The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:33 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:24 pm You been catching up since the phase began?
That's not a fair description of what I've been doing since the phase begun. I've been doing my best. I'm not capable of conducting masterful hunts phone posting though and lots of players are creating a solid gamestate which is allowing me to read, drink beer and pass judgement which I am really enjoying for a change.

lol, I want to townread Mac for this post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm [VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

What's your deal.

I'll help you with this.

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:11 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:35 am Hyena, what can you tell me about Pawn Lelouch? What is your opinion of this exchange?

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Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:24 pm I am at work, and unable to post much. I have meeting coming up soon (that includes a 50-slide Power Point about how to have a meeting ), but...

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:34 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:26 am but i mean yeah your logics a bit weird

wouldnt keeping him alive to keep sussing the towncore sow suspicion on its own?

why would scum assume people would even remember nooks reads
Yes, but Nook was relatively low impact in the thread so he probably wouldn't make much progress and might even be convinced to change his mind. Better to go for the guarantee rather than a gamble.

Because it's good town play to look back at those who died to try and divine the intent as to why they died. Since there is always a discernible reason behind a scum nightkill. The trick is actually figuring it out. Plus remembering the reads of one of 14 other players is far easier than that of 29 other players. Especially since scum could potentially just point it out themselves in thread as a reason why Nook could have been a silencing kill. So there's a fair chance that town would easily remember the reads or scum would just state it themselves.

I'm basically assuming that Epi is scum based off this as I read into the kill more and more. If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view, which fits my mental image of Epi's style and even is something he has stated in previous days.
...this is rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

First, the qualifiers indicate someone who knows what he is saying is rubbish. "Basically assuming" is equivocal language. "As I read into the kill more and more" is a vague way to make it sound as though this perspective bears credibility. It doesn't. This is an attempt to appear analytical. The little lecture that precedes the accusation rings hollow.

Second, Pawn, who knows nothing about me and has no prior experience with me, suggests that he can correctly peg me specifically as killing Nanook. Nonsense. In fact, if you remember, Nanook was among my top suspects coming into Day 2. From my perspective, the incessant posts begging for credit for lynching Dragomir looked too on the nose. If I were mafia, I would have been confident I could have gathered support for a Nanook lynch. No- Nanook would not have been in my top ten choices for a kill.

Third, the accusation is empty. Any victim could be a "methodical" choice for the Night kill. What makes the Nanook kill specifically a methodical choice (as opposed to, say, an Evenstar kill or a Pawn kill)? The accusation is based on multiple assumptions that don't even support it.

Fourth, the basis for this accusation against me is at present non-falsifiable. "If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view" is nothing that can be proved or disproved until endgame.

This is rubbish.

Do you think these are Pawn's genuine opinions?
Actually, yes, they could be. Based on the vibe I've gotten from Pawn, I think he would be the type of player to go for tinfoil reads like this one. I make reads like this, too, occasionally. This is NAI most likely.
And yet with eighteen others here after so many Days, do you believe he honestly believes his best bet is to vote for me?

Maybe to reaction test you. I don't know him well enough to guess if he'd do that or not, but it's something I'd do. :P

So, like, here was what I had posted about Nutella on D4 when I was going after her about her flip-flopping:

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Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:26 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:50 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:36 pm elephant is so agenda-y
Spicy take. How so?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:51 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:36 pm elephant is so agenda-y
I keep getting pings that he's slowly planting the seeds for future mislynches.
I can see that I guess at least in his interaction with juliets about Tony, that was pretty weird imo.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:29 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:22 pm TL and to some extent Drago feel like the too-easy options for D1. Though Drago has also kinda disappeared. See if some pressure brings him in.[VOTE: drago] aubergine

Prob not staying on either of these guys. I don't want to end in a lame small brained mislynch. I wanna catch the big fishes
who are your big fish candidates
Pawn, LLD, maybe juliets or elephant

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:18 pm @Elephant I was thinking of your interaction with juliets as planting seeds on Tony, not on juliets but using her for it. Like she had backed off of her case but you were heavily encouraging her to go back and reinforce it.
Suspicion on Elephant from D1.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:07 pm So vanity was an earlier Drago vote, briefly left it, then eventually was the one to break the tie with Epi. He's probably just town here.
Calls Vanity probably town at the beginning to D2.

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Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:32 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:28 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:51 am The analysis that nutella posted along with her vote history had this:
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:07 pmSo vanity was an earlier Drago vote, briefly left it, then eventually was the one to break the tie with Epi. He's probably just town here.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:07 pmBenson, iaafr, and pawn look generally okay but certainly not cleared from this. I'm trying to figure out who looks too clean and it's hard to tell. Maybe vanity.
Why does iaafr ending on "no lynch" look ok to you?
Why does Pawn Lelouch voting Dragomir look ok to you, but Trustworthy Liberal voting him next does not?
Why does Benson sheeping vanity. look ok to you? At the same time, vanity. looks "too clean", how is that?
I struggle to follow your thoughts here, nutella.
Idk, I admit I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about each player and just sort of typed up my first instincts. Your points here are definitely worth considering.

I thought those people looked ok on balance based on timing and how they defended their votes but it's not conclusive by any means.

I think Benson is just very towny overall, but I'm glad you're questioning vanity bc I'm less sure about him.
Elephant's points are now worth considering, and starting to switch on Vanity.
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:10 am Ugh as much as I feel attached to my spiny suspicion I have to say boo is looking town now. I think his takes are largely misguided due to culture clash, but I think he really believes them.

Gonna move to [VOTE: vanity] aubergine for some pressure. Where you been dude? Kinda seems like you're coasting

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:23 am @vanity. you don't have a huge number of D2 posts, and in most of them you have some focus on whether or not certain players were on the Drago wagon and ensuring that we consider potential bussing. I feel like we all reached a consensus that yes we need to look for bussers but somehow your contributions stop there and you haven't been very active in our actual hunting activity so far. If it's just a time issue I won't hold it against you but I do expect a little more when you're available.
Turns into a vote and accusation against Vanity. What's her opinion on Elephant at this moment? Maybe there isn't an explicit townread but she sure seems open to working with him against vanity at the moment:
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:32 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:50 am To be absolutely clear, I do not scumread strong player bias per se, nor do I believe that only those players who have posted reads lists today have it. I do suspect the attempt to limit the day's activity to pushes on the weaker players only.
The strong player bias certainly exists and is a real trap that town can often fall into that makes it progressively harder to sniff out deepwolves because certain people are just granted townreads based on style as if they're scum they can coast on that. I'm glad you're bringing it up, the sooner we scrutinize our "strong player" townreads the better.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:11 pm Anyway yeah I am liking elephant's vanity case

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:38 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm @vanity. sorry dude, like I said I won't blame you for not being around, but please address this post:

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:23 am @vanity. you don't have a huge number of D2 posts, and in most of them you have some focus on whether or not certain players were on the Drago wagon and ensuring that we consider potential bussing. I feel like we all reached a consensus that yes we need to look for bussers but somehow your contributions stop there and you haven't been very active in our actual hunting activity so far. If it's just a time issue I won't hold it against you but I do expect a little more when you're available.
And please also address the actual points in elephant's iso. I will probably move off you but only if you take this pressure seriously.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:25 am
vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:27 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:26 pm When will I be mislynched btw? I want to know when it's ready
why are you so concerned about being lynched today? just because you didn't vote on the wolf wagon?
Not a fan of this post
Still against Vanity at this point, and then....
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:11 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:57 pm Ugh vanity, the only thing Im nervous about is how concerned you are about how "villagery" you've been. That just makes me suspect you're a wolf that thinks he played a clean game and deserves credit.
But he did the same thing in wc1 to some extent.

I'm still uneasy about him but not feeling great about actually voting him anymore. [VOTE: boo] aubergine
Nothing done to resolve the Elephant vs. Vanity conflict. I'll give her some leeway here though, since things weren't really all that clear at that time.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:11 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:51 pm Most all of us were read as scum by some at some point in the day (nutella I think we all saw as town all the way through).
And Benson. He and I were both pretty clear of suspicion.

You, LC, and TL I have varying levels of concern about but after yesterday I think it's likely one of elephant or vanity is scum, maybe with TL also based on how that went down.
It's subtle, but she's still pushing that Elephant vs Vanity agenda here. TLib, who Vanity is voting for currently, is also thrown in here, too, as a possible partner to them.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:25 pm @Creature why aren't you scum

@Elephant why aren't you scum

I'ma start with a vote for one of you two probs

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:05 pm [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:50 pm @nutella did you see my questions to you? If you don't want to talk about both, maybe you could just talk about Elephant since you voted him.
I just feel like he's the most likely scum in this bunch rn, partially poe and partially his thread activity/pushes on d2 (and some on d1). Like in general he seems like he might have an agenda. Could be teamed with TL I guess. I will do more in depth research in a bit, see how I feel about him in relation to Drago and such.
Switching back to the "Elephant is scum" side again.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:32 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:05 pm [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine
[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine
[VOTE: vanity] aubergine
Mmm?
Here, I placed a vote on Vanity to compete with the Elephant wagon.
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:33 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:32 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:50 am hyena why are you such a tough case to crack every time you're in the game...

like i want to say this is villa hyena but... idk what else to say. i don't think it's that simple tbh
I like making this complicated. :P Keeps the game fun.
Actually that's a p bad post from vanity

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:38 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:35 pm Nutella, you've called Vanity potential scum a couple times, but you haven't seemed to really push on him all that much from what I've seen. Is there something going on between you two? :P
I'm hesitant to vote for him bc I keep getting pushed back to thinking he's town but at the moment I'm leaning more toward taking suspicion of him more seriously
Swinging BAAAACK to "vanity is more suspicious"
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:47 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:26 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:12 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:10 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:09 pm is flavor claiming even legal in this game?
JJJ said in the rules post we can claim character but not role or abilities.
Nice I tottaly missed that does it give us anything to flavor claim?
....what is this

you've like, read your role pm right?

or are you scum with a safe claim like dragomir's that you missed somehow lol
This is related to the townslip from him I mentioned yesterday. :P Suppose TL /didn't/ have a fakeclaim and didn't have a role that looked similar to the VTs that have been flipped so far, like Dragomir's for example (he flipped as FORGER). What would that lead you to believe?

(again though, take it with a huuuuge grain of salt)
sure ok
Doesn't challenge me on my TLib read here despite scumreading(?) him earlier.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
Supports flipping one of Vanity or Elephant here.
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:26 pmSure
Can we do vanity first or are you set on elephant?
Nah I'll probably be down for vanity. I didn't get around to investigating elephant more today like I meant to, though I might have a chance later or in the morning.
Down for Vanity first.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:24 pm Still waiting for some reaction from vanity to the wagon, but I could be down for an LC counter. I might be on the wrong track with Elephant, and Creature has a point that someone's gotta be skating by without much attention and LC is certainly a prime candidate for that position.
Then she's down for a counter wagon, lol.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:32 pm Nanook why do you think elephant and juliets are unlikely to be w/w? I was just considering that possibility so please enlighten me.

I find myself reaching the general conclusion that vanity is in fact the best choice for today. I have better reasons to townread just about everyone else. And I expect more of a fight from him as town.

Let's just do it [VOTE: vanity] aubergine
Back on board with a vanity lynch!
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:12 pm Ugh I do kind of believe the dumbtell though

back to [VOTE: elephant] aubergine
Then effortlessly swings back to voting Elephant, lol.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:05 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:15 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:12 pm yeah elephant's just a wolf. hope people sheep me glgl
I'm on board. I have a particular fear of being wrong about him specifically, but I feel bad enough about his play on balance that I feel okay voting him over you here.
On board with Vanity to lynch Elephant again!
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:17 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:15 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:12 pm yeah elephant's just a wolf. hope people sheep me glgl
I'm on board. I have a particular fear of being wrong about him specifically, but I feel bad enough about his play on balance that I feel okay voting him over you here.
you fear being wrong on him? why did you think he was town?
I'd rather not elaborate rn
TBH, I would personally like for you to elaborate because it feels like you don't have good reasons to explain why you're "townreading" either of Elephant or Vanity.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:18 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:16 pm for the record wolves almost certainly voted on me while i was away so guess i'm lock clear xd
How many wolves do you think are in this group? Anyone you specifically think may be teamed with elephant?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:15 pm Welcome to the town core elephant and juliets

For me it’s between vanity and creature for the kill, nutes I’m guessing you want vanity over creature based off a snippet of a post I saw from you thay was a TR for creature I think?
Ugh idk. I switched very quickly to really thinking vanity is town.

Not totally convinced on the elephant/juliets thing but I guess I can't ask for why I should be.

Maybe we should just lynch ty4on
"Ayy, let's lynch Ty instead of doing what I said I wanted to do earlier and flip one of Elephant or Vanity."

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:07 am Like, do I really need to go on? Nutella has been swinging wherever the tide goes between Elephant and Vanity, and then, when she has had a chance to flip one of them, she hasn't. TWICE.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:29 pm @Hyena I don't remember you strong arming her - are you talking about your big post on how many times she flipped on him? Or something else?

Yes.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm I don't know that I'd agree with that, I like to think I made the decision myself

I mean, you did kinda flip-flop a couple times before you came to your final decision. :P

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:30 pm And now for something completely different.

@nutella @Long Con @Trustworthy Liberal @Elephant @juliets @Hyena

Am I right in characterising things this way: Elephant started the vanity wagon and together with mainly T Lib and Hyena powered it through each round?

I admit to at times glazing over and skimming, so I want to know how you guys feel it evolved.

Based on estimated numbers, there are clearly at least two scum amongst you, quite likely more considering you started with 11 in your level. You guys form a grouping that needs solving too.

So, Elephant cased Vanity and was the main pusher on him on D2. After D2, though, I started seriously pushing on Vanity, at times more than Elephant. As far as influence over what happened goes, Elephant and I probably had equal influence, Nutella resisted and flip-flopped a couple times between Elephant and Vanity, and TLib kinda just sheeped us. That's from my perspective at least.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm @Hyena, the more I think about it the more I can see potential agenda in your play. You were one of the hardest pushers of vanity, and yet you took a brief detour on d4 onto me, criticizing my multiple flip-flops on vanity. It's not too hard to see a scum motive for you trying to see if a push on me would take off to stretch us out to yet another mislynch while keeping vanity on the table. I am actively forcing myself to no longer assume you are town, so if you are, make sure it keeps shining through or my tinfoil will gain ground.

Understood.

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Also, it feels like everybody is treating Nutella's involvement with Vanity's lynch equally with mine and Elephant's. I kinda strong-armed her into voting Vanity on D4. Does that change anyone's perspective?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:35 am Hyena, what can you tell me about Pawn Lelouch? What is your opinion of this exchange?

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Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:24 pm I am at work, and unable to post much. I have meeting coming up soon (that includes a 50-slide Power Point about how to have a meeting ), but...

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:34 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:26 am but i mean yeah your logics a bit weird

wouldnt keeping him alive to keep sussing the towncore sow suspicion on its own?

why would scum assume people would even remember nooks reads
Yes, but Nook was relatively low impact in the thread so he probably wouldn't make much progress and might even be convinced to change his mind. Better to go for the guarantee rather than a gamble.

Because it's good town play to look back at those who died to try and divine the intent as to why they died. Since there is always a discernible reason behind a scum nightkill. The trick is actually figuring it out. Plus remembering the reads of one of 14 other players is far easier than that of 29 other players. Especially since scum could potentially just point it out themselves in thread as a reason why Nook could have been a silencing kill. So there's a fair chance that town would easily remember the reads or scum would just state it themselves.

I'm basically assuming that Epi is scum based off this as I read into the kill more and more. If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view, which fits my mental image of Epi's style and even is something he has stated in previous days.
...this is rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

First, the qualifiers indicate someone who knows what he is saying is rubbish. "Basically assuming" is equivocal language. "As I read into the kill more and more" is a vague way to make it sound as though this perspective bears credibility. It doesn't. This is an attempt to appear analytical. The little lecture that precedes the accusation rings hollow.

Second, Pawn, who knows nothing about me and has no prior experience with me, suggests that he can correctly peg me specifically as killing Nanook. Nonsense. In fact, if you remember, Nanook was among my top suspects coming into Day 2. From my perspective, the incessant posts begging for credit for lynching Dragomir looked too on the nose. If I were mafia, I would have been confident I could have gathered support for a Nanook lynch. No- Nanook would not have been in my top ten choices for a kill.

Third, the accusation is empty. Any victim could be a "methodical" choice for the Night kill. What makes the Nanook kill specifically a methodical choice (as opposed to, say, an Evenstar kill or a Pawn kill)? The accusation is based on multiple assumptions that don't even support it.

Fourth, the basis for this accusation against me is at present non-falsifiable. "If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view" is nothing that can be proved or disproved until endgame.

This is rubbish.

Do you think these are Pawn's genuine opinions?

Actually, yes, they could be. Based on the vibe I've gotten from Pawn, I think he would be the type of player to go for tinfoil reads like this one. I make reads like this, too, occasionally. This is NAI most likely.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:02 pm
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FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.
Subconscious Phase 4 has ended.

vanity. was lynched. He was:

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You are the subconscious aspect of love.

You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.

During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.

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Inception Phase 4 begins now. You have 24 hours until 6:00 PM EST to get your actions to both hosts.

this is sad btw.

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the poll says he was lynched with 5 votes from
Elephant
Juliets
Hyena
Nutella
TL

There is at least one scum.

With Long Con in that group, there's at most two scum there. Benson and Creature were initially part of the group, too, but they got NK'd and flipped town. We lynched Spiny D2, who also flipped town, and we think a Vig shot DFar, who also flipped town. Knowing all this, do you really think it's bold to call that many of our group scum even ignoring the fact that you named everyone alive today except for Long Con? We had our reasons for lynching who did. Why don't you and the others take a look at them and evaluate us from there? :P

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:19 am
112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:16 am Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly
Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

It wasn't just Elephant. I was a major influence in that, and Nutella, too, to a much lesser degree. Everybody else kinda just followed or went against it.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:32 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:24 pm Elephant, it might just be me but you seem a tad more... overwhelmed(???) today with everyone back? Like, I don't feel like you're trying to have as much influence over the thread as you did the past couple days, whereas nutella is still, like, consistently showing her presence here.
I feel as overwhelmed as I was on D0 and D1; please also consider that SoD is midnight for me. I was surprised myself to to see you un-vote and un-use your vote; I took that as a sign that you are somewhat disoriented as well, is that correct? The sane thing to do seems to be to finally find the scum we have been hunting for in our group, since everyone has access to our posts, but we can only see their D0/D1 work.

Right, I forgot SoD was midnight for you. I unvoted because I decided again that I wasn't going to cooperate with LLD since I don't really know much about the state of the game right now in terms of the ratio of town to mafia to 3P.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:41 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:25 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:24 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm Anyway, 112 and Evenstar are the two people I want lynched. 112 to see if D1's wagons were v/w or w/w, and Evenstar just for stuff at EoD1.

Yup. Come at me.
I just said I wanted to hunt in our group. What would a 112 lynch really do for us? Whom would it help solve for you?

If she flips scum, the people on the Dragomir wagon have less town cred than people think. If she flips town, those people have more town cred. Plus, I think she's scum. I'm up for trying to going after someone from in our group. I just need people to see that we had reasons for thinking Vanity was scum rather than blanket calling us scummy for doing it.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:11 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.
Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I didn't see it when it happened, but I remember nutella and others talking about it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:41 am this is sad btw.

viewtopic.php?p=566869#p566869
the poll says he was lynched with 5 votes from
Elephant
Juliets
Hyena
Nutella
TL

There is at least one scum.
Agreed. Vanity was so pure and whilst I haven't re-read this yet I can't imagine there are not scum here.

It's a bunch of people I'm about too, so I don't have anyone I won't consider here.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:42 pm [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

anyone who doesn't see this now should just trust me

Nah

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:41 pm And Evenstar, even if you are a civilian, you are derailing matters. I'm comfortable lynching you regardless.

How was it you put it?

Ah yes.

I need you...resolved.
tbqh i'm resigned to the stomp if this thread can't see scum as obvious as you, hyena and nutella

and yeah, I agree I do need resolved

dunno why you want me resolved before radishes and why you blew 'stop taking credit four times for the same post' into a serious lynch attempt, though

seriously, you will fucking know it if and when I decide you actually need to be lynched
That was tongue in cheek.

Nobody needs to be "resolved." That's lazy-talk.

My frustration with you is that you exuded a civilian confidence and then you went and lost your mind about me over the most inane reasons. I can't support you for that any longer.

No, people need to get resolved, or the game gets super-stale to me. It's not lazy-talk. It keeps the game moving.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:54 pm [VOTE: 112] aubergine

If 112 is town I will literally shit my pants. I will shit inside my pants as I wear them.

Me too, really.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:58 pm I will vote to ensure one of my suspects dies. No tie bullshit.

Ties are fun.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:00 pm I am looking at that elephant vote on Nutella and it's giving me major neg vibes. How tf is that the best place for a vote right now?

With the knowledge that Elephant thinks there are scum in the group that stayed here D2 and that he wants to solve that group, is Nutella a better-looking vote? Who else from that group would you prefer Elephant to vote?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:59 pm gonna go check that to make sure it's not just hyena having a sick sense of humor

but yeah, that's atrocious.

I'm happy that you know I'd say yes either way. <3

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:08 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:02 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.
it is so fucking good to see you again. help me dunk radishes please.
So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?
I have no clue what you're talking about but I very very much want to murder Hyena and Nutella right now.
I have no issues with a Hyena vote as of this spot in the thread. I called him scummy since D1.

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

Ur scum, bro.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:40 pm 112 - suspect.
Evenstar- suspect
Pawn - suspect

No way in hell I'm voting Hyena today.

Cool. I don't want to lynch you today either, but not because you don't want to lynch me. I figure that if we lynch you and you flip town, Eva will be able to find a good excuse to explain away everything and talk her way out of looking scummy for it. I haven't played with you before, so I dunno what you would do or how you'd try to play it off if we lynched Eva and she flipped town. :P

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:50 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.
Come at me.
wait,

you lynched spiny?
Yes. :P
[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

I am informed there is a vig

\o\
/o/
\o/!!

My boyfriend wants me to play Fortnite with him, but I've got some time before that happens.

FITE ME

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:50 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.
Come at me.
wait,

you lynched spiny?

Yes. :P

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Like, who was the main people pushing Evenstar and 112 in your threads?

I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

Come at me.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:44 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:33 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:30 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:19 pm lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3
because it's the same wall of reads he's been posting every day since literally the start of D2, and I am salty that this has been good enough to let him pass for town for this entire time
We, the people who stayed here and didn't split off with all of y'all, haven't seen all of those reads though. It's new info. Why don't you think it would be useful for us to see it?
tbqh I had completely forgotten about you guys.

Hey, that's harsh.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:39 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:36 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:31 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:29 pm More Evenstar and 112 stuff:
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:41 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:49 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:10 pm

Drago went after them very early in the game. Would he do that to a new teammate he's unfamiliar with?

lol, I remember this interaction and I remember thinking it was "over the top" enough that it could have been a w/w interaction based on the model I have in my head of Eva's playstyle. In this case, I think it would've been an attempt to distance from Dragomir. She also explicitly said that even though she didn't like Dragomir, she didn't want to lynch him yesterday, which was why had her vote on 112.

Interestingly enough, 112's vote was ON Evenstar, so they were both voting each other EoD.

My vote wasn't on Eva. LAL.
I just rechecked the votes again. I could've sworn they said you were voting Evenstar a while back.
Oh. I did vote for her at points. I thought you meant I ended on her.

No, that is what I meant. I thought you did end on her. It appears you didn't though???

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:31 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:29 pm More Evenstar and 112 stuff:
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:41 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:49 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:10 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:09 pm I still believe 112 was mafia as well.
Drago went after them very early in the game. Would he do that to a new teammate he's unfamiliar with?

lol, I remember this interaction and I remember thinking it was "over the top" enough that it could have been a w/w interaction based on the model I have in my head of Eva's playstyle. In this case, I think it would've been an attempt to distance from Dragomir. She also explicitly said that even though she didn't like Dragomir, she didn't want to lynch him yesterday, which was why had her vote on 112.

Interestingly enough, 112's vote was ON Evenstar, so they were both voting each other EoD.

My vote wasn't on Eva. LAL.

I just rechecked the votes again. I could've sworn they said you were voting Evenstar a while back.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:30 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:19 pm lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3
because it's the same wall of reads he's been posting every day since literally the start of D2, and I am salty that this has been good enough to let him pass for town for this entire time

We, the people who stayed here and didn't split off with all of y'all, haven't seen all of those reads though. It's new info. Why don't you think it would be useful for us to see it?

Hmm. I thought I had posted more stuff about them.

More Evenstar and 112 stuff:

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:41 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:49 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:10 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:09 pm I still believe 112 was mafia as well.
Drago went after them very early in the game. Would he do that to a new teammate he's unfamiliar with?

lol, I remember this interaction and I remember thinking it was "over the top" enough that it could have been a w/w interaction based on the model I have in my head of Eva's playstyle. In this case, I think it would've been an attempt to distance from Dragomir. She also explicitly said that even though she didn't like Dragomir, she didn't want to lynch him yesterday, which was why had her vote on 112.

Interestingly enough, 112's vote was ON Evenstar, so they were both voting each other EoD.

I'm gonna start posting thoughts I had while you all were gone that were about 112 and Evenstar.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:40 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:06 pm I have the votes from 4 pm till EOD at 6 listed by time of who voted who if you guys want me to post it.
If it's possible, can you give me the votes each time you saw them tied? My one big regret at EoD was not taking screenshots of who was on the tied wagons and all the movements between.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:06 pm elephant dfaraday creature boo all didn't vote on drago

2 of them voted on 112
Eh, none of that matters right now. All the info we forced out at EoD yesterday (e.g. wagon movements when votes were tied, inactivity, etc.) will be more useful once we've got a better idea about 112's alignment, because do you know who else didn't vote Dragomir? 112. I don't believe for a second that 112 being the counterwagon clears them.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:24 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm Anyway, 112 and Evenstar are the two people I want lynched. 112 to see if D1's wagons were v/w or w/w, and Evenstar just for stuff at EoD1.

Yup. Come at me.

[mention]Elephant[/mention], it might just be me but you seem a tad more... overwhelmed(???) today with everyone back? Like, I don't feel like you're trying to have as much influence over the thread as you did the past couple days, whereas nutella is still, like, consistently showing her presence here.

lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3

Actually, I changed my mind. I'm not voting nutella.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:47 pm How about lynch Nutella and if she flips town lynch me

How about that

I'm okay with that.
[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:36 pm I'm so fucking annoyed yet so relieved that people are back. But seriously, did you guys really just send us inactive players? WTF.
What's this mean?
It means he thinks he's better than everyone else lol
No. Actually, I -WANTED- your opinion specifically yesterday when I was trying to push Nutella because you had scumread her D1. A lot of the stuff that happened yesterday might not have happened if you actually thought Nutella was scum and helped me push her.

Thus, excuse me if I find it fucking opportunistic that you decide to speak up now after we've lynched Vanity.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:36 pm I'm so fucking annoyed yet so relieved that people are back. But seriously, did you guys really just send us inactive players? WTF.
What's this mean?
It means he thinks he's better than everyone else lol

No. Actually, I -WANTED- your opinion specifically yesterday when I was trying to push Nutella because you had scumread her D1. A lot of the stuff that happened yesterday might not have happened if you actually thought Nutella was scum and helped me push her.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:38 pm Fwiw Michelle was the only one giving shits in the hellscape level. She's town.

Okay, this is good to know, because I was going to go after her, too, D2, if we hadn't been split up.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:36 pm I'm so fucking annoyed yet so relieved that people are back. But seriously, did you guys really just send us inactive players? WTF.
What's this mean?
The people that got sent here (aside from Nanook) gave us zero input in this thread and just didn't play.

So, now that I'm seeing LLD actually playing when she was silent all of yesterday? No. Fuck that. Not listening to a word she has to say right now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:36 pm I'm so fucking annoyed yet so relieved that people are back. But seriously, did you guys really just send us inactive players? WTF.
What's this mean?

The people that got sent here (aside from Nanook) gave us zero input in this thread and just didn't play.

Anyway, 112 and Evenstar are the two people I want lynched. 112 to see if D1's wagons were v/w or w/w, and Evenstar just for stuff at EoD1.

I stand behind both of the Vanity lynch and the Spiny lynch. Come at me.

I'm so fucking annoyed yet so relieved that people are back. But seriously, did you guys really just send us inactive players? WTF.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:24 pm Nutella and Juliet are scum with the Creature flip and I should have been smarter I missed on my 50 50 cant say more than that.

Nope. You had your chance yesterday when I pushed on Nutella. I even specifically mentioned you twice, but you never even reacted or responded. I'm not helping you with this or any other lynch that you want to push. GTFO. :P

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?
Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.
when should have it been resolved do you think? it wasn't happening on d2 for sure lol. i wish it was resolved on d3 because we lost the tracker over me, and i didn't self-preserve because of my own reasons for think ty4on could've been town mechanically and generally.

it doesn't feel like nutella is avoiding to resolve us for any particularly reason. here's a question: what does nutella's alignment mean for my own and for elephant's?

And yeah, it should have been resolved yesterday, 100%, but now we're here again.

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?
Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.
when should have it been resolved do you think? it wasn't happening on d2 for sure lol. i wish it was resolved on d3 because we lost the tracker over me, and i didn't self-preserve because of my own reasons for think ty4on could've been town mechanically and generally.

it doesn't feel like nutella is avoiding to resolve us for any particularly reason. here's a question: what does nutella's alignment mean for my own and for elephant's?

I don't think Nutella can be with Elephant. Nutella can be acting independently, or with you. If she were to switch her vote to the counter wagon AGAIN, this would be the third time that her vote would be potentially preventing one of your or Elephant's lynch. Why don't you ask her why she didn't vote Elephant with you yesterday.

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?

Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:40 pm okay so here's the deal.

if you think you will never be able to find me as town this game, lynching me is the correct move. if you are not comfortable with ride or dying me, lynching me is the correct move. but if you're lynching me because you think you have to, then lynching me is absolutely not the right move. lynch me because you think i'm a wolf. don't lynch me for any other reason.

Yeah, if people are voting because they feel like they have to, like, don't do that. I'm voting because I don't feel comfortable calling Vanity a ride or die. I don't feel like I can call him town.

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.

Also, what made you change your mind on Elephant?

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.

I will care about your reads once you're gone.

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

If town, look at Elephant's arguments against you, TLib's votes on you, nutella's switches on and off you. If mafia, look at Long Con since he's voted with you a lot. Also nutella again and her swings on and off you. Dunno about 3p though. I'd probably treat it as a town flip though in terms of looking for mafia.

Alright, I'm back.

Anyway, EoD is in 3 hours if I'm not mistaken. I gotta go take care of some errands, but I should be back within an hour or two. Definitely won't miss EoD at the very least, ha. Take care, all!

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:54 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3
Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?
Oh man, I'm so glad this isn't an anon game. I'm always terrible at those, haha. And I understand! I've considered making a secret alt account for similar reasons. Unfortunately, I think my personality would inevitably bleed into my posts regardless, so I always thought it would be a futile effort for me, lol. Also, you're not an imposter! D:<
You would be surprise i played one on MU recently and thought the same thing but wasn't found (funnily enough was killed there by town as town for a play i would of usually gotten away with)

I recently played an Anon Turbo game on MU, and Evenstar happened to be playing, too... she guessed me correctly by D2, lol.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3
Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

Oh man, I'm so glad this isn't an anon game. I'm always terrible at those, haha. And I understand! I've considered making a secret alt account for similar reasons. Unfortunately, I think my personality would inevitably bleed into my posts regardless, so I always thought it would be a futile effort for me, lol. Also, you're not an imposter! D:<

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:38 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:31 pm [VOTE: Vanity] aubergine

I'm committed to it. I'm not going to strongarm you into voting him Nutella, but I think this is the way we need to go. If I'm wrong, you can beat me up tomorrow for it. :P
Your vote seems to not be reflected in the poll yet.

Fixed!

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