The Syndicate

ted has claimed optimistic from Kid A and herm has verified there are 0 scum in Kid A. we know poison is town because she exposed the mafia role cop very early on. If poison confirms that ted is telling the truth, then ted has to be town.

[mention]Poison Chan[/mention] please check if tedxtr is the song Optimistic from the album Kid A tonight, thanks.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:53 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:50 am I am so mad at tutuu right now i cannot even

i actually thought your OTT reaction to tutuu was an attempt to make logic believe tutuu is trying to bait them into thinking their claimed role is tracker when it's not and claim something else instead

Well if it was even that plan is now ruined

imagine losing to this circus of a towncore as scum

[mention]Oddmerta[/mention] details on how you were notified about herm's check, please.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:50 am I am so mad at tutuu right now i cannot even

i actually thought your OTT reaction to tutuu was an attempt to make logic believe tutuu is trying to bait them into thinking their claimed role is tracker when it's not and claim something else instead

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:50 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:42 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:41 am any mech reason to clear odd?

Oddmerta softed Herm's role to him and it made Herm townread him.

so from my understanding of events this is what happened.

1) herm says "all townies in my album will get notified"

2) herm claims to have checked a few albums

3) I say "hold on, you checked my album, I didn't get anything"

4) herm says "sorry I misread my role card, I meant a random townie"

5) odd says "herm is telling the truth. I got notified. herm is town."

so odd can be scum here whiteknighting a townie and pretending to have gotten notified, since by the time step 5) is around, odd already has all the info he needs to make that false claim. if he thinks herm is going to flip, he might say this for towncred.

Incorrect. Oddmerta specifically referenced Lotus Flower in a cryptic post. Herm thought he was town because of it. My assumption is that the message one got from Herm's notification was lyrics of the song or something and that's what Oddmerta posted?

oh hmm

I missed that

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:42 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:41 am any mech reason to clear odd?

Oddmerta softed Herm's role to him and it made Herm townread him.

If he got notified about the album check as described in Herm's role, should've he have fought like a hundred times harder against the Herm yeet?

no because herm could easily be a scum role that checks albums so they can soup kill them or whatever, and notifies them to balance it out. the notification itself doesn't prove herm is town but it does prove herm was not totally making shit up about notifications which would be why oddmerta read herm town if he himself is town.

but again, there's a world where scummerta did this to get cred so like, we can't clear odd off it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:42 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:41 am any mech reason to clear odd?

Oddmerta softed Herm's role to him and it made Herm townread him.

so from my understanding of events this is what happened.

1) herm says "all townies in my album will get notified"

2) herm claims to have checked a few albums

3) I say "hold on, you checked my album, I didn't get anything"

4) herm says "sorry I misread my role card, I meant a random townie"

5) odd says "herm is telling the truth. I got notified. herm is town."

so odd can be scum here whiteknighting a townie and pretending to have gotten notified, since by the time step 5) is around, odd already has all the info he needs to make that false claim. if he thinks herm is going to flip, he might say this for towncred.

i would turbo ted right now if there weren't a pending mech clear on him, given the way he tried to push us off the samu exe lol.

any mech reason to clear odd?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:50 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:36 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:33 pm i need an emotional anchor, who's town reading me?

me

If samu flips scum I shall carry his legacy

Specifically calling you nee-san for the rest of the game

Idk what that means I think it means sister, I hope it’s not some corny stuff

all I'll say about that phrase is that it's used extensively in japanese pornography

green check on wilgy

what's the lie check on ted?

im starting school today so I'll be busier and have less time to post. let me know if you need anything, I'll still keep up with the thread. don't worry I'm not gonna slank I'll be able to post more once I get my first day of school stuff in order

didn't the nutella claim happen really late and the counterwagon happen really rushed

like I slept through the whole thing and it's possibly mafia also did that and locked their vote on nutella because they see she can't be saved and woke up next morning to see that there was a counterwagon possibility they didn't follow

if that's the case then the counterwagon can be pure

when was the last time a tinfoil resulted in an exe and that exe resulted in a mafia flip actually

because I really can't remember

I guess there were several games where tinfoiling people would have caught scum but I haven't seen any actual tinfoils work

tinfoil bad

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:55 am are there any mechanical reasons to tr tutuu?

yes

juliets used her ability on me. juliets ability stops scum from using their abilities on the person she targets. tutuu also used her ability on me. it went through and I got notified that I was stuck in a lift. therefore tutuu is a civillian.

I feel like if I was in Champs I would not want people to hype me up. I'd actually want people to like talk about what a bad player I was and how I'm really obvious when I play wolf or whatever, so I can more easily get cleared of people saying "this is out of alison's scum range".

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:55 am @Alison i just dreamed about u. u were elected to be the syndicate's rep for champs, and everyone on discord was celebrating and hyping you up, and they made the discord server red (?) somehow graphicallly it was really really red and everyone was saying really sweet and wonderful things about u

i have to assume that wilgy is intentionally trolling at this point

to be fair that's not that bad, you just have to be ultra literal in all your posts on that site from now on

(fwiw, I played on MS for a couple of years and I think it's a fine site. lots of people joked about stuff and weren't exed for it, I think tutuu probably just joined a newbie game and got exed by clueless people)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:07 pm So...

Question line:

If we were to ignore mechanics... Who is scum? We are now 2 4 2 of mechanic based misyeets. Is scum pushing these misyeet mechanics for their benefit and just keep going?

ignoring the fact that mechanics point to you being scummy so you have a reason to argue against it:

the fact is that we're now in a position where we cannot not do mechanics. like what are we going to do, exe some vanity wagon or pet tinfoiil when people like herm or tim are running around with major unresolved questions swirling around them? there's too many mysteries and we have to clear 'em up

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:04 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:47 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:25 am juliets - dimir
tutuu - rakdos
alison - orzhov
hally - selesnya
amy - izzet
macdougall - boros

orzhov???? are you joking??? I'm ez azorious

Is Jules dimir?

It is very unfortunate that I don't know what this means!

dimir are an MTG faction that operate in secrecy and manipulation, focusing on using mind control magic and necromancy as well as assassinating others to keep their secrets

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:25 am juliets - dimir
tutuu - rakdos
alison - orzhov
hally - selesnya
amy - izzet
macdougall - boros

orzhov???? are you joking??? I'm ez azorious

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:36 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:35 am I think Rolecop would still be prevented, not sure tho

I don’t think it would? Idk this game is weird so

juliets block any action that is:

- non civillian
- non lethal

a mafia rolecop is not a civillian, and rolecopping someone isn't lethal to them

if we can prove that samu resolved an action on me last night, then we can clear samu. but we haven't proven that yet

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:35 am Samu should probably claim the songs he saw yeah

isn't it risky to out the names of juliets' and tutuu's songs?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:35 am I think Rolecop would still be prevented, not sure tho

rolecop would be prevented from my understanding of juliets' action

also we should probably wait for the trackers to check in since everyone else has claimed?

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:32 am Hey dudes i was thinking.

If i used my role yesterday with juliet and tuutuu on alison.

But I was not prevented from doing so.

Wouldn't that make me mechanically village because of Juliet's claim?

it would, but we have no way of knowing whether or not you actually used your role on me, is the problem

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:29 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:27 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:25 am His progressions on his scum partners are very non-partnery

youre gonna have to give a better reason than that if you want to convince me/anyone else to not vote samu today, considering that the interactions with the flipped scum from me/juliets borderline clear us

I don’t actually care whether Samu is flipped or not ; we’re throwing darts right now.

You don’t really bag wolves when your method of hunting is “who is less clear than ...”

But I guess you could be right 25% of the time

i have no idea what you are talking about

what I did was I took the list of players in the game and took out the players I strongly believe are town, then from the list of players that remain I cancelled out the players who I have good reason to not check (eg. people I've already checked, people who've claimed they can hard clear themselves, people who are already being watched by a tracker), and chose from those that remains.

at most you can argue i should have checked dyachei over wilgy since wilgy has 3P equity so we have to exe him eventually anyway thus a green check is worth less, while dyachei has much less 3P equity but some mafia equity so a check on them is worthwhile. in which case, ok, I guess? don't think it's a big deal still though

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:28 am We had reasons to yeet Wilgy over anyone else

We don’t have reasons to yeet Samu or anyone that I put on that list

Today has been transformed into throwing darts

you are way too hung up on this tbh, I think samu is a fine exe and I think a check on towncore is even more of a waste. maybe dyachei is worth a check but checking juliets or spf is like not sending in an action since I know what they will filp

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:25 am His progressions on his scum partners are very non-partnery

yeah but 3P exists (in fact I first theorized samu was a 3p when I saw his entrance), samu's role claim is compatible with scum since we suspect there's a baddie in the song cop variants, and juliets and spf have both had better interactions with flipped scum. the only person I might be willing to bend on is dyachei but it's hard to see how exeing a claimed investigative can be more correct than exeing someone with a niche at best role that we have no info on.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:23 am Also we can’t yeet Wilgy because it’s mechanically optimal to wait for the result.

So who are you gonna yeet?

samu unless you give me a good reason

actually I'm going to stop this overly incredulous act because I suspect it's brought on by irritability stemming from a ear infection and some unfortunate losses in other games and just talk to you like a normal player

what makes you believe that samusamu has less scum equity than the vote choices you mentioned?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:22 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:22 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:20 am Your check choice have lead to exactly these types of yeets today

[VOTE: SPF ] aubergine

[VOTE: juliets ] aubergine

[VOTE: Dyachei ] aubergine

I’m not voting samu.

i'm not following your thought process so unless you have a legitimate reason to suspect these individuals I'm not going to follow your plan

We can’t yeet your green checks

Odd is more or less a green peek due to stuff for me.

Samu is extremely townie.

Who does that leave in the yeet pool?

"samu is extremely townie"

and juliets/spf/dyachei aren't???

we have literal no reason to suspect spf or juliets and dyachei is at worst somewhat townie

are you high or what

we clear the poe before we clear the towncore

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:20 am Your check choice have lead to exactly these types of yeets today

[VOTE: SPF ] aubergine

[VOTE: juliets ] aubergine

[VOTE: Dyachei ] aubergine

I’m not voting samu.

i'm not following your thought process so unless you have a legitimate reason to suspect these individuals I'm not going to follow your plan

i guess we vote samu, I get my wilgy result tonight, and then poison checks ted

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:12 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:46 am Is SPF just town on tone and volume or is there a mech reason to clear her I’m forgetting?

No mech reason to townread her everyone just simping for her

there was some reason to mech clear her but I forget what it was

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:12 am Waste hours upon hours just to have your words ignored and I’m probably dying today when Wilgy’s probably scum and it would’ve cleared me regardless.

What a horrible check

wilgy's red flip wouldn't clear you either way so idc

is our song claim lie detector still alive

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:01 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:00 am Idgi - why are you putting green checks in PoE? You think there’s a GF?

Her green is on LC

That said I’m not sure why I go in upper POE and LC remains clear tbh

because you have 3P equity from your actions and LC has much less

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:56 am Oh right I was N2

What was your N1 check then

tsp green

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:51 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:43 am Also he could’ve just killed you N3 or N4 to avoid a red check

Yeah, There you have a point, but that could be said of any other player.

Godfather also explains why alison's green checks don't matter.

But it's still something that can be said of any player.

Does anyone have any idea what kind of camouflage puts slooney on goodfathers?

we're presuming no godfather right now because sprityo has an ability that impedes investigative roles, and we suspect that it would be overkill to give the mafia two abilities that block investigatives.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:53 am Remind me what your N2 and n3 checks were again?

n2 nanook green

n3 lc green

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:42 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:20 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:08 am Look idk what ted is but I also don’t know how he’s a better kill than wilgy so

“Kill all liars” is the stupidest shit ever too tbh

give me 1 good reason for ted to lie here as town

also to be clear about this: I intended to check ted last night. he persuaded me not to by saying that he has a way of hard confirming himself as town. therefore by not doing so I have no choice but to presume that he is intentionally trying to dodge a red check.

I mean he says it’s cause there’s downside to it, I don’t see why that’s impossible

Obviously he shouldn’t endgame like this but he doesn’t need to die today for some kind of dumb policy thing imo

he said "don't cop check me, I can hard clear myself tomorrow". that implies that he is specifically intending to hard clear himself tomorrow and doesn't want to waste a cop check because of it, so the "but maybe the hard clear has a big downside" argument is implausible to me - if it was so risky he wouldn't be recklessly promising to do it.

really I think if ted was town with access to a hard clear with a downside there's no reason why he outs it last night. if he doesn't intend to use the hard clear right now because it has a downside then he doesn't mind if the cop checks him. and if I'm scum and red check him then he can immediately hard clear and conflict me. if I check wilgy or whatever instead, then he can decide whether or not to hard clear based on the circumstances. to me it makes a lot more sense to hold onto that claim if you weren't sure whether or not you were going to use it. the only reason you would out it early is because 1) you intend to use it immediately and don't want the cop's check wasted (and this is what he implied he would do by promising he would hard clear himself tomorrow, and acknowledging that I have a right to turboexe him if he doesn't comply), or 2) because you don't want to be red checked

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:43 am Also he could’ve just killed you N3 or N4 to avoid a red check

no he cannot. tutuu was on me.

if you commit the roleblocker to tutuu, and then kill me, all you do is clear all my green checks while letting the rest of the town PRs run wild. you'd be boxing yourself in too small a POE.

(also, we haven't seen any roleblock claims, so there's some chance the roleblocker was offline last night for some reason. maybe it's an odd night roleblocker, since it was missing n2 as well?)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:23 am I am not lying and you have yet to address my wall and give scum reads.

look, let me make it plain to you. I am town. I am going to hard tunnel you without a single shred of re-evaluation until you show me that confirm. nothing you say or do can stop me from doing this. it's up to you to weigh whether the "risks" of hard confirming yourself outweigh the negative consequences of me doing this.

my poe is you, wilgy, samu in the lower, odd and nanook maybe in the upper. odd looks good for defending samu and nanook can only be 3P so they get a bigger pass. everyone else is someone I have reason to think is neither mafia nor 3P.

i am 100% serious about this - I have no tolerance for lying to avoid getting checked in this sort of situation. I won't say I exe all liars but in this situation lying is too obviously scummy to ignore

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:08 am Look idk what ted is but I also don’t know how he’s a better kill than wilgy so

“Kill all liars” is the stupidest shit ever too tbh

give me 1 good reason for ted to lie here as town

also to be clear about this: I intended to check ted last night. he persuaded me not to by saying that he has a way of hard confirming himself as town. therefore by not doing so I have no choice but to presume that he is intentionally trying to dodge a red check.