Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

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Talking of that, I'm reviewing the game from Day 2, starting with my case.

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Fwiw I get the paranoia on LC, I really do, I’ve spent the last two-three games hard pressuring him at times throughout the mid game phase because he always starts off very towny and throughout the middle of the game he outs like almost no scumreads and his only contribution for the most part is defending his main townreads if they’re being pushed and then memeing/vibing for the rest. To whoever is town from the players who doesn’t know LC, just ignore whatever paranoia you get and pretend he’s an IC, trust that myself essoa and alwxa wouldn’t alll misread him so wrongly in the same game and solve outside of him. He doesn’t like to commit to fosses in lobbies like this, and tbh judging by how everyone reacts to being pushed (including myself at times) , I don’t really blame him for that.

Hmmm

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Alexa is town.

TSP is wolf.

This should be easy.

I'm driving to work now I'll be on sporadically.

Maybe relevant.

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works with me ender

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine

I'll look myself when I wake up

If Esooa slot was still alive this would be lock town.

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if it's lc I kinda want to say the last wolf is just nanook

no reading put into this but I vibe with it

Not a hard sus but just putting this up too.

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i think ilario is hard town
i don't townread LC quite as confidently but i'm sponging Esooa/ilario's reads too

uh oh

cos im partly sponging ur reads

Interesting.

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jk

hes probs town, but theres gonna be a day where he replicates his meta on us and we lose to him pretty hard

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You are aware that esooa policy scumreads me yes

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You are aware that esooa policy scumreads me yes

Yes.

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i think ilario is hard town
i don't townread LC quite as confidently but i'm sponging Esooa/ilario's reads too

uh oh

cos im partly sponging ur reads

meh
he'll IC himself by EOD if he's town, probably

tbh i feel like hes gonna trend downwards until either he gets pushed or you get pushed, thats why i felt the need to make my wall post about him just before i went afk, cos i know hes gonna get srd for it soon.

I don't entirely like this thread.

[ilario]

I mean if I’m judging this purely by gameplay ender and nanook

Are way more townier than wiml who did nothing but cry the entire game

Ughhhhh sigh

[ilario]

Whatever I’m just gonna do a hard reset

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.

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k now brad's starting to towntell but i just wanna see some spicy takes from him this game

It'll get there, I'm building my town core this game but I'm being a bit more careful.

i don't rly associate town!brad w/ being careful

u tend to be pretty loose when ur town and u just out ur thoughts the moment u have them

Well I've had recent games where I've built a towncore that's fucked with mafia members in it. So instead of rushing to conclusions I'm trying to not put town in a shit situation after I die.

Also if he flips mafia this was such a "But my reads have been bad" tell.

The one that I do as town, yes, which is why I didn't call him on it in the first place.

Also I was right on this lmao

[ilario]

I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.

so then whats ur poe

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I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.

I was fighting day and night to get that mafia flipped, had nothing to do with the shitty POE.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.

I was fighting day and night to get that mafia flipped, had nothing to do with the shitty POE.

Yeah I'm not talking about you lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.

so then whats ur poe

Currently thinking tsp and vulgard

[ilario]

I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.

so then whats ur poe

Currently thinking tsp and vulgard

why?

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Spoiler: show

OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

these game are a better depictor of his town game.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30377
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31177 hes mystery player and also in a stacked lobby.


if you notice he just finds a few townreads and then just more or less trends downhill after that. if they get fossed he'll shield and if someone pushes them he'll vote them. other than that he doesnt go out of his way to fos people, you can see me pressure him for that in both games.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31067

this is one scum game u linked, 5 posts into the game he feels compelled to make a sr, and the reasoning is " votes appletini-
Reads to me don't feel real and are just thrown together. She might not care because she's mafia."

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=11830862

the other scum game u linked, he again makes a sr based on lvl 0 reasoning "votes awesome 5000- Awesome is doing nothing game related."

if u notice when hes scum, he feels pressured to look like hes contributing and he feels obliged he has to fos someone. he will often do so, and do it very early for very weak reasonings. so yeah, in contrary to most players, outing a few trs early game hes confident in and then coasting is just how LC plays as town.

Tries to counter my meta.

I actually don't like Ilario's response to my case or my push on D2.

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Endsr’s push on LC is both towny and possibly decent

This is actually a minor + look for TSP.

[ilario]

Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I would point out that yesterday I was treated as town and the shitty poe was thrown out...and we hit mafia. So, you know, maybe don't go back to that.

so then whats ur poe

Currently thinking tsp and vulgard

why?

Sheeped alexa tr on you, don't see ender hard pushing his partner like that

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

Are you talking about tsp lol

[ilario]

I’m pretty sure He literally just went back and copied how he spoke in all of his town games

[ilario]

Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

Are you talking about tsp lol

No I’m talking about lc

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

Are you talking about tsp lol

No I’m talking about lc

Obviously he wasn't

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

*obviously he wasn't in his town meta

[ilario]

Like Enders case revolves around how lc acts as town, he was mimicking his town game. That’s why everyone whose played any games with him in the past few months all had him as a townlock. My points I brought up were and still are valid. If lc flipped town this game he woulda done almost everything the exact same minus the slip (which I called out and the entire lobby ignored or said wasn’t a slip) and the way he tiptoed around my slot the entire game

[ilario]

Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

Are you talking about tsp lol

No I’m talking about lc

Obviously he wasn't

He was. The only people casing him were casing him
Because he was fillering and doing nothing. I can quite literally link u many games where I’ve tunneled him when he was town for the exact same reasons.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean idk maybe he did a good job mimicking his town game, he definitely did a good job not immediately crumbling when pushed, but arguing he was exactly the same as he'd be as town is obviously a flawed argument

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

Are you talking about tsp lol

No I’m talking about lc

Obviously he wasn't

He was. The only people casing him were casing him
Because he was fillering and doing nothing. I can quite literally link u many games where I’ve tunneled him when he was town for the exact same reasons.

I mean all this says is that he can fool you

[ilario]

It isn’t, because he plays the same way every game and all he has to do is open up those games and copy and paste his lines and there’ll be 0 difference

[ilario]

Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

Are you talking about tsp lol

No I’m talking about lc

Obviously he wasn't

He was. The only people casing him were casing him
Because he was fillering and doing nothing. I can quite literally link u many games where I’ve tunneled him when he was town for the exact same reasons.

I mean all this says is that he can fool you

He can and did. But tbf I was the second person to vote him with ender and kept my vote for a big portion. If u check my iso I pushed him the second most after ender did

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like it isn't a criticism, I ultimately got him wrong too, it just means you were looking at the wrong markers (as I was)

[ilario]

And lc was the only person I voted yesterday

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And I tried to kill him at eod2, I want my town cred too

[ilario]

Nanook i think me and u are long overdue for a talk this game. I’ve been hedgy on ur alignment since d1 and we still need to fix that. I gtg for a bit but if u have any questions today is the day to ask

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean it sounds like something you need to fix more than me lol

I have no questions

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[VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Townie naked vote

I kinda like this.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess you can ask me stuff but I can almost guarantee you won't like the answers or be satisfied with them lol

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Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

I found a meta he reproduces in his town games that he didn't reproduce here.

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Like Enders case revolves around how lc acts as town, he was mimicking his town game. That’s why everyone whose played any games with him in the past few months all had him as a townlock. My points I brought up were and still are valid. If lc flipped town this game he woulda done almost everything the exact same minus the slip (which I called out and the entire lobby ignored or said wasn’t a slip) and the way he tiptoed around my slot the entire game

Not exactly no.

There's something I see in every town game that wasn't in this game. That's why I was like a dog with a bit in my mouth.

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I've already explained you how I liked the whole "I'll figure out his alignment by Day 2/3" post, which ironically you're doing the opposite of that . But the effort you're putting in right now at looking at my past games and explaining the scumread on me is HUGELY towny.

Was I really doing the opposite, LC? =P

[ilario]

I mean it sounds like something you need to fix more than me lol

I have no questions

What was ur thoughts when u opened up yesterday and u see LC with a massive case on you

[ilario]

Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

I found a meta he reproduces in his town games that he didn't reproduce here.

remind me what it was again?

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Well ur case was on meta and this is his town meta

I found a meta he reproduces in his town games that he didn't reproduce here.

remind me what it was again?

Go reread my case.

I kinda don't want to elaborate further because I can probably use it in future games.

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Ilario calling out the "slip" is kinda good look.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean it sounds like something you need to fix more than me lol

I have no questions

What was ur thoughts when u opened up yesterday and u see LC with a massive case on you

I didn't really care much

I still had him as sort of low townish, mostly in my townreads but not locked, and tbh I didn't really bother reading 90% of his case beyond the initial look

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ilario calling out the "slip" is kinda good look.

I don't think this is true actually

Scun often are more prone to seeing something their partner did as a slip cause they know it in fact was a slip

I don't think its meaningful really, especially since afaik it was dropped when nobody agreed and helped push it