The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:15 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:11 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:06 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:53 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:52 pm I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages
I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.
I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?
I said it thinking it was funny. And I see you didn't not see it that way. My apologies. Did you really firmly believe both Colin and I were town? That's seems like a difficult claim to make.

Right now my scum POE is narrowed down to: Sloonei, llama, and you, so I'm not saying you're confirmed scum, but I can't clear you.
Why is Mac removed from your POE?

because right now he looks town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:06 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:57 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:53 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:52 pm I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages
I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.
I'm not sure if you haven't read but I came in after the plan and I was trying to give you a 100% of survival instead of 50 by asking for a tie.

But sure, my team has been outed. Nice.
I get it. It turned out okay but tying it up would not have confirmed anything.
What do you think of The Plan?

It was cleaver but risky. It could have ended with myself lynched, and you guys would have a town-firmed dead luna, and a still ambiguous Colin.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:06 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:53 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:52 pm I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages
I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.
I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?

I said it thinking it was funny. And I see you didn't not see it that way. My apologies. Did you really firmly believe both Colin and I were town? That's seems like a difficult claim to make.

Right now my scum POE is narrowed down to: Sloonei, llama, and you, so I'm not saying you're confirmed scum, but I can't clear you.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:57 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:53 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:52 pm I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages
I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.
I'm not sure if you haven't read but I came in after the plan and I was trying to give you a 100% of survival instead of 50 by asking for a tie.

But sure, my team has been outed. Nice.

I get it. It turned out okay but tying it up would not have confirmed anything.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:52 pm I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:58 pm @Mongoose @juliets @Lunalee

Please tell me you completely understand me here.

are you referring to this?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:44 pm I think townfirming Luna does enough (given we have little else to go by) to clear luna, mongoose and juliets. It should clear me too.

Nova/Sloonei/Llama.

Sloonei tried to prevent the townclear by outright voting Colin vs. Luna (who the Mafia knew was a double voter). I think he knew he had to do it and is wifoming it away because he knew townclearing Luna would break the game.

I believe Sloonei and Nova orchestrated it and have decided that they have to turn on each other now and hope we mislynch once. This is tree Mafia all over again.

yeah, I get you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:32 pm Only time for shite post. Colin lynched. Charlie. Vanilla civilian. Night ends in 24 hours.

well that sucks. sorry Colin.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:07 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:03 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:56 am @Lunalee Are you fine with how the votes are right now?
not sure what they were at the time you posted this. I'll be fine with it if we lynch colin though.
How about now?

it could work, but still too close.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:56 am @Lunalee Are you fine with how the votes are right now?

not sure what they were at the time you posted this. I'll be fine with it if we lynch colin though.

I'll be annoyed if Colin doesn't get lynched today.

Just realized the chart is supposed to be read in columns AND rows. You can ignore my previous question [mention]Sloonei[/mention]

linki, yeah

oops, trying that again:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:47 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:43 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:37 pm To refresh: the only possible setups in the matrix with a cop are mafia roleblocker and 1-shot town doublevoter, or all vanilla. If it's the latter, then a mafia member could easily claim doublevoter because they know they can't be counter-claimed. If it's the former then Luna could easily be telling the truth. But there's absolutely no way for us to know right now.
so your two options are: both juliets and I are scum and coordinated the claims, or both juliets and I are town and are telling the truth.
No. It's entirely possible that juliets is telling the truth and you are lying.
How would that fit with the matrix you posted then? If I were lying and juliets and I were not both scum, someone could have counter-claimed. Correct?
No. One of the scenarios is that juliets (as the cop) is the only power role in the game. It would be perfectly safe for a mafia member (you) to fake claim as the doublevoter because you know that there is no such role in the game, but there's also no way for anyone to confirm or deny it.

But you're assuming that juliets could actually be a 2-shot tracker, but instead claimed one-shot cop, right? Because that's the only other option.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:37 pm

Posting this chart again for reference. It's possible that either or both teams have a doublevoter. It's also possible there are no doublevoters at all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:47 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:43 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:37 pm To refresh: the only possible setups in the matrix with a cop are mafia roleblocker and 1-shot town doublevoter, or all vanilla. If it's the latter, then a mafia member could easily claim doublevoter because they know they can't be counter-claimed. If it's the former then Luna could easily be telling the truth. But there's absolutely no way for us to know right now.
so your two options are: both juliets and I are scum and coordinated the claims, or both juliets and I are town and are telling the truth.
No. It's entirely possible that juliets is telling the truth and you are lying.
How would that fit with the matrix you posted then? If I were lying and juliets and I were not both scum, someone could have counter-claimed. Correct?
No. One of the scenarios is that juliets (as the cop) is the only power role in the game. It would be perfectly safe for a mafia member (you) to fake claim as the doublevoter because you know that there is no such role in the game, but there's also no way for anyone to confirm or deny it.
But you're assuming that juliets could actually be a 2-shot tracker, but instead claimed one-shot cop, right? Because that's the only other option.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:37 pm

Posting this chart again for reference. It's possible that either or both teams have a doublevoter. It's also possible there are no doublevoters at all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:43 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:37 pm To refresh: the only possible setups in the matrix with a cop are mafia roleblocker and 1-shot town doublevoter, or all vanilla. If it's the latter, then a mafia member could easily claim doublevoter because they know they can't be counter-claimed. If it's the former then Luna could easily be telling the truth. But there's absolutely no way for us to know right now.
so your two options are: both juliets and I are scum and coordinated the claims, or both juliets and I are town and are telling the truth.
No. It's entirely possible that juliets is telling the truth and you are lying.

How would that fit with the matrix you posted then? If I were lying and juliets and I were not both scum, someone could have counter-claimed. Correct?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:37 pm To refresh: the only possible setups in the matrix with a cop are mafia roleblocker and 1-shot town doublevoter, or all vanilla. If it's the latter, then a mafia member could easily claim doublevoter because they know they can't be counter-claimed. If it's the former then Luna could easily be telling the truth. But there's absolutely no way for us to know right now.

so your two options are: both juliets and I are scum and coordinated the claims, or both juliets and I are town and are telling the truth.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:35 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:30 pm I can't quite wrap my head around why the double voter would claim. Aren't you then forced to use your double vote that day or die that night? What am I missing (I am dead tired from work so I'm probably just brain dead trying to think about this).
I suggested it after you first claimed because a doublevoter would corroborate your claim. At the time my reasoning was that it was more valuable to have a potential confirmation of your claim than it would be to have a single doublevote. But then I decided I believe you regardless, and a doublevote claim can't be given nearly the same weight as a cop claim.

@Lunalee why did you claim? Walk us through the thought process that went into that decision. This is not an accusatory question, I just want to know what exactly prompted the decision.

1. I thought it might be helpful to have that out there to potentially town-firm two players
2. No one knows when I use my one-shot or if I've already used it
3. It's not a huge loss to town if I get night-killed because of it. If you guys can work together on lynches, you don't need a double-voter.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:12 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:05 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:36 pm And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee
I've given you my opinion on Colin. I would like to hear what you think of him.
I'm not satisfied with the details you've given to justify your opinion.

I have him as very slight mafia read right now.
Dunya also strongly suspected colin before she was targeted. I could see that as a self-defense kill if she was after too many of the scum team.

what makes you view him as a slight mafia read?
Lack of content that makes me civilian read him. Nothing Colin has said has makes me feel too strongly one way or another about him. That in itself is concerning.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:36 pm And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

Maybe it looked eager to me because he has not suspected anyone else. He sort of poked at dunya, but then later called her content "NAI" and me his "top suspect" while everyone else was either null or town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:05 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:36 pm And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee
I've given you my opinion on Colin. I would like to hear what you think of him.
I'm not satisfied with the details you've given to justify your opinion.

I have him as very slight mafia read right now.

Dunya also strongly suspected colin before she was targeted. I could see that as a self-defense kill if she was after too many of the scum team.

what makes you view him as a slight mafia read?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:02 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:32 pm Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?
Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin
What have I done to deserve this?
sorry, town reads are temporary. I don't like the stunt you pulled asking for a role claim and then turning it around on me and using it to get me lynched. And I know it's not entirely your fault. I should have stayed silent.
... but these reads came 50 minutes apart today and I "pulled that stunt" yesterday. What changed in the 50 minutes between these two posts?

I started to resent you pushing for my lynch a bit more, and realized that everyone I was town reading couldn't be town.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:35 pm This reminds me GoC Luna
Explain
Blatant inconsistencies in her rainbows/gth reads.

So I'm not allowed to change my reads on people? Sorry, but that's something that happens a lot in mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:36 pm And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

I've given you my opinion on Colin. I would like to hear what you think of him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:32 pm Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?
Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin
What have I done to deserve this?

sorry, town reads are temporary. I don't like the stunt you pulled asking for a role claim and then turning it around on me and using it to get me lynched. And I know it's not entirely your fault. I should have stayed silent.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:41 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?
Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin
Why is Colin bad? And who else is?
Why Colin's bad?
I just don't get a good feeling from going back and looking at Colin. First his "no lynch" vote following the list of reads he gave earlier in day 1 where the worst read he gave was "null"
He did strongly feel i was town, then switched on me by night one. Almost like scum colin realized he was getting no where by having no "suspects," so he turned to the easiest (in my opinion) suspect, myself.

Nova is still an enigma to me. I just can't read him.

I don't know who else is scum-compatible with Colin. Might need to look at that closer at that in case he's bad.
Why does Colin's change of mind on you look bad? Civilians change their mind all the time.

Don't worry about finding compatible team pairings right now. Who is independently suspicious besides Colin? Or, if your're having trouble with that, what does your POE list look like at this point?

Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:21 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:16 pm Okay, so I saw this and thought it was a positive point for mongoose:
thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:04 pm
Spoiler: show
Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:20 am
thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.
I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!
That being said, I don't think you would make up this story as a lie, so fine.
BUT then you later say that it's "non-alignment indicative." okay, guess I sort of missed that.
Yeah, I don't see her making up a needless lie like that. It would be easier just to own the no lynch vote and argue why it's a good vote, as many people have done successfully in the past. I don't think the fact that she didn't lie in this instance makes her necessarily good though.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:09 pm Just want to throw this out there: What has Colin done in this game that scum Colin wouldn't do?
Not a fan of this question. It's like asking people to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the town to demonstrate that lynch candidates might be bad. "You can't prove he's not bad, therefore he's bad" is a slippery, fallacious argument. The only honest answer to your question is "nothing" because baddies are capable of doing anything thta civs can do. There are, however, certain things baddies would do that civs would never do. So a better question is, What has Colin done this game that civvie Colin wouldn't do?

Personaly, I think there are a couple of answers to that, but the fact that you asked it the other way around makes me even more suspicious of you than I already was.

my bad, ask it the other way around then. I had the same intention either way: to get people talking so we can attempt to lynch scum today.

Okay, so I saw this and thought it was a positive point for mongoose:

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:04 pm
Spoiler: show
Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:20 am
thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.
I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!
That being said, I don't think you would make up this story as a lie, so fine.

BUT then you later say that it's "non-alignment indicative." okay, guess I sort of missed that.

Just want to throw this out there: What has Colin done in this game that scum Colin wouldn't do?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:41 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?
Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin
Why is Colin bad? And who else is?

Why Colin's bad?
I just don't get a good feeling from going back and looking at Colin. First his "no lynch" vote following the list of reads he gave earlier in day 1 where the worst read he gave was "null"
He did strongly feel i was town, then switched on me by night one. Almost like scum colin realized he was getting no where by having no "suspects," so he turned to the easiest (in my opinion) suspect, myself.

Nova is still an enigma to me. I just can't read him.

I don't know who else is scum-compatible with Colin. Might need to look at that closer at that in case he's bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

[mention]thellama73[/mention] I don't think I've interacted with you at all this game, but Hi, I'm luna, and I like your posts. I also feel like Colin is more likely to be bad than mongoose. And you're confidence in mongoose says a lot since I gather you two have played mafia together before.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:33 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:41 pm If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.
Well okay. I'm the doublevoter.
Are we sure about that?

only one way to find out! (but please don't lynch me just to know)

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:44 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:43 am
Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:10 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:05 pm @Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?
Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.
I don’t care what time it is or how long we have left. Votes on the poll are data and visible action. They help. Everyone should put their votes on the player they most suspect at any time.
Based on this, I’ll go ahead and vote early too.[VOTE: luna] aubergine
You're voting me because I haven't voted yet? I very frequently wait until day of EOD to cast my vote.
That’s not why I’m voting you at all! It’s subject to change by the way. I want to do what Sloonei says and be more of an active participant this day.

okay, fair. I'll be as active as I can today, so maybe we can figure out a good vote candidate.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:10 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:05 pm @Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?
Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.
I don’t care what time it is or how long we have left. Votes on the poll are data and visible action. They help. Everyone should put their votes on the player they most suspect at any time.
Based on this, I’ll go ahead and vote early too.[VOTE: luna] aubergine

You're voting me because I haven't voted yet? I very frequently wait until day of EOD to cast my vote.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:29 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:32 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:53 am If anyone missed it, I'm town
Okay Nova, but I just can't help but see that as a poker-face emoji. You're very close to getting your town card revoked from my list, btw.
What do you mean, lol?

Just that I'm losing confidence in my town read on you.

You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

oh, hi Mac, I see you brought out the battle axes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:32 pm Sloonei Mr. Supatown help me out I have a thing I'm trying to do but it requires me to create a bit of a matrix of who suspected who (with panache) during night 1.
What do you need?
Help me create said matrix.
I will do this when I’m on my laptop.

You should also include who each player picked to "town lock" on page 17:
nova picked sloonei
juliets picked dunya
dunya picked juliets, then mac
mongoose picked mac

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:20 am I just spent an entire night not sleeping so I might be insane right now, but I think you’re both town.

Ok, after reading the Nova/Mac drama, where Mac accuses Nova of being teammates with Sloonei, Sloonei says this. And it looks like something a teammate would totally do.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:53 am If anyone missed it, I'm town

Okay Nova, but I just can't help but see that as a poker-face emoji. You're very close to getting your town card revoked from my list, btw.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:36 am Every time I envision Nova posting I imagine him sitting there sipping on a drink with a smirk on his face. Everything has a snarky tone to it. His tone reeks of mischief and mayhem. He's like the guy you catch staring at you from across the room while pretending to read the paper and then goes back to the paper and pretends you never made eye contact and he has a grey trenchcoat on and a tall hat.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:26 pm ANYWAY, keeping in mind my color-coding exercise here's an inaugural rainbow list:

dunya
nova
Llama
Mac
Luna
Colin
Mongoose
juliets

dunya's easily my most trusted for the time being, but she's never to be trusted fully ( ), and I like llama's immediate entrance so there's that. I mostly feel good about nova, but I'm uncertain about some of his read progressions, and his Mac suspicion is one that could be faked and dragged out by a mafioso to get through Day 1. I'd definitely lean town on him though.

I'd GTH all three of Mac, Luna, and Colin good right now, but in reviewing their posts I found that I can't actually give them a whole lot of actual town credit. Mac's been all over the place, which is a thing Macdougall is wont to do, but it's a very easy behavior to fake. Luna's offered far fewer reads than I thought, and Colin's No Lynch vote reads very much like a player who's not concerned with looking good or bad. Outside of that, I'm wary of him.

Mongoose produced no suspects except for an extremely vague not-town read on Luna. I don't like that.
My juliets suspicion is well-documented.

Also, you already read me as good. What benefit would it be for me to fake-claim if I'm bad?

I mean I threw the claim out there because I have nothing to lose from it. It's only a potential help to town. I get it looks "too convenient" but I thought it would be better than staying silent about my role. I also get that you guys don't have to believe me, but dang [mention]Sloonei[/mention] to ask for a claim and then not believe it when it shows up is a bit silly.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:21 pm Oh wow. Soooo Luna who do you suspect?

I really don't know right now. currently looking back over what I missed with the GTH stuff during the night.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:19 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:41 pm If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.
Well okay. I'm the doublevoter.
No you're not.

I am actually, but you don't have to believe that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:41 pm If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.

Well okay. I'm the doublevoter.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:37 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.
Why did you do that?
That does seem like a waste of a cop ability.
Sorry, I had to make sure she is SOOOOOO good at looking town when she's not. That's why I was so comfortable declaring she was a strong town read, I knew I was checking her and could reverse it and tell everyone I was the cop if she did turn out to be bad.

No, checking dunya was a good move. There was no way you knew she was going to die. And you're right, when she's scum, she's really good at hiding it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:05 pm @Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.

Woah now, I see I have a bunch of notifications and everyone is listing me in their scum POE. What happened besides "Luna is hard to read"?
Also sprityo was a terrible lynch candidate. Just throwing that out there. :P

I'm going to [VOTE: mongoose] aubergine
Leaving soon to buy a car with my dad today, and not sure if I'll be back on before EOD.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:55 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:50 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:15 pm I'm adding nova to my town list:
dunya
novaselinenever
Updated town reads:
dunya
novaselinenever
Sloonei
juliets

Still a bit hesitant about voting Colin. He does look bad if you look at Sloonei's post analysis of him, but also I'm bad at reading Colin and literally just mis-lynched him in another game.

I'm between staying on Colin and switching to Mongoose. I want to trust dunya's hunch there.
What are your own original thoughts about Mongoose?

Mongoose has mostly defended herself, and given reads when asked. When she does provide her own thoughts, there is no real conclusion on if anyone is good or bad. Actually going through her ISO, I have yet to see her suspect anyone. She tends to defend rather than suspect. That can be a scum trait. I know because I've done it. I feel really bad suspecting anyone when I'm scum, so it's difficult to do.

linki: also [mention]dunya[/mention]

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:56 am Also what happened to your Mac vote? (If I'm not mistaken lol)

I thought you were with me there

I backed off my mac vote, but he is still an option. I didn't have a good reason to vote him, but I also don't have a good reason not to.

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