The Syndicate

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:58 pm pawn epig 112 is my spicy list of 3 I guess but I don't want any to die today

I'm tempted to go for the 112 lynch just for the tasty tasty information but I'm going to hold off

I think they have enough town equity to deserve another day

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:56 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:52 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm WELL I GUESS ILL TAKE THE PISS AGAIN

SO MUCH FOR TRYING MY BEST HUH JACK? BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAST EVERYONES FUCKIGN EGO

I’m voting between “This game is bastard+anime gifs”, “this game is bastard syndicate is scum”, and my fucking self

Good night

Fuck off
@Pawn Lelouch @Master Radishes
Are you two very very sure about putting this guy up as an option
Remember my earlier readlist and his place in it. Sure, part of it was people saying they were moving him down when I was trying to make the consensus, another part was signaling my vote based on that group and my original list in how they differ.

sure fine whatever

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:54 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:52 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm WELL I GUESS ILL TAKE THE PISS AGAIN

SO MUCH FOR TRYING MY BEST HUH JACK? BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAST EVERYONES FUCKIGN EGO

I’m voting between “This game is bastard+anime gifs”, “this game is bastard syndicate is scum”, and my fucking self

Good night

Fuck off
@Pawn Lelouch @Master Radishes
Are you two very very sure about putting this guy up as an option
Don't you read Radishes as scum, why are you concerned with his options?

Because he's one of the people putting Sprityo up and I want to be able to nail him to the wall if Sprityo gets lynched and flips town

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm WELL I GUESS ILL TAKE THE PISS AGAIN

SO MUCH FOR TRYING MY BEST HUH JACK? BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAST EVERYONES FUCKIGN EGO

I’m voting between “This game is bastard+anime gifs”, “this game is bastard syndicate is scum”, and my fucking self

Good night

Fuck off

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] [mention]Master Radishes[/mention]
Are you two very very sure about putting this guy up as an option

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:36 pm My three would be Spirt, Epi and Mac I reckon

mild spice, like a watered-down curry

you had your chance to play the game over the last 96 hours of Day

either give me something with serious heat or get out of my kitchen

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:33 pm Have we settled on a threesome yet?

I want Sprit and Nova in there. Can't decide on a third at the moment.

Pawn endorses these two and we need one fast so I guess I'll endorse them as well

better a bad decision than no decision

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:27 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:00 am i personally have no non syndicate scum reads anymore
this should be a red flag to you that you are not doing well this game unless you're bad

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:07 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:03 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:47 pm investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!
Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.
@MacDougall Confirm or deny?
why is this necessary?

"trust, but verify"

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:30 pm effen theorem: players who don't care at eod are scummy

effen theorem corollary: players who only show up at eod and suddenly look really solvy are scummy

good post

also I'm stealing this name to put next to the hoya theorem in my toolkit

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:26 pm is late at me i will submit my PM in 10 mins and wish us luck.
if my Poe of Nova, Quin and LLD is wrong please say it asap.

Sprityo and Colin can wait.

From outside this thread my top scum is Elephant but he is not here, and i think i can put him in good company with Hyena.

I disagree with this but mostly for mechanical/metagame reasons so you do you I guess

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:06 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:02 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:54 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:53 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:51 pm yeep, 1 hour to deadline
Yikes, time to try and push for some consolidation then.
Yeah uh we got some work to do
I think pretty much everyone is fine with Nova and Sprit, with the third for everyone varying between players. That sound about right? @ everyone
I am not super cool with a sprityo lynch, to be honest. He seems genuine and when he's here in thread he does good work. Feels like a case of low volume being interpreted as scummy imo.
Mainly trying to narrow down who the consenus 3 are right now. Most of the people in thread were saying they were moving him down in the last 15 minutes or so and I don't think I've really seen anyone actually townreading nova.

Who do you think are the consenus 3 we need to decide between and use to hint at final votes? Since we need to establish that asap so we have the most time possible and any voice weighing in on it helps immensely.

I feel like the consensus is {Nova/Dom/Colin}. Both quin and LLD are also getting heat, but I trust that LLD can clear herself if she's town and I'm hoping we have a vig to take care of quin.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:54 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:53 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:51 pm yeep, 1 hour to deadline
Yikes, time to try and push for some consolidation then.
Yeah uh we got some work to do
I think pretty much everyone is fine with Nova and Sprit, with the third for everyone varying between players. That sound about right? @ everyone

I am not super cool with a sprityo lynch, to be honest. He seems genuine and when he's here in thread he does good work. Feels like a case of low volume being interpreted as scummy imo.

... I'm gonna put it out there, let's not lynch Epignosis today. The late wagon on him D1 still makes me feel like the scum tried to dunk him as an alternative to Dragomir. Even though his Godfather thing is wigging me out, he's a good enough player that he ought to be able to self resolve, and if he's town I'd feel like a damn idiot.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:53 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:51 pm yeep, 1 hour to deadline
Yikes, time to try and push for some consolidation then.

Yeah uh we got some work to do

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:49 pm Open question:

How do we feel about 112 today?

I...kind of liked? But not enough to raise them beyond null-.

They would give good info but they have decent town equity and they're actually playing the game. I'm inclined to give them another day.

yeep, 1 hour to deadline

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:32 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:27 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:24 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:23 pm The dark mechanic in particular deserved way more time and focus that it never got. I might have to make a setup stealing that gimmick now.
The dark mechanic? What was that?
Many roles had extra hidden powers that only turned on after night two, or had their power change completely. For example there was a mason that lost private chat with their alive partner but became a medium to their dead partner, a doctor that became a compulsive macho-inflictor, etc.
So essentially a less standardized idea of the original fae game we discussed awhile back, just with a slightly different trigger mechanic?

Fae Game is also a polarityhunt, but yes, it was a similar idea.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:29 pmI rolled vt lmao

same

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:28 pm That game deserved a 24/24 imo.

Very much agreed. Great mechanics, not enough time for them to get real use. I might also have not had ITAS.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:24 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:23 pm The dark mechanic in particular deserved way more time and focus that it never got. I might have to make a setup stealing that gimmick now.
The dark mechanic? What was that?

Many roles had extra hidden powers that only turned on after night two, or had their power change completely. For example there was a mason that lost private chat with their alive partner but became a medium to their dead partner, a doctor that became a compulsive macho-inflictor, etc.

Where did jack go?

The dark mechanic in particular deserved way more time and focus that it never got. I might have to make a setup stealing that gimmick now.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:19 pm I was 100% onto dog and mummy by the time I died but pensive and cat were just tilting me too much

was also low-key onto mouse the whole time but didn't voice it at all so it doesn't count I guess

Mouse was obvscum late but I didn't want to move and potentially allow a votesplit that wouldn't lynch scum
Wish the game had had the cycle to be worth playing properly

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:17 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:14 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:09 pm god damn pensive pilot was town

how do u just throw a bitchfit when I say calling werewolfs block bad is level 1 af

I was right too
Dragon, fairy, mouse, nun and scientist all scum

pirate was town, god

Dog and Mummy deserved the win though, they played well

frankly though I feel it was more a town loss than a wolf win

12/12 cycle definitely did not help
Ew, 12/12 WOAT. Nothing will ever change this in my mind. I'd prefer to play the weekly cycles on Mafiascum over that.

Honestly I like the week-long cycles on MS. They let you dip in and out of the thread on your own schedule, because almost nobody has enough WIM to spam the thread continuously for a month

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:09 pm god damn pensive pilot was town

how do u just throw a bitchfit when I say calling werewolfs block bad is level 1 af

I was right too

Dragon, fairy, mouse, nun and scientist all scum

pirate was town, god

Dog and Mummy deserved the win though, they played well

frankly though I feel it was more a town loss than a wolf win

12/12 cycle definitely did not help

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:03 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:39 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:07 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:12 pm Michelle, what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.
it very much depends on setup, but a role madness with forbidden claims should have a powetful godfather with maybe hidden mechanics.

112s AI doesn't matter and i don't want to speculate about a read i don't have yet
... does the Syndicate do roles that only partially flip on death often? Especially in an environment where the mechanics are already depriving Town of information?

Yeah, I don't buy that this is a real thought. Not being willing to comment on 112 when a page ago you were annoyed at me for "not having a settled read of you" - something that wasn't even true, by the way, I think you're scum - is also a bad look.
you don't have to buy i'm not selling amything.
i didn't have time to write more because i was busy irl and i am also not focused on 112. I can't consider him villager just for being cw but i really don't want to rush a read on him.
You complained you don't have my meta. The MU anon mash finished and had me as Coarsed Cowboy and you were the Dainty Deer. I succeded to spot you villagery very short after you implied yourself in the game.

You talked about me in a shady way That has no connection with the fact i don't give you my read on 112 I don't want to speculate i want to think better at it.

1: That was a bad game
2: thinking about it makes me feel like you just might be town here given everything you did that made me scumread you there
3: I'm like 50% sure that that giant posting lull in the middle of D1 was because like five people got pinged to go play in the halloween mash, lol
4: ugh
5: please do better in this game than that one

also [mention]iaafr[/mention] [mention]Master Radishes[/mention] [mention]Michelle[/mention] GTH time

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:59 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:44 pm Rabbit
Radishes

Gth are they town or scum?
town
scum
any thoughts on pawn for like the most recent 12 hours of posting?

not a gth question just a straight up question

they've been the standard ambiguous pawn
I do think the reads are kind of safe but they also agree strongly with mine, I just have michelle/Colin in that third shot slot instead of Quin
given we're from the same forum and are used to the same meta, that's a good sign imo

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:52 pm Pawn
Epi

Town
Scum

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:48 pm Lol this game is also know as “Jack asks for Nova’s reads.”

Mac
Quin

town
town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:44 pm Rabbit
Radishes

Gth are they town or scum?

town
scum

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:46 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:39 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:07 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:12 pm Michelle, what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.
it very much depends on setup, but a role madness with forbidden claims should have a powetful godfather with maybe hidden mechanics.

112s AI doesn't matter and i don't want to speculate about a read i don't have yet
... does the Syndicate do roles that only partially flip on death often? Especially in an environment where the mechanics are already depriving Town of information?

Yeah, I don't buy that this is a real thought. Not being willing to comment on 112 when a page ago you were annoyed at me for "not having a settled read of you" - something that wasn't even true, by the way, I think you're scum - is also a bad look.
Depends

It’s more common in Open Setups where the roles are already known but they have secrets

Usually these secrets are revealed upon death

Do you think it's likely in this setup?

[mention]sprityo[/mention], since I see you lurking there. Michelle did raise a decent point earlier: why do you read her as scum but not Dom?

(phone posting at uni, have about an hour until exam, fingers crossed)

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:07 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:12 pm Michelle, what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.
it very much depends on setup, but a role madness with forbidden claims should have a powetful godfather with maybe hidden mechanics.

112s AI doesn't matter and i don't want to speculate about a read i don't have yet

... does the Syndicate do roles that only partially flip on death often? Especially in an environment where the mechanics are already depriving Town of information?

Yeah, I don't buy that this is a real thought. Not being willing to comment on 112 when a page ago you were annoyed at me for "not having a settled read of you" - something that wasn't even true, by the way, I think you're scum - is also a bad look.

well, off to that midterm now

see y'all

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:32 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:25 pm I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now
What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:39 am I wanna know what @Quin thinks about all this?
he's pretty tired and regretful of not keeping up but unashamedly thinks he'll do better once more of you are dead

but not you mac, you should live

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:15 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:19 am quin pushed tsp in a not aligned way imo so I have him clear assuming tsp scum
this post is really interesting
also I did a quick iso of quin because people reminded me they exist

yeah, this can die

ideally vig it though

jsyk these are their only two posts today

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:39 am I wanna know what @Quin thinks about all this?
he's pretty tired and regretful of not keeping up but unashamedly thinks he'll do better once more of you are dead

but not you mac, you should live

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:15 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:19 am quin pushed tsp in a not aligned way imo so I have him clear assuming tsp scum
this post is really interesting

also I did a quick iso of quin because people reminded me they exist

yeah, this can die

ideally vig it though

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:21 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:19 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:17 pm If I squinted, I could see Michelle and Eva as scum for getting mad at me about my Radish posts without actually reading them and go all in an exact opposite galaxy brain read from Rabbit’s.

Isn't Michelle one of yours??
She’s third party for playing here a few times and MU a lot.

I see, I see.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:17 pm If I squinted, I could see Michelle and Eva as scum for getting mad at me about my Radish posts without actually reading them and go all in an exact opposite galaxy brain read from Rabbit’s.

Isn't Michelle one of yours??

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:17 pm If I squinted, I could see Michelle and Eva as scum for getting mad at me about my Radish posts without actually reading them and go all in an exact opposite galaxy brain read from Rabbit’s.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:15 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:42 am
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:17 am @ColinIsCool
Can I get your opinions of Jack, Nova and Epi?
Jack I have never ever been able to read and I certainly won’t start now. He’s a weird mix of helpful and chaotic.

Nova in my scumpile alongside LDL (saw some good by Epi maybe calling them out) and I guess Quin but not really cause he’s not even here and idk.

Epi in my townpile with Mac and Radishes.
Speaking of LLD, do you think her annoyance with the game is genuine? I personally was really ticked about the new ruleset, but now that I'm actually playing with it I'm starting to warm up to it a bit.
It seemed genuine in the moment as I read but stepping back a little — and framed the way Epi framed it — it felt a bit over-the-top. Like if you’re actually mad I’d think you’d just walk away for a while.

Hmmm.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:14 pm thanks Jack that's sweet from you

by the way nice avatar

Musashi from Vagabond, yeah?

[mention]Michelle[/mention], what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:42 am
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:17 am @ColinIsCool
Can I get your opinions of Jack, Nova and Epi?
Jack I have never ever been able to read and I certainly won’t start now. He’s a weird mix of helpful and chaotic.

Nova in my scumpile alongside LDL (saw some good by Epi maybe calling them out) and I guess Quin but not really cause he’s not even here and idk.

Epi in my townpile with Mac and Radishes.

Speaking of LLD, do you think her annoyance with the game is genuine? I personally was really ticked about the new ruleset, but now that I'm actually playing with it I'm starting to warm up to it a bit.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:56 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:52 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:49 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:47 pm investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!
Oh, really? Hm. Yeah that’s fair then.
pls spell out why you thought godfather was important role before
Because the Godfather role typically has big protections that other scum don’t — protections that enable them to survive longer. Fooling cops is one but there are often more like being unkillable to some extent. I guess I don’t know if there was more to it than that but I have been assuming there had been, which would make them valuable, which would make them unlikely to be the last-minute-lynch-pile target from teammates.

... So Colin, what are you doing here?

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
Can I get your opinions of Jack, Nova and Epi?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:06 am
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:51 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:49 am
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:46 am ... so heavy tunnels with no clear reason are just habitually assumed to be mech-motivated?

hyena must be laughing his head off right now
I didn’t say that.

The cop finds things out. They convey information as best as they can to guide the rest of the town, whether that be as a player or post-mortem.

That’s it.
dead people can't talk though? How did that easter mafia thing work if the guy could only point out the softs after the game was over?
There was claiming in that game actually but a clever user theoretically could have noticed because the phrase was so out there, something like “Wanna get rabbit soup?”

That's pretty cheeky, honestly. I like it.

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