The Syndicate

Yeah I don't even know what your win path would've been tbh, probably get me to go over at f5, kill ender, and try to win a tsp/ilario f3...but thats pretty hard cause getting me over in f5 requires a lot of extension that makes f3 more difficult.

Nanook, my case on you was very much TMI

Yeh I meant the base of parts of your case relied on tmi that certain living players were town (specifically tsp) and there was incongruity between some of the stuff you were pointing out around tsp and then having tsp in your poe later

I think there was stuff you could've pushed me on maybe, but you probably needed to focus more on "nanook's transcend and ender reads had tmi," the way you framed lime's interactions with me on d3 was pretty inspired tbh (especially given that it should have been clearing lol) and had potential too I think.

You probably needed to push some against tsp too, or at least lay the groundwork, although I suppose taking the "if I were scum I wouldn't push so hard for a miskill that doesn't win me the game" angle in f3.

Idk you subbed into a rough spot and did what you could with it, gg

GGs everyone

I had like four good reads sometimes thats enough

I remain the goat in my own mind

Usually I forget the other one lol

Still open to discussion if you have actual questions, not necessarily locked in

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

I will also say that I dont think I'm really locked into anything as mafia, I could've come in pushing basically any world I wanted to. Idk why you think I'd be so scared of you that I'd play around you specifically, you're not that big a deal

Anyways if you want me to address anything else you're gonna have to phrase it in the form of a question, I dont really treat cases as something to respond to

Also, like, "I won't let him" is a big lol

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:34 pm Realistically, Nanook's defense against my case is pretty bad, because calling it TMI-ish and "overlooks a few things" is shorthand for "I don't know how to defend myself against it, so I just won't." Now, I'm notoriously bad at defending myself as either alignment, so I could sympathize with that, except his go-to response is to call me a wolf instead, which is boring and predictable. I'd expect him to try harder to find the last wolf here as V, perhaps try to work with me rather than against me, but instead he's just continuing his incorrect push from the first three days without even attempting to re-evaluate it. Why? Because at this point, he's locked into it. He knows he can't misyeet illario or Ender, I won't let him, and if TSP's town, then he's a good f3 misyeet. The highest-value yeet for wolf!Nanook that's also reasonably easy for him to get is exactly me, so his response to my case being essentially "this is TMI, Vulgard is just a wolf" is quite telling of his motivations.

Don't forget this if I'm yeeted and you go to final 3.

Its shorthand for "i don't care about it."

I basically never respond to cases point by point (especially as town), if you wanted a response you should've asked questions instead lpl

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:25 pm I mean, I think LC spewed my slot town in his lackluster interactions with WIml where he tries to appease to his slot, but sure.

Currently thinking Illario/Ender are just villagers and that TSP's villagerier than Nanook (though only by a bit), leaving me at Nanook -> TSP as yeet priority.

If I'm wrong about Nanook, or if you don't listen to me and yeet someone else and they flip V, I'll evaluate again in f3. But I really think Nanook ends the game, and I think his and LC's mutual treatment of one another on day 3 is a dead giveaway of them being partnered.

I mean I'm more spewed than you are but you're ignoring that lol

Tbh theres good arguments for everyone in the game not being teamed with lc, but obviously someone is, so.

Yeah I actually do think there are several spots in vulgards case on me where it only works with tmi

Now tbf this could be confirmation bias on his part too, but yeah, combined with his case overlooking a few things, I think he's probably the last one

If not him Id have to see the nk

Would vulgard really sub in and think picking up the push nanook torch is the way for mafia to win?

Anyways I think he shows some tmi in his casing of me

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:09 am Nanook's stances being pro-town actually concerns me, because you're right. He's fairly consistently been taking pro-town stances from what I've seen so far, but that's suspicious in and of itself, because I can't see how a villager could always take pro-town stances. They don't have TMI, they will be wrong, and they will help the wolves at some point, won't they?

I pointed out how he pushed villagers, that's really the only thing he did this game that wasn't pro-town and he didn't even try super hard to strongarm people into it during the earlygame. His townlist has been super pure all game.

Yeah sometimes I have a good game

Dead air dead villager, no vote must be town

I don't think its unfathomable, a lot of mafia get pissed off if they feel like they're playing well and getting pushed for what they see as bs reasons

I don't think its good behavior as either alignment but its not ai in this case I don't think

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:12 pm But I don’t want to believe winl was mafia. Because then that means, that on d2 the guy really did cross so many lines and for what?? Because he was being correctly fossed by myself and Alexa?? The dude went above and beyond in his emotional gaslighting throughout the game. like sure I can understand that from a town pov being mistreated. But if he’s maf then that means all that toxicity and unnecessary rudeness to us was because we were Reading him correctly??

Idk it’s just like a really sour taste in my mouth and like when I first met him he was like some nice sweet guy, probably the nicest of people I first met coming to the site. Idk how much of my townread on him is based on the fact that I just don’t want to accept he did all that shit as mafia just so we wouldn’t vote him or because he was frustrated at being correctly fossed and needed to vent his frustrations on us.

Meh if what he did was acceptable as town then its acceptable as mafia

I really need to do some rereading tonight

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:01 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:28 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:30 am Illario is town.

I've put on my tinfoil and looked back thoroughly, but I don't think it's the case.

Reasons I had to tinfoil this:
Alexa dying to NK over me.
Alexa being nked makes it more likely ilario is town, not less
the only thing the alexa nk implies is that i might be wrong to defend vulguard/wimls slot yesterday. that was the ONLY real difference between me and her on that day

Fypov sure

For the rest of us it also increases the chance you're town

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:17 am I also really hate the fact Nanook had the me/illario world during this SoD, when I think we actually look great from LC's ISO and that illario's independently super villagery. TSP supporting it isn't any better. I can't give them any excuses for it, either, because as people who've read the whole game they should know this.

Bold of you to assume I've read the whole game

But yes you'll note that I realized ilario was/is probably town and swapped tsp into my poe instead, unprompted

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:04 am Why doesn't w!Nanook NK me?

I've been one of his stronger tr, and going into EOD I just led a flip on his partner. People were mostly townreading me bar Wiml in thread.

Nanook WAS also townreading Alexa and that does remove the Ilario shield if that's the aim.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Why would any mafia not named ilario kill you lol

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:30 am Illario is town.

I've put on my tinfoil and looked back thoroughly, but I don't think it's the case.

Reasons I had to tinfoil this:
Alexa dying to NK over me.

Alexa being nked makes it more likely ilario is town, not less

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:07 am Nanook's comfortability voting partners is my only question mark tbh. He has been more in town meta tho.

I mean, usually once I start bussing I just commit to the bus

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:05 am Illario, Alexa, Esooa, and several others had LC at town.

I stepped in and pulled a wolf-case out of my ass.

It took me TWO DAYS to get them flipped.

Don't fucking say that it was "Easy wolf-pick"

The only other people that picked up on it were Alison early (N1 kill) and Transcend (D1 flip)

I had him for a bit

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:03 am ...I just called NANOOK "Banook."

I have no idea how that happened.

Not until they make me a mod

Anyways I'm getting that feeling in thread tonight that you two are both town, which fits my confirmation bias, so yeah, still gonna try to do some due diligence at some point in the day but I'm currently feeling decent about the tsp vulgard poe

Like it's not a bad look, its just nai

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:52 am Ilario calling out the "slip" is kinda good look.

I don't think this is true actually

Scun often are more prone to seeing something their partner did as a slip cause they know it in fact was a slip

I don't think its meaningful really, especially since afaik it was dropped when nobody agreed and helped push it

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:48 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:30 am I mean it sounds like something you need to fix more than me lol

I have no questions
What was ur thoughts when u opened up yesterday and u see LC with a massive case on you

I didn't really care much

I still had him as sort of low townish, mostly in my townreads but not locked, and tbh I didn't really bother reading 90% of his case beyond the initial look

I guess you can ask me stuff but I can almost guarantee you won't like the answers or be satisfied with them lol

I mean it sounds like something you need to fix more than me lol

I have no questions

And I tried to kill him at eod2, I want my town cred too

Like it isn't a criticism, I ultimately got him wrong too, it just means you were looking at the wrong markers (as I was)

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:23 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:22 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:21 am Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta
Are you talking about tsp lol
No I’m talking about lc
Obviously he wasn't
He was. The only people casing him were casing him
Because he was fillering and doing nothing. I can quite literally link u many games where I’ve tunneled him when he was town for the exact same reasons.

I mean all this says is that he can fool you

I mean idk maybe he did a good job mimicking his town game, he definitely did a good job not immediately crumbling when pushed, but arguing he was exactly the same as he'd be as town is obviously a flawed argument

*obviously he wasn't in his town meta

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:22 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:21 am Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta
Are you talking about tsp lol
No I’m talking about lc

Obviously he wasn't

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:21 am Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

Are you talking about tsp lol

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:18 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:17 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:16 am I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.
so then whats ur poe
Currently thinking tsp and vulgard
why?

Sheeped alexa tr on you, don't see ender hard pushing his partner like that

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:17 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:16 am I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.
so then whats ur poe

Currently thinking tsp and vulgard

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:17 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:16 am I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.
I was fighting day and night to get that mafia flipped, had nothing to do with the shitty POE.

Yeah I'm not talking about you lol

I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.

You are aware that esooa policy scumreads me yes

Imagine trying to kill mafia at eod, that same mafia trying to hard push you the next day...and then you're the top suspect the next day cause everyone decided to revert to the shitty poe again

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:50 pm It almost feels like I’m punishing you for playing well LOLLLL. Like you’ve had pretty good reads all game, probably the most correct from anyone alive

Ahem

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:57 pm Hammering what was at that point close to a foregone conclusion doesn't clear tsp lol
shh you're supposed to angle me for a nightkill

There are other NKs id prefer lol

Hammering what was at that point close to a foregone conclusion doesn't clear tsp lol

It would be more helpful if SOMEONE @MacDougall hadn't decided he and he alone must die that day but oh well

I'm gonna read some lime stuff later, its tough without votecounts but eod2 might be useful too, iirc there was some push towards him last minute

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