The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:33 pm Thanks to @Alison for subbing into a difficult spot and putting forth a strong effort. There's only so much one can do there, and she at least had us guided toward one mischop with the easy potential for a second.

i could of done better but eh

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I don't think I'll be around for EOD as per usual, but I'll make an effort to show up if I can spare the time.

Reiterating TSP/Nook/Axe/Falcon POE if you people CFD me again. Set motel room to one side under Mac's argument that they would have voted me if they were a wolf; bring them back into the POE after a couple of days if the easy answers don't hit and it no longer becomes appropriate to clear them for a simple refusal to vote.

I'm okay with a Falcon exe. He's not at the bottom of my POE, but he's in it. Setting aside motel for now because of Mac's point, next on my list is TSP who is getting the tracker tonight and should self resolve. A falcon red flip would look good for nook as well (and in that world we probably just turbo Axe for trying to push me over falcon) which is incredibly helpful since he's after TSP in my POE.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:02 am falcon45ca
3
Voters: Mizery, tutuu, motel room

Scotty
4
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Master Radishes, JaggedJimmyJay, dunya

You can honestly probably clear every single player that's voting here plus me. Is that not auto?
Yeh this is why I wanted to flip falcon, he's likely mafia and if he does flip red he clears a hard to read in a vacuum slot in tutu and two otherwise likely poe slots in miz and motel

Why does a mafia falcon clear these slots?

Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:27 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:26 pm My costar just told me that one of my don'ts was "fake expertise" and now I'm feeling self conscious about my mafia skills
your costar?
fun astrology app. Aparently I should "do" grecian urns. if anyone knows what that means in any context please let me know.

In popular slang, to "do" something means to have sex with it. So I guess you have your work cut out for you.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:26 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:23 pm The current wagon state is very interesting though.

Motel/Nanook not voting Alison here even though Alison is pushing Motel Room. This is a pretty decent look for Motel Room imo, and if Alison is town, also Nanook.

Tutuu voting Motel over TSP interests me slightly. @tutuu got words for this for me? Sorry if I am making you repeat yourself.
Why's that make them townie? Both of them can believably switch to me EOD if they need to, and they can also stay off my wagon to avoid getting their hands dirty if they wish. (Applying more to Nanook than motel for the latter.)
I think Motel Room if mafia is more likely to already have his vote on you unless the team is exactly you two. Motel Room isn't an obsessed thread camper that plans out things well ahead of time.

Eh. I guess.

Nanook gets no cred though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:27 pm @Alison are you voting Motel Room simply because you think he is wolifer than TSP or is there something else to it that I missed?

I think he is wolfier than TSP. I would be happy to vote TSP today as well.

Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:26 pm My costar just told me that one of my don'ts was "fake expertise" and now I'm feeling self conscious about my mafia skills

I advise you not to let obviously false beliefs like astrology make you feel bad about yourself.

Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:51 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:50 pm hot take

team is rando/nanook
Why?
townie mind meld
nothing towny about that question so unless this is ironic this is you reaching to make connections imo

It's ironic. I was intentionally using a cliche'd turn of phrase.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:23 pm The current wagon state is very interesting though.

Motel/Nanook not voting Alison here even though Alison is pushing Motel Room. This is a pretty decent look for Motel Room imo, and if Alison is town, also Nanook.

Tutuu voting Motel over TSP interests me slightly. @tutuu got words for this for me? Sorry if I am making you repeat yourself.

Why's that make them townie? Both of them can believably switch to me EOD if they need to, and they can also stay off my wagon to avoid getting their hands dirty if they wish. (Applying more to Nanook than motel for the latter.)

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:18 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:13 pm Nobody is clearing Axe. There are people who feel better about him and people who feel worse about him, but nobody seems eager to place him in the towncore, sugesting that he is POE. This is what I meant - the debate about how townie he's been has largely centered around whether he should be upper or lower POE, but nobody has seriously suggested that he should be cleared to the best of my knowledge.
Day 1

Dunya, JJJ, Nanook

all had Axe not in their POE

To say otherwise is a lie.

I don't know or care about what's going on Day 1. I'm talking about D2 and the POE being collectively hammered out here. Who here thinks Axe should be totally towncleared and taken out of the POE?

My reads haven't really changed. I continue to feel comfortable with my POE ordering and nothing has made me question my townclears. My legacy is clear, and I think it's also fairly uncontroversial: go motel first, then TSP, then nanook, then Axe/Falcon and you should win. Kill me to assuage your doubts if you must; we have space for an extra misexe if both scum are contained in those five names. Reasses at LyLo in case it's MR slipping past the cracks or something, but until then I feel that this game is going in the right direction and should be kept on rails. A mafia died D1 and left behind clear spew and clear wagonomics; we should play properly based on that. Don't let people in the POE cause chaos or try to open it up with tinfoil and shade-throwing on townie but framable slots like Mizery or MR before LyLo. Don't ever leave motel alive past D3 if you kill me.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:01 pm A lower post count than Axe with 55 if you include LM's poosts not a good sign.

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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:12 pm Good afternoon. I will not backread anything except Scotty's ISO.

[VOTE: motel room] aubergine
Refuses to take in the whole game, NAI?
Random vote not explained

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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:19 pm I am sorry but you will not get top form Alison this game. I was on a month break from mafia for personal reasons and I only subbed into this game to help Syn out. JJJ killed a scum D1 so I will sheep him. Mac is probably scum for voting town JJJ. Nanook is probably scum for sheeping Mac onto a bad vote. motel room is probably scum because Scotty treated him really awkwardly. tutuu says there's some interactions with falcon and I think she's town so I'll trust her.

That's all I have for now.

Says we wont get top game as an excuse for not catching up on a sub in game?
Proceeds to actually try and impact the game, actions do not match up with words here.
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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:22 pm NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole
MacDougall

I took out the names I cleared. This is the POE that remains. If anyone has a reason to clear one of these names or to un-clear someone I cleared, speak up.

If Alison flips scum it is likely the POE here does not contain the final wolf. hiding the wolf in not saying their name?

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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:23 pm I also easily could've saved OR bussed scotty at eod, so whichever you think my meta is i should be a relatively easy townread atp
Meh. W/T wagons means someone who's off both wagons is more suspicious. Lots of wolves don't want to make a hard choice between looking really bad by outing to save a teammate or sealing their fate by bussing so they sit on a vanity wagon and pray. Tell me why you wouldn't be one of those wolves.
Following this logic. LM chose to not vote because at that point there was no choice, make yourself look terrible and vote for anyone but scotty or jump on at the last second and look like a bus?

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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:28 pm Prediction: Scotty doesn't die if Dyson is town.

I also have a narrow Poe I'm ok voting in. Lomo/Alison makes a lot of sense for a mafia slot if Dyson is town due to the lack of self preservation.
If you're referring to LoMo not showing up at EOD to self pres, he is a chronic slanker and will happily afk as both alignments without regard for his survival.

Not sure if actually true, could be a way of excusing behavior.
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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:40 pmI'm serious.
I don't think I've ever given a shit about looking bad in that way

Like

I either bus scotty for the cred or I save him, I dont leave it to rand, that's the worst of both worlds

I could've easily justified either choice
This is exactly what you did in Modern Family.

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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:39 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:37 pm Iirc my PoE after flip was

Alison
Dyson
Misery
Nanook (only if also with Dyson)

I might be forgetting someone, but I think all of the mafia are in the above list. Maybe Alison / misery are the optimal kills today then, not Dyson.
I think only one person on this list is likely to be mafia and it's the person with the caveat, so

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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:47 pm For those not familiar with the meta: in Modern Family, T&T (scum) was tied with BT (town) in 4-4. Nanook (scum) voted Mana, a smaller wagon also on town, pushing it to 3 votes instead of making a hard call whether to bus T&T or save them. It is quite literally an exact replica of the situation here.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:26 pm so basically if it's not NAA/Falcon or TSP/Falcon then it's probably ?
Then it's probably just motel and nook

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:26 pm so basically if it's not NAA/Falcon or TSP/Falcon then it's probably ?
Then it's probably just motel and nook

Alison and Nanook are not on the same team?

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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:37 pm Hi.

I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

I have read nothing from TSP. I don't think any of Falcon's posts today has moved me greatly one way or another, and I haven't read his D1. If there are particular D1 posts from him you found townie, TSP, please highlight them.

A push on Motel, TSP and Faclon all in one post.

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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:53 pm NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole

Here's where I stand as far as POE goes. Amongst these five players, there is a sentiment that Nanook is town expressed by Axe, tutuu, and Jay. I don't buy the argument that he definitively would have committed to a push on either Scotty or Dyson if he was mafia. Axe seems to believe this narrative. tutuu and Jay are townreading him for other, unknown reasons - presumably he posted some townie things D1 or something.

I don't have a strong reason to especially scumread Nanook other than the fact that he was parked on a bad wagon. I don't believe the story that he would never do that as scum; I think he is well capable of doing so. But most of the people in the POE were parked on bad wagons, and if other people say his posts are townie, or have a GTH villager read on him, I'm content to place him higher (ie. less of a priority) in the POE.

I've spoken about motel. TSP is a blank for me; I'm not great at reading him in general and he hasn't given me much to work with here either. Falcon's poor interactions with Scotty has been highlighted. I'm fairly good at getting there when Falcon is town, even if he's under suspicion; I don't see anything that would lead me to think he's being wrongly suspected here. He can go in the lower POE for that.

NAA is pushing bad reads, but this is NAI for him. He had a slight spark of townieness in the contrarian way he approached the POE, slotting Dyson and Mizery in and clearing Falcon. I think this is townie for him. I don't think he hardpushes me if motel room is his partner; motel gets auto'd off my legacy and then he is in trouble for taking that stance. If motel room is his partner I'd expect him to try to keep me alive a bit to keep the outcome of that suspicion uncertain (a la dizzy and alison in basic mafia). If he's partners with nook it would be strange of him to hardclear someone who is very easily exeable before nook is. That I can plausibly read him as being non-aligned with two other people in the POE (one of whom is my strongest scumread) is a plus point for him.

I'd order my POE as follows, towniest to scummiest:
NAA
Nanook
TSP
Falcon
motel

I continue to feel satisfied with my clears, and I think following this POE should win the game.

Mac has been removed from POE nothing stellar.
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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:22 pm Something of note: both TSP and Axe, who are in the POE, (both mine and the game's collective POE) seem eager to clear Falcon, who is currently a major suspect. I don't think they would do this if they were teamed with someone else in the POE that wasn't Falcon since in that world Falcon is town and they need his misexe. So if they are mafia they are most likely teamed with Falcon.

Placing Axe within the POE when no one day one that I rate personally had axe in the POE also could be seen as a lie?

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Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:34 am Six confident town reads, if correct, mean the game is locked and everything else is just time spent waiting for the inevitable. It'd be cool if folks could gimme six town reads or more if they've not already.
JJJ, Rondo, MR, tutuu, Dyson, Mac. I'm confident in all of 'em.
Final stance on town

Im not going to link them all but alison does a lot of secret and direct clearing of Dyson

if alison is wolf, Dyson is partner?

Have a read of ISO and let me know what you think

Addressing some of the concerns expressed here:

- I try my best to play to my win condition in almost every game I play (excepting extenuating circumstances). You won't get my top game but that doesn't mean I'm not going to try to impact the game.

- LoMo's meta is well known and can be corroborated by multiple people here. He slanks and afks every game; trying to read into it isn't wise.

- Nobody is clearing Axe. There are people who feel better about him and people who feel worse about him, but nobody seems eager to place him in the towncore, sugesting that he is POE. This is what I meant - the debate about how townie he's been has largely centered around whether he should be upper or lower POE, but nobody has seriously suggested that he should be cleared to the best of my knowledge.

@tutuu Look over my Mizery towncase (#1250) and tell me what you think please.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:56 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Her treatment of falcon is my current biggest doubt. She gives enough town credit to try to appease Tony's expectations for a proper meta read, and takes enough back to ensure he's still POE and choppable.

Why would I be trying to appease Tony if I was scum? He's in the POE - nobody's really listening to him or sheeping his solves. Falcon is widely suspected. If I was trying to ensure Falcon is choppable, all I have to do is push on him and kill him. Yes, Tony might accuse me of being wolf because I'm misreading Falcon, but scum!Alison wouldn't care about that; in this position I'd focus on pocketing town leaders that I know well, like you and Mac rather than trying to play ball with someone else in the POE.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:51 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:50 pm hot take

team is rando/nanook
Why?

townie mind meld

Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:50 pm hot take

team is rando/nanook

Why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:33 pm @Alison why do you have all those names town?

Which ones?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:50 am @Alison first guess regarding who would be motel room's teammate?

TSP

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:34 am Six confident town reads, if correct, mean the game is locked and everything else is just time spent waiting for the inevitable. It'd be cool if folks could gimme six town reads or more if they've not already.

JJJ, Rondo, MR, tutuu, Dyson, Mac. I'm confident in all of 'em.

Good for you. I direct my argument to anyone else who is concerned about an Alison/motel world, then.

Yeah so if it's Alison/motel room you win the game regardless of what you do and if I am indeed town you want to exe motel room first. You believe that motel room is likely wolf in all worlds (since you're planning to vote them out tomorrow regardless of my flip) anyway.

If you think I'm scum bussing motel room just vote them. The game is unwinnable for a solo mafia Alison in this position if I bus my partner today so you should have no worries in that regard.

motel room wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:59 am I can think of a few reasons - because he would have given away the roles even if he got killed? Because WIFOM? Because he's actually faking it or bad?

Do you have a reason in mind?

or because the mafia team did not believe the unprompted PR claim from the guy who makes wild and provocative statements all the time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:23 am I feel that motel room is town

I don't.

motel room -> TSP -> Nanook -> Axe/Falcon is my solve right now.

motel room wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:13 am Attacking? I just think your reason is weak and explained why, and yet your commitment against me is massive.

So massive that you are comparing other reads as to how they would work as my partner despite saying you havent really read the thread. You have absolutely come into this game with me as your target and seeing as I know thats wrong that's suspicious as fuck.

I have a lot of reasons to scumread you. Which ones do you find weak?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:07 pm I don't disagree with the conclusion I just think the "Dyson is town so their voters are poe; the poe being Dyson voters makes me feel good about Dyson being town" logic is silly

my point is that their voters are poe for reasons other than dyson being town!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:59 pm They're the poe in part because they're dysons wagon so that making you feel good is a bit of circular logic

That's true, but if I clear people for reasons unrelated to Dyson's wagon I still arrive at a similar POE. Like if I just do at who in the game has done clearing things (JJJ voted a scum, tutuu got pocketed by Scotty, etc.), nobody on Dyson's wagon has but people outside of Dyson's wagon largely have. Which suggests that the wagon is unclean which suggests that Dyson is town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:58 pm so why do you have 4 votes

Axe thinks I'm most likely mafia for reasons unknown. tutuu thinks LoMo is spewed mafia because he was afk and couldn't save scotty which explains why Scotty died. JJJ has a POE he is happy with and is satisfied voting anyone in that POE out. TSP voted me for suspecting falcon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:26 pm so basically if it's not NAA/Falcon or TSP/Falcon then it's probably ?

Then it's probably just motel and nook

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:22 pm Something of note: both TSP and Axe, who are in the POE, (both mine and the game's collective POE) seem eager to clear Falcon, who is currently a major suspect. I don't think they would do this if they were teamed with someone else in the POE that wasn't Falcon since in that world Falcon is town and they need his misexe. So if they are mafia they are most likely teamed with Falcon.
or the POE is inaccurate

Or the POE is inaccurate, yeah. It's why I went through my clears to make sure I'm not misclearing anyone. I'm satisfied with those clears.

Something of note: both TSP and Axe, who are in the POE, (both mine and the game's collective POE) seem eager to clear Falcon, who is currently a major suspect. I don't think they would do this if they were teamed with someone else in the POE that wasn't Falcon since in that world Falcon is town and they need his misexe. So if they are mafia they are most likely teamed with Falcon.

falcon's D1 is villagery in tone and approach - I agree with Tony on this. As town he shotguns out a lot of pokes and prods. Most will miss and be smoothed over. A few will hit the mark and he will leap on them. As scum he does the same thing, but instead of a shotgun it's an aimed rifle, and all of the bullets miraculously hit the mark so he has a reason to vote out townies. (See: Bee Mafia.)

The following two posts are to his credit:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:18 pm I just called Ms Cleo, and LC, Dyson, & motel are all Maf.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:05 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:08 am Are you implying that dyson and lomo are potential mischops?

Like, we’re not chopping like lomo today even if he doesn’t post any more, but I always prefer content over no content. Don’t you?
Are you implying they are not potential mischops?

The first one is just vintage town Falcon, tonally. He's capable of being aggressive as scum but I don't think it's aggressive to the extent that he comes out fearlessly swinging at three people.

The second one was Scotty trying to cast shade on MR (who I think is town) and falcon poking at Scotty/undermining it.

This post is not to his credit:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:06 pm I literally don’t know what to make of dyson. He is…actually a vaccuum.

My favorite is falcon needling him, then immediately voting for Mizery. Very easy to touch and back off for cred if dyson is bad

I stand by my falcon vote
This reads like a soft shade of Dyson & attempt to label a top tier town as teammate should Dyson get flipped.

I like the pun at the start, helps sell the whole thing

Because he seems to believe that Scotty is setting him up for a misexe, but votes Dyson three posts later over Scotty without anything in particular happening that should push him there. He does seem to believe that Dyson/Scotty are teamed in this post, but I'd expect town Falcon to more aggressively bury Scotty here - he's temperamental, and he hates being set up by mafia. Also, his own logic ("soft shade of Dyson") seems to suggest that scum Scotty/town Dyson is a possibility, so it's strange to me that he chooses to vote Dyson over Scotty.

My end verdict on Falcon is that I agree with TSP's read that he's been townie D1 on play alone. He has a good looking interaction with Scotty to his name. He also has a couple of bad interactions and his voting patterns haven't been the best. I would bump him to the upper POE for that, but I wouldn't take him out of the POE entirely.

Eh, I guess I could just ISO him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:04 pm ok I'm going to take that post as an indication that alison has read falcon's day 1 and therefore am going to [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I told you I'm not backreading 20+ pages. If you have a townie post from falcon, quote it.

Mizery dumbtelled D1 and then refused credit for it. I have seen mafia do this to strengthen townreads. (I myself did it in Buckets. I was town there, though.) Is Mizery the kind of person to do that? I don't get the sense he is. He doesn't seem like a tryhard wolf who spends all his days thinking of sneaky ways to humiliate the town. I believe the dumbtell is NAI - mafia can be clueless about the setup, too - but I am inclined to take "aw, shucks, you shouldn't be clearing me for something like that" reaction at face value.

This post also looks good for Mizery:

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:30 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:36 pm Does scotty's entrance look like it could be a pocket attempt on me or am I making that up
I entered before you, goober

Also you’re probs the closest townread I have, and I don’t give town reads early often because I suck at tone reads and D1s are the bane of my existence

So yea, sure, jump in my cargo shorts

This looks like a pocket, not a partner.

Between the dumbtell reaction and Scotty's spew, as well as my earlier point about their EOD, I am content with my Mizery clear.

That Dyson's entire wagon was on the POE makes me feel good about him.

I think tutuu is cleared off this post:

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:38 pm I could vote motel room I guess

Tutuu, I know you only have 9 posts left but you wanna wonder twins activate and vote in a bloc today?

I also like how someone (TSP?) said no more mech talk and it just did. Like, why are we not doing any more mech talk? I might be coming around to the whole mass claiming thing

This is something that a wolf under pressure says to someone they're trying to pocket and convince to work with them, not a partner.

Mac has the claim and is pushing largely the same POE as me now so he is town.

Scotty was exed by a slim enough margin that I am satisfied with my clear of everyone on his wagon.

My weakest clear is probably Mizery, who I liked because I don't think mafia has a reason to hop from one vanity wagon to another and it's a difficult thing to fake. I'll double check my read there.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole

Here's where I stand as far as POE goes. Amongst these five players, there is a sentiment that Nanook is town expressed by Axe, tutuu, and Jay. I don't buy the argument that he definitively would have committed to a push on either Scotty or Dyson if he was mafia. Axe seems to believe this narrative. tutuu and Jay are townreading him for other, unknown reasons - presumably he posted some townie things D1 or something.

I don't have a strong reason to especially scumread Nanook other than the fact that he was parked on a bad wagon. I don't believe the story that he would never do that as scum; I think he is well capable of doing so. But most of the people in the POE were parked on bad wagons, and if other people say his posts are townie, or have a GTH villager read on him, I'm content to place him higher (ie. less of a priority) in the POE.

I've spoken about motel. TSP is a blank for me; I'm not great at reading him in general and he hasn't given me much to work with here either. Falcon's poor interactions with Scotty has been highlighted. I'm fairly good at getting there when Falcon is town, even if he's under suspicion; I don't see anything that would lead me to think he's being wrongly suspected here. He can go in the lower POE for that.

NAA is pushing bad reads, but this is NAI for him. He had a slight spark of townieness in the contrarian way he approached the POE, slotting Dyson and Mizery in and clearing Falcon. I think this is townie for him. I don't think he hardpushes me if motel room is his partner; motel gets auto'd off my legacy and then he is in trouble for taking that stance. If motel room is his partner I'd expect him to try to keep me alive a bit to keep the outcome of that suspicion uncertain (a la dizzy and alison in basic mafia). If he's partners with nook it would be strange of him to hardclear someone who is very easily exeable before nook is. That I can plausibly read him as being non-aligned with two other people in the POE (one of whom is my strongest scumread) is a plus point for him.

I'd order my POE as follows, towniest to scummiest:
NAA
Nanook
TSP
Falcon
motel

I continue to feel satisfied with my clears, and I think following this POE should win the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:37 pm I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

Adding onto this: they're driven by self-preservation to a degree that seems uncharacteristic for town. Everyone else, even players in the POE, has been focusing more trying to figure out who they clear, who they trust, who they would POE, etc, and negotiating or collaborating with other town players to figure that out. There is a sense that as long as we can reach a good consensus about the POE we should be fine, even if the person in question is on it. I don't think motel is vibing with that sense at all, and they have focused one of their two posts today on attacking me for suspecting them (not on proffering reasons why my suspicions are invalid - just on suggesting that I have suspected them due to an agenda on my part) and the other on giving a static readslist and dipping. I'm not seeing much desire to engage with others, in an atmosphere where I think town would be very likely to want to do so.

Hi.

I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

I have read nothing from TSP. I don't think any of Falcon's posts today has moved me greatly one way or another, and I haven't read his D1. If there are particular D1 posts from him you found townie, TSP, please highlight them.

@JaggedJimmyJay You mention that you interpret Scotty as finding comfort in motel as a LHF push - but the fact that he didn't actually vote motel suggests that the push wasn't that comfortable for him after all. Why can't he be partners making a meaningless distancing lip service post that he never intends to follow through on?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:56 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:40 pmI'm serious.
I don't think I've ever given a shit about looking bad in that way

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I either bus scotty for the cred or I save him, I dont leave it to rand, that's the worst of both worlds

I could've easily justified either choice
This is exactly what you did in Modern Family.
I dont think I was even around for eods in modern family was I

Your last post was 6 minutes before EOD and I know it was you because of posting style + the other half of your hydra being afk.

If you see both partners tied at max votes, you don't sit on a vanity wagon. You hammer one to get bus cred, and then townread the other for being the counterwagon to flipped scum. Not concerned about Dyson + Mizery at all.

You should probably be rating motel lower than you currently are. Scotty awkwardly attacked Dyson for pointing out that motel's discord stuff is NAI. The slot that first accused motel of being scum with an angleshooty read got killed in the night. Scotty said "I could vote motel I guess" once and then never actually did it. motel is also a candidate for being one of the people too afk to save Scotty. They are my top scum read.

Rondo, ok. No worries then. I was slightly concerned that maybe Mizery was parked on a partner that they thought wouldn't go over as a vanity wagon that also offers some distancing cred, but then got worried they would become a real wagon so moved to Falcon to ensure it wouldn't happen.

I think Rondo is town though so this theory isn't a worry for me any more.

Who was Mizery voting before the switch?

I actually think Mizery's version of it is townie because of the unnecessary vote switch. Super weird thing to fake as a scum who just wants to hide on a vanity wagon. Don't think most wolves think to do it, they just park and watch the rand happen.

For those not familiar with the meta: in Modern Family, T&T (scum) was tied with BT (town) in 4-4. Nanook (scum) voted Mana, a smaller wagon also on town, pushing it to 3 votes instead of making a hard call whether to bus T&T or save them. It is quite literally an exact replica of the situation here.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:40 pmI'm serious.
I don't think I've ever given a shit about looking bad in that way

Like

I either bus scotty for the cred or I save him, I dont leave it to rand, that's the worst of both worlds

I could've easily justified either choice

This is exactly what you did in Modern Family.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:40 pm So, question to the crowd:

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Want to hear from dyson and lomo.
Dyson, what’s the best vaccuum to buy?
Lomo, are you going to slank til you get vigged or are we going to have to lynch you early?
Does Scotty throw a jokey Q at his partner like he does with Dyson here? Or is a wolf more likely to tag on a 'serious' question to a partner, ala the Q towards Lomo?

Oh hey, I know the answer to this.

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