The Syndicate

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:16 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:07 pm
Soneji wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:53 am
Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:36 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:28 pm

you did an amazing job!!! just looking at the list of night actions I'm stressed out lol, it's really an incredible feat that you handled this game by yourself and sorted everything out.
I've been through worse. Favorites 4, one of my first games, had 58 players, bigger roles, 24 hour phases and some very poor communication between me and the other host ( @Soneji ). After that mayhem, everything feels like a cakewalk. It's just a matter of having a template and being organized.
Will I ever escape the shame of this?
It's not a shame brah, that game was super fun.

For me it's more like the initial action scene of a movie where the hero tries to invade the villain's lair but gets his ass kicked. So he has to start over and train so he has a chance of going there again some day.
It's more that it should have been the uncontested GOAT role madness game due to how brilliant it's design was but faltered due to procrastination and miscommunication. Best mafia faction bonuses, a solid set of indies including GOAT HAL-9000, a varied array of unique town roles.

...I want to do another Favorites.
I submitted a draft for Favorites here once, we could try to co-host it. Problem is you are not getting more than 30-35 players here, at best. But could be a cool way to approach it, like do quality over quantity and make global mechanics that integrate better.

Alternatively you can try to see if iwandesu will let you co-host with him next year.
Co-hosting Favorites on NF is just a given now.

Is The Syndicate really ready for Favorites? Did this game prepare them enough?

I would maybe like to try modding or co-modding a favorites game sometime, but maybe that would be on my home site. I'm not really good at day actions or most of my games fall into the category of having night actions only.

Aww, I just realized I could have used the 3p make a lot of posts tell...derp...missed opportunity.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:22 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:17 am @DharmaHelper one thing to be aware of you were far too happy or not phased by multiple townies dying. Nutella had the correct townie response to multiple townies dying, but then you on the other hand "thought it to be good news". It's one thing to say it's good news about narrowing down suspicions, but when there's 1 to none mafia deaths and like 3 townies die, your mood is a dead give away.

Luckily for you, that didn't matter this game. But if I was alive and hadn't subbed out, that would have been maybe something I might have seen or looked at.
This was not a thing I paid any attention to, so things might have gone better if you stayed.

I never gave any thought to lynching DH because there was no chance at all he was a Death Eater. I wanted to catch them, and he was not one of them. Then I easentially gave myself up by opting to protect him rather than use my Thestral the night I died.

The night in question was the night you died so maybe or maybe not.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:00 pm Yikes. although that is good news since it actually narrows who could be Jack's teammate pretty significantly.

The yikes was good, but the rest of it was not a "defeated townie" or "depressed voice". DH did say though that was just about untouchable at this point.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:04 pm Well. I was wrong about Quin then. At least I was right about Kara.

I assume vigs killed Quin and Kara and Mafia killed Sloonei because he had his solving hat on maybe. Or a redirection.

Leaves Colin standing out pretty starkly now.

This seemed okay from Mac. I was maybe giving him a slight town read for it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:51 pm

on another tangent, I kind of thought this seemed scummy.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:06 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:54 pm
Forest of Death

The students formed searching parties to find Jack. Someone saw the vapor-thing which was what was left of him go to the Forbidden Forest.

(Actually this is the kind of thing teachers should be doing, but have adults ever been useful in this universe?)

The search parties entered the forest. It was full of the most interesting magical creatures, from centaurs, to giant spiders, to unicorns. But the most dangerous creatures in there were certainly the humans.

It wasn't long before a scream was heard. One of the nearby search parties, formed by two students, moved to the direction of the scream. In there, they saw the body of Kara.

- What... just happened?
- You are about to join her. Avada Kedavra.

Sloonei fell to the ground, dead.

Quin, who had heard the scream, grabbed his invisibility cloak. He had to hide away and escape. If whoever was killing people was looking for the cloak, he had to protect it.

But someone had seen him first. And his artifact was something worth killing for.

Quin disappeared for the last time.

karavalenge, Quin and Sloonei (Hogwarts Students) were killed during the night.

Day 6 Begins!

....Well fuck.

[VOTE: colin] aubergine

Clear sign of defeat or frustration vs. DH's post that seems kind of happy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:19 am Obviously you and I were never in this game at the same time and I’m sorry this was your experience of the game, and it’s unfortunate to have subbed in under these circumstances. I hope that you’ll give us another chance. I can only speak for myself, but in my time on the Syndicate I’ve felt like this community is one of the most respectful and inclusive of any I’ve come across, online or otherwise.

From a purely philosophical/strategic point of view, every single player’s voice and opinions matter just the same in the balance of the game. Things can’t be solved in full if we’re not all weighing in and hearing each other out, ideally speaking.

And I hope that your emergency has cleared up and all is well.

My grandfather passed away at 91 years old. He had pneumonia, a stroke, and got a little bit better. But then landed back the hospital with double pneumonia and died in the evening of the same day. I got to see him some before he died. I went to his funeral, and I know he is in a better place right now.

I felt bad for you. Generally, I don't like to replace out as I know the chaos that I'll leave behind, and most times whoever subs into my slot can't fill the shoes as well or defend against whatever I previously said. I'm thankful that you didn't get mislynched though.

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] one thing to be aware of you were far too happy or not phased by multiple townies dying. Nutella had the correct townie response to multiple townies dying, but then you on the other hand "thought it to be good news". It's one thing to say it's good news about narrowing down suspicions, but when there's 1 to none mafia deaths and like 3 townies die, your mood is a dead give away.

Luckily for you, that didn't matter this game. But if I was alive and hadn't subbed out, that would have been maybe something I might have seen or looked at.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:04 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:01 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:47 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:44 am Or it could be forum bias? Well, whatever it is, congrats on nearly fooling everyone.
Thanks, and I look forward to finding out the reason you suspect me the next game we play together
I don't know if I'm playing here again. Yeah, I could have talked to dunya about it, but I was thinking of quitting a few times before the family emergency. I guess I'm of the opinion that I shouldn't need to talk to someone to get through a game.
I hope its not anything I did. You're a fun player. All the best

At this point, I don't know what triggered it. It could be you and inh, or it could have been something else. I guess somewhere I felt belittled or that my reads didn't matter or no one was listening or who knows what.

I guess it just seemed a bit rougher than what I'm used to or something.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:47 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:44 am Or it could be forum bias? Well, whatever it is, congrats on nearly fooling everyone.
Thanks, and I look forward to finding out the reason you suspect me the next game we play together

I don't know if I'm playing here again. Yeah, I could have talked to dunya about it, but I was thinking of quitting a few times before the family emergency. I guess I'm of the opinion that I shouldn't need to talk to someone to get through a game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:48 am I think that catching an independent player purely on behavioral data is a very muddy endeavor since the primary motivator of behavioral change between games is the presence or lack of extra information (known teammates or unknown). The capacity to genuinely hunt for mafia is one of the most important benefits anti-civilian roles can enjoy -- it's as pronounced in games with multiple mafia teams (and in many cases renders those games outright unbalanced, which I would not say this game was).

I didn't think he was an indie at the time. But he was playing differently in some regard. Generally, when I have caught 3p in the past, it has been for reading far into something that is generally read differently than how others are reading it. It is like they are trying too hard to push a world. Sometimes there is some proof or reason to it, but one first read through, no one else is seeing it that way.

I still couldn't believe all those cop checks that weren't questioned in "closed setup mafia game". I don't care what the check says; the game should not be mechanically solvable.

And there shouldn't be a way to be immune to death. (I guess Harry Potter lore would argue with me, but still, it doesn't feel right in a mafia game...imo.)

Or it could be forum bias? Well, whatever it is, congrats on nearly fooling everyone.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:31 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:25 am So remember when I said DH is playing different from last game and you guys didn't believe me?

I only subbed out because my grandfather was awfully sick, and then went on to pass away a few hours after I subbed out.

I guess 1 game meta can be a thing for me or at least I know have an exhibit A.

I guess part of me wants to take some credit for shaping how DH played.

But yeah, he was a bit more aggro or less caring in some ways as compared to the previous game.
Sorry to hear about your grandfather.

You'll never get me to concede that you understand my meta or that I have a meta. You're still cool though

Oddly enough, you aren't the first 3p/indie that I've caught day 1 before. You are maybe the 4th one. But it does explain why you more in my face about defending yourself, as no one else particularly had your back. And since you were pressured so early, that might have prevented you from slipping up later. Or it's kind of like when a mafia dies day 1, but the team pulls together and wins later on, as that had no more room for error.

I discovered that reverse mind melds don't exist, as Long Con saying he melded with me didn't turn out to be the same alignment.

Poutanko was obvious to me, or just has a stark different playstyle than when town.

Jack and Inh, I couldn't make out if they usually played like that or if that was their personality. I read timmer town for personality thing or something I felt most people would say more often as town than mafia, but idk.

In hindsight, it looks like I had found a slip of the mind from Jack. Inh, I think I kind of ignored him, but I probably should have realized he was bad.

But yeah, you guys need to have graveyards over here when there aren't rez abilities in the game or when all the rez abilities are gone.

I ended up chatting with DDL about what my reads were as I was kind of still following the game near the end.

I guess the picture tell on kara was a personality picture not an alignment indicative thing. But I'm glad the popcorn eating tell might still be legit over here.

Not sure, if I should congratulate you, DH, sure I put you as a light town at some point, but that was to appease the others, I was still hella suspicious of you and that's also why I jailkept you n1.

So remember when I said DH is playing different from last game and you guys didn't believe me?

I only subbed out because my grandfather was awfully sick, and then went on to pass away a few hours after I subbed out.

I guess 1 game meta can be a thing for me or at least I know have an exhibit A.

I guess part of me wants to take some credit for shaping how DH played.

But yeah, he was a bit more aggro or less caring in some ways as compared to the previous game.

*why are they walking through me*

*Floats about the corridor*

karavalenge wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:53 am
Spoiler: show

Who is ready to learn?

The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:

"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."

Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"

In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.

Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:03 pm I apologize if this has been litigated and I missed it (if so please point it out) but:

1. In Firefly Mafia, Owner scum read me in part based on a "Picture Tell" in which she said I subconciously associated with Negan and Thanos, two bad characters. Therefore I must be bad.

2. In this game, Owner scum read Kara based on a picture tell of Kara posting a Hagrid-themed comic strip. Hagrid is a good guy.

My point being, if in Firefly Owner (civ) Genuinely suspected me (civ) for being Negan/Thanos (bad dudes) that's fine because as wrong as it was, it tracks and makes sense if you accept the "Picture Tell" premise. If you accept that same premise and apply it to her Kara suspicion, its fake. She fabricated a reason to suspect Kara and the only reason to do that is if you're bad and need people to suspect.

Slam. Dunk.

1. I went onto say this game that Negan for you falls under your personality. Regardless of alignment, you might very well post a Negan photo. But if I'm comparing this game to last game, you have posted significantly less Negan pictures in this game as compared to Firefly (where you were town that game).

2. Hagrid is not acting like a good guy in the comic strip in question.

The suspicion isn't fake.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:43 pm Y'all keep talking about Owner and this picture tell thing, and referencing Firefly without directly speaking to whatever connection may exist. So I allowed myself to be myself at least long enough to do your homework for you.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:06 pm I didn't say mafia; I said scum. And for those wondering usually, I count 3p as scum. But do you guys ever get friendly 3p over here?

Tell 1: The Picture/Gif Tell (can also sometimes be called the music tell, as I use it on both pictures and music. Yes, I have in fact caught scum this way before.

DharmaHelper has used multiple Negan pictures. Subconsciously, I feel like people post pictures of villains see themselves as being the bad guys themselves. I actually did not finish watching The Walking Dead. I didn't really like Negan. Maybe if I gave him another shot he would turn out to be an alright guy, but my first impression of him made me stop watching the show. So at first, I didn't really think all too much about the Negan pictures as is it really right for me to judge Negan as I didn't take time to get to know him? But then DharmaHelper also posted a picture of Thanos. So either personally, DharmaHelper can easily relate himself to those 2 characters or subconsciously he's bad so he posts pictures of villains.
This post comes from Firefly. Do not interpret it as being a post from Hogwarts, because it is from Firefly. K.

The two highlighted portions are of interest. The picture tell is stated in somewhat general terms first, and then Owner expands to discuss the nature of DH's villanous pictures as being a potential indicator of trouble. It is unclear from this whether the picture tell as Owner knows it requires villanous content to work or if this example simply featured villanous images which fed into the story Owner developed in her read of DH.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart, does the picture tell require villains to function? You said in Firefly that you've caught scum this way before -- can you remember an example game, and on what site[mention]Owner of a[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention]

It does not require villains to function. Kara's picture tell is based off of Hagrid's actions or portrayal of betrayal. My 2nd forum game ever a guy posted batman and joker gifs as much as DH posts Negan. I was cop and checked him; he happened to be scum. I might have gotten lucky that time. In the Angels of Ulennia game that I mentioned earlier that both myself and Soneji played in, I caught someone as scum based off of them posting the Kill la Kill Ragyo Kiryuin theme. Soneji died early that game, so probably won't remember it as it wasn't directly related to him as we were both indies that game.

Unfortunately, I have a family emergency. I ask for a replacement. @Dragon D Luffy @duyna

I'll be gone a good bit of today. I'll post again when I'm home.

I guess one might call it the popcorn eating tell.

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:40 pm And why is Kara posting 1 picture of a good guy a "Picture Tell" and Poutanko going out of her way to post several offsite emotes not "picture tell"
Owner said mine was not picture tell but my popcorn emoji is

No, that's not a picture tell. That falls under a different tell.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:46 pm Just to be clear my stance has not been, will not be, and is not "Owner is bad at mafia" or "Owner is a bad player" or anything close. My stance is "Build your evidence and your cases based on this game, the game you're in right now, and be consistent with what you say and do."

- Vaguely Meta-Reading me based on 1 incorrect game is frustrating but not on the whole baddie indicative.
- Basing *this games* suspicion on that meta-read is.
- Not answering questions that are posed to you is.
- I don't like the Kara Picture Tell Read thing, because it is inconsistent with what you've told me Picture Tell is supposed to mean. Not to mention the whole concept is complete voodoo astrology nonsense.

I did answer questions, whether or not you like the response or choose to accept my answer is other thing entirely. What did I tell the picture tell was?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:07 am
The reason I thought is was strange that Owner lists you as "null" was because she seemed to have opinions on everyone else she interacted with except you.
Those were my thoughts, and admittedly I threw out my "gut read" post without a ton of thought, but it was close to EOD, and I thought it might be useful for discussion.

I'm supposed to have more opinions on the guy who barely posted all day and grinded me cause I thought he stopped by? But because of the poll system, you can't just view the votes in order oh no you have to look at the thread and hope players let you know when they voted and how many votes there were when they voted.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:40 am
I didn’t vote for you.

My mistake:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:59 pm Still want to lynch 3J, but Owner isn’t a bad call either.

You suggested that my lynch would be a good one. That's around the time votes started piling on me. Both inh and timmer voted me soon thereafter by the looks of things.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:44 pm I am unfamiliar with a “picture tell”

I read pictures and songs and determine whether it comes from a townie mindset or scummy one. Sometimes there are null ones which account for your personality, like DH with his Negan stuff or I sometimes do Loki grins.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:44 pm SORRY HAVENT HAD MY COFFEE YET LOL

As for players saying that I dodged questions, I would say Maslow's hierarchy of needs does apply here. (aka if I don't feel comfortable I'm not going to share stuff as I don't feel people will take me either seriously or won't view my potential insight as potentially important.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:30 pm Owner can you please expand briefly on those four scum reads, or direct me to already existing explanations

Colin and Luna both read me town, but then also voted for me. Both of them seem opportunistic.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:49 pm I think Colin is scum. Even before the flip, he was setting this up.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:06 pm If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.
He read me town for a little bit, but the instant things started going south for me he quickly did what felt like a 180 to me and pushed for my lynch.

Or basically, this whole if-then situation is particularly bad when both wagons are positioned on good players, which I feel like Colin knows this.

Luna had sort of a tunnel vision or was quick to think me asking what changed Colin's mind meant in her mind that I was asking where I went wrong.

I guess imo it feels like they weren't truly reading me as town to begin with. Or how else could they make the leap to vote for me?

Kara is picture tell read.

Poutanko is lacking activity or vocal presence in the thread. Town!poutanko felt very noticeable to me in past games. She just appears to be different. Also the popcorn emote is sometimes associated with scum watching town destroy each other.

*tries to relax*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:02 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:57 pm JJJ, do wagons usually form quickly on scum in your experience?
I don’t think I can speak to trends about wagon acceleration per alignment. Conventional wisdom seems to be that mafia wagons encounter more resistance and thus grow slower, but I don’t know that that’s actually true.

Why? What is the importance of this question?

I accumulated 3 votes pretty quickly, but it sounds like this sort of stat doesn't mean much to you. Colin still wants me to be looked at even though I didn't self-pres when I could have.

I didn't have a strong reason to vote for TH so didn't vote there. I guess this is where I'm at right now.

Town
Long Con
Juliets
Glorfindel
nutella

Slight Town
DH
Quin
Soneji
speedy
timmer
Epi

Null
JJJ
Kyle
insertnamehere
Mac
Jack
Bullzeye

Scum team so far
ColinisCool
karavalenge
Lunalee
Poutanko

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:59 pm Lynching anybody Day 1 always feels bad and everyone seems so happy to be here. Soneji almost never shows up to play so I'ma vote there for now.

*oh the irony*

JJJ, do wagons usually form quickly on scum in your experience?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:47 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:38 pm
Where was my vote before TH when you observed a change in my vote?
Quin, I think. I just remember you being the 4th one in the list and tying up the votes at 4.
I was the 2nd vote for TH, and at the time I don’t believe you had more than one vote.

I wasn’t around, and you made it look as though I’d dropped in to try to save you. I believe @juliets at least was fooled by that portrayal. And if you’re a mafioso, in this effort you have attempted to glue me to you, as your “partner” (in the eyes of any clueless civilians trying to interpret events) who wanted TH lynched merely to keep you alive. It’s entirely false.

I am not pleased.

I thought you did save me. But I guess it would have been someone else. I'm not trying to set up anything false. Also, if I was mafia, I'm generally more clever than that. Why would I need to tie myself to you when you were also up to be lynched at one point during this day?

I think Colin is scum. Even before the flip, he was setting this up.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:06 pm If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.

He read me town for a little bit, but the instant things started going south for me he quickly did what felt like a 180 to me and pushed for my lynch.

Or basically, this whole if-then situation is particularly bad when both wagons are positioned on good players, which I feel like Colin knows this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:38 pm
Where was my vote before TH when you observed a change in my vote?

Quin, I think. I just remember you being the 4th one in the list and tying up the votes at 4.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:51 pm Good:
Epignosis
timmer
DH
INH
Poutanko
Quin
Karavalenge
Jack

Wary:
Kyle
Glorf
Juliets
Long Con
Lunalee
Speedchuck

Shit List:
JJJ
Bullzeye
Owner
Soneji
Mac
Nutella

N/A:
lapluie
Nova

Why are poutanko and Karavalenge good?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:34 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart, why were you saying I changed my vote late in Day 1, as if to rescue you? I was nowhere near this game thread and my vote had been on TH for over 24 hours. Indeed when you said that I was in the midst of a four hour drive.

Your vote was the last one in the list of names in the votes at the current time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:24 pm Mafia:

Owner
Lunalee
JJJ

That's a player antipasto.

Going from that you are suggesting that Luna was trying to hard bus me today? I would say try again dear sir.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:13 pm Don't give OoaLH a free pass for no self-preservation imo, tis a dangerous assumption and she has allies if she's bad.

The key word being "if" here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:12 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:10 pm It was 5-4 after Soneji's vote for me, Kylemii tied it up and then LC broke the tie.
Okay, yeah, probably 4

It was 5.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:10 pm It was 5-4 after Soneji's vote for me, Kylemii tied it up and then LC broke the tie.

This is correct. I think we were still tied at 5 at 3:33-3:34.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:06 pm If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.

Even though I didn't vote there...hmm. It's kind of funny how one-sided this is.

*puts on music to start getting ready for game night*

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:33 pm Get Nutella first then look at Soneji and maybe Lonely Heart still. Why do you muggles insist on calling her Owner, what kind of thoughtless nickname is that. Always a pleasure to be mislynched by your friends So reads the last will and testament of Turnip Head.

Why do you sound desperate?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:06 pmMy comment was that we are not mafia partners because I like to discuss things with my mafia teammates, and I "spoiled" something for juliets (even though I PUT THE DAMN THING IN SPOILER TAGS), so we are not bad together in BTSC.
This logic seems unsound. Do you mean that you pre-discuss everything you say in the thread with your teammates when you're bad?
There isn't any logic to it. I've been bad with juliets before, and juliets loves chat (see: discord). We would have been talking this stuff up, and juliets asks questions about things even when bad.

So my point is this:

juliets and I are not bad teammates together.

Use that. Work with it. Bye.
Geez. Okay. Sorry I asked.
I wasn't aiming to be rude. I thought all the cool kids said "Bye" at the end of their posts, indicating they had summed up their points.

I didn't mean to offend by initiating shitty cultural norms.

Is Epi being appeasing a good thing? Like is he generally a helpful scum or not really?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:31 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:02 pm
So you are voting DH because he was a civilian in the a completely different game and you suspected him there?
I have my reasons, or it could be DH just reads scummy each game. (that could be a thing; I would need to have played more games with him to test this theory).

But I think he's being different.
So Owner, I am reading through your posts and I didn't see any further explanation but my apologies if you've already answered this. You say:
1. You "have your reasons" - so what are those reasons?
OR
2. DH reads scummy in every game but you haven't played enough games with him to know (I personally don't think he reads scummy here)
OR
3. You think he's being "different". Different from what? The game you played with him where you thought he was scummy but he was civ? What differences do you see and are you talking about differences from Firefly or some other game? If it's another game what game is that?

I know people have already commented about your suspecting DH for his play in another game where you thought he was bad but he was really civ, but I'll just add to the comments anyway: if you have other reasons (item number 1) please state them because the reasons you give here don't make a lot of sense to me. If you've already stated what "my reasons" are just point me to that post.

No one is gonna lynch him today even if I state my reasons, that has become perfectly clear.

This is my 2nd game with DH. Certain behaviors, I'll find scummy most of the time. I'm not sure if they are alignment indicative, but working to figure out what the edges of his meta look like.

He's being different from last game where he was town that game. But not everyone plays the same way game to game. I figuring out how far it stretches.

There are a few instances where DH is approaching the situation as I should know better. As if I someone is silently saying are you really gonna play this way again? Which, I've run into in the past when I have tunneled others, but it's difficult to know if someone is still within a particular meta.

If I'm alive, DH gets a fresh look at tomorrow based on the posts he makes tomorrow.

Or would Quin be with Epi? hmm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:08 pm So who’s going to ask Glorfindel if he’s bad?
Nobody do that shit. Let the man play the way he wants to play.

This will not appear in this game again.
Nobody is telling Glorfindel how to play.

ColinisAddressing others on how they will address Glorfindel, which is perfectly valid.

Does Epi usually give a summary of what everyone is doing? Or should I suspect that he's just trying to look like he's doing stuff?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:24 pm [VOTE: Sonjei] aubergine

Hufflepuffs are wimps and he’s from a poor family.

*sneer*

I'm not crazy about jack either. He might be okay, but I don't like how he's roleplaying this vote.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:13 pm
I literally quoted the same comic tumblr as Kara, yet they're scum and I'm town? ??? ?????

The mindset was different though.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:51 pm so who's mafia other than glorfindel and karavalenge

hmm would nutella point out partners...or just an observation? probably an observation? not sure

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