The Syndicate

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:55 pm I wish sig and nut were vocaroo posting this.

seconded

dammit, no! I wasn't ready to die.

You townies had better pull out a win for me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:25 pm I don’t know if I’ve ever led a successful lynch on a scum in a game without being the cop, tbh

Speaking of which, if the cop is still alive, they need to get in here and push some suspicions if they have gotten any scum checks.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:39 pm Luna I want to believe you, but I also want to believe that I am fucking brilliant and capable of cracking a game open like this *fingersnap*

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:48 pm What I'm saying is, I'm kind of like the Peyton Manning of playing Mafia.

I know you think you're brilliant Colin, but calm down buddy.

For ease of reading, I'll just color my comments like this.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:33 am Lunalee:

Luna's first pingy moment comes when she does this D1, after saying that she didn't like the idea at all and sort of walking it back but not really:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:50 am I'm going to [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine because I think it would be cool to try a randomized day one lynch, and DDL is the next one down on the poll who needs a vote.
She looks throughout D1 as if she is hoping somebody will just tell her to vote for so that she doesn't have to come up with a reason she knows is fake based on almost nothing. It's a perennial scum dilemma and not everybody handles it so well.
Okay, you're not wrong here. I hate day one lynches. It takes time for me to get a read on people, and on day one I sort of hope for any easy scum-tell to go off of.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:34 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Spoiler: show
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:07 pm Part of the problem with my nutella pings is I notice them almost right off the bat - maybe not her first post but by her second or third I'm feeling uneasy. This time I haven't had that feeling at all. I'm not saying it's AI because I seem to be pinged by her when she is good and bad. Because I'm not pinged this time I'm neutral on her.
This post feels like teammates.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:13 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:55 pm So why are you voting Dom and not nutella?
Dom pinged me for other reasons. I've explained them earlier. Tonal meta.
@Marmot I may switch to Dom. I trust speedchuck is town, and he has a better read on Dom's meta than I do.
This post feels like bandwagoning.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:14 pm Agree here and if speed suspects Luna he's probably onto something
This post also feels like bandwagoning.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:17 pm My later posts say the opposite.

I've been burned too many times by Luna for underestimating her. I will not be doing that this game.
This post feels like legit frustration.

Gotta love couples in mafia games. So much delicious WIFOM to analyse, from themselves and others.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:05 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:40 pm
lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:38 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:13 pm

I think all the votes for her came before she complained about the beans.
Yeah seriously somebody explain to me why??? Barely said anything that looked sus yet I'm accused
I voted for you by default for not posting. Idk why others did.
I voted for the same reason lap. But now you are posting so I'm going to move my vote to the lowest poster nova who as far as I can see just posted his story and has posted nothing else. He was a low poster in a recent game I just played and was bad.

[VOTE: novaselinever] aubergine
This post feels like really lazy.

Civ Juliets is not lazy iirc.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:07 pm INH’s post tonally was so false to me that I don’t think I’ll be defaulting to nova.
I dunno about Dom. Hard to read I guess.
Epignosis is not in this game but if he was I feel like he's have stuff to nitpick about this word usage.

I think.

I guess.

I want to clarify something about my town meta, DDL. When I'm town I'm a lot more adventurous with my posts, sometimes at the risk of getting lynched early. Also If I were on a scum team with Marmot, I would not be communicating with him in thread like this, I would use our BTSC. I'm insulted that you think I would be that obvious.
Anybody else think the "I'm insulted" bit looks a little heavy-handed? As in, are you really?

The biggest thing in Luna's favor, imo, is that she essentially built the case against Long Con and deserves credit for his lynch. It's possible that the team made a conscious decision to bus him, and Luna did a fair amount of bussing in U-Pick as I recall, so we should examine whether those reasons are contrived:
If this was planned, it would be an amazing, well thought out scum-play. And those kinds of things just aren't very likely. Sometimes the simplest solution, is in fact correct.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 am Long Con seems more excited about screaming at the music videos than posting real content, so I'm going to look at him for a second.

He shoots down sig's proposition on day 1, but come on, who didn't.
He missed the day one vote.
He ended up on DDL's list of screaming banshees, but I'm not convinced that means anything.
Put off replying to sig with what he thought about the day 1 lynch.
Continues to scream back at King Ramses
Asks speedchuck and Kylmii why they voted for him (on what I assume was the day one poll?).

Overall feel on Long Con: He seems lazy in this game, and not very helpful. I give him a read of probably scum.
Ask yourself this: looking at the same pieces of evidence, would you come to the conclusion that Long Con is "probably scum"? I sure wouldn't, but I want other people to know. If Luna is scum, this is incredibly crafty of her, but insufficient reasoning would betray her here. It's made even more complicated by the fact that she reads sig later on with more stuff to go off of but is hesitant to give him as convicting a sentence. Hmm hmm hmm.

I thought I gave them the same consensus, but I deemed sig "could possibly be scum." It mean's "IDK." If you remember, I wasn't even confident enough in my Long Con analysis to leave my vote on him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:11 pm From what I see of nutella's posts, she is very set on getting speed lynched. And speed is trying very hard in this game, which makes him a threat to town mafia. I don't like that look on nutella. She also seems needlessly concerned with the King Ramses sock puppet account. At this point I don't see a reason to be concerned with a sock puppet account that posts random weird videos. And she's voting Lapluie, who I'm also looking at. So they are probably not team mates.

Lapluie looks like low-hanging fruit to me right now. She had a bit of a slow start, and appears to be struggling to keep up. I don't have reason to think she's not town, and I don't want to lynch her today, but I'll definitely be keeping my eye on her.

In fact, after looking at lapluie's posts, if just makes nutella seem that much more scummy for jumping from speed to lapluie. It's like she realized speed wasn't going down easy, so she found a easier target.
This post though does ring true as far as what I know about Luna's town meta. It's a perfect 1:1 replica of her town thinking if she is not actually town, at least as I understand it.

The tinfoil is strong with this one. The tinfoil, pending further discussion, says Luna is on a scumteam with Long Con and they're playing a long con of their own by sacrificing him to earn our trust, and Luna was the point man carrying it out. The evidence does not directly confirm the tinfoil though and I have to say there are proooooooobably more town points than scum ones.

If you need this much tin foil to see me as scum, then it is a far reach. I recommend you take it off.

Lunalee has earned a RED BADGE OF COURAGE (BUT POTENTIALLY RED IN A REALLY BAD WAY, LIKE RED = SCUM)

Colin, I like the effort you're putting in right now. You've given me a lot of content to mull over, and I like it. However, I do have a lot to say about your analysis of myself. Short answer: I'm not scum. I'll quote your original post to expound on that.

In general, I don't like end-of-day vote switches. I've never seen scum actually lynched that way.

I do not have as much time to do stuff in thread today as I would like. So here's my thought-vomit post, hopefully followed by a competent vote:
I notice Colin seems like the popular train. I may trust the suspicions there and join it.
Vompatti is voting for Sig. I did suspect Sig yesterday, but he has responded to stuff since then, and I don't want to lynch him yet.
Why no one suspects nutella anymore when she was almost lynched on day 2 is a bit confusing to me. Did we just reason that suspicion away?
I don't know if I trust INH anymore. His hot-tub of trust seems like an excellent mafia ploy to "buddy" with the towniest of townies, and avoid getting lynched.
Lapluie feels like a low-poster lynch (unless she's actually done more today, and I missed it), and I don't think the scum team would be so apathetic to have two low-posters on it (Long Con and Lapluie). But if so, that's sort of unlucky for them.

I feel like regardless of my vote, Colin will probably get lynched today, and I'm okay with that. So I'm going to place my vote on INH for now because I don't have a good gut feeling on him. If you people change your mind on Colin you can join me.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:22 am Could it be that Juliets death was the result of a redirect?

I guess nobody can answer that, but it needs to factor into our analysis. It's possible that one of the town players just killed a scum by finding another scum and redirecting them. Or even making them self-target, if it can do that.

I don't think that's very likely. Also the redirect role says:
"Hangs out in space, casually swinging his racket at various objects. Redirects every Night any power a player of his choice is targeted with to a random second player."

But I don't know why Juliets would have been targeted.

Thanks for the detailed analysis speedchuck.
I want to look into sig. I didn't get the best feeling from his posts during/after the Long Con lynch, so I'm going to tin-foil that he's LC's team mate for a minute and see what that would look like.

He does vote Long Con, but it looks like he could also be hoping LC comes in and gives a defense so he has an excuse to move his vote

the LC/sig interaction where LC shames sig for acting like Epi. Colin points out that it could be a team mate interaction

Sig's response to INH.
Side tangent: Sig is in favor of lynching Ramses. According to Rico's role post, it says that both the civs and mafia "must possibly defeat King Ramses" I had missed this before, so it looks like it is possible that the sock puppet account is linked to a player, and the way to defeat King Ramses is to lynch that player.

Sig comments that it would be incredible if both LC and nutella were scum, because what are the chances, right?
I don't think it's likely, but if nutella, LC and sig were on a team together, this would be hilarious.

Sig is suspicious of my vote on nutella
Maybe it's just because I was riding off this high of helping get a mafia lynched, but this post just felt like cold water. I know I should have switched my vote back to Long Con to get "ultimate town cred" but I didn't, because I'm usually hesitant when it comes to lynches. Either way, at this point I have become a minor threat to mafia, and if sig is LC's team mate, he would want to frame anything I do as suspicious to get me lynched.

Decides to move on from INH because no one is buying it.
Could be a scum-tell to pursue a certain player, then back off when it doesn't catch on.

Final consensus on sig: could possibly be scum. I'm not ready to lead a lynch on sig tomorrow, but I will keep my eye on him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:30 pm God I feel like a male milk cow in this game. Sorry for my lack of reads or investigative journalism. I’m working more than normal this month to prepare for my departure in July (which btw is going to be a problem should this game not be over by then and I’m still alive)
Bruh I will townread you for all of day three if you download and rehost the poll images for me.

I would rather Scotty have a chance to read the thread and give input than fix the images for you. You can see them on your phone, right speed?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:49 pm Like, no offense, but the hot tub of trust sounds like something a predator would do. "Here, random strangers, get in my hot tub with me!"

Plus, you don't even see inh's face. It's got bandages on it.

Hm good point.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:20 pm A hearty Epizootics to all you cool cats and cowardly dogs, it's time for some more inductees to my HOT TUB OF TRUST. Now, currently chillin' (or should I say, heatin') in the TUB are myself, Niju, Fractal, and Vompatti. Now, I'm not sayin' that this is an impeccable alliance that will dominate the game and run roughshod over the baddies, but I'm also not not saying that, capeesh?

Without futher ado, I'd like to welcome to the braintrust SPEEDCHUCK. Speed, your analysis posts read like how I'd imagine my firstborn's birth certificate would read. And I don't even like kids! Needless to say, I'm picking up what you're putting down, and am willing to follow you along on your analytical journey.

Secondly, I'd like to add LUNALEE. Her performance in this game seemingly reflects genuine effort in ways I didn't see in U-Pick, when we were scumbuddies. In addition, I like her case against Long Con. The only reservation I have about her is how she was so eager to do a flipperino over to Nutella. Seemed a little cheap, especially when she was the one who helped construct the LC case in the first place. Nevertheless, I feel like her head is in the right place, so I'm willing to add her to the TUB-TEAM.

That's all the new business for today. I'd advise people to stay true to themselves, believe, and look to the stars often, and they may, someday, also find themselves soaking in the HOT TUB OF TRUST.

Aw yeee, I'm in the hot tub of trust. Thanks for the invite, INH!

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:14 pm Way to make me work for a reveal.

I'm not that great at matching up colour to black and white it turns out.

Well done peoples. Well done Luna in particular.

Thank you Golden

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:35 pm OOOOKAY so just looking at the vote break down I'd say Frac and Blooper look the best since they stuck with nutella both days, Speed switched from Nutella day 1 to LC day 2. The oddest vote for Nutella would be Luna who built the case on LC, but then didn't vote there? I also dislike Kyle's vote that ended up tieing it before Golden broke it. That combined with refusing to break the tie yesterday is meh. Now I do need to reread and see their reasoning, but from what I remember the case on nutella was the same day 2 as it was day 1.

No sig. I put my vote on Long Con first. I then moved it to nutella before the Long Con lynch became a train because I was in and out near end of day, and I decided not to move it back because Long Con wasn't here to defend himself. I sort of wish I had moved it back, but I'm glad he ended up lynched.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:40 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:09 pm Golden, I give you credit since you broke the tie, so unless Nutella is scum with a better role I don't see why you'd have voted for lc.
this is a small detail but when golden voted it wasn't a tie, but he did put LC at +2 from nutella, before my vote changed that to +1
When I voted for LC I took it from 6-6 to 7-5, so I did technically break the tie, although that had nothing to do with the reason I changed my vote.

Thanks for breaking the tie. I really should have changed my vote back to Long Con like I was considering.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:22 pm Nutella, golden, and luna definitely come out of this nice.

I will say a lot more on this tomorrow. I'm not even caught up.

I have earned speedchuck's trust!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:31 pm If we flee LC,
and decide not to gut the Nut,
what should we do on day 2?

Blot the Scott?

Stomp the Vomp?

your attempt at puns hurts me

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:30 pm For now I’ll vote [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

This is mostly a vote of confidence in Luna, and subject to change if I find time to do isos

Aw, I'm flattered Golden

but also worried I'll get thrown under the bus if she flips town.

Fractal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:24 pm
Fractal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:24 pm i'd prefer to get nutella today probably. Would also feel good to know if yesterday's wagons were town/town or town/scum, but mainly i think nutella is more likely to flip mafia
this is in response to luna

Thanks Fractal

I sort of want to switch my vote back to Long Con, but I'd feel bad lynching him while he's not here to defend himself. Should I do it anyways, or naw?

I need to be away the rest of the day to focus on other tasks, so I'm moving my vote to nutella.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:27 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:14 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:11 pm From what I see of nutella's posts, she is very set on getting speed lynched. And speed is trying very hard in this game, which makes him a threat to town.
*raises eyebrow*
Ugh, no. I meant that made you a threat to mafia. My bad.
TINNNNNNNN FOIL MODE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACTIVE!

That was a Freudian slip, they're both mafia and him trying hard = threat to town.

No. It was a typo. Don't get too excited

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:14 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:11 pm From what I see of nutella's posts, she is very set on getting speed lynched. And speed is trying very hard in this game, which makes him a threat to town.
*raises eyebrow*

Ugh, no. I meant that made you a threat to mafia. My bad.

From what I see of nutella's posts, she is very set on getting speed lynched. And speed is trying very hard in this game, which makes him a threat to town. I don't like that look on nutella. She also seems needlessly concerned with the King Ramses sock puppet account. At this point I don't see a reason to be concerned with a sock puppet account that posts random weird videos. And she's voting Lapluie, who I'm also looking at. So they are probably not team mates.

Lapluie looks like low-hanging fruit to me right now. She had a bit of a slow start, and appears to be struggling to keep up. I don't have reason to think she's not town, and I don't want to lynch her today, but I'll definitely be keeping my eye on her.

In fact, after looking at lapluie's posts, if just makes nutella seem that much more scummy for jumping from speed to lapluie. It's like she realized speed wasn't going down easy, so she found a easier target.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:56 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:55 pm It looks like I may have to choose between Lapluie or Nutella if no one wants to vote Long Con with me. Who should it be?
Convince us on one and we'll go with you.

Or tell us if you think those two are town and that we should vote LC. I'm all ears. And also eyes.

I already posted what I think of Long Con if you're interested. I'm about to look closer at Lapluie and Nutella though

It looks like I may have to choose between Lapluie or Nutella if no one wants to vote Long Con with me. Who should it be?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:37 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 am Long Con seems more excited about screaming at the music videos than posting real content, so I'm going to look at him for a second.

He shoots down sig's proposition on day 1, but come on, who didn't.
He missed the day one vote.
He ended up on DDL's list of screaming banshees, but I'm not convinced that means anything.
Put off replying to sig with what he thought about the day 1 lynch.
Continues to scream back at King Ramses
Asks speedchuck and Kylmii why they voted for him (on what I assume was the day one poll?).

Overall feel on Long Con: He seems lazy in this game, and not very helpful. I give him a read of probably scum.
Have you familiarized yourself with DDL’s ideas about the screaming?

I found this post, but it still seems inconclusive and bit far-fetched to me.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Long Con seems more excited about screaming at the music videos than posting real content, so I'm going to look at him for a second.

He shoots down sig's proposition on day 1, but come on, who didn't.
He missed the day one vote.
He ended up on DDL's list of screaming banshees, but I'm not convinced that means anything.
Put off replying to sig with what he thought about the day 1 lynch.
Continues to scream back at King Ramses
Asks speedchuck and Kylmii why they voted for him (on what I assume was the day one poll?).

Overall feel on Long Con: He seems lazy in this game, and not very helpful. I give him a read of probably scum.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:24 pm Oh now I see how it is, everyone wants to welcome me.

Yes Luna, we can be friends. Should I trust you?

If you would like for town to win, then yes.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:50 pm Somebody read through speedchuck’s posts and tell me he’s not supertowning as scum.

I don't think he's scum. The only time speed "town firmed" me was when he was mafia, and knew I was town. The fact that he doesn't trust me this game convinces me that he's town.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:13 pm No one welcomed me at all.

If I had a choice, I'd choose to be a serial killer and take you all out for being so mean.

Hi Golden! So happy you're here. Can we be friends?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:16 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:14 pm DDL
Fractal
Blooper
LC
Marmot (probably)
Hey, what's this list? I'm on a list.
If you don't know then chances are you accidentally joined it for fun.

We should be able to confirm that in a few hours.

This is interesting DDL, I'm watching.

King Ramses wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:03 am Reeetuuuurn the slaaaaab.

Here you go:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Spoiler: show
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:07 pm Part of the problem with my nutella pings is I notice them almost right off the bat - maybe not her first post but by her second or third I'm feeling uneasy. This time I haven't had that feeling at all. I'm not saying it's AI because I seem to be pinged by her when she is good and bad. Because I'm not pinged this time I'm neutral on her.
This post feels like teammates.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:13 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:55 pm So why are you voting Dom and not nutella?
Dom pinged me for other reasons. I've explained them earlier. Tonal meta.
@Marmot I may switch to Dom. I trust speedchuck is town, and he has a better read on Dom's meta than I do.
This post feels like bandwagoning.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:14 pm Agree here and if speed suspects Luna he's probably onto something
This post also feels like bandwagoning.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:17 pm My later posts say the opposite.

I've been burned too many times by Luna for underestimating her. I will not be doing that this game.
This post feels like legit frustration.

Gotta love couples in mafia games. So much delicious WIFOM to analyse, from themselves and others.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:05 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:40 pm
lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:38 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:13 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:09 pm laplui e hsnt done abything other than show up and say "aw beans" why does she have multiple votes
I think all the votes for her came before she complained about the beans.
Yeah seriously somebody explain to me why??? Barely said anything that looked sus yet I'm accused
I voted for you by default for not posting. Idk why others did.
I voted for the same reason lap. But now you are posting so I'm going to move my vote to the lowest poster nova who as far as I can see just posted his story and has posted nothing else. He was a low poster in a recent game I just played and was bad.

[VOTE: novaselinever] aubergine
This post feels like really lazy.

Civ Juliets is not lazy iirc.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:07 pm INH’s post tonally was so false to me that I don’t think I’ll be defaulting to nova.
I dunno about Dom. Hard to read I guess.
Epignosis is not in this game but if he was I feel like he's have stuff to nitpick about this word usage.

I think.

I guess.

I want to clarify something about my town meta, DDL. When I'm town I'm a lot more adventurous with my posts, sometimes at the risk of getting lynched early. Also If I were on a scum team with Marmot, I would not be communicating with him in thread like this, I would use our BTSC. I'm insulted that you think I would be that obvious.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:25 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:13 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:55 pm So why are you voting Dom and not nutella?
Dom pinged me for other reasons. I've explained them earlier. Tonal meta.
@Marmot I may switch to Dom. I trust speedchuck is town, and he has a better read on Dom's meta than I do.
Okay this is a scray post.

Why coordinate with Marmot? Why trust me when I don't trust you?
Agree here and if speed suspects Luna he's probably onto something

Or I'm actually town, and speed is terrible at reading me.

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:53 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:25 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:13 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:55 pm So why are you voting Dom and not nutella?
Dom pinged me for other reasons. I've explained them earlier. Tonal meta.
@Marmot I may switch to Dom. I trust speedchuck is town, and he has a better read on Dom's meta than I do.
Okay this is a scray post.

Why coordinate with Marmot? Why trust me when I don't trust you?
Sorry for the "scray" post, but Marmot and I both suspected Niju for the same reason. She dispelled those suspicions with her response, so I don't want to lynch her now. So why not coordinate with Marmot when we were both on the same lynch train?

I'm sorry you don't trust me, and that is understandable. But your suspicions of me sort of confirm to me that you're town, which gives me reason to trust you.
You wanna clear up a bit about why you suspected niju in the first place? I didn't quite get Marmot's initial accusation (in terms of why that it was scummy), and it'd be nice to hear another player that agreed with him talk about it a little.

Sure, here was my initial suspicion:

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:25 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:13 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:55 pm So why are you voting Dom and not nutella?
Dom pinged me for other reasons. I've explained them earlier. Tonal meta.
@Marmot I may switch to Dom. I trust speedchuck is town, and he has a better read on Dom's meta than I do.
Okay this is a scray post.

Why coordinate with Marmot? Why trust me when I don't trust you?

Sorry for the "scray" post, but Marmot and I both suspected Niju for the same reason. She dispelled those suspicions with her response, so I don't want to lynch her now. So why not coordinate with Marmot when we were both on the same lynch train?

I'm sorry you don't trust me, and that is understandable. But your suspicions of me sort of confirm to me that you're town, which gives me reason to trust you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:13 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:55 pm So why are you voting Dom and not nutella?
Dom pinged me for other reasons. I've explained them earlier. Tonal meta.

[mention]Marmot[/mention] I may switch to Dom. I trust speedchuck is town, and he has a better read on Dom's meta than I do.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:36 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:22 pm speed I won't hate on you but I'm curious about nutella's placement. Usually I read her as bad even when she's good but this game nothing is pinging me about her. What have you seen that causes you to place her toward the bottom of your list?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:21 pm Let's lynch speedchuck who's with me
This, as mentioned, is a thing.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:01 pm Hey Kyle's in this game and has like 1.2 on topic posts. Kyle pls share thoughts who do you want to vote for
THIS on the other hand actually pinged me. It's hypocritical and pushes attention away from nutella, while not providing content. Nutella has maybe 2 on-topic posts, if we're being generous.
Great way to look proactive and discussion-generating while putting focus on others and not really doing anything.

It's just the timing of it, when over half the game has ~1.2 on-topic posts. Rubbed me wrong.

So why are you voting Dom and not nutella?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:12 pm I'm gonna [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

Her greatest contribution thus far is stating that she dislikes when someone asks another player for their meta, and then she describes her meta as congruent between her civilian and mafia play.

I sort of feel the same way. I may move my vote to Niju.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:21 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:17 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:11 pm speedchuck
Fractal
Kylemii
sig
Marmot
ColinIsCool
juliets
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
novaselinenever
lapluie
Turnip Head
Scotty
Vompatti
Long Con
Lunalee
nutella
nijuukyugou
Dom

Pshchow, that's a rainbow list.

Now that I've ordered everyone according to my thoughts and feels, it occurs to me that there is not a lot going on. And given that most of my deliberation was whether to put people above or below the 2 no-shows... there are a lot of town player in this game that are currently inhaling vigorously. Exhale some thoughts guys.

Hate on me for my list so I can collect more data.
Okay. I don't like your list because I'm not at the top.
Climb.

B nice

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:50 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:38 pm Has lapluie posted?
Not that I've seen.
She's checked into the scumchat. She should be here soon.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:11 pm speedchuck
Fractal
Kylemii
sig
Marmot
ColinIsCool
juliets
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
novaselinenever
lapluie
Turnip Head
Scotty
Vompatti
Long Con
Lunalee
nutella
nijuukyugou
Dom

Pshchow, that's a rainbow list.

Now that I've ordered everyone according to my thoughts and feels, it occurs to me that there is not a lot going on. And given that most of my deliberation was whether to put people above or below the 2 no-shows... there are a lot of town player in this game that are currently inhaling vigorously. Exhale some thoughts guys.

Hate on me for my list so I can collect more data.

Okay. I don't like your list because I'm not at the top.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:14 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:09 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:07 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:06 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:49 pm
Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:45 pm Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?
Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.
It's a better vote than random-voting.
Which, Luna or a low-poster?
Both really, but I was referring to the voting for a low-poster.
No. Voting me is not better than random voting. Bad option.
Why not? You liked the random-voting idea.

That notion receives a suspect score of ★★★★.

LOL, I get it. I'm being a hypocrite here. But I'm not a smart lynch option.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:09 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:07 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:06 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:49 pm
Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:45 pm Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?
Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.
It's a better vote than random-voting.
Which, Luna or a low-poster?
Both really, but I was referring to the voting for a low-poster.

No. Voting me is not better than random voting. Bad option.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:27 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:22 pm I don’t really understand the rationale behind a random vote or the endorsement of it by other players.
Statistically, if you look at the odds of a properly balanced mafia game, Town wins by randomization and roles more often than they do if hunting. The latter is susceptible to being fooled. The former is not.

However, odds of victory do not matter. We are here to play mafia, not roulette. Victory means nothing if we didn't hunt it down and strangle it.

So who do you recommend we hunt down and strangle today?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:49 pm
Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:45 pm Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?
Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

I'm open to suggestions and to changing my vote. I just don't have a good read on anyone on day one.

I'm going to [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine because I think it would be cool to try a randomized day one lynch, and DDL is the next one down on the poll who needs a vote.

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