The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:33 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:26 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:25 am Good morning folks. Just spent an hour reading (er, some skimming) to catch up. AMA. My answer will undoubtedly be 'dunno, don't remember what was said'.
Why are you voting for a confirmed civilian?
Word your question fairly or don't bother asking it.
Why are you voting for tedxtr?

Early on in the game, I felt he was hedging his bets and trying to appear casual and such. This was a very early D1 read, and I didn't pursue it very far. As Ted progressed, I didn't find anything in particular that cleared him. He seemed to pick his spots and his posts continued to leave me uninspired. He seemed to be scumhunting to some extent, but I didn't see anything that made me think a wolf couldn't fake it.

I had moved my vote to FG a long while back and was looking to move off it. The other two wagons (LC, Leetic) were people I had also voiced mild suspicion of, but I decided to make it a 3-way wagon instead because (a) I hadn't yet revisited my Ted read properly and still felt him null at best, and (b) to see if that affected how others chose to place their votes.

It should be noted that now, as I've skimmed through the game since his outburst, I've been trying harder to read him as town!Ted, and I feel I can see him now. I hate using this as a rationale, but truth be told it's the fact that his frustrated feelings haven't abated that make me think he's a townie feeling wronged. Some people can fake emotion long-term, but I can only think of two (Eva and someone from my home site) who can do it properly.

@ted History, Geography, and English teacher, yes. Also currently some Religious Studies and have taught Media Studies in the past.

I'll get around to your thoughts on me later. That's a wall and walls take time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:26 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:25 am Good morning folks. Just spent an hour reading (er, some skimming) to catch up. AMA. My answer will undoubtedly be 'dunno, don't remember what was said'.
Why are you voting for a confirmed civilian?

Word your question fairly or don't bother asking it.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:27 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:32 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:29 pm [VOTE: funnygurl555] aubergine
Why? Why not LC?
I want us to talk about something different. What has Funnygurl done that makes her town?
Her play style reflects that of a town than a scum.
Her play style is completely null.

I accept meta info from leetic, but that doesn't mean it's a bad vote right now.
No, I disagree. She's super casual and nonchalant in her posts. Everything feels natural, even some of the occasional awkwardness. She speaks her mind and doesn't care. A play style that reflects one of a town than a scum.

I disagree with your disagreement. Plenty of wolves can be super casual and nonchalant, and FG strikes me as the type to play similarly game to game regardless of alignment.

But this was many moons ago, when she had only posted a handful of times. Currently, I'm content calling her a town read now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:16 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:45 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:37 pm Why am I still scum to you? ts account
Right now the way you are behaving gives me the sense you want to be in control for the EOD, and all I can say is that does not make me feel so good about you. I do not think I would hang you today, however.
I want to like this read because it sounds cool, but I don't understand it. Explain what you mean?
"This could provide me an easy excuse to vote for a player! Please say more to make that easier for me."

Misinterpreted. Genuine curiosity - I didn't understand what he meant by 'want to be in control for the EoD' (or, rather, how Drago was exhibiting such behaviour, especially so far out from EoD). It sounds like a new angle on reading the game I hadn't considered before.

He did explain it a few posts later, as I recall. I didn't fully agree but at least saw what he meant to say.

Good morning folks. Just spent an hour reading (er, some skimming) to catch up. AMA. My answer will undoubtedly be 'dunno, don't remember what was said'.

Understood. As I say, I didn't clock I was actually pushing your buttons.

I was going to watch a movie with my wife anyway, so I'll pop back later and discuss other matters when I do.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:58 pm Have a proper debate like a real man, no need to make it personal by applying snark. You just lost any ounce of teamwork you had with me. I'm actually going to solve, but I am still frustrated.

Don't ever talk to me again this game. I don't want to work with you (that is, even if you're town).

All you need is a case, you don't need to put your balls on the table, it only makes you look like you don't actually believe in your case and feel the need to harass every post of mine and twist it in order to make your case better. You know that your reasoning isn't strong enough to force a wagon on me so you make petty comments like that.

Ted, I'm sorry for being snarky. I'm a snarky person, it felt like you were getting snarky, and so I upped my snark. Honestly, I'm sorry. I was looking at it in jest - I'm enjoying the game. I didn't catch on that you were becoming genuinely frustrated.

I'll step back for now. Play without me for a bit.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:43 pm Geez Drago, how are you doing it? How are you able to defend yourself *and* solve the game?
What? I wasn't complaining about defending myself and solving the game.

(I was being snide about Ted)

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:37 pm Why am I still scum to you? @ts account
Right now the way you are behaving gives me the sense you want to be in control for the EOD, and all I can say is that does not make me feel so good about you. I do not think I would hang you today, however.

I want to like this read because it sounds cool, but I don't understand it. Explain what you mean?

Geez Drago, how are you doing it? How are you able to defend yourself *and* solve the game?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:35 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:34 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:14 pm Point being I can do amazing stuff D2 and beyond.
Oh, okay, I'll just vote for someone who sucks after D1 then.
So why aren't you voting for yourself?

How'd that Inception game go for you anyway?

^^ If you wanna be sarcastic, Ted, we can dance.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:09 pm Master radishes you literally can’t read me, please switch to leetic.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:21 pm I need the night for myself, I can’t both defend myself against cases and solve, you can’t possibly expect me to do that

Yeah, you're right, sorry. It's unfair in Mafia to make a person defend themselves and scumhunt.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:14 pm Point being I can do amazing stuff D2 and beyond.

Oh, okay, I'll just vote for someone who sucks after D1 then.

I've not seen much discussion about my root veg cousin. On a general tone level, I kind of like TH so far. Anyone have anything to add?

I'm going to assume TSP is normally this in the background.

[VOTE: Tedxtr] aubergine

3 way tie, let's go!

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:43 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:27 pmI think you're being a bit generous in giving out your +s. E.g. his opener was okay, but +2? That's an opening post a wolf could definitely make. And with the last couple posts, I actually felt leetic's insistence that Drago come up with reads on me/Ted was a bit contrived - Drago had explained he wasn't going to and didn't need to, and leetic tried to make it sound like that was unthinkable, which I don't think it is.
I did start this while drinking last night. Maybe I was overly generous with the +2's, but I still would give +1's for them... or maybe a +1, then a +2 for the second post because a wolf could be satisfied with the optics of the first post, but a civilian who believes in what they're doing pushes more with a second.

I didn't read the Drago thing that way at all. "Drago had explained he wasn't going to and didn't need to"... that sounds really reasonable, more reasonable than "what, you want random thoughts out of thin air??" deserves. And I disagree that leetic implied it was UNTHINKABLE, he just said "they should at least be able to make you feel something about them" because they had enough posts.

I would've called the first post a 0 but the second post was a +1 or so, I agree.

I guess I just agree with Drago that he doesn't need to force a thought about two players he's not tried to read yet. Both then became stubborn about it, but I felt that leetic's tone came across as trying to build a case, whereas Drago was just being obstinate. It's a subjective read - agree to disagree.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:37 pm MR is your case on me the same as it was on page 2?

Also, a serious response: yeah, but with other things you've said/done I grimace at. Like your 'bait' line above. I just can't help but read that as coming from a scum perspective trying to adopt a smarter-than-thou persona.

I am wary of tunneling, so I'll just keep mum until everyone else sees what I do, or until I change my mind. I've been known to tunnel hard D1 and then realise my mistake in D2.

Continue your spat with leetic, by all means.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:37 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:31 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:18 pm Funnygurl555 I know it's D1 and all, but when do you normally start, um, giving reads and such? I feel like your post count to actual content ratio is low...or high...or whatever the bad one is.
typically it never really gets better 'cause i'm a jokester, though once i get a wolf read i start pushing a bit (though my pushes are weak and i seldom explain my reads). even by ffr's standards i'm a pretty lazy player, and playing in this forum makes that more apparent. for what it's worth, this place looks like a great place to play mafia. y'all are pretty aggro and on your shit-- nice to see.

also for what it's worth my play is not representative of ffr's. we got a cool group like our man sunfan and manti who disappeared idk

i have a laudable wolf game 'cause i'm good at just existing

would y'all like me to temporarily CHANGE for the SAKE OF THE GAME i can i guess
Not asking you to change. You do you. My comment was only intended to be 50% snide - it was also 50% genuine. Different playstyles and all that.

If anything, it's the complete lack of capitalisation that gets me. I never was a fan of e.e. cummings anyway.
oh yeah no cap's been a thing i did for years haha

i am now a ROOT VEGETABLE

Well between me, Turnip Head, and the potatoes we have in this game, you're in good company.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:37 pm MR is your case on me the same as it was on page 2?

I don't remember.

^^I think you called this bait.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:31 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:18 pm Funnygurl555 I know it's D1 and all, but when do you normally start, um, giving reads and such? I feel like your post count to actual content ratio is low...or high...or whatever the bad one is.
typically it never really gets better 'cause i'm a jokester, though once i get a wolf read i start pushing a bit (though my pushes are weak and i seldom explain my reads). even by ffr's standards i'm a pretty lazy player, and playing in this forum makes that more apparent. for what it's worth, this place looks like a great place to play mafia. y'all are pretty aggro and on your shit-- nice to see.

also for what it's worth my play is not representative of ffr's. we got a cool group like our man sunfan and manti who disappeared idk

i have a laudable wolf game 'cause i'm good at just existing

would y'all like me to temporarily CHANGE for the SAKE OF THE GAME i can i guess

Not asking you to change. You do you. My comment was only intended to be 50% snide - it was also 50% genuine. Different playstyles and all that.

If anything, it's the complete lack of capitalisation that gets me. I never was a fan of e.e. cummings anyway.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:22 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:21 am I'm in mild agreement with suspicions about leetic, but his list of voters is uninspiring.
Can you elaborate? This feels like the most wishywashy read you've posted all game

I can make far wishierwashier posts, don't you worry.

To elaborate: I was trying to say that, sure, I don't particularly townread you myself, but the people currently voting for you are players I'm equally iffy on (TSP has done nothing, Ted I've made my thoughts clear on, Funnygurl has posted a lot but hasn't said very much). Do I really want to follow the lead of three players I'm null, at best, about?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:54 am So, leetic... I'll do this like counting cards in Blackjack. Start at 0, +value for towny, -value for wolfy.

First post (beyond guitar vid) is criticising the level of Day 1 activity in the thread. A valid criticism, we were 7 hours into Day 1, and not one player had tried to get serious. I liked this opener. +2 (2)

Second post votes Sloonei for having three posts, 100% dedicated to setup speculation. 4 hours AFTER telling the thread to get going, with still no serious responses. I liked this as well, which is why I decided to double down the vote. +2 (4)

Third post is a little sketchy. It's nice to see the genesis of the Mikey-Sloonei thing, but leetic's calling Mikey's post "weird" doesn't check out, because Mikey isn't "calling out Sloonei for setup speculation", he's criticising Sloonei's speculation with a hypothetcal designed to reveal the pointlessness of Sloonei's discussion. -1 (3)

Post 4:
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?
I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
I quoted this one because Mikey's post is something I don't really understand. I don't see how that is, in any way, a response to leetic's question. It's a really weird response.

THEN leetic responds to Mikey... but in third person, like he's presenting Mikey's post to everyone else rather than responding to it. Also just weird, I don't really like that he specifically disengaged from the conversation, but it makes them look less than teammate-compatible, so there's that. Vote switch does please me, and makes sense, if Mikey's departure from previous town behaviour is accurate, it's a better reason to vote than Sloonei's speculation. +0 (3)... -1 for ts account.

Post 5 continues the meatiness that I am so far liking in leetic's posts. The "pocketing" discussion so far is just randomly generated by Mikey, and leetic's response to his pressing on the subject is the right response to the odd curveball.

Suspicion of tedxtr's early towncore feels good.

Radishes calls leetic out on the casual (too casual?) talk, leetic gives a reasonable response. Maybe Radishes is right, I wouldn't have noticed such a thing if he hadn't pointed it out. Slight minus on this post's score, a la Radish.

The tedxtr interactions, I don't agree with tedxtr's criticism of leetic's... whole game so far, I guess. +1 (4)

Post 6 leetic gives a list of reads with some explanation. Looks like genuine solving. +1 (5)

Post 7 Dragomir responded negatively to leetic's assessment that he was just sheeping Sloonei with no original thoughts. Dragomir's reaction to the accusation was mild defensive hostility, which is a -1 for him, and leetic's reply was a reasonable explanation and a prod toward fixing the apparent problem. Dragomir would have looked better if he had given original thoughts instead of just bristling at leetic's observation. +1 again for leetic (6)

Post 8 Dragomir doubles down on the idea that leetic is prodding him to "create random thoughts out of thin air so [he] could be original". Like, where do thoughts come from usually? Amazon? You have to, like, think about things to get thoughts. leetic shames Dragomir and casts a vote that I judge to be valid. +1 (7) Is leetic still in the lead for votes? He looks really town so far, where are the suspicions coming from?

I think you're being a bit generous in giving out your +s. E.g. his opener was okay, but +2? That's an opening post a wolf could definitely make. And with the last couple posts, I actually felt leetic's insistence that Drago come up with reads on me/Ted was a bit contrived - Drago had explained he wasn't going to and didn't need to, and leetic tried to make it sound like that was unthinkable, which I don't think it is.

But overall, I agree that leetic's play has been fine on reflection. I wouldn't place him out of the PoE by any means, but other than a couple of circumstantial details (casual tone, pressing of Drago over something inconsequential) I don't see any red flags.

[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] I know it's D1 and all, but when do you normally start, um, giving reads and such? I feel like your post count to actual content ratio is low...or high...or whatever the bad one is.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:38 am Well he kind of is, but usually he's a lovable jerk. I'm not feelin it so far. He's trying so hard to be a jerk lol

I want to say I like this take, but I don't want Epi to be a jerk to me.

I'm in mild agreement with suspicions about leetic, but his list of voters is uninspiring.

Also @Mac, since I saw you ask about Long Con earlier, my thoughts were recorded here. It was really just about one early post of his, and it wasn't a strong enough read to place a vote.

I have no feelings on Drago, who you had also asked about. (But he has no feelings about me, he says, which is totally not hurtful Drago, I get it, really, it's fine.)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:49 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:40 am Good morning.

Why is Mac SRing me?
I'm not sure that I am. I just don't have any reason to town read you.

Okay. I feel the same about you at the moment, so that's fair.

Why do you think Ted is town? I saw you made a 'snap read' on him but I don't understand why. I feel the opposite. I do think he's playing a bit differently from GoC but I found scum!Ted there (although I was busy getting lynched myself so couldn't do much about it) and feel I may have found him again.

Good morning.

Why is Mac SRing me?

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:52 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:12 pm I'll need to re-read TS' post again, but it seemed to me to flip flop quite a lot and I disagree with a lot of his conclusions/counterpoints, at least those in regard to me/Ted, which my eyes focused on.
I think this is a good look for you, at least. I wonder if you could do a better job of explaining why your mind was on backtracking wrt me on sloonei.

I have explained it. It was a hypothetical if-TS-is-scum-then... situation. I was commenting that, if you are scum, then your progression is one where you refused to back down from your argument out of fear of being called out on backing down. If you are town then you are just locked on to a target. But I was looking at a scum!TS world because that's what the discussion at the time was about.

I just...completely disagree with everything TS says. I don't know what to do about that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:19 pm ... or possibly a distancing act?

Bad take.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:32 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:29 pm [VOTE: funnygurl555] aubergine
Why? Why not LC?
I want us to talk about something different. What has Funnygurl done that makes her town?
Her play style reflects that of a town than a scum.

Her play style is completely null.

I accept meta info from leetic, but that doesn't mean it's a bad vote right now.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:16 pm Radishes sounds towny in a vacuum but this weird concept of me backtracking must have come from somewhere and I am leery of that.

It came from the hypothetical concept of scum!TS getting too deep into his argument with Sloon and wanting to disengage but without coming across as backtracking.

In other words, I was imagining you're a wolf and I could see that world existing. I'm not claiming this definitely is the case.

I'll need to re-read TS' post again, but it seemed to me to flip flop quite a lot and I disagree with a lot of his conclusions/counterpoints, at least those in regard to me/Ted, which my eyes focused on.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:32 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:29 pm [VOTE: funnygurl555] aubergine
Why? Why not LC?
I want us to talk about something different. What has Funnygurl done that makes her town?

I was going to go here a few minutes ago, ISOed her, and found nothing much to comment on. She threw a few reads out, but nothing that struck me one way or another.

Maybe that, itself, is something to comment on. Let me join you. [VOTE: Funnygurl555] aubergine

^^^in case I needed to spell it out, fluffy and unecessary ramblings within vote posts strikes me as potential scum trying to appear comfortable when they're actually not.

No one giving thoughts on my Ted suspicions, so I'll just pout and look at what others are looking at. .

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.

Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.
I would also say the same about JaggedJimmyJay, but he's Schrödinger's player right now. I'll join you on the Sloonei vote, he has three posts and they're all about an issue that's above his pay grade as a player. In A World Asunder, town Sloonei opened Day 1 with two town reads and a vote on a suspect. [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

I have to say, this vote by LC early on isn't a great look on him. I think what bothers me is it's mostly fluff, e.g. the jokey 'Schrodinger's player' and 'pay grade' bits, and the passive 'I'll join you'. He looks like he's trying to be casual. He didn't need to reference JJJ at all there anyway, so why bother? It's just filling out his post unecessarily.

The rest of his ISO looks fairly null to me, but yeah, I get the suspicion.

I guess there's not much more I can properly question you on, actually. The rest of my case is mainly based around tone/phrasing/opportunism, which is more subjective and difficult to have a proper debate about.

I should go back to preparing home learning for students who are never actually going to do it.

@ted I'm not done with you. Next question.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:00 am Sounds like scum mac so far. When is drunk mac gonna post? :P

Was this a serious read on Mac? If so, what amongst his first two short posts made you think scum?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:35 am Horrendous Sloonei vote.

>votes Sloonei for setup speculation
> votes Mikey for pushing Sloonei for setup speculation when Mikey was speculating himself
> ends up on Mikey

Mikey = ts account

Also, it all feels contrived and fake and very surface level. Like he had no real suspicion in the first place. He just bounced out between reads even though it made no sense from a logical standpoint.

I have no issue with leetic's vote on Sloonei. It was a random vote to kick things off, and that's fine. In a vacuum it doesn't stand out to me.

But I agree that his transition to Mikey felt a bit...opportunistic?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:55 pm
The intention of the posts themselves was not to speculate about mechanics. That particular post was me realizing that it was probably not a host error, and a search for answers among the folks who knew the theme better than I do. I don’t actually give a shit what the speculative mechanics might be. I just care that the possibility for mechanics exists.

Now explain why my mindset is not indicative of an honest civilian.
Suppose you were given the information that a mechanic exists that removes the two players from the player list, they cannot be voted on or targeted with actions, and they cannot post.
Where do you go from there?

Funnygurl, please tell me you are not a wolf.
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?

Leetic's post here caught my eye when I read through it first time around. He is essentially, at this point, edging into an ongoing debate to fan the flames a bit, but trying to appear very casual about it, e.g. phrases like 'y'know' and 'care to explain?' and even the word 'weird' which is very vague.

I know Sloonei liked Leetic's progression, and I see what Sloon is saying about it, but this post from Leetic is still a bit...weird, IMO.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?
You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here

This is my concern with TS too. I don't scum-read him for his overall reasoning/argument, as poor as I found it, but equally I don't get why I've seen one or two people say he and Sloonei must be civ/civ, as his general stubbornness does feel a bit like a scum who doesn't want to be seen backtracking.

This is not a strong enough feeling for me to commit to an SR, as basing a read off a single prolonged discussion is not, in my experience, always the best tell. I'd rather see him get engaged in different discussions first.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:48 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:59 am ok i gotta ask what's up with radish and turnip accs viewing the thread

at first i saw a turnip and was like "cool" but now there's also a radish and does the syndicate have a root vegetable fetish?
I'm named after a quote from the television show LOST. I actually have no idea where Master Radishes came from, though I did catch him as scum from like his second post in the last game

Yeah, well, I once caught a scum before they even posted, so nyah.

JJJ and I played Champs together years ago. We caught up whilst spectating last year's Champs at MU, where both the Syndicate reps (Mac & Nutella) and mine (112) ended up playing together. He invited me for the Inception game and I promised to come play on Syndicate now and then.

Actually, don't worry about it. It'll just be 'I read it this way' 'but I meant it this way' sort of discussion, which I don't find particularly useful, myself.

Ted, why did you vote Leetic? I know it's a common enough tactic for civs to vote without reasoning, but 'this feels good for now' is a sort of pseudo-justification that sends sirens off for me. Why does/did it feel good?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:22 am I never thought "Digging into diamonds in order to find shit" was a saying but it probably describes this post.

A+ defence.

Which diamonds did I not see sparkle?

Okay, here are a couple posts from Ted that pinged me:

Disclaimer: it's early D1 etc etc.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:46 am @tedxtr what is your read on sloonei?
Yeah I was gonna get to that, I think you're town and I'm trying to wrap my head around the mess.

This is a cop out to talking about the (at the time) ongoing Sloonei-TS debate. 'Trying to wrap my head around the mess' comes across to me as a scum uncertain how to slip into the predominant conversation.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:59 am If ts account is [NSM] Mikey I don't remember him being this jumpy actually.

linki : I liked how you reacted to ts account's push on you, particularly one post somewhere. I guess you handled the callout pretty well, it's maybe something to do with how bad the votes on you were that deceives me into it, but idrc for now, you're sloonei.

(Quote chain that I cut)

A light shading on TS (who I assume is Mikey), followed by a rather qualified reason for TRing Sloonei. Again, just reads as someone who is hesitant to lay down solid reads.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:51 am I kind of want the Sloonei and ts shit to stop, there's already information to infer stuff from and quite frankly I think they're both town.

For one thing, it had definitely petered out by this point. But mainly, it has the tone of a scum who is trying to appear frustrated, e.g. 'quite frankly' and such phrasing.

The rest of his ISO is uninspiring. Mostly null posts that don't really indicate alignment either way, and nothing that looks townie enough to overrule my suspicions. Some of the other posts that don't sit well with me include a minor mechanics comments, a seemingly random and unexplained vote on Leetic ('this feels good for now', really?), and some weird commentary on a Mac who had barely entered the thread at that point. Even his entrance posts look a bit questionable under this light, but admittedly by this point I may be tunneling a bit.

Ted sits at the bottom of my list at the moment. I don't normally vote this early into the game, but hey, sometimes it's fun to switch things up. [VOTE: tedextr] aubergine

I am not someone made to work from home. I need to be trapped in another building with other working people around me.

It's early days still, but Ted is popping out to me as someone to ISO. Everytime I read his post I'm thinking along the lines of 'Can a scum make that? ...Sure'.

I'm supposed to be working right now (from home, so it's easy for me to get distracted), but next time I take a break I'll do a proper ISO.

Search found 157 matches