Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia [THE END]

[Celeste]

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeetuuuuurn the slab

NABANANABABOUWOWOWOWOWOWOW

[speedchuck]

So, what, we have six hours left and nobody is being productive?

I'll probably come up with decent D1 reasons to suspect people here in a bit. Gotta motivate myself first.

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t really understand the rationale behind a random vote or the endorsement of it by other players.

[speedchuck]

I don’t really understand the rationale behind a random vote or the endorsement of it by other players.

Statistically, if you look at the odds of a properly balanced mafia game, Town wins by randomization and roles more often than they do if hunting. The latter is susceptible to being fooled. The former is not.

However, odds of victory do not matter. We are here to play mafia, not roulette. Victory means nothing if we didn't hunt it down and strangle it.

[speedchuck]

It's like firebombing a forest instead of sending out a hunting party. Sure, one of them is more likely to succeed, but there's no game there.

[speedchuck]

Reasons to suspect:

Nice to meet you Nijuukyugou! And thanks for the meta introduction, but I am wary of people who claim to have difficult-to-decipher metas. It looks like you've just placed your safety net out incase you look suspicious.

Casting bait/doubt suspicions

@Dom question why the eye?

i'm a little shit
thats why

Down on himself. Symptom of guilt over scum role? Checked past game, Dom has said he is not scum at heart.
Expected more aggressive meta.

Ugh I hate 24 hour days on Day 1. I haven't seen anything I consider suspicious yet but it's early. I'll be in and out through the morning and afternoon. I'm not sure I will be here for EOD though, but I'll try.

Lamenting the game type in leau of contributing. Something I do often as scum.

Let's lynch speedchuck who's with me

Knows that speed is an easy first lynch when he's town. Testing the waters. Or joking, IDK. Not funny. Deserves lynch.

I was drinking a soda in a dream. When I woke up in the middle of the night, I was thirsty but instead of drinking water, I had an urge for a cold soda. So I went to the kitchen to grab one, that's when I found a full can, still cold, outside of the fridge.

That was spooky. Still drank it though.

Literally hasn't posted today. Not super-scummy but I wanted to note it.


There's not a lot to suspect people for, really. Because nobody is doing anything. 5.5 hours remain.

[ColinIsCool]

Low-posters should reverse their low-posting before EOD, imo.

[ColinIsCool]

Speed, while not much to go off of, I would characterize you as behaving differently, with more urgency and forcefulness, than you did in U-Pick as town. Care to comment?

[speedchuck]

Speed, while not much to go off of, I would characterize you as behaving differently, with more urgency and forcefulness, than you did in U-Pick as town. Care to comment?

Not feeling burnt-out right now. Relishing the opportunity to play as town in a relatively normal game, which I haven't done in months.

It might fade in a couple of days. We'll see.

[Fractal]

Reasons to suspect:

Nice to meet you Nijuukyugou! And thanks for the meta introduction, but I am wary of people who claim to have difficult-to-decipher metas. It looks like you've just placed your safety net out incase you look suspicious.

Casting bait/doubt suspicions

@Dom question why the eye?

i'm a little shit
thats why

Down on himself. Symptom of guilt over scum role? Checked past game, Dom has said he is not scum at heart.
Expected more aggressive meta.

Ugh I hate 24 hour days on Day 1. I haven't seen anything I consider suspicious yet but it's early. I'll be in and out through the morning and afternoon. I'm not sure I will be here for EOD though, but I'll try.

Lamenting the game type in leau of contributing. Something I do often as scum.

Let's lynch speedchuck who's with me :smile:

Knows that speed is an easy first lynch when he's town. Testing the waters. Or joking, IDK. Not funny. Deserves lynch.

I was drinking a soda in a dream. When I woke up in the middle of the night, I was thirsty but instead of drinking water, I had an urge for a cold soda. So I went to the kitchen to grab one, that's when I found a full can, still cold, outside of the fridge.

That was spooky. Still drank it though.

Literally hasn't posted today. Not super-scummy but I wanted to note it.


There's not a lot to suspect people for, really. Because nobody is doing anything. 5.5 hours remain.

Like speed's tone (mostly in response to the 4th quote) and reasons for his suspicions (for 2, 3 and 4). Think he's likely town.

Gonna actually [VOTE: Dom] aubergine for now

[Fractal]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

[Fractal]

I don’t really understand the rationale behind a random vote or the endorsement of it by other players.

Statistically, if you look at the odds of a properly balanced mafia game, Town wins by randomization and roles more often than they do if hunting. The latter is susceptible to being fooled. The former is not.

However, odds of victory do not matter. We are here to play mafia, not roulette. Victory means nothing if we didn't hunt it down and strangle it.

In response to this, it completely depends on which group of people are playing, I've played in groups where we actually have to balance games in what would in general be mafia-sided just to make the games even, becuase people know eachothers playstyles well and are great townies. Also, there's the problem of "how do you truly randomize in a situation like this?" You need someone to do the randomizing, how how do we know that person isn't scum just picking a townie and saying it was random?

[ColinIsCool]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

[Fractal]

I don’t really understand the rationale behind a random vote or the endorsement of it by other players.

Statistically, if you look at the odds of a properly balanced mafia game, Town wins by randomization and roles more often than they do if hunting. The latter is susceptible to being fooled. The former is not.

However, odds of victory do not matter. We are here to play mafia, not roulette. Victory means nothing if we didn't hunt it down and strangle it.

In response to this, it completely depends on which group of people are playing, I've played in groups where we actually have to balance games in what would in general be mafia-sided just to make the games even, becuase people know eachothers playstyles well and are great townies. Also, there's the problem of "how do you truly randomize in a situation like this?" You need someone to do the randomizing, how how do we know that person isn't scum just picking a townie and saying it was random?

Of course it wouldn't be in the spirit of the fun of the game to randomize either, that I agree with, but I don't necessarily think it's a smart thing if we wanna maximize the % of town winning either.

[Fractal]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

I think it's a good thing for the most part to lynch people that aren't contributing much early on for several reasons.
1. It's gonna be harder to figure them out later on than someone who continues to post. And more discussion in general is good for town
2. Most people post more as town than as scum, so even if sorting by postcount can't solve games alone, i think you still should take it into consideration
3. Funnier game if not too many of the alive people are low-posting

[Fractal]

Also, fair point with regards to Luna.

[Fractal]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

I think it's a good thing for the most part to lynch people that aren't contributing much early on for several reasons.
1. It's gonna be harder to figure them out later on than someone who continues to post. And more discussion in general is good for town
2. Most people post more as town than as scum, so even if sorting by postcount can't solve games alone, i think you still should take it into consideration
3. Funnier game if not too many of the alive people are low-posting

But gotta add, if you have a strong feeling someone is scum in the high-posters, for sure vote them over a random low-poster.

[Marmot]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

It's a better vote than random-voting.

[Lunalee]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

I'm open to suggestions and to changing my vote. I just don't have a good read on anyone on day one.

[ColinIsCool]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

It's a better vote than random-voting.

Which, Luna or a low-poster?

[ColinIsCool]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

I'm open to suggestions and to changing my vote. I just don't have a good read on anyone on day one.

I can totally understand.

[Marmot]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

It's a better vote than random-voting.

Which, Luna or a low-poster?

Both really, but I was referring to the voting for a low-poster.

[Lunalee]

I don’t really understand the rationale behind a random vote or the endorsement of it by other players.

Statistically, if you look at the odds of a properly balanced mafia game, Town wins by randomization and roles more often than they do if hunting. The latter is susceptible to being fooled. The former is not.

However, odds of victory do not matter. We are here to play mafia, not roulette. Victory means nothing if we didn't hunt it down and strangle it.

So who do you recommend we hunt down and strangle today?

[Lunalee]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

It's a better vote than random-voting.

Which, Luna or a low-poster?

Both really, but I was referring to the voting for a low-poster.

No. Voting me is not better than random voting. Bad option.

[Marmot]

I'm gonna [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

Her greatest contribution thus far is stating that she dislikes when someone asks another player for their meta, and then she describes her meta as congruent between her civilian and mafia play.

[Marmot]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

It's a better vote than random-voting.

Which, Luna or a low-poster?

Both really, but I was referring to the voting for a low-poster.

No. Voting me is not better than random voting. Bad option.

Why not? You liked the random-voting idea.

That notion receives a suspect score of ★★★★.

[Lunalee]

Colin, if you had to choose someone to vote right now that's not yourself, who would it be?

Based on behavior? I do feel a little weird about Luna buying into the idea of a random lynch so easily. Seems like it could be taking the easy way out. As a matter of policy I’d kinda rather get rid of someone who isn’t attempting contributions (no-posters) but that’s not ideal either.

It's a better vote than random-voting.

Which, Luna or a low-poster?

Both really, but I was referring to the voting for a low-poster.

No. Voting me is not better than random voting. Bad option.

Why not? You liked the random-voting idea.

That notion receives a suspect score of ★★★★.

LOL, I get it. I'm being a hypocrite here. But I'm not a smart lynch option.

[ColinIsCool]

Has lapluie posted?

[juliets]

Has lapluie posted?

Not that I've seen.

[Fractal]

Has lapluie posted?

Not that I've seen.

Hey, you have any town or scumfeels from anyone yet?

[nutella]

Hey Kyle's in this game and has like 1.2 on topic posts. Kyle pls share thoughts who do you want to vote for

[Marmot]

Has lapluie posted?

Not that I've seen.

She's checked into the scumchat. She should be here soon.

[juliets]

Reasons to suspect:

Ugh I hate 24 hour days on Day 1. I haven't seen anything I consider suspicious yet but it's early. I'll be in and out through the morning and afternoon. I'm not sure I will be here for EOD though, but I'll try.

Lamenting the game type in leau of contributing. Something I do often as scum.

I might agree with you if I had done nothing else in this game, but I have been asking questions which is how I look for things that are suspicious. This was just me telling everyone that I was starting off day 1 with no suspects. You may do this as scum but it doesn't mean I do.

[speedchuck]

Reasons to suspect:

Ugh I hate 24 hour days on Day 1. I haven't seen anything I consider suspicious yet but it's early. I'll be in and out through the morning and afternoon. I'm not sure I will be here for EOD though, but I'll try.

Lamenting the game type in leau of contributing. Something I do often as scum.

I might agree with you if I had done nothing else in this game, but I have been asking questions which is how I look for things that are suspicious. This was just me telling everyone that I was starting off day 1 with no suspects. You may do this as scum but it doesn't mean I do.

TBF I did it as town in U-Pick mafia too.

But such is D1 observations.

[juliets]

Reasons to suspect:

Ugh I hate 24 hour days on Day 1. I haven't seen anything I consider suspicious yet but it's early. I'll be in and out through the morning and afternoon. I'm not sure I will be here for EOD though, but I'll try.

Lamenting the game type in leau of contributing. Something I do often as scum.

I might agree with you if I had done nothing else in this game, but I have been asking questions which is how I look for things that are suspicious. This was just me telling everyone that I was starting off day 1 with no suspects. You may do this as scum but it doesn't mean I do.

TBF I did it as town in U-Pick mafia too.

But such is D1 observations.

Yes, I understand.

[ColinIsCool]

Why are there votes on Dom exactly?

[speedchuck]

speedchuck
Fractal
Kylemii
sig
Marmot
ColinIsCool
juliets
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
novaselinenever
lapluie
Turnip Head
Scotty
Vompatti
Long Con
Lunalee
nutella
nijuukyugou
Dom

Pshchow, that's a rainbow list.

Now that I've ordered everyone according to my thoughts and feels, it occurs to me that there is not a lot going on. And given that most of my deliberation was whether to put people above or below the 2 no-shows... there are a lot of town player in this game that are currently inhaling vigorously. Exhale some thoughts guys.

Hate on me for my list so I can collect more data.

[speedchuck]

Why are there votes on Dom exactly?

i'm a little shit
thats why

[Lunalee]

speedchuck
Fractal
Kylemii
sig
Marmot
ColinIsCool
juliets
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
novaselinenever
lapluie
Turnip Head
Scotty
Vompatti
Long Con
Lunalee
nutella
nijuukyugou
Dom

Pshchow, that's a rainbow list.

Now that I've ordered everyone according to my thoughts and feels, it occurs to me that there is not a lot going on. And given that most of my deliberation was whether to put people above or below the 2 no-shows... there are a lot of town player in this game that are currently inhaling vigorously. Exhale some thoughts guys.

Hate on me for my list so I can collect more data.

Okay. I don't like your list because I'm not at the top.

[Lunalee]

Has lapluie posted?

Not that I've seen.

She's checked into the scumchat. She should be here soon.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck
Fractal
Kylemii
sig
Marmot
ColinIsCool
juliets
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
novaselinenever
lapluie
Turnip Head
Scotty
Vompatti
Long Con
Lunalee
nutella
nijuukyugou
Dom

Pshchow, that's a rainbow list.

Now that I've ordered everyone according to my thoughts and feels, it occurs to me that there is not a lot going on. And given that most of my deliberation was whether to put people above or below the 2 no-shows... there are a lot of town player in this game that are currently inhaling vigorously. Exhale some thoughts guys.

Hate on me for my list so I can collect more data.

Okay. I don't like your list because I'm not at the top.

Climb.

[ColinIsCool]

speedchuck
Fractal
Kylemii
sig
Marmot
ColinIsCool
juliets
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
novaselinenever
lapluie
Turnip Head
Scotty
Vompatti
Long Con
Lunalee
nutella
nijuukyugou
Dom

Pshchow, that's a rainbow list.

Now that I've ordered everyone according to my thoughts and feels, it occurs to me that there is not a lot going on. And given that most of my deliberation was whether to put people above or below the 2 no-shows... there are a lot of town player in this game that are currently inhaling vigorously. Exhale some thoughts guys.

Hate on me for my list so I can collect more data.

How do I know you’re not just doing (as someone so eloquently put it in U-Pick) “pro-town dickslinging” to cultivate a favorable position? Seems a little premature to have a rainbow list, or am I just nitpicking?

[juliets]

speedchuck
Fractal
Kylemii
sig
Marmot
ColinIsCool
juliets
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
novaselinenever
lapluie
Turnip Head
Scotty
Vompatti
Long Con
Lunalee
nutella
nijuukyugou
Dom

Pshchow, that's a rainbow list.

Now that I've ordered everyone according to my thoughts and feels, it occurs to me that there is not a lot going on. And given that most of my deliberation was whether to put people above or below the 2 no-shows... there are a lot of town player in this game that are currently inhaling vigorously. Exhale some thoughts guys.

Hate on me for my list so I can collect more data.

speed I won't hate on you but I'm curious about nutella's placement. Usually I read her as bad even when she's good but this game nothing is pinging me about her. What have you seen that causes you to place her toward the bottom of your list?

[nijuukyugou]

i've got a very important potential way to catch allllll the mafia, so someone please remind me about this idea that I have at the beginning of day 1 okay? okay

sig, did someone else already remind you of this? If not, I'm reminding you.

Yeah, it fell flat. I suggested day 1 we look at the people who posted about their scary experience a bit closer for two reasons.

1. Mafia tend to read the rules more imo
2. If just one mafia member read the rules they'd post it in BTSC and the teammates would do it.

Nobody else seemed to think it was a good idea, so I'm keeping it in my back pocket until we get more flips and see if I'm right.

Thanks for pointing it out though!

How did you come to believe #1? Are you more likely to read the rules as Mafia?

Well up until this post yeah, now I gotta stop so its not a scum tell.

The idea behind it is that I'm more tactical as scum and wanna look civvie so I read the rules since I care more about looking high speed/sup town.
Now Ik not everyone is like that and some civs read the rules but I've not read the rules as a civ since like my first few games here.

Your kind drives us teachers crazy Always read the directions! This has been a public service announcement.

Ugh, and infernal rainbow lists already. Welcome back to mafia, Blooper.

[Lunalee]

speedchuck
Fractal
Kylemii
sig
Marmot
ColinIsCool
juliets
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
novaselinenever
lapluie
Turnip Head
Scotty
Vompatti
Long Con
Lunalee
nutella
nijuukyugou
Dom

Pshchow, that's a rainbow list.

Now that I've ordered everyone according to my thoughts and feels, it occurs to me that there is not a lot going on. And given that most of my deliberation was whether to put people above or below the 2 no-shows... there are a lot of town player in this game that are currently inhaling vigorously. Exhale some thoughts guys.

Hate on me for my list so I can collect more data.

Okay. I don't like your list because I'm not at the top.

Climb.

B nice

[Julinook]

Retuuuuuurn the slaaaaab.

[Scotty]

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeetuuuuurn the slab

piss off

RETURN THE SLAB OR SUFFER MY CURSE

Hi Dom

[speedchuck]

How do I know you’re not just doing (as someone so eloquently put it in U-Pick) “pro-town dickslinging” to cultivate a favorable position? Seems a little premature to have a rainbow list, or am I just nitpicking?

IDK, it's pretty darn consistent with my last two town games. Granted, I got crap over it then as well.

[Scotty]

Sig has been probably the most vocal player in the thread so far. What do people think of his ideas?

The gung-ho assault on those that didn’t read the rules doesn’t sit well with me.

So that being said, he’s probably civ because that’s just how my reads of sig works

[Fractal]

Has lapluie posted?

Not that I've seen.

Hey, you have any town or scumfeels from anyone yet?

[mention]juliets[/mention]

Also, since you inquired in Speedy's Nutella read, I'm wondering at which point you usually notice something is off with nutella when she's been scum in the past? Would you've expected to already notice some pings there if she's scum?