking post. Get over it. Or take it to a mod.

Moving on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:57 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:49 pm Perhaps the most obvious thing to me is that Spacedaisy is spending half her time in this game in some form of BTSC.

Talk to me again after the game when you will have to admit you don’t know how to read me for shit. I don’t have BTSC.

Nah.

Right because Mac doesn’t admit he was wrong, but you are.

Oh response to why I voted like I did for sig. because I felt like I appreciated his honest approach to saying why we should vote him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:49 pm Perhaps the most obvious thing to me is that Spacedaisy is spending half her time in this game in some form of BTSC.

Talk to me again after the game when you will have to admit you don’t know how to read me for shit. I don’t have BTSC.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:43 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:44 pm If it was one shot, then if I had done what he did IO would have made it damn clear that was the case, which he hasn't. Because he painted a big old target on himself with what he did otherwise. It seems reckless and possibly wasteful to me. That said, it depends on whether or not there is something to your text flavor point. And whether or not sig was actually bad. Because if sig is bad, then Quin is not. And neither is INH. This is assuming the message is true.

@Golden You should know by now that you can trust me. I was trying to prove myself, and I would hope you were watching well so you caught it.

Forget whether Quin actually got a message?

Who cares?

He dumped into the thread, and what we got was INH and sig both upset over the message. Neither accused the other. Nether accused Quin. None of that happened. They focused on the message's origin or the consequences it may have for them as individuals rather than for civilians.

That to me is the most important thing, and I could give a toss if Quin was lying or truthful about his message.

Epi that wasn’t directed at you, it was a post in response to a question Gokden asked me. Go poke at someone else.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners

I can accept you found me wanting. I voted for him at night and didn't really have a strong read on him either way. But I'm town. Civs can look bad too because we have no outside information, we're depending on our own intuition and interpretation.

Even when you ask, you never come to a read of me that quick that I recall ever seeing.

I'm putting my on [VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine for now.

Because you came to it too easy. I like thinking you can read me, but it worries me that amidst everyone throwing shade at me, you came to trusting me too easy. I'm worried you're pocketing me.

If it was one shot, then if I had done what he did IO would have made it damn clear that was the case, which he hasn't. Because he painted a big old target on himself with what he did otherwise. It seems reckless and possibly wasteful to me. That said, it depends on whether or not there is something to your text flavor point. And whether or not sig was actually bad. Because if sig is bad, then Quin is not. And neither is INH. This is assuming the message is true.

[mention]Golden[/mention] You should know by now that you can trust me. I was trying to prove myself, and I would hope you were watching well so you caught it.

Yes I realize I changed my mind during the catch up completely on Epi. Should be clear why though.

If Golden is correct about the flavor text (IF) I might hesitate a bit to vote Quin.

I'm not sure where it leaves me though. I still don't think INH is bad. I could see him being 3P like Epi suggests though. But I'd rather lynch people I find actually suspicious first.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] You haven't asked me what I think of you yet. It makes me think you are bad.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] Can we consider the host posts as anything more than just flavor for flavor's sake? Or are they completely just flavor?

[mention]Golden[/mention] I wouldn't do what Quin did. the only way I might consider it is if it was a one time use ability. And I would not shoot my mouth off about two people until I felt like I had a handle on which was more suspicious.

All my thoughts as I caught up:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

^ This

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.

INH's reaction was what I was waiting for, but it must've slipped by me. Can you please share where he did this?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:40 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

Nope it isn't, I'm doubtful that the message is good I think its a baddie power. I don't see why that's so odd.

Though seeing how so many people jumped on me maybe I'm wrong and INH is mafia and i'm being pushed by his teammates. BUT I doubt it.

On what basis do you believe this message comes from the forces of evil? Be clear.

I'm a civ
I believe he's a civ
I think it's just as likely that this is a mafia power as a civ power and that thoughts compounded by the fact that nobody else seems to question it.
I think mafia would send a PM saying that one of two civ players aren't civ to get us both lynched and distract the thread from anything else.

See there is very little that could convince me that the other person info has been revealed about is civ if it came down to me or them being civ. Unless I was bad and knew they were civ. If you are civ sig, why are you convinced INH is civ also?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:54 pm This is some sloppy shit from sig. That's all I've got to say.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Ok so lynch all three but INH first?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:08 pm Epi goes from voting his apparent mafia read to his indy read. Then claims his indy read is a mafia read. But if so, what's his sig read been all about, because this all started with the two clearly not being compatible with each other?

And Epi still wants to lynch both of them... even though he now apparently thinks INH is bad, with no evidence that sig would be indy...

His logic is all over the place inconsistent.

I disagree about his logic. As soon as Quin claimed this is where it leads. Lynching all three of them. My concern is if Epi was involved in it. Consider this Golden. IMagine yourself a civ with a power like you believe Quin has. Would you out your power immediately after finding two people were unaligned? Or would you watch them and try to decide which you suspect, build a case on them?

You see the problem we are actually in with this info claim?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:16 pm Epignosis are you actually a doctor or were you talking shit? Because there's a bit of an elephant in the room here given Scotty seems to be counter claiming.

What am I missing? What was the claim and the counter claim?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:30 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:22 pm Scotty is both town and doctor.

How are you so sure of that?

This. I am completely baffled by everything being claimed right now. I'm guessing you don't really believe he is town and are covering for who you think is? Or, I don't know, this is all too weird.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:35 pm Let's do something more fun.

sig and INH are Booker DeWitt and Comstock. That is to say, both have been swept away by the Luteces. They're not here.

Who gets your vote and why?

Quin, hands down.

People I will not vote for:
Golden
Scotty
Epi

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:27 pm I recruited Daisy for my scum team in Fire Walk With Me but she got snuffed almost immediately, so other than that, I don’t know her scum game either. Daisy, what was your last scum game aside from that?

Fiddler on the Roof. Where I had zero chance of winning but I think I played pretty well. It was mechanically impossible for me to win that game though after a tied lynch between two of my teammates and one refused to vote to save herself. It gave away she was clearly bad and so was he. That was like Day 2.

I’m not worked up at this point. I’m waiting. There is something I want to see before I weigh in today.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:47 am

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:09 am Hey, sig...

Quin is coming for your wig.

Bad quin Bad boy.


Though I agree with those who say Quin is town, don't see mafia quin doing that.

Not sure how I feel about Daisy preemptive defense about being framed through Nutella's disappearance

If you haven’t picked up yet, I’m putting my thoughts out there fairly unfiltered. That was my immediate thought when I saw the post. Right or wrong that was my knee jerk reaction to that. Someone else pointed out it could’ve been because of her claim of having a cool role too. All I know is she went after me Day 1 and I’m not bad, so if you were in my shoes how would you view that kill?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:40 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:50 am ok so what are the proposed facts involved here?

quin says mechanically that sig and inh are not teammates

golden says mechanically or (spiritually?) that sig is not mafia

also inh is claiming that quin is pressuring him into roleclaiming, for some reason?

is this much correct?

You and I should form the Alliance of the Uninformed with Spacedaisy. What say you?

I would love this more than words express.

I suspect nutella’s Disappearance is a frame job intended to get me lynched. Golden, do you trust me now that the night is over?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:13 pm Actually sorry I am gonna massively decrease the level of care I have here. I am feeling too much anger and it makes me feel like an idiot.

I was too but I chatted with dunya. She helped with that. Also I’m very fond of you. Just thought it’d be nice to know.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:13 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:54 pm I’m a vote you don’t have to reciprocate, lol. Because I didn’t catch everything when I signed up.

You can stay with me Daisy. I picked a lovely place to stay in like a future oasis thingy

I’m down.

I’m a vote you don’t have to reciprocate, lol. Because I didn’t catch everything when I signed up.

Ah well I didn’t do that. I’ll vote for you sig.

I’m confused, did I miss where we are supposed to send in destinations?

Golden, I think you will trust me fully soon.

A goal?

Because your drunk okay is indistinguishable from your sober play. Wait, do you play sober?

I understand how mafia works but let’s review the only cases that have been brought against me

Nutella: this is fake and she’s bad.
Quin: agree
Mac: daisy must’ve told her baddie teammates in their chat that she can’t contribute so they should bus her.
Scotty: It’s weird to find it suspicious that I didn’t vote for the person I was badgering most of the day
Someone else I can’t remember: Daisy is upset because she is scum that got caught for the wrong reasons.

These are literally the worst cases I’ve ever seen on me. Ever. And if I am upset it’s because I’ve felt like a lot of you that I expected to see those cases for the sheer ridiculousness that they are did, did not see it.

But whatever, I’m done talking about this. Unless someone has something worthwhile to discuss with me about some suspicion they have. Otherwise I’m moving on.

Golden, I didn’t actually read that part from INH when I first said I believed he was town. Normally I would say no blackmailing a vote is not civilian minded. However, even after you mentioned it the first time and I saw it my mind wasn’t changed. Because it’s not just, “would a civ do this?” It’s “Would a civ INH do this?” I could very easily see it. It’s INH. I would be more inclined to think he would do it as a civ than a baddie. Though I could see it either way. I don’t find him more suspicious because of it anyway.

Read my defense of INH how you want, my gut says it’s civ INH. That’s it. You can continue going on about it, it won’t change it. I’ve been nothing but 100% honest about my thoughts and opinions and all I’ve got to skip for it is a bunch of bullshit accusations. I’m completely baffled by how about 90% of the players in this game are behaving. Whatever.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:11 am There should be a motive.

“Your words don’t line up with your actions and I think the reason why is because...”

Otherwise the observation is empty. You find baddie conduct in nefarious motive, not something being odd.

Besides, when I said scotty is 100% town I meant it. If you think I’m town then you should not suspect Scotty either. I have no reason to make this up when I was after him half the day.

Look I’m not going after Scotty because you vouched for him. That was enough for me. The reason I’m still discussing what I saw as suspicious is because he’s turning into case against me. Golden if you can’t see my cig game then just Lynch’s he tomorrow. You’re not getting any flips anyway and at thee d of the game then we can talk. Because I have not done anything that should even be a case. I am town.

I can’t believe you of all people are buying into it.

I’m going to leave the thread for now because this has been an exceedingly frustrating game day for me and I’ve wanted to swear at pretty much everyone here except Colin and Kyle. And the worst part is with no flips this is how my whole damn game is going to go. There is no way to show you how fucking wrong you all are.

Will do, thanks for some quick reads though.

Don’t leave the site forever though!

Don’t apologize. Drunk mafia is the best. You are town, so any gth wolf reads?

I love drunk mafia, lol. I already think you’re town Colin.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:52 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:21 amWhy is that trustworthy? I read her last scum game that she linked to in GoC and she was pretty active in that game too.

idk i just feel a genuine sense of active game solving from spacedaisy. She's making big giant posts that I sometimes end up skimming cus she's put so much thought into them, that's something I associate witb civ space daisy

Big difference here than what I’m used to is her duraflame fire that hasn’t burned out. I don’t know what it means.

I dont either? do you mean that she seems less fatigued?

I so love you right now Kyle, lol. Apparently you can read me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:13 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:11 pm INH reads like someone who takes issue with someone using meta as a defense. He's not wrong. Meta is a shit reason to be dissuaded to vote from someone. If you know your meta well enough to use it to defend yourself then what's to say you couldn't use it to trick us into thinking you are civ? I think INH is just focusing on the wrong thing. He is focusing on a shit defense, and letting it blind him to your overall tone and behavior. I don't think INH is bad. I think you guys are civ on civ.

Mac: It's ridiculous and wrong. Do better.

Ah I see you did expand on why you’d vote me over INH.

But here’s the thing: I already made that observation and also agree that civ metas are not a basis for defense. Your gripe with me seems to be that I didn’t vote golden and put my money where my mouth is. I guess. So to call INH civ because he had the same idea I had is harrowing. If I had just voted golden, would you have looked to vote INh over me if you had the option at the time, considering he made all those observations in a large block post later in the day?

Also, I meant to say I ahve no idea what anything I said about INH has anything to do with you. At all. I don't suspect INH because I can understand where he is coming from, I just think he is wrong. I found you suspect because your words didn't line up with your actions. That is suspicious to me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:13 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:11 pm INH reads like someone who takes issue with someone using meta as a defense. He's not wrong. Meta is a shit reason to be dissuaded to vote from someone. If you know your meta well enough to use it to defend yourself then what's to say you couldn't use it to trick us into thinking you are civ? I think INH is just focusing on the wrong thing. He is focusing on a shit defense, and letting it blind him to your overall tone and behavior. I don't think INH is bad. I think you guys are civ on civ.

Mac: It's ridiculous and wrong. Do better.

Ah I see you did expand on why you’d vote me over INH.

But here’s the thing: I already made that observation and also agree that civ metas are not a basis for defense. Your gripe with me seems to be that I didn’t vote golden and put my money where my mouth is. I guess. So to call INH civ because he had the same idea I had is harrowing. If I had just voted golden, would you have looked to vote INh over me if you had the option at the time, considering he made all those observations in a large block post later in the day?

Scotty, you didn't just express some vague suspicion, you seemed to be going after Golden, to the point it looked to me like youw ere trying to get him worked up, rather than look for real scum. And then you didn't vote him. No, I would not do that. And I think it is a legitimate reason to suspect you. And I think Colin is civ, sio yeah I'm guessing we're teammates. But I won't know that for sure until the game is over.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt Golden re:Scotty, though I don't know that I'm convinced.

[VOTE: Zephyrus] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:30 pm two thoughts:

this is the most active space daisy that I've seen in many moons and for that reason I feel like trusting her

thought #2, this is also true about INH

I think Daisy’s defence of inh goes beyond thread knowledge. I dunno whether I svhould trust it or not but for now I am.

Even if it’s not, I’m not sure if daisy would do that when bad.

I have no information, I am just going on my gut reads about everyone. Strictly my opinions.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:13 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:11 pm INH reads like someone who takes issue with someone using meta as a defense. He's not wrong. Meta is a shit reason to be dissuaded to vote from someone. If you know your meta well enough to use it to defend yourself then what's to say you couldn't use it to trick us into thinking you are civ? I think INH is just focusing on the wrong thing. He is focusing on a shit defense, and letting it blind him to your overall tone and behavior. I don't think INH is bad. I think you guys are civ on civ.

Mac: It's ridiculous and wrong. Do better.

I will take your suggestion under advisement but given I have no reason at all to trust you I will take it with a grain of salt and also note that you call it wrong like you know my alignment.

No, I call it that as someone who has tentatively thought you were town up until now because I liked what I saw from you.

INH reads like someone who takes issue with someone using meta as a defense. He's not wrong. Meta is a shit reason to be dissuaded to vote from someone. If you know your meta well enough to use it to defend yourself then what's to say you couldn't use it to trick us into thinking you are civ? I think INH is just focusing on the wrong thing. He is focusing on a shit defense, and letting it blind him to your overall tone and behavior. I don't think INH is bad. I think you guys are civ on civ.

Mac: It's ridiculous and wrong. Do better.

When the fuck did I say I couldn't contribute much??

I never ever said I wouldn't be contributing much. You are building a completely false narrative here. I've been doing ISO's and playing the game, so where are you getting this idea that I came into a team chat and said I wouldn't be contributing?

I am not being bussed by mafia teammates because I am not mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:53 pm I think it's Daisy.

You think I'm bad?

Can't believe people are buying into nutella's bullshit.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:40 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:38 pm Explain to me the Quin/Scotty connection you see please Golden

Linki: And my single post in this game before my post that nutella jumped all over was from Day 0. So explain to me how it is either incorrect or time zones. Neither fits.

I can’t iso on my phone. Maybe I have you conflated with someone else.

Alright, fair enough.

Explain to me the Quin/Scotty connection you see please [mention]Golden[/mention]

Linki: And my single post in this game before my post that nutella jumped all over was from Day 0. So explain to me how it is either incorrect or time zones. Neither fits.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:30 pm Spacedaisy is the key.

That would a first.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:26 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:19 pm That answers my question of the one thing that concerned me Goldne. regarding your messed up quote above, was it you saying you don't know if you trust me yet? the quote says TH, so I'm unclear.

Yeah but I haven’t really read your recent posts yet.

Getting a townie vibe today but wasn’t earlier in the game.

I literally wasn't in here until today aside from my one post to say something technical about the boards. So I'm unsure what you mean by this.

Not ignoring you sig, you were actually next on my ISO list.

That answers my question of the one thing that concerned me Goldne. regarding your messed up quote above, was it you saying you don't know if you trust me yet? the quote says TH, so I'm unclear.

I don't like the INH train. I'm voting Scotty. I would be much more comfortable lynching Scotty.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Oh really, nutella?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:00 pm I see your post INH.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I could vote for daisy. I'll give her a chance to get her foot in the door but I don't like that she's been hanging back so far.

INH and sig both look good imo/I agree with them on a lot so far

Lap.... idk she's an enigma. As are Luna and Choutas. Post more friendos

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:10 pm [VOTE: spacedaisy] aubergine

That was fake and she's bad and maybe lap's teammate

You were shading me before I was even actually playing the game. What a shock that you voted me with my first actual post I made. Not to mention how weak your vote was.