The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:37 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:29 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:16 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:48 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:46 pm Sloonei’s putting up a hell of a fight but if he’s not scum I’ll eat G-Man’s dictionary.
You're excessively confident for someone who's not even trying to figure out what's going on.
I don’t know why you keep saying that. I have read every post in this thread, which is more than you can say, and I am very aware of the arguments being put forth. Get outta here with this baseless “Colin isn’t paying attention” shit.
I’m waiting for you to prove it. According to you I haven’t done anything all game. Get out of here with that shit.
No.
Why not?

I don’t mean to say that you’ve done nothing and I think you’ll actually find that’s a misrepresentation of what I did say. To add what I’ve said, though, you’ve mischaracterized most other things I’ve put forth when referring to them and that feels deliberate. We will have to agree to disagree until our alignments are revealed.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:34 pm For those of you voting Sloonei, please tell me again why you think Owner did not vote TH as self-pres. Why leave it to LC when it would have been so much more understandable if Owner had done it. Just seems like a bad scum move if they are both scum.

I don’t know why Owner did any thing in this game. Why did Owner fabricate a suspicion on D1 if she’s town?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:32 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:21 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty
I have no idea what Poutanko’s alignment is, but if you lynch me, don’t take my civ flip as proof of anything but that I’m civ and that you should have listened to me.
Fine.
Question for you, if Sloonei were no longer an option who would you vote for?
Probably you or Sprit. I can easily see a world where Sprit is being bussed by Sloonei right now. Notice that he isn’t self-presing by voting Sloonei.
No. Assuming Sloonei is town, who would you vote for.

Oh. Well if Sloonei is town I have a pretty big misread on the game but I still don’t feel great about you or Sprit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:29 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:16 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:48 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:46 pm Sloonei’s putting up a hell of a fight but if he’s not scum I’ll eat G-Man’s dictionary.
You're excessively confident for someone who's not even trying to figure out what's going on.
I don’t know why you keep saying that. I have read every post in this thread, which is more than you can say, and I am very aware of the arguments being put forth. Get outta here with this baseless “Colin isn’t paying attention” shit.
I’m waiting for you to prove it. According to you I haven’t done anything all game. Get out of here with that shit.

No.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:21 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty
I have no idea what Poutanko’s alignment is, but if you lynch me, don’t take my civ flip as proof of anything but that I’m civ and that you should have listened to me.
Fine.
Question for you, if Sloonei were no longer an option who would you vote for?

Probably you or Sprit. I can easily see a world where Sprit is being bussed by Sloonei right now. Notice that he isn’t self-presing by voting Sloonei.

Luna, I have played a lot of games with you and you were my scummate once upon a time. What does my town play look like? What does my scum play look like? I feel like you get pinged by me constantly and I’m not sure where it comes from.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty

I have no idea what Poutanko’s alignment is, but if you lynch me, don’t take my civ flip as proof of anything but that I’m civ and that you should have listened to me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:53 am @DharmaHelper

About Sloonei. There’s wrong and there’s teamed. If it wasn’t, would you still be voting for him?

I’m cause wrong but if that’s not what you’re thinking, this is a mistake.

If that makes sense.

Hopefully this is secret Floo speak and not you having a stroke?

My phone is working better so I actually might pop in but I have a lot to do at work and I’m not changing my vote anyway, so.

Sloonei literally scumslipped. Look at the timestampd on those posts about “five scum.” A civ doesn’t make that belabored correction that much later.

If the phase ends tonight I may not be here before then, so don’t fuck this up.

Re: the rezzes. I say dumb thoughtless shit as civ. Look it up. I am calculated as scum. Look it up. You wanna lynch me because you have a conspiracy boner about some game mechanic you think exists then go ahead and use your cosmic brains but when I flip you better fucking lynch Sloonei.

Agree with nutella re: Sloonei targeting sprit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:00 pm Non-personal reason for disliking Colin's vote:
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:34 am There is a lot of stuff that happened since my last post. Since I am more clueless than before, I will stick with my POE.

[VOTE: SLOONEI] aubergine

I think Owner, upon further reflection, was being bussed by INH. I think Owner also looked terrible, and I think Sloonei, upon inheriting the rolecard, has done his best to appear somewhat unengaged or separated from the action, and I think it’s an act. I’m sticking with this vote unless a new, compelling argument is made for someone else.
He expresses a tentative commitment to his vote despite, evidently, not being informed on the current state of the thread. It's hard to call this anything other than a pre-meditated, calculated vote in that light. His confidence is offset by the hedging statement, "I'm sticking with this unless a new argument comes along." Alright, cool, so like every vote ever? This sentence seems to exist just to emphasize his confidence in the vote while also leaving the door open to pivot to something better.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:53 pm I’ve given my reads. My POE remains the same without further developments.

And if you think I’m “stuck,” well, oh well. Owner did you no favors regardless of alignment and only fell off my radar because I thought INH wouldn’t bus that hard. But I’ve changed my mind. Nothing you’ve done since has signaled to me that you’re town on your own merit either, so ... here we are.
He does not deny that his read comes from Day 1. He then tries to lend strength to it by waving his hand at the 200+ posts I've made in this game. I pressed him to actually present a read on me, but he's shown an unwillingness to do so:
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:04 pm You haven’t done anything I can recall other than pop in to say you haven’t read the thread, deflect from the Owner arguments and defend yourself a lot. If you feel I’m minimizing your contributions then I apologize.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced the “script” was to bus Owner when it became clear she fucked up and then INH died unexpectedly changing the game a bit. Nothing will convince me otherwise until I see your flip and I really mean nothing.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:26 pm I’m not interested in arguing the point further Sloonei. I’m not going to convince you to lynch yourself and your questions are things I’ve already addressed. Sorry.
"The point" which Colin is "not interested in arguing" is the merits of his vote. So in other words, Colin isn't interested in justifying his vote. He just wants to leave it there because he's sure of it, but not sure enough to actually defend, and also he's going to change it if he can get another civilian lynched.

This vote is bogus. The "script" is to say that LC saved Owner a month ago.

If I’m such a dirty rotten liar why isn’t your vote on me?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:48 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:46 pm Sloonei’s putting up a hell of a fight but if he’s not scum I’ll eat G-Man’s dictionary.
You're excessively confident for someone who's not even trying to figure out what's going on.

I don’t know why you keep saying that. I have read every post in this thread, which is more than you can say, and I am very aware of the arguments being put forth. Get outta here with this baseless “Colin isn’t paying attention” shit.

Sloonei’s putting up a hell of a fight but if he’s not scum I’ll eat G-Man’s dictionary.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:21 pm *I assume we have only two bad guys left. I’ve been operating under the assumption that there’s five total for a while now, but that’s not confirmed. Either way, three dead baddies = a good chance for town, if we take advantage of the situation. I don’t think mass claiming needs to be treated as an awful strategy right now.

Scum slip correction?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:01 pm Moved my vote to sloonei. The Owner suspicion has been there since day fucking 1, and Long Con SAVED Owner...

Yup.

DharmaHelper, I know you've been persistently commenting about Owner lying/suspicions of them and Sloonei, etc. Why is your vote on Quin?

If timmer isn’t the vig, why wouldn’t a real vig kill him for obviously lying/taking credit?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:32 pm Colin and poutanko are our scum who's with me

I don’t know anything about poutanko and the speedchuck stuff, but you really think that if poutanko were bad and my teammate, they would call a civ bad and a teammate good?

Sprit is pretty much not here. It’s not what I’m used to seeing from his scum game, and his act could be an easy shield to hide behind. If he wasn’t in my POE before he is now with Speed gone, but there’s no big case for me to hang my hat on.

I’m not interested in arguing the point further Sloonei. I’m not going to convince you to lynch yourself and your questions are things I’ve already addressed. Sorry.

You haven’t done anything I can recall other than pop in to say you haven’t read the thread, deflect from the Owner arguments and defend yourself a lot. If you feel I’m minimizing your contributions then I apologize.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced the “script” was to bus Owner when it became clear she fucked up and then INH died unexpectedly changing the game a bit. Nothing will convince me otherwise until I see your flip and I really mean nothing.

I’ve given my reads. My POE remains the same without further developments.

And if you think I’m “stuck,” well, oh well. Owner did you no favors regardless of alignment and only fell off my radar because I thought INH wouldn’t bus that hard. But I’ve changed my mind. Nothing you’ve done since has signaled to me that you’re town on your own merit either, so ... here we are.

Nope.

BTW, I scanned Ravenclaw with a Niffler earlier and waa told there is 1 Hallow. So if anybody else there has a Hallow, Quin would be lying. Speak now.

There is a lot of stuff that happened since my last post. Since I am more clueless than before, I will stick with my POE.

[VOTE: SLOONEI] aubergine

I think Owner, upon further reflection, was being bussed by INH. I think Owner also looked terrible, and I think Sloonei, upon inheriting the rolecard, has done his best to appear somewhat unengaged or separated from the action, and I think it’s an act. I’m sticking with this vote unless a new, compelling argument is made for someone else.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm Gimme your detailed thoughts on Colin. Go

He does his best, and isn’t that what counts?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:51 pm I already shared my why's.

Do you think there are only 4 scum?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:52 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:51 pm Spped
Sloonei
Luna
Quin
Sprit

POE. I think.
This just in: Colin fails to count to 7.

I'll be Jay's advocate and ask for two more.

Jack and Mac I guess.

Spped
Sloonei
Luna
Quin
Sprit

POE. I think.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:25 pm Having taken the liberty of ordering my thoughts, it gives me pause to consider why Colin is so low. Having a moment to ponder the answer is simple. Colin is playing like a player whose enjoyment level/purpose is low. Town Colin is at the coal face of discussion. This Colin is on the perimeter always. Peeking in over shoulders. I put it to you that Colin is struggling to partake in the festivities on account of having lost several teammates, thus making it challenging for him to remain active.

I’m just kinda busy lately.

In 2012 I was 17 and would come home from school, roast up some hot dogs and watch The Sopranos every day. Shit was so cool.

DDL if you fucked something up with the night actions you can just tell us, everyone with broken brains will forgive you

Someone should aggregate together everybody’s POE from people who have offered them by # of inclusions. Someone who isn’t me.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:09 am For everyone:

Has anyone given any thought to 'why Epi' for the kill?

Assuming the scum did it, Epi is a good target, for kills or other actions. If it wasn’t purely kill motivated maybe they learned his spells and he had good ones. It does kind of feel like scum are trying to outsmart docs to an extent though with some of the kills.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am DH and Mac town v Town. Because their entire arguement wasted time and accomplished close to nothing.

But who is bad?

FYI I’m gonna be out of town this weekend so don’t expect a lot from me (assuming I don’t get nightkilled)

I don’t understand a fucking thing you people are talking about.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

Explain like I’m dumb and have barely skimmed any of this night action whatsit

Looking at the remaining player’s list ... how the hell are all these people still alive? And players of this caliber. Is the mafia playing on hard mode?

If you saw how much I spent on fast food last month you’d confirm me scum right away

DH looks super town to me.

Paying my bills rn, you guys

Can someone tag this with the quote feature and say “Pay your bills” please, so I see it when I get home tonight? Whoever does it is town

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:14 pm Ok, I have been debating this at work and have decided that given the confusion about the night actions I should at least clear one of them up (or make it more confusing).

When I got Glorf's role card I was blown away to see that he had the Phoenix. I suspect he was waiting to use it if JJJ died but of course I don't know for sure. So I promptly did what Colin has been begging everyone to do and I used it, targeting Turnip Head. When dawn came I felt punched in the stomach to see that INH had been rezzed. I suspect I was targeted with Imperio though the only way that makes much sense is if the mafia already knew where the Phoenix was. I mean, why would they target me of all people with Imperio?

So mix that into the cake batter and see if we get a less lumpy cake - or is it now more lumpy?

lots of linki which I will read now
Did Glor fail N1 or more likely N2? If they misdirected you into a dead player, they had to know you had a phoenix.

This means scum misdirect shenanigans very unlikely to be the cause of Speed/Quin discrepancy.
Oh this is a good point. So glorf must have tried to use it and failed and maybe the mafia tracked to see he targeted a dead player

Very interdasting. So, full speed ahead on INH then.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:00 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:51 pm A. There is a reasonable suspicion of scum trickery involved with lynching INH today
Didn't you use a Thundebird or something?

Yeah, but I’m thinking a bomb or something. Seems unlikely even as I type it though.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:37 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:22 pm I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery. But I really don’t kniw how to handle any of this. You aren’t going down like a scum who has been caught unless you’re laying traps, but why would we listen to you if you flip bad anyway?

I think it’s possible Speed is town but it’s probably for the good of the town that we either lynch him now and get time to sort this out after, or lynch INH and vig him/lynch him shortly thereafter. Which is weird to say, but, uh, yeah.
In no universe does it make sense to lynch speedchuck before we lynch INH.

Except if:
A. There is a reasonable suspicion of scum trickery involved with lynching INH today
B. Solving the speed-Quin-whatever stuff is more valuable to us collectively than having INH dead

I dunno the answer to either point.

Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery. But I really don’t kniw how to handle any of this. You aren’t going down like a scum who has been caught unless you’re laying traps, but why would we listen to you if you flip bad anyway?

I think it’s possible Speed is town but it’s probably for the good of the town that we either lynch him now and get time to sort this out after, or lynch INH and vig him/lynch him shortly thereafter. Which is weird to say, but, uh, yeah.

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