The Syndicate

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:14 pm It's a bit bothersome that the Falcon kill also makes little sense with Hyena is a wolf

None of the kills make any sense tbh.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:07 pm If Hyena flips cop at least I get cleared. If Hyena flips wolf then probably lynch me but then follow me when I say ejji is just wolf here. If Hyena flips vanilla town then burn this game with fire.

If Nanook is cop then I suppose it's Hyena + ejji + one of Deli/Luck?

If Hyena flips cop at least I get cleared. If Hyena flips wolf then probably lynch me but then follow me when I say ejji is just wolf here. If Hyena flips vanilla town then burn this game with fire.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:01 pm lmao why are you calling ejj scum

Trying to push a mislynch off hyena/nanook.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:02 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:00 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?
So you?
from your pov nanook lol

you’re not voting him either

Nanook what?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:00 pm Creature just trolling now

Nope, still town

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?

So you?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:40 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm I don't understand why wolves don't just kill Nook there if Nook isn't a wolf. He still looks like the seer and if he isn't then I still do

so that part is going to continue to bother me-- the fact that I didn't die make Nook looks worse but that contradicts how I feel about him.
Weirdly the fact you didn't die makes you look worse fmpov

Spidermanpointingmeme
Creature just being a wolf makes sense out of all of it.

Yes, the world of make believe.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:18 pm I’m happy with a vote on creature. [VOTE: creature] aubergine

I’ll start considering if the mafia are throwing after he flips, not before that

willing to leave the cops alive for mafia to kill.

literally the only way you can convince me to vote elsewhere is if you find the 3rd scum, outside of [nanook, hyena, creature] and decide to go for that
gl with that tho

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop
fun fact: in that case hyena would still be scummy
that would mean that they fake-claimed in order to get the only remaining cop-claimant eliminated
the agenda behind it doesn’t change

town just doesn’t do that imo

Yeah I think we just policy the liars

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:02 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop
Talk to me about this. Who’s the real cop then? You?

I dunno. Not willing to tell.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much
Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.

As much as I would love to be copcleared I think you slipped not cop.

Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 pm another solution would be just waiting it out
letting the cops get checks and killing outside of them

If the mafia want to let the real cop live- GREAT!

I’d probably have to check how many mis-lynches we have left before we lose tho

Only one free mislynch

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm I'm saying because there's no way creature is town there's no way your town check is right
There's a way if you get out of your tunnel
what are your reads on deli and finger

Both can go tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm I'm saying because there's no way creature is town there's no way your town check is right
There's a way if you get out of your tunnel
do you think I care what you think about my read lol

Guess not because you don't care about winning

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm I'm saying because there's no way creature is town there's no way your town check is right

There's a way if you get out of your tunnel

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy

I have no idea what the fuck is wrong with you

I'm tired. Can we punish the players lying about being cop?

Guess I can't stop this mislynch

Bro stop lying about shit

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

Wrong thread. Ignore

Oh shit weong thread

If someone else other than them is wolf then I blame whichever of the quintet is town.

Tempted to just go "fuck it" and just lynch the 4-5 players not playing the game.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:42 pm Quite a different approach your taking from the exile game KZA

Yeah, KZA looks pretty much caught wolf here.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:04 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:54 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:49 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:44 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:05 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:53 am

what do you think about syn?

and esooa actually :P
I believe they're both town
you didn’t even think about the answer before posting, did you? :/

Do you even have any scum-reads atm?
If you consider yourself town and town-read both esooa and son, I’m pretty sure you will either have to end up scum-reading people who are obviously town, or no one lol
So you believe Syn and Esooa are wolves?
don’t change the subject lol
If I’m telling you that your reads don’t make sense, either change them or prove me wrong
If you actually have them, that is
But you're saying that if I townread Syn and Esooa then I will end up scumreading obvtown. That suggests you think everybody else is obvtown while Syn and Esooa are wolves.
Feels like you’re twisting their words here fam, which is either scum or bad town so which is it?

Read this more carefully:

"If you consider yourself town and town-read both esooa and son, I’m pretty sure you will either have to end up scum-reading people who are obviously town, or no one lol"

What is the point of the sequence after the first comma? For me it pretty much implies if I don't wolfread Esooa and Syn I must wolfread obvtown (aka everyone else) or have no wolfreads at all.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:00 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:53 pm Should be pretty clear wolves are in danger here hence the wagon movements all look timid.
So wouldn’t that point to you now?? By your own admission? I mean I don’t actually think a wolf eouod say this if it were actually the case but talk to me.

You can refer to my post prior to this one.

I don't think wolves need to be necessarily wagoned, but if at least one of them are getting plenty of finger of suspicions (even if no vote has been placed on them yet) wolves won't want a liberal gamestate.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:58 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:48 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 pm This heavy resistance to moving off my wagon shows at least one of the wolves are at danger of being lynched if town decides to move elsewhere.
wolfy
ime wagons tend to be more flexible when they are mostly v/v and wolves aren't really in danger because wolves aren't in risk if they decide to shake things up a bit. Wagon rigidity and nearly tied indicates wolves are in danger.
Eum no, sometimes top two wagons are just town with a scum on it and the two others just LOL’ing

It's kind of my experience. When the wagons are both on town, it doesn't matter much which gets lynched so wolves probably can take a stance like "one is town, the another is wolf" and then hop in between the wagons or join a third wagon on town if it comes up. When one of the wagons are on wolf, wolves have to be a bit more decided about their stance ("will I bus or will I try to save my partner?") and they don't risk moving elsewhere and hinting town one of the top wagons are on wolf.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:55 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:31 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
What? After you said she wasn’t the best vote (not sure if u full on townread her).

You missed this post:

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:27 pm I'll probably do Alison over finger or Syn

Guess this is probably useless now that Nanook claimed cop so meh.

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:52 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:57 pm Esooa is probtown and wolves are hiding behind her fit to push a mislynch on a town that could potentially be dangerous for them later in the game.
I’d say so yea AtE potential aside, but I mean I should probably actually read the whole thread too and not just take your word fir it LOL

Take your time. However, if you, as a wolf, saw one town blinded by rage tunneling another town you would heavily consider joining them, right?

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:43 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:44 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:23 pm I townread Creature for effort but then people who've played with him came in and said it was well within scum range so shrug. Syn seemed like he was genuinely annoyed at my play which is the reason I'd rather go Creature over him. I also think he tends to go for the path of least resistance as mafia and trying to push me is not that. This isn't a full clear of him but it is enough to prefer Creature over him today.
Would ve better we try to lynch wolf today
Duh dafuq even is that paragraph by Alison. Feels like they don't want to risk town voting elsewhere and correctly.
I mean Allidon vouched for the my preferred strategy and flip town so this feels like a weird read

I thought it was pretty wolfy because it felt like Alison forced a false dichotomy that the lynch must be Syn or me when it wasn't even that close to day end and anybody could be pushed for lynch.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:41 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:39 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:56 pm if we're uncomfortable with creature maybe we just kill syn.
What if I'm uncomfortable with both?
Why we’re you uncomfortable with me in my other body?

I can’t expect Syn to have done much if they needed repping out do either TMI/Meta/Gut, can you explain why you weren’t comfortable with a Syn vote?

I meant "What if I'm uncomfortable lynching either of Syn and me?". Syn seemed pretty similar to Fall of Numbers game and felt like the suspicion on them was just playstyle clash.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:12 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:09 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:08 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:00 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:58 pm Probably not on the open seer stuff. That seems like a little much for new people.
RE Creature: He still hasn't given any reads but he has said if he were a wolf he would have-- which I do somehow sort of want to believe.
Syn has been in commentary mode all game.
Well I'm sure he'd never lie to you if he were a wolf here
Well I think it should be pretty much true that it's a lot easier for me to read everybody when I'm wolf than when I'm town, it's pretty much TMI I can't escape, while as town I can still get a lot of initial town feels but then start to doubt.

it's the self-awareness that's pinging me -.-
doesn't make it any less valid I think
No idea why self awareness is only a scum trait tbh

But eh the mech plan discussion was not what you started with in Exile pretty sure and the plan itself feels like a wolf trying to lead town astray so there’s that.

I already was planning to bring that up the next cop game I played.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:25 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:25 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:23 pm This is probably a good moment to start forming bigger wagons in general
otherwise it will be pretty much impossible to use VCA later on
VCAs are useless anyway.
But your overly confusing and just meh Cop plan isn’t? Like to get a town to align on it is next to impossible, the shut up cop plsy is the way, that’s how we won in champs S2 tbh.

Again, my cop plan can at least be productive if it is done right (everybody claims their peek, prevents wolves from figuring who is cop and if cop dies their results won't be lost). VCAs are like close to rand and often distracting.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:17 pm Sparkles does seem villagery here.

Yeah, Sparkles looks alright for now disregarding Syn.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:59 pm I think my strategy for this setup would be:

1. Hypoclaims are only done at the end of the day. Until then, everyone, including the cop, tries to sort every player as they usually would.
2. On D1, everybody claims If I am the cop, I peeked X green
3. On D2+, everybody claims If I am the cop, I either peeked X green or peeked Y red
4. If the cop dies, we always lynch Y
4.1. If Y flips town, we assume X was peeked green
4.2. If Y flips mafia, we assume Y was indeed the peek (even if they actually weren't) and ignore the X peek
5. Cop can hold off a red peek for one night, but must out it immediately the day after. So if the cop actually peeked Y red N1, they can do rule 3 and hide for the remainder of day 2. If they survive N2, D3 they must immediately out as cop and reveal they peeked Y red alongside their N2 peek. This is kind of interesting, because cop won't necessarily be forced to out immediately if they get a red peek and they might live to get another result. There would be no chance of wolves killing the cop N2 and their red peek getting away as long as town follows rule 4.
6. As a result, we can assume that if the cop didn't do rule 5 the day after the night after, the hypo red peek is false. As such, if cop didn't out D3 and ends up dying N3 then town doesn't need to follow with rule 4 on the D2 hypo, instead they just assume X was peeked green.

Obviously, rule 3 and forward are complex strategies and maybe I should start a new topic after the game. Perhaps we should at most follow rules 1 and 2 this game.
Seems overly confusing tbh

Yes. I think I should probably use examples on how that could work, but I'll prob hold that discussion for postgame.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:10 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:23 pm Alternatively everybody (including the cop) stays silent and hopes the cop doesn't end up dying before they can share their results.
Pretty much how I’d do it.

I’m reading his ISO R U HAPPY NOW?? Don’t cry

I feel like that everyone sharing a fake result at the end of the day would ensure that if cop dies, the result is not lost while also preventing the town from accidentally spewing themselves not cop by hypoclaiming green on wolf or dropping their cover too quick. However, I didn't take that town needs actual unity for that to work into consideration.

Why the hell is my notification feed at 17?

ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:34 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:54 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:49 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:44 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:05 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:53 am

what do you think about syn?

and esooa actually :P
I believe they're both town
you didn’t even think about the answer before posting, did you? :/

Do you even have any scum-reads atm?
If you consider yourself town and town-read both esooa and son, I’m pretty sure you will either have to end up scum-reading people who are obviously town, or no one lol
So you believe Syn and Esooa are wolves?
don’t change the subject lol
If I’m telling you that your reads don’t make sense, either change them or prove me wrong
If you actually have them, that is
But you're saying that if I townread Syn and Esooa then I will end up scumreading obvtown. That suggests you think everybody else is obvtown while Syn and Esooa are wolves.
Syn is in my PoE. Up to reevaluation but I haven’t gotten there yet
Esooa has good interactions. Not clearing enough to be in the town-core but more than good enough for now imo

don’t act stupid, please. You do understand what I asked about
Avoiding to elaborate on your reads and trying to change the subject to myself makes me think that they are fake and you just couldn’t elaborate on them in the first place

But then what did you mean when you said I'll end up scumreading obviously town or no one?

ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:49 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:44 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:05 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:53 am
Deli wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:02 amSZA/creature/+1
what do you think about syn?

and esooa actually :P
I believe they're both town
you didn’t even think about the answer before posting, did you? :/

Do you even have any scum-reads atm?
If you consider yourself town and town-read both esooa and son, I’m pretty sure you will either have to end up scum-reading people who are obviously town, or no one lol
So you believe Syn and Esooa are wolves?
don’t change the subject lol
If I’m telling you that your reads don’t make sense, either change them or prove me wrong
If you actually have them, that is

But you're saying that if I townread Syn and Esooa then I will end up scumreading obvtown. That suggests you think everybody else is obvtown while Syn and Esooa are wolves.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:05 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:53 am
Deli wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:02 amSZA/creature/+1
what do you think about syn?

and esooa actually :P
I believe they're both town
you didn’t even think about the answer before posting, did you? :/

Do you even have any scum-reads atm?
If you consider yourself town and town-read both esooa and son, I’m pretty sure you will either have to end up scum-reading people who are obviously town, or no one lol

So you believe Syn and Esooa are wolves?

ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:53 am
Deli wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:02 amSZA/creature/+1
what do you think about syn?

and esooa actually :P

I believe they're both town

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:54 pm I might vote Creature to save Alison and don't know how I feel about that if votes don't move though

like lol

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:58 pm hell yeah luckbox very bussing

+1

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:56 pm LB being wishy-washy is noted

Agree

Should be alarming Deli voted me for weird to no reasons and every once in a while says shit "I still think you should die" whenever I question why she is wolfreading me. She might be one of the wolves afraid the wagon movements might move to a buddy (probably Alison).

Should be pretty clear wolves are in danger here hence the wagon movements all look timid.

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