The Syndicate

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:21 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:57 am Jack, can I have 6 vig shots this night, please? Thanks.
But that would kill nearly everyone though :unsure:

The suspense is killing me!

[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention]
LET IT RAND

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:45 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:38 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:08 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:07 am I'm even more comfortable with my vote on Jinrou, because their "he's lying" comment is not followed up with a vote on the offending party.
would make more sense, if voting system wasnt done by a poll that i am not used to logic
And it seems long con has logged out.

Does anyone want to take a stance on why they think Jinrou and Kyle aren't voting for each other? (Especially the former, after Jinrou defended himself for not being used to the system, yet voted yesterday and still failed to vote before disappearing for the day.)

Current theory: they are scum buddies and looking for a convenient CFD, but I am open to other explanations.
Am I missing something? I never accused jinrou. I never checked jinrou, and even if I did, my role doesn't get results. I don't think I've even talked about jinrou.

That was my problem. You and Jinrou were tied at 2-2, and you hadn't cast a vote for anyone, let alone for the one that looks most likely to flip today in lieu of you and possibly spare your bacon in the process.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:08 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:07 am I'm even more comfortable with my vote on Jinrou, because their "he's lying" comment is not followed up with a vote on the offending party.
would make more sense, if voting system wasnt done by a poll that i am not used to logic

And it seems long con has logged out.

Does anyone want to take a stance on why they think Jinrou and Kyle aren't voting for each other? (Especially the former, after Jinrou defended himself for not being used to the system, yet voted yesterday and still failed to vote before disappearing for the day.)

Current theory: they are scum buddies and looking for a convenient CFD, but I am open to other explanations.

Note: Long Con's response to my pressure feels better.

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:47 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:04 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:25 pm but i want to add this

shouldn’t we normally be at parity in this moment since indiglo got offed and it’s day 4 with only one mafia member we lynched

her death should be the game deciding death in normal circumstances
Is this TMI for 4 living mafia?
Four mafia sounds like a bit much... for a regular game. This game, though, I don't know. Jinrou and his hypothetical pair of teammates would probably ask the host in private. Looks kind of towny to me.
Jinrou seems to be saying that the game started with 5 mafia (because we got one when Soneji was lynched)
Which I think is probably overkill even in a bastard game, unless our cop checks are not just bunk.

"Someone's" cop checks not being bunk might be a mitigating factor for 5 mafia.

If that is where we are, good game to the scum team for fooling us this long. But I don't think that is where we are today, so I'm thinking today just became MYLO at worst.

Long Con jumps to my number 2 suspect for one:
1.) defending Jinrou, my #1 with some pretty sketchy reasoning (fake TMI-slips come from scum more often than town, and rarely when town is already in danger of being lynched)
2.) indicating "pair of teammates" also appears to be TMI.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:47 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:04 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:25 pm but i want to add this

shouldn’t we normally be at parity in this moment since indiglo got offed and it’s day 4 with only one mafia member we lynched

her death should be the game deciding death in normal circumstances
Is this TMI for 4 living mafia?
Four mafia sounds like a bit much... for a regular game. This game, though, I don't know. Jinrou and his hypothetical pair of teammates would probably ask the host in private. Looks kind of towny to me.

Jinrou seems to be saying that the game started with 5 mafia (because we got one when Soneji was lynched)
Which I think is probably overkill even in a bastard game, unless our cop checks are not just bunk.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:22 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:18 pm That being said, I don't buy Jinrou's excuses. I don't see town in his posts, at all. I want someone other than Jinrou to challenge me on this. I could use a friendly debate.
well u dont see town in me and neither u want to argue with me about town

can’t bring the horse to the water

I know you were going to advocate for you being town. I challenged anyone to stand up for you. As you can see, we have no takers.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:25 pm but i want to add this

shouldn’t we normally be at parity in this moment since indiglo got offed and it’s day 4 with only one mafia member we lynched

her death should be the game deciding death in normal circumstances

Is this TMI for 4 living mafia?

That being said, I don't buy Jinrou's excuses. I don't see town in his posts, at all. I want someone other than Jinrou to challenge me on this. I could use a friendly debate.

*raises hand*

Raise your hand if you are a predator

I was positive you had no vote in the poll., and Indy's vote was still there instead.
This one is on me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:05 pm Lol, what if it's both Epi and Jinrou doing some cross bussing here?

More concern: you're not voting Jinrou (after you claimed you were) nor are you voting for Epignosis.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:19 am But why is Epi town though? =p

A better question is "why does Epi look more scummy than either of Jinrou or Kyle?"
You're giving Epi suspicion, and I don't believe you've made a case.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:45 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:44 am I have a hard time believing Jack would a) give out a bunch of useless cop roles while also b) telling mafia there are a bunch of useless cop roles. Stacking the deck innit
I guess. But it's kind of stacking the deck if all the cops are actually town also, isn't it?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:46 am How about we lynch Epi just for fun?
How sure is everyone that he is town?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:47 am Or just follow consensus on Jinrou

Voting there for now.

These three in particular. They don't look to be hunting, just throwing s*** at the wall to see what sticks. Maybe that's just your style, and I'm pinging off of culture clash. But it pings me. Especially since your alternative to Jinrou is Epi, and not anyone else that looks even remotely scummier than Epi.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:47 am Or just follow consensus on Jinrou

Voting there for now.

Dizzy, your actions today are beginning to cause me to cast some doubt on your townieness.

I wanted to share because I want everyone to know where my head is at.

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:38 am So, I'm not completely sold on Kyle being a civilian.

I'm currently leaning that way, depending on how Jinrou flips (which I think will be mafia) and that may push Kyle into higher town confidence. Not sure who Jinrou's partners are at that point. I know it's not me, and colonialbob seems unlikely, leaving Owner, LongCon, Dizzy, Epi, and Kyle.

But if Jinrou flips green, I'm thinking the Epi and Kyle have some partner equity.

One thing that concerns me about both of them is the lack of self preservation votes from both of them onto each other.

"Both of them" meaning Kyle and Jinrou. That last statement is unclear.

So, I'm not completely sold on Kyle being a civilian.

I'm currently leaning that way, depending on how Jinrou flips (which I think will be mafia) and that may push Kyle into higher town confidence. Not sure who Jinrou's partners are at that point. I know it's not me, and colonialbob seems unlikely, leaving Owner, LongCon, Dizzy, Epi, and Kyle.

But if Jinrou flips green, I'm thinking the Epi and Kyle have some partner equity.

One thing that concerns me about both of them is the lack of self preservation votes from both of them onto each other.

I'm even more comfortable with my vote on Jinrou, because their "he's lying" comment is not followed up with a vote on the offending party.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:29 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:10 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:13 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?
Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.
that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy
Ok, this is more convincing to me.

[VOTE: jinrou] aubergine
he didnt cop me or is lying

You might want to read more before commenting. You've been copped town by both Indiglo (now confirmed dead town) and Colonialbob. Kyle never claimed to have copped you.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
With Indiglo's vote no longer counting, do you want to vote to save Kyle, and go over to jinrou? Or are you sticking with colonialbob?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.
I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)
I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:17 pm @Kyle who did you target each night so far?

I don't know how anyone phone mafias. It is the worst!!
Speedchuck, epignosis, then I think.... Long con?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:19 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:32 amThose are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.
the message I received said that my failure wasn't my fault this time, which implies to me that either I was blocked or that the player I targeted is untargetable somehow.

@epigensis these first two make me think Kylemii is making it up. The third looks like a reasonable explanation. How did you get to "Kylemii is a civ" based on the first 2 alone? Because that draws me to the opposite conclusion.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:17 pm @Kyle who did you target each night so far?

I don't know how anyone phone mafias. It is the worst!!

It's alright, but not ideal.

One of those games I liked earlier was done entirely on phone and tablet, with the majority being tablet.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:07 pm when I said "break" I was referring to my months long absence from mafia in general

Gotcha. I thought you meant you took a break from this game, because you have a gap of about 36 hours between EOD2 and SOD3.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:02 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.
From the game or from mafia in general?
everything I do is because of reasons

Well that's SUPER helpful.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

From the game or from mafia in general?

Spoiler: show

There are actually 2 wolf officers in zootopia.

On perusal through ISO, Kyle doesn't look that great.

I had thought Kyle started the Soneji wagon for decent-ish reasons, but now it doesn't look that way.

Soneji's vote on Kyle doesn't look all that good either, and I can easily see the partner distancing.

I happen to think Kyle is town leaning.
Would much rather go for jinrou and owner over kyle.

I'm willing to place my vote one someone that hasn't been cop cleared, but I think cop clears are probably bunk.

Oh jack, you magnificent bastard

I don't know Juliet, so I'm not going to call her any names.

I think indiglo copped me and jinrou green. Look at posts #1113 & #1114.

Cop here also checking in. Epi checked green N3, and Mac checked green N2. BWT did not submit an action N1.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:33 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:50 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 am The last baddies have to be in Jinrou, Kyle, Logic, or Owner. I feel very good about Epi and bob, and indi and Dys are outside tinfoils... pretty far outside.

What if I told you I feel pretty good about Logic, and that I feel I may have been wrong about Jinrou?
I think these are good opinions*

*except I'm starting to have a sneaking suspicion of what the bastard part of this game is

I'm actually starting to think we might be on the same page here.

miller claim
several players with suddenly "good feelings" about another

What do you guys think that means? I have an idea, and am willing to state it outright if no one wants to guess first.

I guess it wasn't permanent.
[VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

Crap. I might have forsaken my ability to vote by mistake.

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:07 am My townpile is
Dizzy
Indy
Epi

My sort later
Kyle

My POE
ColBob
Owner
LC
Jinrou

I'd prefer to lynch from the bottom of this list up. I'm okay with being placed in the vicinity of Kyle or Bob.

Also note I forgot to include Owner in this list originally. Added in here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 am The last baddies have to be in Jinrou, Kyle, Logic, or Owner. I feel very good about Epi and bob, and indi and Dys are outside tinfoils... pretty far outside.

I disagree with you about myself and Kyle, but think Kyle is less towny than Indi, Dys and Epi.

Who would you put as your bottom two; the ones you want lynched first?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:24 pm My problem with people like Logic and Jinrou is that I have no standard by which to judge them.

Jinrou marching in here acting like "Golly, Mafia is just about finding the guys doing anti-town things is where it's at!" has me scratching me head. Jinrou, if it's that easy, do you ever lose as a civilian?

Logic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:14 pm Logic's most recent games:
Spoiler: show

Town
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

Town sub-in for a zero-poster (anonymous game; I'm Jim Halpert here)
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ing-3-0%29

Town Sub-in
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ewolf-Game

Scum
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... fia-Game-B

Scum sub-in
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... fia-Game-A

I did provide links to 5 games of mine, FYI.

My townpile is
Dizzy
Indy
Epi

My sort later
Kyle

My POE
ColBob
LC
Jinrou

I'd prefer to lynch from the bottom of this list up. I'm okay with being placed in the vicinity of Kyle or Bob.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:20 pm I have down LC, Dys, and indiglo as civilians.

Does anyone wish to argue with me on that?

I like the latter 2, but I don't have confidence in LC.

I'm calling this my fault. Sorry folks.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:55 pm Guys don't vote speed chuck, I am quite sure he is civ.

Also, who is your alternative?
and
What has changed your mind from yesterday?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:55 pm Guys don't vote speed chuck, I am quite sure he is civ.

Would you like to cite your sources? Or are we just supposed to take your word on it?

Logic's most recent games:

Spoiler: show

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:00 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:47 pm [VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

I believe LC
I believe him too. Why Jinrou?
Asked for people to ISO then didn't do anything with it. Just playing like someone who swapped into a scum slot. Logic/Jinrou are a stark contrast.
How do Logic and Jinrou usually play?

I could provide links to my most recent games of each alignment, if you'd like.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:56 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:16 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:21 pm answer for your crimes
Does that mean you are going to just posture, or will you be throwing a vote down with your accusation?
it means I miss my friend @speedchuck and i want him to talk more so I can figure his shit out, but also that I like to be dramatic

While I was pressuring you (albeit barely) this response just screams townie to me.

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