The Syndicate

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:03 am Is it time to self pres? My apologies if you waste a day just to lynch me and learn I was civilian again. [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Will you vote colin with me?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:59 am If I were choosing between Colin and sprit, I'd lynch Colin first right now. But self-preservation is on the menu for me now, so if things stay the way they are I'll need to stay on sprit. I'm okay with him too.

I also remain open to other options.

I'll vote Colin with you

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:53 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:46 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.
What about colin?
Last I went through Colin's posts (to find the INH/speed stuff) I actually saw posts that made me unsure. Like he looks bad from that interaction, but overall his posts look like town. Is Colin really good at hiding as mafia? Cause if he is bad, I'm impressed. Some of the stuff he's said is throwing me off a bit.
He has plenty of experience and I vaguely recall that Colin is cool under pressure, so I wouldn’t discount him for having a believable tone alone.

Honestly I can’t get past his vote right now. It has all the markings of a pre-meditated move. He's not engaging with the thread in its current state and he came in with a ready-made vote which he’s not moving off of.

How did I miss that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:53 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:46 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.
What about colin?
Last I went through Colin's posts (to find the INH/speed stuff) I actually saw posts that made me unsure. Like he looks bad from that interaction, but overall his posts look like town. Is Colin really good at hiding as mafia? Cause if he is bad, I'm impressed. Some of the stuff he's said is throwing me off a bit.
He has plenty of experience and I vaguely recall that Colin is cool under pressure, so I wouldn’t discount him for having a believable tone alone.

Honestly I can’t get past his vote right now. It has all the markings of a pre-meditated move. He's not engaging with the thread in its current state and he came in with a ready-made vote which he’s not moving off of.

His "not engaging" with the thread is worrisome. That isn't easily noticed when you go back and look at someone's posts alone. So yeah, I would be okay with a Colin lynch as well.

@MacDougall Hi, need something?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.
What about colin?

Last I went through Colin's posts (to find the INH/speed stuff) I actually saw posts that made me unsure. Like he looks bad from that interaction, but overall his posts look like town. Is Colin really good at hiding as mafia? Cause if he is bad, I'm impressed. Some of the stuff he's said is throwing me off a bit.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:52 pm Epi kill:
Juliet: Why did the maf kill Epi? That's so random.
Luna: Hey, maybe it's someone he sussed, let's take a look!

Jay kill:
Juliet & Luna: Let's talk about something else.

@juliets @Lunalee Why is this different treatment? What will be accomplished by talking about Epi kill? Why no one talk about Jay kill when:
>Jay is a big fish
>Speed watched Jay and LC visited him N1 (cop? block?)
>Jay survived until D4
>Suddenly killed N4
If talking about who's getting killed by scum could accomplish something, isn't talking about Jay kill will bear more fruit than Epi? You two talked about Epi but not about Jay. Why?

Not really sure what you want me to say about the Jay kill. The reason I commented on Epi was because there was a discussion going on in thread when I happened to be around, so I gave my thoughts on it.

Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.

Guys, really? What's with the Sloonei train? It stinks rotten.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:40 pm Man I can't help but imagine both speed and jay tossing around in their graves screaming at us to just lunch quin

No thanks. I packed my lunch today.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:53 pm @nutella
Why are you voting Kara instead of Pout?
I'm torn between them. I guess they could both be bad but I'm less sure of pout still.
What's the case on Kara? I isoed you for mentions of Kara and you've got neutral statements and vague negative statements. You just kinda declare her bad and now are more sure on her than Pout.

I know why you suspect Pout. I have no idea why you suspect Kara.
You must have somehow missed my big long post about Kara and speed in which I argue for Kara being scum regardless of speed's alignment. The main point is what was the motivation for flooing speed, seems like scum trying to get info.

Kara is new to the syndicate, but actually knows speed irl. Makes since to me that he would pick speed to chat with.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:13 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:06 pm Here is my gut-town "player salad." Based off what I've seen from these players, I'm town reading them, and wouldn't mind a lynch of anyone not on this list:
DharamaHelper
juliets
karavalenge
nutella
Quin
Sloonei
Timmer
There are accusations that Timmer's not actually a vigilante. Tell me your thoughts on this and generally why Timmer is a townread.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't vigilantes usually align with town? Just the majority of scum kills early on happened during the night, which looks like the vig was on our side.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:06 pm Here is my gut-town "player salad." Based off what I've seen from these players, I'm town reading them, and wouldn't mind a lynch of anyone not on this list:
DharamaHelper
juliets
karavalenge
nutella
Quin
Sloonei
Timmer
Why is Kara there

I somehow get quin and sloonei being on there but why kara

Kara feels genuine. He got frustrated at earlier suspicions, and wrote a long post about it that didn't seem like something a scum would write.

Here is my gut-town "player salad." Based off what I've seen from these players, I'm town reading them, and wouldn't mind a lynch of anyone not on this list:
DharamaHelper
juliets
karavalenge
nutella
Quin
Sloonei
Timmer

@nutella what did you think Poutanko said that could have been a slip?

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:25 pmI don’t see a world where Colin is scum and Pout is town.
We can try by lynching you, afterall you did make a wagon to counter LC/Colin wagon and Jay did go after you

Did that happen? Interesting. The main reason I town read Jack was because he was one of the first to town read me. I know that is a very lame reason to town read anybody, so I am open to looking into Jack a little more.

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:19 pm I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:17 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:13 pm Here's what I didn't like about Colin. We have a scum-firmed INH in the game, and he acts scared of lynching him (in case it's a trap), and suggests lynching speed instead, who we now know is town. It struck me as odd then, and especially now that speed has flipped town.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:51 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:37 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:22 pm I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery. But I really don’t kniw how to handle any of this. You aren’t going down like a scum who has been caught unless you’re laying traps, but why would we listen to you if you flip bad anyway?

I think it’s possible Speed is town but it’s probably for the good of the town that we either lynch him now and get time to sort this out after, or lynch INH and vig him/lynch him shortly thereafter. Which is weird to say, but, uh, yeah.
In no universe does it make sense to lynch speedchuck before we lynch INH.
Except if:
A. There is a reasonable suspicion of scum trickery involved with lynching INH today
B. Solving the speed-Quin-whatever stuff is more valuable to us collectively than having INH dead

I dunno the answer to either point.

Dost thou believe Poutanko's foul bewitchment is equally suspect?

Art thou asking if I think Poutanko is scum? I do think it a possibility.

Here's what I didn't like about Colin. We have a scum-firmed INH in the game, and he acts scared of lynching him (in case it's a trap), and suggests lynching speed instead, who we now know is town. It struck me as odd then, and especially now that speed has flipped town.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:51 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:37 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:22 pm I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery. But I really don’t kniw how to handle any of this. You aren’t going down like a scum who has been caught unless you’re laying traps, but why would we listen to you if you flip bad anyway?

I think it’s possible Speed is town but it’s probably for the good of the town that we either lynch him now and get time to sort this out after, or lynch INH and vig him/lynch him shortly thereafter. Which is weird to say, but, uh, yeah.
In no universe does it make sense to lynch speedchuck before we lynch INH.
Except if:
A. There is a reasonable suspicion of scum trickery involved with lynching INH today
B. Solving the speed-Quin-whatever stuff is more valuable to us collectively than having INH dead

I dunno the answer to either point.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:57 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:54 pm Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?
I hadn't even considered Colin but my thoughts are I'll wait to hear what you have to say. If Colin is bad doesn't that mean poutanko is bad? I mean could she have really gone wrong twice?

Yes, that is very much still an option.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:56 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:54 pm Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?
My thought is you should expound.

Sure. I can work on that while I eat my dinner. I remember having a not-so-great feeling about Colin, so I'll go back and pull some of his posts up.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:51 pm Anyway pretty neat how Speed was in Hufflepuff and flipped civ.

You don't think a house can exist with only civs? I'm pretty sure the houses were established, then scum were randomly selected from the player list. No way it's as easy as "at least one scum per house"

Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:44 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:24 am I'm so behind. Thanks for the extra long night phase, DDL. So what's going on here?
Jay and nutella are doing an interactive spreadsheet to map out who looks bad. Then town is going to work the spreadsheet as a group.

There is no resolution to the Quin v. Speedchuck issue. At least in my opinion. speed has a different opinion and so does Quin.

DH doesn't seem to want to participate anymore, hopefully he will change his mind.

There's a lot of other stuff but those are my highlights.

Thanks Juliets!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:18 pm Somebody else propose things for me to naysay.
Mac is scum because he farted on the vig kills.

Sprityo is town because he doesn't feel any duty to put forth full effort for his team.

Sloonei is town because Owner was town.

Colin is scum because of how quickly the Glorf wagon picked up when the lynch was between Colin and Long Con. (I know this one paints me in shadow and I don't care.)

Have fun.

Poutanko claimed she copped Colin, and he was town, right? And she copped you and you're scum. You say it is exactly opposite from what she said. And yet you still believe she is town? If you are indeed town, then Poutanko and Colin would make a lot more sense as scummates.

I'm so behind. Thanks for the extra long night phase, DDL. So what's going on here?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:52 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:40 pm I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.
Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?
*raises hand*

Epi wasn't inactive tho.

True, he does have two pages worth of posts. Do you have suggestions?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:57 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:43 pm Oh right creatures are not one shot powers. Wild.
Creatures are all one shots. But there are restrictions on the night (even or odd) you can use it.
No, only Phoenix, hippogriff and thunderbird are one shot.

oops, I just assumed they all were

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:40 pm I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:43 pm Oh right creatures are not one shot powers. Wild.

Creatures are all one shots. But there are restrictions on the night (even or odd) you can use it.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:22 pm I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery. But I really don’t kniw how to handle any of this. You aren’t going down like a scum who has been caught unless you’re laying traps, but why would we listen to you if you flip bad anyway?

I think it’s possible Speed is town but it’s probably for the good of the town that we either lynch him now and get time to sort this out after, or lynch INH and vig him/lynch him shortly thereafter. Which is weird to say, but, uh, yeah.

In no universe does it make sense to lynch speedchuck before we lynch INH.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:24 am poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?

I have a theory that people's avatars affect other's views of their posts. Maybe I should change mine to a cute animal and see what happens

Long Con's mentions of Bullzeye (a.k.a Speedchuck 2.0)

When Timmer and Bullzeye get put on the table for suspicious things, Long Con throws shade at timmer, but excuses Bullzeye:

Spoiler: show

Then when called out on what Bullz did actually being scummy, goes "LOL, okay"

Spoiler: show

Long Con "Would rather Bullzeye come in and defend himself before Long Con says any more about it." Which MacDougal challanges:

Spoiler: show

Decides "Bullzeye is off the table" in favor of lynching me.

Spoiler: show

Suddenly feels good about timmer, because timmer is vouching for Bullzeye:

Spoiler: show

To me, Long Con's mentions of Bullzeye (a.k.a. Speedchuck) look like they could be teammates.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:54 am I was hoping to finish these tonight, but I am too tired. Bye.

Hey, I noticed some strange interactions between Long Con and Bullz that you pulled back up in both mine and Nutella's analyses. Since you're away, I want to go ahead and pull those up.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:46 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:30 pm Pout is still good BTW. No way she fakes a cop on me.

I'll just solve the game right quick on Day 4 so I don't have to worry about anything afterward no problem at all.
Why is she good?
Because faking a cop would be outlandish and super risky.

Are you saying you're bad?

karavalenge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:46 pm Looks to me like the whole mafia is on Speed.

I'm thinking the same thing. [mention]poutanko[/mention] needs to get back in here and talk to me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:30 pm Pout is still good BTW. No way she fakes a cop on me.

I'll just solve the game right quick on Day 4 so I don't have to worry about anything afterward no problem at all.

Why is she good?

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:07 pm ....it's not read
N1 - Bullz
N2 - Colin

are you claiming divination?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:47 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:44 pm this only raises more questions
Ask them.

Considering that a vig quite probably murderified LC, I don't want to out everything without thinking about it.
what's screwy about my night action?
You somehow visited LC.

You weren't the only one.
whatever it was, it wasn't a dark art.

Could Speed or Quin be bad? 'Cause it looks like one of you is lying.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:33 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:30 pm I am going to try to do a big fuckin interactive analysis of Luna and the scum so nobody else do it
LOL at Colin intent on interrogating the towniest looking townie while ignoring INH being presented to us with a noose around his neck and sign that says "lynch me"
1. You ain't the towniest looking townie
2. So what if he wants to hunt while secure in the knowledge that we'll lynch a mafia no matter what. You just gonna sit on your hands all day?

I didn't say he couldn't hunt. I'm just amused

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:30 pm I am going to try to do a big fuckin interactive analysis of Luna and the scum so nobody else do it

LOL at Colin intent on interrogating the towniest looking townie while ignoring INH being presented to us with a noose around his neck and sign that says "lynch me"

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:23 pm So INH aside, I think Luna needs to have intense pressure applied today. I think her and LC were bad together in U-Pick (unless they were on oppo teams) so lemme check that real quick.

Bring it

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

and you know that how?

What are we supposed to do with a scum-firmed player in the game? Like do we lynch them again? Torture them to find who their teammates are? This has never happened to me before.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:26 pm Almost getting some TMI vibes from this convo though as if Luna and/or nut know LC’s alignment already.

I'm currently assuming Long Con is bad because he was not lynched. I agree with DH and Jay that lynch immunity is not a civilian ability. It would make sense if LC is scum.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:24 pm I thought it was obvious what my post meant.

It was obvious. You bookmarked me for a scum read later based on what I said. I was just wondering if you had anything to add to that. like what was your read on me before this post? Bonus points if you want to call out anyone else who might be bad if LongCon flips bad.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:35 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:27 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:26 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.
If LC is bad, remember this post.
Why? You think we're teammates and I'm bussing him?

How do other people feel about the initial quote?

I asked what you thought, Colin. Then you shrug, and look around the room for validation instead of responding to my question. This doesn't look very good for you.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:03 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:06 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:53 am Ok so since people asked

juliets has kill immunity tonight, to go in line with previous replacements.
Poor juliets, she just replaced in and it looks like the mafia already tried to take her out. :P

And here I was thinking maybe someone was trying to protect me needlessly.

I mean, that could also be the case

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:26 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.
If LC is bad, remember this post.

Why? You think we're teammates and I'm bussing him?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:53 am Ok so since people asked

juliets has kill immunity tonight, to go in line with previous replacements.

Poor juliets, she just replaced in and it looks like the mafia already tried to take her out. :P

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