Lasagna Mafia [END]

[Syn]

the hell is a hypo besides a hypospray from star trek

[Luckbox Inc]

Hypo claiming being hypothetical claiming?
People should be waiting until their peek actually does something villagery before claiming them as a peek. That's the best way to do it.

[Alison]

I agree on Ejji, but more for her response to you asking her for her story, which came after this post you made. She sounds super-natural there in comparison to her other posts. Which post(s) stood out to you?

All of those intro posts sound good to me. I'm not going to give them any sort of weight once the game gets going but it seems like a good start.

I’m genuinely curious how useful early reads like those are

not really saying not to post them… I do it pretty much in all games as well
but I’m not entirely sure if I like me being town-read for pretty much noting, regardless if it’s early on or not
it feels just like empty words placed together just to form any sort of content

It means your range is incredibly polarized, probably.

[Alison]

Nobody should claim a hypothetical peek at all this game. That is so dumb. You are just helping the wolves figure out who the seer is.

[Luckbox Inc]

Nobody should claim a hypothetical peek at all this game. That is so dumb. You are just helping the wolves figure out who the seer is.

You do it to help them not figure that out fwiw.

[Creature]

We should hold on leaving a seer cover until the end of the day, and here is why:

- If you fake a pregame green check on a wolf, they will know you're not the cop
- If you fake a pregame green check on a town but you end up pushing them later, the wolves will figure you're not the cop

So instead we should build reads on each other and then leave a seer cover on someone we actually townread and we don't intend to reconsider anytime soon. If you're the cop, you treat your pregame check like you would treat any unchecked player until the time to leave a cover. If you're not the cop, you try to sort all players and then pick one to treat as locktown until the cop is dead/revealed.

[Alison]

No you don't. Claiming hypos gives information to the wolves about who the seer is in exchange for us knowing their peek if they get NKed. It does not help hide the seer ever.

[Alison]

Just play like normal human beings instead of trying to be clever.

[Creature]

the hell is a hypo besides a hypospray from star trek

It's optimal for every town to fake a check, something like "If I am the town cop, I peeked X green". So if you end up dying, town will know who was peeked and what.

[Luckbox Inc]

No you don't. Claiming hypos gives information to the wolves about who the seer is in exchange for us knowing their peek if they get NKed. It does not help hide the seer ever.

When a villager is killed with accurate peeks before the seer, that helps both and seer and everyone else in the village.

[Syn]

the hell is a hypo besides a hypospray from star trek

It's optimal for every town to fake a check, something like "If I am the town cop, I peeked X green". So if you end up dying, town will know who was peeked and what.

why have we renamed cop cover to hypoclaim

[Creature]

No you don't. Claiming hypos gives information to the wolves about who the seer is in exchange for us knowing their peek if they get NKed. It does not help hide the seer ever.

Depends how well we leave covers. Also, there's also the advantage that if wolves kill a vanilla town it's likely their fake green peek was actually on town.

[Syn]

mafia players need to be stopped

[Hyena]

Just play like normal human beings instead of trying to be clever.

I'm not a normal human being. I'm a HYENA.

[Syn]

the team is alison/luckbox/orangecrush

[ejjinami]

the hell is a hypo besides a hypospray from star trek

a hypothesis
hyena claiming a hypo on creature means that he got a scum read on him. He will proceed to tunnel him D2 onwards if they’re still both alive at this point

It means your range is incredibly polarized, probably.

my ego got slightly pinged but I’m not sure if I should be the one to argue here

We should hold on leaving a seer cover until the end of the day, and here is why:

- If you fake a pregame green check on a wolf, they will know you're not the cop
- If you fake a pregame green check on a town but you end up pushing them later, the wolves will figure you're not the cop

So instead we should build reads on each other and then leave a seer cover on someone we actually townread and we don't intend to reconsider anytime soon. If you're the cop, you treat your pregame check like you would treat any unchecked player until the time to leave a cover. If you're not the cop, you try to sort all players and then pick one to treat as locktown until the cop is dead/revealed.

100% agree

[Creature]

the hell is a hypo besides a hypospray from star trek

It's optimal for every town to fake a check, something like "If I am the town cop, I peeked X green". So if you end up dying, town will know who was peeked and what.

why have we renamed cop cover to hypoclaim

I dunno what's the difference. It's supposed to be "If I am town cop, I peeked X green/town". If everyone is convincing enough, it will be hard for wolves to cop hunt.

[ejjinami]

the hell is a hypo besides a hypospray from star trek

It's optimal for every town to fake a check, something like "If I am the town cop, I peeked X green". So if you end up dying, town will know who was peeked and what.

why have we renamed cop cover to hypoclaim

hypothetical claiming
meh
makes sense imo

[ejjinami]

btw, hi creature

[Hyena]

the team is alison/luckbox/orangecrush

I don't know about orangecrush, but lol if I didn't have the same thought when I saw Alison's reaction to Luckbox's red check claim.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Let's vote Alison together.

[Creature]

Alternatively everybody (including the cop) stays silent and hopes the cop doesn't end up dying before they can share their results.

[Creature]

btw, hi creature

Hi ejji

[Alison]

the hell is a hypo besides a hypospray from star trek

It's optimal for every town to fake a check, something like "If I am the town cop, I peeked X green". So if you end up dying, town will know who was peeked and what.

why have we renamed cop cover to hypoclaim

I dunno what's the difference. It's supposed to be "If I am town cop, I peeked X green/town". If everyone is convincing enough, it will be hard for wolves to cop hunt.

I have played a lot of cop setups, nine out of ten times it's not convincing at all and it makes it extremely obvious to the wolves who isn't a cop.

[Alison]

Alternatively everybody (including the cop) stays silent and hopes the cop doesn't end up dying before they can share their results.

Do this instead.

The fact that we're already having arguments about how to do hypoclaim and there have been people dropping hypoclaims at the start of the game day means that it is extremely unlikely we can pull off a convincing facade. So just stay quiet.

[Hyena]

the hell is a hypo besides a hypospray from star trek

a hypothesis
hyena claiming a hypo on creature means that he got a scum read on him. He will proceed to tunnel him D2 onwards if they’re still both alive at this point

No, I didn't have any dreams this time about anybody specific being scum pre-game. :P

[Creature]

Alternatively everybody (including the cop) stays silent and hopes the cop doesn't end up dying before they can share their results.

Do this instead.

The fact that we're already having arguments about how to do hypoclaim and there have been people dropping hypoclaims at the start of the game day means that it is extremely unlikely we can pull off a convincing facade. So just stay quiet.

can't do anything if people already hypoclaimed. It's a lot less risky to hypoclaim near the end of the day.

[Creature]

Also pretty sure wolves can tell when someone has an unexplained townread anyway.

[Luckbox Inc]

Well Creature is already more villagery than the time I wolfed with him-- although the focus on mechanics and not reads doesn't have me fully convinced.

[Alison]

Well Creature is already more villagery than the time I wolfed with him-- although the focus on mechanics and not reads doesn't have me fully convinced.

Creature is villagery because he seems like he actually wants to play the game and cares about how people play.

[Syn]

I can promise you I don't care

[Esooa]

lol at hypo stuff

[Creature]

I confess I've been only discussing game theory though.

[Creature]

Kinda wanted to use this game to apply some correct cop 13er play.

[Esooa]

I wrote up a couple paragraphs to explain cop cover before I saw most this game, I'd expect, knows how to do it anyways

I see I should have posted it sod though

[ejjinami]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
why not

hypo-claiming is fun as long as you don’t actually claim green checks on the entire scum-team. That’ll probably be my entire reasoning for supporting it.
I don’t really care about the difference between hoping that the cop doesn’t die and potentially giving the mafia info
I personally want to share my cop checks later on anyway so w/e
just not now

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

ok I see..there is a vote tag
[VOTE: Syn] aubergine
ok I'm ready. come at me wolves

it would be more effective if you posted this in the wolf chat instead
give it a shot, I won’t tell on you, pinky promise

I like you

[Luckbox Inc]

Syn doesn't seem to be trying to act villagery in any sort of way--- which I assume is villagery

[Creature]

hypo-claiming is fun as long as you don’t actually claim green checks on the entire scum-team.

That can be avoided by giving some time for everyone to form their reads on each other before claiming a green check on someone.

[Creature]

I hope there's no post limit

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also pretty sure wolves can tell when someone has an unexplained townread anyway.

This (and my total disregard for killing players) is why I'm the perfect cop

[Hyena]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

[Hyena]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

This is in comparison to Kami, who I don't feel is present and seemed to post once and dipped.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

Yeah man I'm trying not to get nked

[Esooa]

luckbox why are you trying so hard

[Hyena]

Nanook, if you like Ejji, you should try to pocket her. :P

[Esooa]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

[Hyena]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

Why not?

[Esooa]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
why not

hypo-claiming is fun as long as you don’t actually claim green checks on the entire scum-team. That’ll probably be my entire reasoning for supporting it.
I don’t really care about the difference between hoping that the cop doesn’t die and potentially giving the mafia info
I personally want to share my cop checks later on anyway so w/e
just not now

I dislike the why not added to the vote

[Esooa]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

Why not?

Doesn't seem relevant to much

[Hyena]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

Why not?

Doesn't seem relevant to much

And Luckbox tryharding is relevant, or rather moreso? o: