The Syndicate

What made you put me back into your town list by the way?

Everyone else seems townie tbh. I don't have many fears.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:44 am If Lucy's a wolf then okay she couldn't do anything to not die but if she's town it's just a complete waste that we have to do and while we're all sitting here it's like completely stagnating the game to even make other slots harder to solve because there's little/nothing for anyone to do to influence the game

Ergo she's a wolf because she would know better than to do this as a town.

Like even if she's completely given up she would at least outline her case on you I think, particularly when she's allegedly convinced that people will analyze this day/sheep her legacy after she flips.

Why do people hate boring thread states so much? They're usually correct. I want all my games to be boring consensus wagons on mafia.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:22 pm She didn't hop on sparkles. She was on Nook vanity wagon

She was on Sparkles' wagon EOD, when did she move? I am on mobile and can't ISO easily.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:18 pm u have to find the reasons yourself bucko

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, does this look like a town who sees the impending loss on the horizon and is desperate to do anything she can to stop it?

Oh, and I think if Esooa is mafia she tries harder to get a lucy wagon with my support rather than wandering off to hop on Sparkles.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:01 pm
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MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:20 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:36 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:26 pm I also was just genuinely sad Nook no sold me when we we’re both here, but I can’t express emotion without it being labeled as manipulative AtE apparently
this is manipulative ate

No u.

@lucy that’s cutee, buddy attempt accepted for now, who do u wanna vote for are voting for and why

That's it from Sparkles on Esooa.

Spoiler: show
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:04 pm My top suspects are Marmot and Sparkles. Everyone else is various shades of null to town right now.

I don't think lucy's opening is AI for her. I would like to see the promised thoughts as it has been 5 hours. @lucy
why sparkles

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:48 pm Don't know how to read sparkles so I'll just sheep

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:43 am she's only that loud about it cause of all the things I posted and such lol

Tho saying she was going to give reads and then coming and not is a thing at least

also don't really feel like Sparkles is that scummy but she could a wolf. I guess this post is useless but I was thinking she was kinda towny until I realized that might make her a wolf cause when I played with her before my thoughts were anything but "pretty forgettable, a little towny ig" so there's that

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:49 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:33 am Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!
Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:32 am Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:34 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:32 am Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be
Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

From Esooa's side, we're given a bunch of opportunities to make judgment calls. If Esooa is Sparkles' teammate, I don't think we can call this material "distancing", and maybe not even "bussing" unless that word means "place a vote for your teammate" and nothing more. Esooa's treatment of Sparkles kind of falls on the third corner of the triangle that has formed in my head of players with similar world views and very different products reflecting their world views: Alison, Wilgy, and Esooa. All three said in some form that they were cool with the lucy/Sparkles POE, and Esooa was the one to place the actual Sparkles vote. That vote came with little verbal weight, however, given that it was a shrugging sheep and followed by commentary that could move late wagons elsewhere.

So that's the judgment call. Is this Esooa genuinely shrugging her way uneasily into the correct Sparkles chop, or is it some combination of feeble distancing and effort to move other votes? With a gun to my head I favor the former. Esooa, even in this lower activity body, is not a player I would describe as "feeble". If she is going to distance or bus, she probably just does it? All the way? It's not a crime to be unsure about a Day 1 chop. I welcome discussion on this one, because it's not my most confident read.

I think Esooa has been townie both yesterday and today, just in a vacuum. She is reading me in a very specific way (trying to see how far I stretch my logic) and I find this to be a reasonable way of reading me that matches with her previous approach to me as town. Her approach to lucy matches mine as well. As you suggest, she has expressed doubt on Sparkles, but so did Outed Wolf himself, and she has not expressed that doubt in ways that are likely to convince people to move off Sparkles.

Today, she has stuck to her guns on lucy even when handed ripe opportunities to turn on me, despite openly voicing hesitation on her previous Alison townread. She shares my belief that the game can be solved by simple POE. I have no issues with her approach at all and in many respects she has played the game as I would as a townie in her shoes.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:52 pm i wish to renounce alison from the church, plus sabi if you turbo alison u throw

What exactly about Esooa's thought process is off?

This is the second time I am asking you this question. Esooa is your top suspect and you are allegedly very worried that town will throw the game. If you care enough to beg me not to vote you, or beg Sabi not to vote me, you should care enough to at least give a brief summary of why your top suspect is your top suspect.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:43 pm Why did you choose Wilgy to examine Jay?
Alphabetical order. I'm looking at Esooa currently.

Oh, good point. Didn't realize. I keep thinking Wilgy starts with W, not D.

Why did you choose Wilgy to examine Jay?

Ehhh he kinda has to clear me if he's mafia doesn't he.

But he also kinda can't. The POE is way too tight for him to be coming in townreading fringe members of the POE like me.

He does choose to throw more sus on Wilgy than most people... but if his idea was just to open the POE, why pick Wilgy to go after instead of me?

So Jay is town.

Which means the mafia is just lucy and maybe Nanook.

But it's really just lucy.

I am comfortable being in the POE as long as my suspects are too.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:34 pm For anyone to answer:

Why is Nanook town?

He popped in during a point in time where it was theoretically possible for the D1 exe to switch from Sparkles to lucy in order to say that he thinks lucy's meta matches up with her claims. If the team is Sparkles/Nanook, I would think that he would be more likely to leave lucy on the table as a possible misexe.

He also committed to voting whoever Wilgy voted fairly early on in the day. If the team is Sparkles/Nanook, Nanook is giving up a mafia vote in order to make a strong consensus town a doublevoter. That would be quite damaging to his team.

These are my reasons for townreading Nanook. They are not as strong as my reasons for the others, and so I have him as my top suspect if my immediate POE (lucy and then you) doesn't end the game.

You claim lucy ATEing has no upside, bit what is the downside? If she is scum she clearly cannot win by being loud and getting a bunch of townreads. Nor can she sway people into getting paranoid of their townreads as multiple people have stated a confident list of townies that they are unlikely to budge on. The only recourse left to mafia lucy is to scrape the bottom of the barrel for desperate defenses and that is exactly what she has done here.

This is exactly how you treated Dale in the first game we played together. Defending obvious scum ATEing out the ass for literally no reason. One would think you would know it is well within mafia's ability to do considering you did the same yourself in our second game together.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:14 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:11 pm The upside is getting gullible people like you to move off her for no reason.
I was never on her. Also please don't talk down to me. You're the one tunneling someone because of your ego.

I have quoted multiple good reasons to vote Lucy. Your reasons for scumreading me are, quote, "scummy tone", and your reasons for townreading lucy are "she self voted and ATE'd". There is one person between the two of us defending bad reads for dubious reasons out of pride, and it is not me.

The upside is getting gullible people like you to move off her for no reason.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:49 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:44 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:30 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:16 am What's the difference? And why does it matter if she is telling people that?
I'm too hungover to go through and post her ate from the vulture game.

Because there's no scum motivation for this and also goes against her wincon if she's scum.
The motivation of all scum ATE is to get people to stop voting them.
She hasn't asked anyone but you to stop voting her. She's asking everyone to not vote you.

What is the scum motivation

She has directly said that town will lose if we vote her out.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:30 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:16 am What's the difference? And why does it matter if she is telling people that?
I'm too hungover to go through and post her ate from the vulture game.

Because there's no scum motivation for this and also goes against her wincon if she's scum.

The motivation of all scum ATE is to get people to stop voting them.

What's the difference? And why does it matter if she is telling people that?

Yes, I know she is voting herself. I don't take that seriously because this game doesn't have a hammer and she can easily switch votes elsewhere before EOD. She also only resorted to it when other attempts at trying to persuade me to move off her failed, and regardless, "self vote and ATE" is a distinctly scummy thing to do.

Is she?

Someone who wanted to "prove that Alison can't read her" would be like... "well, go on then, kill me, I want to see the expression on your face when I flip green". That is not what she has done. She has spent a significant amount of time on Day 1 arguing that her actions are NAI rather than scummy. She has spent a significant amount of time on Day 2 arguing that she would not kill Outed Wolf, and trying to persuade me that executing her will lead to bad outcomes for me.

Regardless of your read on her, I think it is fairly clear that lucy is not eager to jump into the arms of death and martyr herself.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:17 am I'll just assume you meant sparkles.

Nanoook probably hadn't read it

Yeah Sparkles spew, typo

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:55 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:06 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:55 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:59 am What are your reads Nanook?
Sabi falcon esooa Jay town

Needs one more, probably wilgy
Not Marmot?
Correct

I thought Marmot looked good off Sabi spew, why not him?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:43 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:29 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:55 pm Alison tried to force lucy to be a cw to sparkles.

Alison weird comments in eod.

The math isn't matching.
Do you think lucy is town?
I don't think she's scum.

What has she done to make you think she isn't scum?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:55 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:59 am What are your reads Nanook?
Sabi falcon esooa Jay town

Needs one more, probably wilgy

Not Marmot?

What are your reads Nanook?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:38 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay legacy is Esooa, their thought process is off
Maybe if you put as much effort into casing her as you do into complaining about how I'm going to die if I push you, I'd actually have a reason to move off you. But you didn't so.
you’d never move off me lol

What is off about her thought process?

I have been in general agreement with her reads and pushes for most of the game, and we can't both be scum.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:32 pm If anyone cares, I'll explain my EoD thoughts

Mostly wasn't feeling great on JJJ but had no reasons to pursue it, so that was the first thing that originally swayed me off Sparkles and saying a bit before it that I was thinking it's JJJ/OW. I was a bit bored so I asked OW a couple things but he didn't really care to respond or explain anything, so I took his weird posts that I read at the time at their face value and took him as a wolf read. Mostly

"Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me."

This doesn't really seem like a reason to change your read on Alison at all and I didn't like it.

I didn't even realize OW was a wagon at this time, though, and once I realized he was I took a bit and thought about it some more. I thought him deliberately not responding to things I asked of him when he could die at an EoD where he's the counterwagon was probably not something he'd do as a wolf, and as I thought about Sparkles more I was also more fine with voting her. On her own, I thought her posts were wolf indicative, but it's because she was playing in a more easily digestible and towny way. I don't really feel like going "this persons not loudly pushing a lot of bad things so I'm going to vote them," because like, it's an improvement lol, and I haven't played with them for a while so I thought maybe they just got better about that in general. But then I just went with, well I still think it's wolfier posting so whatever and voted them right before EoD in case she was gonna tie OW or something.

I think it's at least a decent thought process overall and all of it is reflected in my posts last EoD

I interpreted OW's post as meaning "I think lucy is scummier now, so Alison attacking her is townier" which kinda makes sense.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay legacy is Esooa, their thought process is off

Maybe if you put as much effort into casing her as you do into complaining about how I'm going to die if I push you, I'd actually have a reason to move off you. But you didn't so.

The more you do this, the more I become convinced that you are indeed mafia. A townie in your position would be a lot more likely to try to find the actual mafia and leave a strong legacy, or furnish actual townie things they have done, than to try to use arguments like "I am TWTBW" and "you will all lose if you misexe me", which are the refuge of wolves who have no argument left to give.

You have failed in trying to shake me with base threats that a literal 8v1 will be lost because I was wrong on one person... especially because I don't even think I'm wrong on you. Feel free to peddle your fearmongering rhetoric elsewhere, because it will not work on me.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:59 pm you're wrong on me and you're walking into a pretty Lynch, already have decent sus on you

Town has 4 kills left before the game ends and I have a POE of 3. Why should I care if I'm the 4th? I know these people and I trust them. They aren't going to int the game after I'm gone. You making base appeals to self preservation shows how desperate you are.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:58 pm conf bias me into oblivion and you're policied the day after, then jjj is killed the night you die

I'm down for that.

We have 4 kills before mafia wins. If it goes as you describe, and JJJ is killed, then they simply get rid of Nanook who is in my extremely tiny POE and who is also voting me. He almost always flips mafia in that situation, and if he doesn't then they have 1 more kill to find the deepwolf still.

I am more than happy to take that course of action if your prediction is correct.

Also just so you know, Sparkles wouldn't even be a wagon without me. I was one of the first people to call her out and she practically begged Marmot to vote me instead of her. That you are even suspecting me right now means that you are tunnelled beyond human belief.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:55 pm Alison tried to force lucy to be a cw to sparkles.

Alison weird comments in eod.

The math isn't matching.

Apologies for forcing one mafia to be a CW to another mafia.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:52 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:37 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:31 pm Everyone is cleared town except for lucy and Jay. Game is solved.
answer me this, how does an OW nightkill benefit me, give me one reason
How does killing a spewed town benefit a wolf? Hmm, gee, I dunno.
shit argument, how do I vote someone for wagonomics, then kill that person clearing them as town 100%, that NK directly gets me killed, you do understand the optics there, right?
Why do you do that?

So you can make the argument you're making right now.
yes, but you have to understand this is the weakest possible argument I'm left with, no?

I don't care?

Like, I'm not even convinced that you wouldn't take a gamble on bad optics as wolf to get town to engage in reverse psychology. How do you even win 1v8 other than trying for some sick mind game?

This is such a bad argument. I have never accepted "the situation looks so bad for me that I cannot possibly be wolf" as an idea, and I never will, because it simply isn't true. Wolves make NKs that look terrible for them all the time.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:54 pm @Alison how do you feel about Esooa not tr-ing you anymore.

Your eid was terrible

I don't care what she thinks because I have her as confirmed town and my POE is extremely small. You might as well ask me how I feel about your godawful tunnel on me.

I have provided my arguments about why I think Esooa, Wilgy and probably Nook are town.

If you disagree, feel free to provide reasoning to the contrary.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:37 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:31 pm Everyone is cleared town except for lucy and Jay. Game is solved.
answer me this, how does an OW nightkill benefit me, give me one reason
How does killing a spewed town benefit a wolf? Hmm, gee, I dunno.
shit argument, how do I vote someone for wagonomics, then kill that person clearing them as town 100%, that NK directly gets me killed, you do understand the optics there, right?

Why do you do that?

So you can make the argument you're making right now.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:48 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:46 pm That leaves JJJ and lucy. Jay hasn't been overtly scummy and his progression on Sparkles looks okay. He never really lead the charge against Sparkles at any time so it could just be him resigning himself to bussing. I'm surprised he hasn't dug into the Sparkle associatives since I think they immediately solve the game. Nevertheless, he is mostly in the POE because I cannot find any association that clears him.

Which leaves lucy. The person who has been playing in an extremely anti town way all of D1. If she is Sparkles' teammate, it would explain why the Sparkles wagon had hardly any resistance. She took time off her "not making any votes/reads" gimmick to slap a vote on the town counterwagon to mafia, without calling the vote. I would consider that pretty outing.
I'm a much much better wolf, the real reason I'm not mafia is cause you'd never find me this scummy d2 as scum

This argument has been used seven quadrillion times since the first human stepped out of the first cave. In all that time, it has never convinced anyone.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:08 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:01 pm Alison's posts after EoD are weird, removing her from my town

Wilgy/Falcon/JJJ/Sabi/Marmot town
What are your thoughts on lucy and the "Alison and JJJ are town, best players here, and Maf aren't worried about them" read of hers?

There are some very strong players here...yourself, Nook, Marmot, Wilgy...there's no lightweights. It's a strange take IMO

lucy got recently snowed by an Alison/JJJ wolf team where the topic of "why didn't you just policy them when they were consensus townread but kept not dying at night" was repeatedly brought up. I'd wager this is just a reference to that and is not particularly AI either way.

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

[v]lucy[/v]

That leaves JJJ and lucy. Jay hasn't been overtly scummy and his progression on Sparkles looks okay. He never really lead the charge against Sparkles at any time so it could just be him resigning himself to bussing. I'm surprised he hasn't dug into the Sparkle associatives since I think they immediately solve the game. Nevertheless, he is mostly in the POE because I cannot find any association that clears him.

Which leaves lucy. The person who has been playing in an extremely anti town way all of D1. If she is Sparkles' teammate, it would explain why the Sparkles wagon had hardly any resistance. She took time off her "not making any votes/reads" gimmick to slap a vote on the town counterwagon to mafia, without calling the vote. I would consider that pretty outing.

The case for Nanook being town relies on the fact that he leashed his vote to Wilgy's. In a Nanook mafia world, he would be essentially committing to sheeping a strong and loud townie, which is a pretty anti-wolf thing to do. He also took the time to dig up lucy meta that confirms her claims (thus making her look better) and showing it to me at a point in time that lucy was the only real alternative to Sparkles. I think if he was mafia with Sparkles he'd be happy to let me run lucy down.

Here is the brief summary of why everyone else is town. Ping me if you need specific explanation on each case.

Sabiplz - Out of their wolf range, gains nothing by pushing me yesterday. Tried to veto one of the only other alternative exes to Sparkles. Sparkles blatantly tried to pocket and manipulate them.

DrWilgy - Broke out of their slanker meta, unlikely for them to do so as wolf. Signal boosted my scumread on Sparkles. No reason at all for them to do a complete 180 on their read on me (from wolfreading me to townreading me) when Sparkles was in danger and I was scumreading her.

Esooa - Had the exact same reads as me all game, shielded me when people were distrustful, tunnelled lucy all day but switched to Sparkles on a dime. My personal sense is that she'd powerwolf in this scenario too.

falcon45a - Absurdly townie, voted a mafia. Both me and Esooa godread him town.

Marmot - Sparkles was practically on her knees begging him to switch his vote from her (mafia) to me (town)... and he responded by saying "that's manipulative, ima vote you". Obvious town.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:31 pm Everyone is cleared town except for lucy and Jay. Game is solved.
answer me this, how does an OW nightkill benefit me, give me one reason

How does killing a spewed town benefit a wolf? Hmm, gee, I dunno.

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