Bonk Mafia (TOWN WINS)

[tutuu]

I guess ill vote here for now

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[tutuu]

@MacDougall can u publicly write a post with instructions jus so we know, like, for example

If we flip falcon mafia i give tracker to TSP

If we flip falcon town i give doctor/tracker to alison etc

(If mafia can holster their kills giving doctor might be pointless lemme check)

U can also give it to a upper poe hard to read slot like me if u want

But def not jay ;-;

[tutuu]

Oh night kills are mandatory

What if a wolf gets a doctor and protects the kill from the other wolf

Or the last wolf gets the doctor and protects and attacks the same person om the same night

That sounds funny but they can get deep like that

So yeah i would give tracker @MacDougall cuz

If a wolf gets a doctor they can stop their kill and claim to be a hero

If a wolf gets a tracker they can just claim a random peek

But since tracker is 2 shot if we chop mafia today or tomorrow, one or both of those tracks will become a cop peek (even if mafia they will have to claim that cop peek)

And the potential for town doing good stuff with tracker is better than doctors

[MacDougall]

ok

[MacDougall]

i will give the tracker to tsp fine

[tutuu]

i will give the tracker to tsp fine

iight bet

If we chop / cfd TSP today then who u givin to?

[MacDougall]

falcon

[Master Radishes]

Has MR done his ISO of me and I missed it?


I guess I deserve it, I missed his birthday this year. Again

Not even a card.


Nah not yet. Just woke up here. I'll get to it.

[motel room]

I can get off TSP and on to falcon if thats better

[Master Radishes]

Nah we should aim for tied wagons and let it rand.

[motel room]

Righty-o

[tutuu]

@falcon45ca @TonyStarkPrime iight so one of u receiving tracker tonight and u can use it starting next night

U shouldnt immediately use it if we chop town today and tomorrow, coz

We want u to die, thats why u get the tracker

If ur town, and u use ur tracks too fast, and u miss, mafia wont have to kill u, and ur back in the PoE and thats not good for town

So i think ideally you use ur second track on the night before f3, which hopefully gets u night killed

Lemme calculate....

Worst case scenario we chop 4 town in a row and enter f3 on day 6

So use ur tracks on n4 and n5

Unless we chop a mafia earlier, then immediately start using them

I think thats the optimal plan layout

[tutuu]

Its f5 on day 6 not f3 but yeah everything else the same

Basically dont use ur track on n3 coz more chance to use it later when only 1 maf alive

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t think falcon is “outed”, and I think that term needs to be retired. He’s POE, and a reasonable enough chop. I don’t think there’s any particularly compelling thing that says he must be the chop.

[MacDougall]

I don’t think falcon is “outed”, and I think that term needs to be retired. He’s POE, and a reasonable enough chop. I don’t think there’s any particularly compelling thing that says he must be the chop.

you don't find any of what I said compelling? for real?

the smoking guns are all there. what did you do with Jay?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t believe in wagon-based hunting, and I don’t think the Scotty interactions awful. It’s all very whatever to me. He’s on my list so I’m not going to throw a fit, but I don’t share your confidence.

I’d like to have Radish’s perspective. He knows falconbetter than I do.

[Master Radishes]

The problem with meta is that it evolves. Once upon a time it was easy to read Falcon; then once upon a different time it became harder (for me) as he improved his scum game and could match his tone/style more closely. Recently I felt comfortable reading him again, but less on meta and more so on how he treated me when we were in the same game.

So I hesitate to speak up because I don't want people taking me at my word as if I'm a meta expert. I find when you play *too* many games with someone you begin to see aspects of both their town and scum games in everything they do. I see that here with Falc. On top of that, nearly all our experience has been in the more insular CDC community, and only a handful of games in the last half a year off our home site (here on the Syndicate). Different environments mean changing meta as well, which also makes me hesitant to commit to a meta read.

My main concern here and now with him is that, in my most recent experience, I figured out wolf Falc based on him trying to pocket me, whereas town Falc is usually wary of me at first. In this game, he's...not been blatantly pocketing me, perhaps, but certainly I've seen no attempt to solve me. I feel like town Falcon should've been more reluctant to let me slank my way through the game like I sort of have. I've tried to avoid engaging him beyond non-game stuff to see how that develops and it...hasn't. He's done other little things I associate with town Falc, but big-picture-wise I'm not convinced.

So right now, GTH, I want to call Falcon scum. But if he flips town I'm just going to shrug and re-calibrate my expectations of him for future games together.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay so MR says falcon is confirmed mafia, therefore we can book it.

Spoiler: show

peepee poopoo

[Master Radishes]

Exactly.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

The current wagon state is very interesting though.

Motel/Nanook not voting Alison here even though Alison is pushing Motel Room. This is a pretty decent look for Motel Room imo, and if Alison is town, also Nanook.

Tutuu voting Motel over TSP interests me slightly. @tutuu got words for this for me? Sorry if I am making you repeat yourself.

I scumread alison and im convinced shes ww with motel room, somehow i townread TSP for his chillax attitude

Really? You went from Pepe Silvia crazy theory to convinced pretty quick. But fair enough, I'm not doubting you too hard today.

Pepe Silvia was pretty convinced

what is pepe silver?

also Tutuu talking about alison and on falcon two votes later?

@MacDougall can u publicly write a post with instructions jus so we know, like, for example

If we flip falcon mafia i give tracker to TSP

If we flip falcon town i give doctor/tracker to alison etc

(If mafia can holster their kills giving doctor might be pointless lemme check)

U can also give it to a upper poe hard to read slot like me if u want

But def not jay ;-;

does this read like "Tell me who the wolves need to kill in the night?"

Or is this giving the power to a wolf to see if they die again?

I don’t think falcon is “outed”, and I think that term needs to be retired. He’s POE, and a reasonable enough chop. I don’t think there’s any particularly compelling thing that says he must be the chop.

Could this hedging be TMI knowing falcon is town?

The problem with meta is that it evolves. Once upon a time it was easy to read Falcon; then once upon a different time it became harder (for me) as he improved his scum game and could match his tone/style more closely. Recently I felt comfortable reading him again, but less on meta and more so on how he treated me when we were in the same game.

So I hesitate to speak up because I don't want people taking me at my word as if I'm a meta expert. I find when you play *too* many games with someone you begin to see aspects of both their town and scum games in everything they do. I see that here with Falc. On top of that, nearly all our experience has been in the more insular CDC community, and only a handful of games in the last half a year off our home site (here on the Syndicate). Different environments mean changing meta as well, which also makes me hesitant to commit to a meta read.

My main concern here and now with him is that, in my most recent experience, I figured out wolf Falc based on him trying to pocket me, whereas town Falc is usually wary of me at first. In this game, he's...not been blatantly pocketing me, perhaps, but certainly I've seen no attempt to solve me. I feel like town Falcon should've been more reluctant to let me slank my way through the game like I sort of have. I've tried to avoid engaging him beyond non-game stuff to see how that develops and it...hasn't. He's done other little things I associate with town Falc, but big-picture-wise I'm not convinced.

So right now, GTH, I want to call Falcon scum. But if he flips town I'm just going to shrug and re-calibrate my expectations of him for future games together.

can be condensed to "I dunno could be scum could be town I dunno?????" wolfy post?

[VOTE: motel room ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

Votes as of just now number 2? maybe 3?

Spoiler: show

Dyson sphere
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
5
25%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Master Radishes, Mizery, MacDougall, tutuu
Lime Coke / JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes
Voters: None
lost monkey / Alison
3
15%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, JaggedJimmyJay, NotAnAxehole
MacDougall
1
5%
Voters: Dyson sphere
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Mizery
0
No votes
Voters: None
motel room
2
10%
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
NotAnAxehole
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
2
10%
Voters: Alison, motel room
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
[SLEEP]
0
No votes
Voters: None
[NO VOTE]
0
No votes
Voters: None

Also sometime of note: The only people that are voting together as of last EOD atm is TuTuu and Mizery and Axehole and TSP

+ Equity between those two? Or wolves would know people are looking for that and - Equity between the two?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rondo, you’ve an interesting way of assessing every post in total isolation with no sense of connections between posts or of context.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo, you’ve an interesting way of assessing every post in total isolation with no sense of connections between posts or of context.

I have the attention span of a goldfish what were we talking about again?
[VOTE: Dyson ] aubergine

[MacDougall]

I gave a cop check to the mafia didn't I lol

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm in shock that we haven't killed the Alison slot which even if we forget about Lomo and the weird EoD (sure you can shoehorn in this absurd theory that Mac is peddling - but why don't two of them just smack down JJJ - falcon was capped).

She is still posting more like batman, less like basic.

Just look at how she pushed people, when she's town she's got so much conviction in her push regardless of the periodic reminder "other things in life are more important than WW"

Also when she's town, she's dialed in on simplest answer must be true, here I don't even know why she didn't like Motel Room and there was evidence suggesting it wasn't Alison T / We motel room.

I don't know why she suspects TSP, unless it's just low post count in which case why didn't she suspect him in the other games? Is it just because she has no one else to push?

Idgi - I thought she was outed mafia for everyone, but apparently we want to kill Falcon who is out of his scum range.

[NotAnAxehole]

I gave a cop check to the mafia didn't I lol

He's playing some silly gimmick. I wouldn't read much into it. It's not impossible, but he could have saved Scotty EOD?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alison is my preferred elimination.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have just entered crisis mode (I’m fine) in ~RL~ and cannot pay attention to Mafia at the moment. I trust town to have sound judgment. Go get ‘em gang.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I have just entered crisis mode (I’m fine) in ~RL~ and cannot pay attention to Mafia at the moment. I trust town to have sound judgment. Go get ‘em gang.

First things first, I must accuse you of having a warewolf agenda with this. Tradition demands.

Secondly. Hope everything is ok my dude, see you on the flip side

[Alison]

falcon45ca
3
Voters: Mizery, tutuu, motel room

Scotty
4
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Master Radishes, JaggedJimmyJay, dunya

You can honestly probably clear every single player that's voting here plus me. Is that not auto?

Yeh this is why I wanted to flip falcon, he's likely mafia and if he does flip red he clears a hard to read in a vacuum slot in tutu and two otherwise likely poe slots in miz and motel

Why does a mafia falcon clear these slots?

[tutuu]

@MacDougall just to be 100% safe in case neither falcon nor tsp is chopped can u say who ur giving tracker to?

[Dyson sphere]

I gave a cop check to the mafia didn't I lol

So do you know this or are you guessing it? Which player was that again?

[tutuu]

@MacDougall just to be 100% safe in case neither falcon nor tsp is chopped can u say who ur giving tracker to?

Nvm its TSP i just woke up

[Dyson sphere]

Softwarewolf or hardwarewolf?

[Alison]

I'm okay with a Falcon exe. He's not at the bottom of my POE, but he's in it. Setting aside motel for now because of Mac's point, next on my list is TSP who is getting the tracker tonight and should self resolve. A falcon red flip would look good for nook as well (and in that world we probably just turbo Axe for trying to push me over falcon) which is incredibly helpful since he's after TSP in my POE.

[Alison]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I don't think I'll be around for EOD as per usual, but I'll make an effort to show up if I can spare the time.

Reiterating TSP/Nook/Axe/Falcon POE if you people CFD me again. Set motel room to one side under Mac's argument that they would have voted me if they were a wolf; bring them back into the POE after a couple of days if the easy answers don't hit and it no longer becomes appropriate to clear them for a simple refusal to vote.

[Dyson sphere]

My reads haven't really changed. I continue to feel comfortable with my POE ordering and nothing has made me question my townclears. My legacy is clear, and I think it's also fairly uncontroversial: go motel first, then TSP, then nanook, then Axe/Falcon and you should win. Kill me to assuage your doubts if you must; we have space for an extra misexe if both scum are contained in those five names. Reasses at LyLo in case it's MR slipping past the cracks or something, but until then I feel that this game is going in the right direction and should be kept on rails. A mafia died D1 and left behind clear spew and clear wagonomics; we should play properly based on that. Don't let people in the POE cause chaos or try to open it up with tinfoil and shade-throwing on townie but framable slots like Mizery or MR before LyLo. Don't ever leave motel alive past D3 if you kill me.

Wagonomics, lol, you guys have this game down like a science. But like players who are mafia can also vote for lynching fellow mafia players. Is this a likely scenario or an unlikely scenario? How can you tell?

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: nanook ] aubergine

[tutuu]

My reads haven't really changed. I continue to feel comfortable with my POE ordering and nothing has made me question my townclears. My legacy is clear, and I think it's also fairly uncontroversial: go motel first, then TSP, then nanook, then Axe/Falcon and you should win. Kill me to assuage your doubts if you must; we have space for an extra misexe if both scum are contained in those five names. Reasses at LyLo in case it's MR slipping past the cracks or something, but until then I feel that this game is going in the right direction and should be kept on rails. A mafia died D1 and left behind clear spew and clear wagonomics; we should play properly based on that. Don't let people in the POE cause chaos or try to open it up with tinfoil and shade-throwing on townie but framable slots like Mizery or MR before LyLo. Don't ever leave motel alive past D3 if you kill me.

Wagonomics, lol, you guys have this game down like a science. But like players who are mafia can also vote for lynching fellow mafia players. Is this a likely scenario or an unlikely scenario? How can you tell?

Yeah fam we nerds play this for years and years hahah

Even chess got (mostly) solved by computers

[Dyson sphere]

well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

What if there are other players who received a role and haven't spoken up about it yet? At which point should one claim a role?

[tutuu]

well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

What if there are other players who received a role and haven't spoken up about it yet? At which point should one claim a role?

They should claim it immediately

Do u have one?

[Dyson sphere]

My reads haven't really changed. I continue to feel comfortable with my POE ordering and nothing has made me question my townclears. My legacy is clear, and I think it's also fairly uncontroversial: go motel first, then TSP, then nanook, then Axe/Falcon and you should win. Kill me to assuage your doubts if you must; we have space for an extra misexe if both scum are contained in those five names. Reasses at LyLo in case it's MR slipping past the cracks or something, but until then I feel that this game is going in the right direction and should be kept on rails. A mafia died D1 and left behind clear spew and clear wagonomics; we should play properly based on that. Don't let people in the POE cause chaos or try to open it up with tinfoil and shade-throwing on townie but framable slots like Mizery or MR before LyLo. Don't ever leave motel alive past D3 if you kill me.

Wagonomics, lol, you guys have this game down like a science. But like players who are mafia can also vote for lynching fellow mafia players. Is this a likely scenario or an unlikely scenario? How can you tell?

Yeah fam we nerds play this for years and years hahah

Even chess got (mostly) solved by computers

Yeah, I wonder how AI would solve mafia. I've been thinking about that question last night actually. Another game that isn't solved yet is Magic: The Gathering, a card game. I think it's interesting, but I tried learning it and gave up too. I prefer simple games like uno.

[falcon45ca]

The problem with meta is that it evolves. Once upon a time it was easy to read Falcon; then once upon a different time it became harder (for me) as he improved his scum game and could match his tone/style more closely. Recently I felt comfortable reading him again, but less on meta and more so on how he treated me when we were in the same game.

So I hesitate to speak up because I don't want people taking me at my word as if I'm a meta expert. I find when you play *too* many games with someone you begin to see aspects of both their town and scum games in everything they do. I see that here with Falc. On top of that, nearly all our experience has been in the more insular CDC community, and only a handful of games in the last half a year off our home site (here on the Syndicate). Different environments mean changing meta as well, which also makes me hesitant to commit to a meta read.

My main concern here and now with him is that, in my most recent experience, I figured out wolf Falc based on him trying to pocket me, whereas town Falc is usually wary of me at first. In this game, he's...not been blatantly pocketing me, perhaps, but certainly I've seen no attempt to solve me. I feel like town Falcon should've been more reluctant to let me slank my way through the game like I sort of have. I've tried to avoid engaging him beyond non-game stuff to see how that develops and it...hasn't. He's done other little things I associate with town Falc, but big-picture-wise I'm not convinced.

So right now, GTH, I want to call Falcon scum. But if he flips town I'm just going to shrug and re-calibrate my expectations of him for future games together.

These are all fair takes, and I'm ok with how you're approaching my slot.

I prefer solving your slot later in the game, since reading you off tone isn't as easy for me as other players. I find it a simpler task to read you based off who and how you solve, and that's not something I can do in the early RDs. See the Champs game, where I tried to early game read you and failed miserably.

[Dyson sphere]

well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

What if there are other players who received a role and haven't spoken up about it yet? At which point should one claim a role?

They should claim it immediately

Do u have one?

But if I had a power role wouldn't that make me a target for a night kill?

[tutuu]

well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

What if there are other players who received a role and haven't spoken up about it yet? At which point should one claim a role?

They should claim it immediately

Do u have one?

But if I had a power role wouldn't that make me a target for a night kill?

Thats good for town, we already have tons of targets that mafia wants dead

If u have received a role and depending on when u received it, u reveieved it by the Mafia. So ur role might backfire, so u shouldnt use it

But it would be nice for u to share with us if u received one, because mafia cant give role to other mafia, so we would know for sure u are town, and it would be easier for us to solve the game and decide who to chop

[Dyson sphere]

Alright, quick question, I've been reading more than one player bemoan the post cap. Do you guys honestly believe that unlimited posting would actually help yourselves or each other or anyone really? I'm sure some of you could make a 1000 posts in a day phase. What would that even accomplish, I just can't understand that. What is there to say except make the thread require more effort to read?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: nanook ] aubergine

Vote me harder daddy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

What if there are other players who received a role and haven't spoken up about it yet? At which point should one claim a role?

It should've already been claimed, so

Immediately is the answer

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca @TonyStarkPrime iight so one of u receiving tracker tonight and u can use it starting next night

U shouldnt immediately use it if we chop town today and tomorrow, coz

We want u to die, thats why u get the tracker

If ur town, and u use ur tracks too fast, and u miss, mafia wont have to kill u, and ur back in the PoE and thats not good for town

So i think ideally you use ur second track on the night before f3, which hopefully gets u night killed

Lemme calculate....

Worst case scenario we chop 4 town in a row and enter f3 on day 6

So use ur tracks on n4 and n5

Unless we chop a mafia earlier, then immediately start using them

I think thats the optimal plan layout

Sure, I can dig it

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine