The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:51 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:27 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I'm going to vaguely explain why Mac is mafia without giving away the read entirely.

Let's assume that Mac is mafia, then we can assume that there is a certain agenda to his posts. I'm not going to guess too much as to how this would work.

Now, let's assume that Mac is town... Well then we can assume that he is playing without an agenda, which should roughly demonstrate a random distribution as to the alignment of people he's communicating with.

The random distribution would not necessarily be the game!rand distribution, but leaning towards mac!reads rand distribution. I'm going to assume (I've tested this with a couple games) that Mac's gut / instinctive replies are above the game rand, and he replies to mafia about 30% of the time as town.

Now, if we take this on some of his runs of posting, we can determine that there is about mechanically a 1% chance that Mac, Hally, JJJ, NAA, Nanook, DrWilgy are all town.

I know my alignment, and I have Hally, JJJ as lock town.

I think DrWilgy is firmly within town meta... If you disagree here, this is where I can be wrong.
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, this methodology strikes me as 451ian, perhaps Ellibereth-school. Can you corroborate that and/or whether it’s something you associate with NAA?

Yeah this specifically is something we've talked about

Idc if people town read me for it or whatever thats their business

I just want my beliefs on record, that I categorically do not believe there are things town can do in a game of mafia that it is unacceptable for mafia to do

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:36 am Hally's back and forthing on me is really annoying but supremely towny.

Jay has just decided to do the thing where if he's mafia he just wins cuz he tries too hard.

Nanook's fury is probably not mafia aligned cuz he's a good boy. This read disgusts me.

Early game Mac thought Dizzy was super townie, then Dizzy annoyed me and I scumread him. But in reality Hally sheep plus my early game feel means he probs just town.

Kinda just feel like Axe is town but I guess I could be wrong.

Wilgy and C4 are not aligned by Jay's standards and also mine.

So my solve is like...

Axe
Wilgy/C4
Radishes

Jay has C4/Radishes not likely, and Radishes/Wilgy unaligned. C4/NAA is maybe but not overwhelming. I probably think like the way the other three here have treated Wilgy spews him town. Radish/Axe is nope.

Soooo C4/Axe is my solve I guess. Bye.

You know there was a brief time in video mafia where I could be reliably scum read if I cursed past a certain threshold

Idc if people town read me for being annoyed with the gamestate but I wouldn't really townread me for "being a good boy," i am a firm believer that anything town can do mafia can too so

I mean if you want to that's fine I just want it clear that I unequivocally do not believe there are boundaries town can cross that mafia can't

I'm stepping away this game continues to be horrendous

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:57 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:55 pm Like fuck, just say you don't know how to read me and you don't how to pair/unpair me and you're gonna kill me for it and get on with it
Just say you hate being suspected so much that you lose any sense of objectivity and stop playing if you're going to lose any sense of objectivity and stop playing

Fuck off

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:54 pm And people are surprised i self voted when there are so many of these absolute smelliest fart I've ever read type posts in this game
I don't understand why you shit on everyone's posts so much

>nanook and c4 are likely teammates

Ok boomer

Like fuck, just say you don't know how to read me and you don't how to pair/unpair me and you're gonna kill me for it and get on with it

And people are surprised i self voted when there are so many of these absolute smelliest fart I've ever read type posts in this game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:19 pm I am literally drowning in irony
we are hard difference checked so we can openly troll people together and never get suspected as partners so let's do that

Is there a better 21st century dancer than Jason sudeikis?

I say no, there is not

I am literally drowning in irony

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

will return to self voting if the opening presents itself

Seems unlikely given that what I've said hasn't already

I think there's likely a mafia in this game that's sort of sliding by, that pool basically amounts to wilgy/radishes/c4, I dismissed wilgy because I still think he's town and I don't think radishes fits that well, leaving me with c4, someone that has generally escaped my notice. I do believe this game is a prime target for applying the vibe tell read, and c4 fails it harder than anyone else in the game for me, so. I do think there's probably one between radishes and c4 for vague and poorly defined gamestate reasons that I don't really have the willpower or desire to even attempt to expand on, but I kinda think c4 is more likely.

By nature it's difficult to really expound on or sell, and I didn't/don't expect it to convince anyone. Convincing people isn't really my strongsuit anyways. But, that's my read.

Perhaps consider that you don't have a particularly strong grasp of what is and isn't in character for me

I self vote on occasion when I'm tired of things

Its fine just put me over, idc

Yeah I've been trying to cut back on my shrug usage

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

I don't feel that I'm any more indignant than I've been this entire game

I think most of you are just poor at reading my tone

"Doing it exclusively with factual information" sorry next time ill just make stuff up instead

Idk if its typical but its not surprising if that makes it more clear

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:11 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME would you say it is typical for NAA to suspect you when you are town and/or when you feel that you are playing within your town meta?

Yeah I think so

Although he should actually have me town here if he looks at my entrance, but

It's not really outing for him to incorrectly push me afaik

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:02 pm i mean nook, you’ve been voting c4 all day for the vibe tell and have done nothing to make that happen

i don’t think it’s overly harsh to say you’re not doing anything when you aren’t even trying to get your top wolf read killed and are hardly talking about him

K

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm 145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE
imagine NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME implying post count and readability have any connection

Imagine saying there's nothing in 145 posts to read

Like fuck, if you can't read me that's fine, but just say that, don't pretend ive done nothing lol

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm 145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE
what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NAA has made 99 posts. Must be something readable in there, eh?

Yeah probably

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:24 pm "He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me
I actually think it's a decent way to read you. I sense you caring about expressing your reads when you are town.

....and you have a mediocre read on me, and read me wrong for almost exactly this reason last time, iirc?

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

I've made plenty of reads, what?

I have like 150 posts lol I'm sure there's plenty of readable stuff in there

"He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm If the day ended in five seconds and I had a free hammer, it'd go on Nanook. He's been near or in the poll lead all day and is just existing. He doesn't have to "care" in the conventional sense, but in his town body I'd at least anticipate snark or sarcasm or even serious counter-efforts.

I don't care what you'd expect lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:06 pm I am bothered that Nanook's only accusation of Day 2 so far has been a single vote for c4 that he blamed on IAWY. At least I don't remember any other accusations.

Idk why this would both you lol, I dont typically have a long list of pushes

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:57 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:06 pm nook citing the vibe tell may be the villageriest thing he’s done this game, unironically
I find it suspicious. Nanook is not a player I expect to see reference anyone else's methods to justify his own reads, save maybe a very small 451 shortlist. Nanook gets reads the Nanook way, not the IAWY way.

I borrow peoples reads on occasion

Usually I dont say I am tho, tbf

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:34 pm honestly though i wouldn’t even be that surprised if dizzy is a wolf but it’s kinda impossible to get there when half the game is not really playing so i feel like i almost have to trust him

Half the game not playing seems

Harsh

Yeah I nearly always fit it lol

I mean sure and he's explained it more eloquently but it's the first I found and I don't feel like digging through several hundred more posts when this is adequate

I can't find his good explanation but here's an OK one:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5376740

I don't necessarily believe this is broadly meaningful but I think it can apply here

God it's such a pain to find it...ok ill hunt down his explanation of it, gimme a few

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:50 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Have you played with iawy before?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:38 am [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Vote me harder daddy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:37 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one
One town between us or one mafia?
One mafia
So would it be accurate for me to say that you currently believe the mafia team to be c4 + Mac/NAA/Jay?

Believe is a strong word

I believe it has the highest probability at this point in time, sure

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one
One town between us or one mafia?

One mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:26 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME any town reads apart from Wilgy and Mac?

Hally

mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:44 pm nook, why are you voting c4?

Iawy read

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:19 pm like, w!wilgy enters the thread D1 and immediately goes “i’m going to give up and anti-spew”? i doubt it
I don't think this is an absurd thought
has he done that before? seems kinda eh to give up on his team like that

I mean it's not giving up yeah its trying to set up for their continued success, playing as a team rather than selfishly

Idk I'm townreading him so I don't think its *likely* I just don't see it as an outlandish thought

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:19 pm like, w!wilgy enters the thread D1 and immediately goes “i’m going to give up and anti-spew”? i doubt it

I don't think this is an absurd thought

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:19 pm like, w!wilgy enters the thread D1 and immediately goes “i’m going to give up and anti-spew”? i doubt it

I don't think this is an absurd thought

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:13 pm I'm hard shielding wilgy lol
why
I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game
cool i don't give a fuck about your read lol
Ok

Jokes aside i do think he's likely town
where was the joke?

The "I've read him safely two games in a row" part was obviously a joke

Not that I have, cause I have, but that I think it means anything

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:13 pm I'm hard shielding wilgy lol
why
I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game
cool i don't give a fuck about your read lol

Ok

Jokes aside i do think he's likely town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:13 pm I'm hard shielding wilgy lol
why

I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

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