The Syndicate

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Really good game russ and co., well deserved win

I’m also TRing DDL fwiw

And Russ

I don’t see how or why tbh since all I did was repeat the same things I’ve been saying

I do think nutella might be bad though

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 1:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 1:35 pm Fwiw I didn’t wholesale fake a red. I wouldn’t fake a red just to kill someone I had a tone read on, that would be pretty shitty of me. I had actual mechanical information that suggested Sig was scum, his completely abandoning the thread supported that being true, simple as that. I was pretty upfront about that mechanical info being suggestive, not locked in. Anyone trying to say otherwise is mistaken or scummy.
if sig had claimed vanilla, would you have cleared him-- "game mechanic" wise?

also, i'm sorry. the words you used in your last post really made it seem that way...so i'm glad that isn't the case.

I wouldn’t have hard cleared him but it would’ve answered a lot of my questions one way or the other, yeah. Or, you know, if he’d bothered playing the game in general.

It also would definitely be the first time I’ve faked a red based on absolutely nothing. When I did it as a doc it had a base behind it. Tbh it’s fairly insulting if you think I’d railroad someone so completely as to fake a red based on nothing but “I don’t want to play with them” or a personal vendetta or whatever.

Fwiw I didn’t wholesale fake a red. I wouldn’t fake a red just to kill someone I had a tone read on, that would be pretty shitty of me. I had actual mechanical information that suggested Sig was scum, his completely abandoning the thread supported that being true, simple as that. I was pretty upfront about that mechanical info being suggestive, not locked in. Anyone trying to say otherwise is mistaken or scummy.

A rhyme
Is never a waste of time
You uncultured swine
So get back in line

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 10:22 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 10:14 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:49 am Nanook is doubling down on the "I had suggestive mechanical information" card, which I STILL believe to have been fake from the start and Nanook's approach has felt suspicious to me. It doesn't look like pro-town fake-peeking (which can be a thing), it looks like malicious mafia fake-peeking, as in his intention from the start was only to get sig lynched and not, INSTEAD, to look for player reactions to his gambit, including the reaction of the hypothetical mafia (in a universe where Nanook is town), no he was JUST trying to get sig lynched, and the way he continues to double down on his ploy feels slimy as hell because he's still strategically sprinkling mentions of "info", info which I assume will never see the light of day, because it doesn't exist, because it can't exist, and yet even after sig's death, nanook mentions that he had it.

Fake and slimy. Nanook is bad.
Having just played with scum nanook, I feel like this is different behavior. He's kinda incensed about the way things turned out, slimy as he was in the whole interaction. If he were scum, he'd probably be openly laughing at us.

Maybe I'm missing some context though.
He kind of is openly disrespecting sig tho

That is correct, I am openly disrespecting Sig. he bullied MP then peaced out instead of playing the game. What is there to respect about that, again? Am I supposed to pretend to be sympathetic to him not liking claiming in a claims game? Or am I supposed to respect him ragequitting? Fuck that, play the game you signed up for.

(Important note that this lack of respect applies to this game only)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 10:01 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I don't know what your limits are regarding what you are allowed to claim but you'll have to give out something.

As a general rule I’m not going to claim during the night phase lol

I’ll consider claiming during the day depending on what happens at night

Or are you one of the “mechanics are stupid and so are you if you use them” people?

Cause tbh I’ll defend my play as entirely valid until I’m whatever the typing equivalent of hoarse is. Carpel tunneled?

I mean Sig basically said “fuck that and fuck you” and left the thread entirely. How is that my fault again? Like he didn’t even try to play the game, I had suggestive mechanical information that made me think he was >rand scum, what would you have me do? Go “oh well he flipped me off and peaced our, THAT’S A TOWNIE THING TO DO”???

I’ll eat some responsibility for it, but Jesus I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable or bullying of me to ask people to play the game

Nutella’s vibe rn

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 7:46 pm Nutella is indeed bad.

Right?

I could see nutella bad too tbh

Where’s jack when you need him

DDL pretty townie imo

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:15 pm We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

Including D1 Sig wagon?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm What is everyone's read on G-man?

He exists

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:06 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:04 pm I don’t have the aversion to killing non-obvious town that a lot of people do tbh. Not even including mechanical reasons to think he was >rand mafia. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs etc
I mean you are not wrong but... sometimes you need to go the extra mile. Be crazy. Lynch the unlynchable. Lynch the obvious busser. Leave the obvious suspect alive.

Mafia wins the game too often if town acts predictable and does the things mafia expects them to do.

I guess we could say, the only thing necessary for evil to win, is for the good guys to be boring.

Time and place. Yesterday was neither

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse
You tried to bully him into claiming and now you're victim blaming him lol. I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

He should’ve claimed

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse
Being for or against claiming is a touchy subject in mafia communities it seems.

If you don’t want to play a game with claims don’t sign up for one then

I don’t have the aversion to killing non-obvious town that a lot of people do tbh. Not even including mechanical reasons to think he was >rand mafia. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs etc

Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 5:59 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 5:55 pm Like what’s the argument for not killing Sig today? So we can keep him around as a distraction tomorrow? If you don’t like how today has gone, the solution isn’t “let’s kill someone else lulz” it’s kill Sig and move on with his flip.

And let’s be real here, if he flips town that refused to claim and also didn’t play....that’s not a loss I’m sad about, ngl
I mean all of those are right but at the end of the day we still gotta lynch mafia.

And if we have reasons to think your peek is not reliable (you say it isn't) and that Sig looks more like a person who got angry and blasted out of the door than a mafioso caught without a counterclaim... that is worth considering.

Leaving a town Sig who may not come back around is still better than lynching a town Sig.

Disagree, but probably mostly based on a theory difference

I also think TH has (eww) mafia (yuck) equity (I’m sorry jay please don’t modkill me)

Like what’s the argument for not killing Sig today? So we can keep him around as a distraction tomorrow? If you don’t like how today has gone, the solution isn’t “let’s kill someone else lulz” it’s kill Sig and move on with his flip.

And let’s be real here, if he flips town that refused to claim and also didn’t play....that’s not a loss I’m sad about, ngl

Yeah reads are clearly and obviously better than mechanics and should definitely take priority

If Sig isn’t mafia then he’s gamethrowing by both not claiming and not engaging even a little bit. Much more likely he’s just mafia imo, but tbh I don’t feel bad killing him either way.

I am also completely unsympathetic to “the way he treated MP was over the line if he’s mafia” arguments, whether or not it was over the line or not is entirely independent of his alignment. Arguments otherwise don’t deserve the time they take to read.

There is such a thing as a wasted day, this wasn’t it

I was saving up some posts to argue people back into killing Sig but I guess I don’t have to

Noice

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 4:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 4:20 pm I mean I’m not “policy” TKing Sig, I just have info that makes me think he’s scum in a vacuum. If his claim clears that up convincingly, great, but without a claim it’s more likely than not scum.
We are not in a vacuum.
When you say more likely scum
Do you mean 80% or 51?
Because I look at what sig has done

Until he claims we functionally are.

Also even 51% would still be significantly >rand lol, assuming a 3/11 ratio is 23% at game start or 27% now.

I mean I’m not “policy” TKing Sig, I just have info that makes me think he’s scum in a vacuum. If his claim clears that up convincingly, great, but without a claim it’s more likely than not scum.

While there are some specific scenarios I’ll fake a red in, this definitely isn’t one of them

I mean ngl it’s not a hard red, but without a claim it’s >rand chance of being mafia. Significantly greater. So unless Sig claims I’m treating it as a full red, if he wants to cooperate that would be cool and make the game easier

Sig, it isn’t a fake peek. Claim your shit or die.

Also MP was town, died, and replaced back in as mafia in last game. It’s not complicated or a hard concept to grasp...for most of us at least

I haven’t quietly pushed it, fuck off with that

I’ve claimed to the extent that I’m going to prior to Sig claiming, if Sig doesn’t claim I’m treating it as a scum claim. You’re not getting a more detailed explanation from me at this time.

TH: mac is mafia

Mac flips town

Nanook claims a soft guilty on Sig

TH: lol but my reads tho

That’s nice and all but I have what is pretty likely a red check on him, so.

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:48 pm SO a combination of factors effected my mafia read of MP.

Last game, which just ended with a mafia victory, the team included MP who had flipped civ, but was actually mafia. He reacted the same way there when I poked him as he did here and said I just hound him for no reason. I'm seeing the same game-play here and have the same gut feel.

Which is the main reason why I'm sticking to my guns here with my MP read.

Mac, rip was wrong there, not the end of the world. I do plan to reread some things, but overall alot of people are still just leans.

Sig he was town, died, and subbed back into a mafia slot. When you poked him he had a town PM.

Without a claim I’m considering myself to have a red check on you, and I encourage others to as well.

Uh

That’s a weird time to claim tbh

That’s cool, but I’m heavily implying I might have a red on him so you should probably support that

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:22 pm Seriously though @sig should claim
Why.

I’ll tell you after he claims

Fwiw GMan I’ve enjoyed the short amount we’ve played together in GOC and now here.

Even though you’re wrong

Seriously though [mention]sig[/mention] should claim

I need one more rhyme
So again I’ll use tIme
I guess I’m not original enough
If you don’t like it, tough

I’m wasting posts ‘tis true
But I’ve got more to use than you
Burn baby burn
Oh how the table turn

Secret secret, I have a secret
Sig better claim soon
I can’t think of another rhyme for it
So I’ll just say boon

I can post more than you
Don’t cry, boo hoo
I’m the jiggy king
That title has a nice ring

(2)

What’s a vompatti style?
Is it full of wile?
And a smidge of guile?
And jokes by the mile?

(1)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:43 pm TH is still kind of weird in day 1 and I do agree on Mac's point about him that he was sheeping too much. Yeah maybe sheeping is fine but TH didn't really impress me otherwise.

nutella feels a little disconnected from the game, like she's saying a lot but not participating much. That said she probably ranks high in the list of people I've mislynched the most, so I'll tread carefully here.

Literally no idea how to read nanook. I don't know how to interpret he going against Sig. I don't know what to do with him. Send help.

TSP is also pretty meh. Dunno what to think of him yet.

Sloonei I do agree feels different but the argument that he is out of his element due to the post restriction is valid. Need more time to assess.

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