The Syndicate

sweet

thanks LC :P

my first banner!

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:58 pm Who had the Take 5 bomb @Long Con ?
No one ended up getting it.

Was there a way to receive it?

Does someone have the dead chat and can they post it in here?

OH YEAH TRUE AHHHHHH

Gg’s, the post was me openly wolfing, the exact term is lolcating, I just basically copied scum slips and modified the names to fit for this game lol

I was looking for more but I couldn’t find them

So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets lynched first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth. I saw the votecount and it looked like it was him or you. I knew if I voted you I'd either get scum and p much win, or I'd get town and you'd shoot him (killing scum). That's how it goes pretty much every time. So I flipped a coin that would only land heads up.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot lynchproof) which is why I posted like I did at beginning of day 2. I know you know I'm town, cuz if you didn't think I was, you'd have shot me yesterday. Let's lynch juliets and win this thing for the homies?

It's a recent event, thought it was rather fitting for the situation.

Going to sleep now

Zzz...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:41 am Sloonei on tedxtr

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:10 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:05 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:59 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:58 amDo you not want me to ask you questions?
Explain why this question exists
ted's response looked as if he was trying to shove me away.
I don't see that. It looks like you shoehorned that in there for attitude.

I have a suspicion of Sloonei.

How do you read him?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:36 pm It doesn't move me very much. You'll see Town Sloon soon enough, and I can develop a read on you without it. If you have a specific point you'd like me to address, give it.
An accusation of you doesn't move you?

JJJ dissing Sloonei is inherently unusual and would on its own power seem to demand some kind of interchange -- one I wouldn't expect to have to press for. You suggested ted was sort of dodging you; I didn't get that impression. I saw him pose a philosophical question of general strategy (i.e. "how much can you really glean from X?") without a dismissive tone. Folks often don't know what to do with your questions, Sloonbeard, it's something that has gotten you into trouble.

Moreover, my initial spark of suspicion came as a product of "do you not want me to ask questions?". That is itself hardly an accusation, but it seems as though you bear some degree of suspicion of ted. That was unclear to me until I asked just now. Clarity is not something I am used to lacking with Sloonei.
A Day 0 poo fling from Jay is a very usual thing. But since we're here:
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tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:49 am Could you please define this swag and also indicate where its absence can be noted?
Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.
Each of the bottom two paragraphs here struck me as suggesting discomfort from ted. You highlighted the first paragraph, which I acknowledge could be a response from a player who is not accustomed to my aggressive style of questioning. But the bottom paragraph resonated more strongly with me. "I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I'm observing." The wording suggests that my light pressure has put him in a spot that he does not want to be in. Whether he doesn't want to be in that spot because his reads are bogus, or because he's not accustomed to providing so much detail this early on, I do not know.

ted was town in All My Circuits and sprit's wacky social experiment thing. I should review those games.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:30 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:16 pmYou've been saying this all game and haven't even hinted at a reason why. Why?
Well, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?
Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:12 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:11 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:07 pm I’m happy with the result but annoyed the day ended early because my theory will have to wait.

I don’t trust G-Man or tedexter. Ted still hasn’t answered my question. He made a point of people @ ing him to get his attention. I specifically did that and didn’t see an answer.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. I’ll be absent most of now.
if i don't answer questions it's because they were most likely either answered or easily searchable. that is, if you truly wanted an answer for what you were looking for.
It doesn’t hurt to re-state things so others can have easy access to your answer.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:20 pm This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:27 pm tedxtr who are your strongest town reads?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:31 pm I’m sitting here impatiently waiting for Dom to respond to ted’s reads and then I remembered it’s his birthday and he should be doing other things

Dom when you can, are you satisfied with the reads ted has shared? Has he answered your question?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:50 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:40 pm The reason you're on the lower end is because I remember your early start that was aesthetically pleasing. I saw you had good , well-timed questions but I am sort of reluctant to town read you fully because, other than that, I honestly don't remember anything else you've done. I just remember you being there and kind of skimming your posts. I'm wanting to see some sort of aggressive push from you or something.

Dys I had tons of mindmelds with. At first I thought the way they came in the thread saying "Watch me do nothing this game, what are you gonna do about it" kind of attitude and then giving that read on Michelle felt sort of contradictory, emotionally speaking. As in, you imply you don't give a crap, but you post a shallow read on Michelle, like you felt forced to do it. I also thought it was too early of a town read, even for Michelle, which I also have tons of meta with. Otherwise, their recent content has been good and we mindmelded ever since that initial scum lean.

TSP's a read that's like broadly applied to my mental map of how town!lurkers approach a game as opposed to scum!lurkers. There's no scum agenda behind his posting, and with scum lurkers, the usual mentality is "ah I gotta post something good to make up for my absence" and that usually turns into awkward reads on people and shit. The reason he's that low is because I didn't like his early Jay read joke thing which read as awkward and I want to look for some form of thought process that I can easily follow through and get rid of this paranoia for his slot. It's this low because it's a general approach to reading lurkers and I need some more context to be more confident in it.
Regarding myself, I’ve definitely dropped below my desired level of play. I’ve had an annoying fever the last few days and reading this thread has literally been painful. I’m about 75% better now.

Your explanation for why you town read dizzy features a lot of reasons not to town read dizzy. Why?

I appreciate your perspective on Tony.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:19 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:57 pm No it doesn't? I started out with an early scum read and I'm explaining how it turned out to be otherwise. Once my initial theory on her trying to fake bravado and seeing she dropped the shtick, after she started posting a lot, I started getting lukewarm about the slot and between skims I saw some reads that expressed the EXACT same thoughts I had (re : S~V~S) which was an uncontroversial read that it was hard explaining but I appreciated someone else having the same thought. It could be bad reasoning but I sometimes am not, uh, really mindmelding with anyone and having someone occasionally do just that just makes me instantly town read them. Been liking their progress and in hindsight, the whole "watch me slank" and this obviously not being the case is probably more town indicative, because they thought they'd have no reason to play this / just wanted to roll with the whole "i'mma have fun", but they can't stop commenting on posts to extract information. So the hypocrisy here comes from town.
I mean, it does:
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:40 pm Dys I had tons of mindmelds with. At first I thought the way they came in the thread saying "Watch me do nothing this game, what are you gonna do about it" kind of attitude and then giving that read on Michelle felt sort of contradictory, emotionally speaking. As in, you imply you don't give a crap, but you post a shallow read on Michelle, like you felt forced to do it. I also thought it was too early of a town read, even for Michelle, which I also have tons of meta with. Otherwise, their recent content has been good and we mindmelded ever since that initial scum lean.
I guess it's all one reason, but it takes up more than half of the text you wrote. That strikes me as an odd way to frame a town read.

As for your response: that makes more sense. I asked about Dizzy because I've been struggling to develop a firm read on them this game. I see lots of bouncing around but not a lot of firm reads. I don't read that as a bad thing, but it inhibits my ability to commit to a confident read of my own. I think the picture you paint here reflects a version of Town DIzzy I've seen in the past. I kinda forget what scum Dizzy looks like though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm I like Dom more. I think Dom has taken on an incisive, fierce tone that feels both authentic and generally civilian in character.
What do you make of the whole dom/ted thing on the last page?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:47 pm I don't trust speedchuck.
Any reasons you can share at the moment?
I'm about to begin a bunch of lab work, so I will try to get to your questions in a bit if I can.
Aight. I’m also interested in your thoughts on ted’s responses to my follow up questions after the exchange with dom.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:20 pm This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?
You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.
you missed the other part where ted responded and i asked him a few more questions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:20 pm This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?
You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.
you missed the other part where ted responded and i asked him a few more questions.
I assume you're referring to the bit where you asked about how he presented his civilian read on Dizzy? If so, I understand why you'd be inclined to ask your question. I am not especially bothered by it on ted's part. When you asked him to expand on his town reads, he did so with a mind for the start-to-present progression which, in the case of Dizzy at least, meant that there was some degree of conflict in the read. But he landed on town -- he expanded on that further after your prod. You got beef?
A little bit. I'm getting hung up on the initial framing of his Dizzy read. It was "Dyslexicon is town. [Several lines of text explaining why Dyslexicon was previously not a town read]. Dyslexicon is town." The follow-up response was a better answer, but the first one felt like a non-answer, which recalled my Day 0 beef with ted.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:32 pm A little bit. I'm getting hung up on the initial framing of his Dizzy read. It was "Dyslexicon is town. [Several lines of text explaining why Dyslexicon was previously not a town read]. Dyslexicon is town." The follow-up response was a better answer, but the first one felt like a non-answer, which recalled my Day 0 beef with ted.
I think it's important that this dialogue began when you asked him for his strongest town reads -- the genesis of these comments existing was your brain as much as or more than ted's brain. He gave a small pile of names and ordered them, and then expanded on the names you asked about. He's giving you a rundown, which could be said to go above and beyond the call of your question.

The framing may be a bit different if ted had come up with the post entirely himself: "these are my strongest town reads and [here's why they're not town]"
The framing was part of my problem. When asked to justify a town read, Ted did the opposite and explained why he had previously had a scum read. If his follow-up had been the initial response, I'd have no issue. It just feels out of sync. But to be fair, I did like each of his other two answers in that same post. I don't think I would vote for ted right now, but it's something I'm keeping in mind.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:15 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?
my methods of hunting put me two scum on a plate

and i think i have a really good point on juliets so i want people to hop in.
I was talking about people talking about sig’s slip.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:55 pm I'm doing school junk at the moment, but I'll throw my Day 0 beef with ted back into the mix because it may be relevant again:

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:09 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:58 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:54 am Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.
Tone reads always have underlying reasons.

I can't tell you what I'm going to get out of anything. I do things so we can all see what happens. Do you not want me to ask you questions?
How’d you twist me explaining why tone reads are holistic and are really subjective into me not wanting you to ask me questions lol. My point was that it’s an unproductive way of sorting me, not that I wouldn’t want you to ask me questions lol

Regarding J’s request, i’ll do it some time later prob in like 30 minutes idk i have class

Cyaaaaa
Your bottom two paragraphs read like you don't want to be part of this conversation. "Don't ask me to explain these things, just accept them." I will read you, one way or another, based on what I can glean from your activity. This is our first real mafia game together. My thing is that I ask people questions. Your answers will always tell me something.

Linki: stop posting, dickbutts.
I gave ted a generic Day 0 prod and he responded more defensively than I would have expected. "I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing" felt particularly out of place, since the nature of my initial question was "can you explain the reads you just shared?"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:30 pm I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:09 pm daylight saving's got me all messed up. I feel like it should only be 5 right now but my clock says 7. We seem locked in on Colin vs. speedchuck at the moment. Has anyone come up with any new points on either of them that I might have missed? If we had to pivot to a third name (assuming TH is our secret lynch), who would it be?
ted
I can dig it. He had some Mac compatibility and was independently suspicion at least once.

I see that he is not currently voting. tedxtr who you gonna vote for?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:20 pm [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:24 pm When I have caught Epi in the past, it has been because he looks to have a deliberate plan in the thread. On those occasions, he has come into the game and made posts that all seem to be angling for something in particular. I have not observed that happening in this game, but I've also never given less energy to reading Epignosis in a game before. I'll ISO him at some point. I too need to put some energy in other places right now. I'll have at least half an eye on this thing until the deadline. If anyone feels like kicking ted's tires that'd be neat, but we appear to be plunging into a colin lynch. I'm not as inspired to stop it as I was several days ago.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:26 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:22 pm Observers: Commence to comment.
I'm keen to lynch Colin. On that front, sure. I agree with your conclusion. One question:

You noted Colin agreeing with Dyslexicon about a point against Tony. You said you sought follow-up. Later you observed Colin's Day 2 vote for Tony and said you didn't know why he placed it. And lastly you mentioned that the "Tony stuff you were looking for" was vague.

Please expand on all of that. It looks disjointed to me, and at times I struggled to follow what you were saying in general within that case.
Colin didn't bother to interact with his suspects. That's a red flag. A vote doesn't mean anything to me, especially with more than one mafia. I was looking for Colin to parse his suspicion of Tony.

This is where I am. I'll read the rest after this in about an hour. And get roaring drunk. Again.
I feel like I just spoke this post into existence.
Talk to me about ted and speedchuck.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:08 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:30 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:24 pm When I have caught Epi in the past, it has been because he looks to have a deliberate plan in the thread. On those occasions, he has come into the game and made posts that all seem to be angling for something in particular. I have not observed that happening in this game, but I've also never given less energy to reading Epignosis in a game before. I'll ISO him at some point. I too need to put some energy in other places right now. I'll have at least half an eye on this thing until the deadline. If anyone feels like kicking ted's tires that'd be neat, but we appear to be plunging into a colin lynch. I'm not as inspired to stop it as I was several days ago.
He townread sig for a long while and then casually and quietly dropped him, if that helps
who is "he"?
Epi, the subject of your paragraph
I also talked about ted and colin, but noted

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:34 am [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:54 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:20 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:34 am [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.
What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?
It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:11 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:04 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:54 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:20 am

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?
It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.
So you're suggesting my scum partners are some masterminds and we set the thread momentum?

This almost never is the case, but I guess I'll take the fearmongering as a compliment and I'll be sending it further to my non-existent FBI corrupt intel division.
Wut? We had three people up for a lynch yesterday and not much movement happened outside those three names. Two of them were lynched and were town. I don’t think it’s far-fetched to be wary of people who were potentially viable but never got off the ground.

There’s also process of elimination to consider here. There are a handful of people I’d remove from my poop of Mac-teammate-suspects. You’re not one of them.
What's your INDIVIDUAL read of me?
Most of my reads right now are derived from interactive analysis. You are a player that Macdougall had almost nothing to say about, despite you having a lot of (favorable) things to say about him. That stands out to me.

Why is it impossible to believe that your hypothetical mafia team could have manipulated the thread/poll momentum yesterday?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:25 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:19 pm Idgi. If mac had nothing to say to me but I was defending him, do you think that's how he treats a partner? Or someone that he wants to set up after his death? I'm obviously biased in this but I'm trying to understand why you're not reaching the same conclusion, did you make this analysis somewhere / is your explanation out there?

Mafia, in theory, anecdotally, have little to no power in shifting momentum from a player to another, it's ultimately the town's choice. and even if they pulled it off, it would out them in the process, which isn't worth it.
I mean, yeah, I did tons of work to arrive at these reads. But you were a single name in a wall of text, so I don't blame you for missing it. Here is the third and final installment in my Mac trilogy. You defended him, but he mostly ignored you and slapped an empty town read on you towards the end of his time in the game. I feel like Scum Mac would have been more inclined to interact with Town Ted if Town Ted was making such a fuss about not lynching Scum Mac.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:33 pm tedxtr which team is g-man on?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:12 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:03 pm so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?
Observe the rainbow. Two of the bottom names were wrong, so it is likely flawed somewhere. But you and speedchuck remain among the oranges. Epi and Tranq were difficult to place. I would not be totally shocked if one of the light greens was also bad. I think Tony would be my first choice among them, but that's based largely on my general skepticism toward him as a player.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 pm ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.
If you are bad, you are the anti-monitor. I think.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:24 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 pm ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.
If you are bad, you are the anti-monitor. I think.
juicy. why? solely because of him not matching with anyone or is there something else?
ted hasn't read any of my novels

The short version is this: the only observable pattern in sabie's treatment of her two confirmed teammates (sig & radishes) is that she seemed to be actively avoiding them. This is more notable in the case of radishes, as she was prompted to talk about him multiple times but never said anything other than "I don't know." She was similarly prompted to talk about Jay a few times and never said much more than "I don't know." Jay was a big thread presence and is a player who sabie is familiar with.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:04 pm lynch ted i think.

Orange in Radish review

Orange in Mac review

Light green in sabie review

~~~

More than once, Sloonei dangled ted as a token suspect. I don't think any of this looks like distancing -- it looks like bullshit. It's possible there's some real anti-monitor suspicion in there, but I am inclined to think he just wanted a lynch. It's especially evident in that last pre-mortem post.

Doubt they're teammates.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:11 am Sloonei on Tranq

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:04 pm I forgot Tranq was playing. Tranq, get in here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:57 pm Bottom 5 posters:
Tranq
Dragomir
G-man
sabie
speedchuck

Colin is 6th and Michelle is just behind him. Tranq has been AWOL. Drago was, but appeared at the start of this phase. Neither of them have done anything.
I’m frankly surprised that speedchuck has more posts than sabie and G-man; I feel like those latter two have been bigger presences in the thread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:23 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:20 am Cross kills
Makes sense.

But if we’re talking about “keeping a low profile”, I feel like Drago and Tranq don’t really fit; they’ve simply been absent (I think). G-man and speedchuck would be the names that better fit the model of “coasting”.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:57 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.
Hey wait why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:47 pm Opinions please:

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Very hard to read much into that. It could be scum who's happy to see an easy parking spot for their vote, or it could be a civilian who hasn't been around and is happy to see that people who are paying attention share a hunch with him. Tranq and Drago are complete shrugs.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:54 pm i have no significant game experience with tranq so i can't make any meta assessments.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:08 pm Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.
What distinguishes scum lurking from town lurking?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:59 am I would also like to add, though, that sig being in a 3-person thread with you (tony) and Tranq strengthens my belief that he triggered the thread split. If I was sig and I wanted a chance to survive a 3-person lylo/limbo phase (which was the mission in the original game) and I had control over one of the players that I brought with me, I'd choose Tranq 10 times out of 10 (meaning no offense. He's just been the lightest contributor and would be the most likely to simply no-show).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

Tranq
TonyStarkPrime
sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

Tranq
TonyStarkPrime
sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.
Tell me about tranq.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:12 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:03 pm so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?
Observe the rainbow. Two of the bottom names were wrong, so it is likely flawed somewhere. But you and speedchuck remain among the oranges. Epi and Tranq were difficult to place. I would not be totally shocked if one of the light greens was also bad. I think Tony would be my first choice among them, but that's based largely on my general skepticism toward him as a player.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.
All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.
Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?
From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

Absent in Radish review

Light green in Mac review

Light green in sabie review

~~~

As usual with Tranq, there's little to talk about here. I highlighted one post that I really disliked -- Sloonei answered my call for opinions on a Tranq post with a worthless waffle of nothing. Overall this doesn't scream at me, but they can be teammates.

Compatible

And the next post Tranq made was calling J scum based on interactions with Sloonei.

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:31 am I'll repeat myself:
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:25 am Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.
Is there anyone except JJJ and Sloonei that does not plan on voting JJJ tomorrow?

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] I saw you say that Tranq was hard pushing Sloonei. Is this what you think of when you say hard pushing?

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:33 pm This is where i'm at right now:

CIV:
----
Dom
Epignosis
G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
juliets
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

BAD:
----
ColinIsCool (not AM)
JaggedJimmyJay (not AM) or Turnip Head (not AM)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Sloonei (not AM)

NOT SURE:
----
Michelle (not AM, not Master)
speedchuck (not AM, not Master)
tedxtr (not AM, not Master)

If there are good reasons to dispute any of the above, let me know.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 am There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.
TH
Colin
Sloonei

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:39 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:35 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 am There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.
TH
Colin
Sloonei
Whaddya got on Sloonei?
Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:25 am Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

The only thing that makes you scum read me is based on your perception of what a town would act like on Day 9 of a champion game and that's it. You haven't addressed anything prior to this, and you have no reason to do so, because when you have a monitor that is tunneled on me and you just gave her the key to being the IC for today and lead the lynch while you hide in her shadow, there's no reason that you really need to point to and just coast on this irrational push on me.

You just have to point to scummy things that never make someone likely to flip wolf, just things that paint someone wolf. You literally aren't looking for anyone, you are pushing me and seeing where the suspicion lies. If speed is not wolf, then you're narrowing it to me and not considering anyone, so it's literally the exact same thing you're doing lmao.

Don't tell me how I should act. You have no idea how I feel / what thoughts are going through my mind.

I've already stated I'm considering the last person, but right now, you're just PoE'd, locked, there's no reason to let you live. I will search for your team mate, you have 30 posts and 2/3 of them are stating reads, not even interaction. It's just stupid if you think I would have any idea of what your team mate would be based on your interactions alone.

I know that based on flipped wolfs interactions, you're scum. In order to find out who your team mate is, I'd have to force interactions, how do I do that? I fucking lead a lynch on you. You flip red and whoever stayed off wagon or wanted to lynch me instead, they get piked tomorrow.

That, at the moment, would be Epi. Epi and speedy have very similar approaches, they both have the same tone, both have things going for them and against them.

You don't even have a team mate compatible with me as well, you just say it's speedchuck when you have no reason to believe that than PoE reasons. Even you don't have anything on me or speed that locks as one thing or the other.

Stay in your own mind and don't try to dictate how mine should work. You're locked scum for me and there's nothing wrong with me driving your lynch if that is my thought. You have 40 posts, you had shit interactions, you're wolf. There's really nothing else for me to address. You killed the one person town reading me and you're trying to win juliets over. There's nothing to town read you based off arguing Dizzy is town when you janitored her.

The only way you win today is if you get the one person town reading me out of the game and lynching me, when literally everyone expressed a scum read on me. JJJ put in the work to demonstrate I'm civ, I don't fit with anyone. However, you fit perfectly with Sloonei.

His interactions with Sloonei sucks, I've already made a post about it like this page or the one behind. Why would that be a surprise for you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:07 pm I'm flailing because nobody will answer my questions. Because nobody will engage me on them. Because people are suspecting me for reasons that do not exist. And because I want to avoid being the game-losing mislynch at all costs.

I think you're exaggerating. Tranq is gonna be today's lynch.

Mentioning...

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] and [mention]speedchuck[/mention] what are your thoughts on tranq?

Nvm I think Epi has higher odds than speed

ahhhhh i don't fucking know i'll get into some in-depth analysis tomorrow prolly

vote tranq btw

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:12 pm You guys are scumreading me without any reason and POE townreading everyone without reason (except for Juliets, I got that one) and it's going to lose town the game.

At least, lose the game for me, Juliets and whoever the one other townsperson is.

Fwiw I'm kind of juggling between who last one could be and can be suaded but I think I'm locking it on tranq for the rest of the phase and feel like he's the single person who makes the most sense as scum to me right now.

I think speed has better odds at flipping scum than Epi to be honest.

OHHHHHHHH THIS IS SPICY.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] if someone is janitored and they were harbringer, would the harbringer identity be revealed to the scum?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:56 am
I've briefly skimmed Sloonei's tranq posts and I've concluded he actually has decent odds at a partner with him. Whenever I read a Sloonei post that has tranq in it, I just can't help but think that it's a wolf trying to get his lurker wolf into the game. At times, he has taken a stance on him (which was defending him against Nanook's accusation) and what I later found out to be spicy was that, even though Sloonei mentioned not having any game experience with Tranq, he still spent most of his time trying to get him to play the game as if he had experience with Tranq and wanted to sort him - he even took a further step of mentioning him and asking him to come play - and when you take that into account, the "this is a wolf helping a wolf post" is just so out there. What would be the motivation to get Tranq, a lurker, in a 26 player list or how many it was, to post in order to sort him - even though you have no past meta with him - instead of tailing down your own reads?

Just think about it, when has a town ever expressed interest in wanting to hear from a lurker if they had no past experience with them? You only do if there's an underlying reason. Sure, you may do this in later stages of the game, but so early? There's a lot more other things to focus on.

Ok, that quote of the post makes sense now.

That just makes me more certain of Tranq tbh.

juliets if you're the monitor you have to listen to me because your town core's flawed. please re-evaluate on me.

tranq is scum.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:50 pm tedxtr.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:25 am
Juliets: Jules is a civ, fight me if you don't agree.

Is this supposed to mean anything to me? This is a Day 3 read or something.

TSP, how'd you jump from Juliets and possibly tranq to dead to rights on Speed and Epi?

I feel like I'm missing something obvious here but someone's going to have to spell it out for me

I'm not sure whether anything is going to sway you at this point, because you're clearly reaching for the read on me. Your case is saying I was wrong and that's why I'm scum, even though you agreed with me on 2 out of 3 reads. I am trying to wrap my head around whether it's scum level of "how is this fucker alive and why is he so hard to mislynch" or town level of "i'm so lost so that's why I'll sit on a Day 6 read and go nowhere with it, even if there's plenty of evidence there to clear him as not compatible with either team"

I don't understand how you can possibly see Tranq as town here. Yeah I've been wrong on G-Man, but look at all the evidence there is, look at Sloonei's interactions with tranq.

I also don't understand how you're more confident on him and not doubting me at all even though your perception of me is clearly skewed and you looking so care-free about it is disturbing on a scum level. You can't tell me that when you typed up your read on me you went "yeah, that's a scum, lock em up boys" when you say I was the one that re-kindled your passion for a G-Man lynch (so you also scum read him).

Juliets, my most recent game is one in which I got lynched Day one as scum. I could give it to you but I don't think it really helps you with anything, still want it?

Too many suspicious people around here, you could literally be with any of them.

I quite frankly have no idea, I just know you are scum with a flipped wolf off interactions.

What does Sloonei being killed on Night 7 have anything to do with my suspicion on you? Are you softing to yourself making the kill or what?

At this point I think you’re locked, you’d have to sell me the holy grail of mafia cases to lynch anyone other than you here.

He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

I don’t know why you can’t talk about Dizzy’s posts, juliets, the idea was that ghosts can’t talk anymore, not that we couldn’t talk about theirs

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:57 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:09 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:49 am People pushing a sig v mac narrative are deflecting from the real scum wagon that ought to be lynched is g-man

The deep wolf that’s not even a deep wolf

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:54 pm [VOTE: Mac ] aubergine

Night

If someone wants to CFD juliets i don’t mind tbh but the general feeling i get is that the game won’t continue in normal parametres unless sig and mac get lynched

So i will probably take my time to finish my projects and will be checking in more rarely until we’re over with this stalemate and yeah, feel free to mention me in posts cuz i’m probably only checking those for the next few days
ted, how do you get from the first post to the second post in four posts? I do not see any sense of progression here.
Pretty sure I posted that Mac got TMI’d by like 3 people so there’s no way he was town there. Sig tmi’d him, sprit tmi’d him, which was the crux of my argument for voting mac there and it’s why i was suspicious of people pushing for a sig lynch.

Last one was Dom that was acting weird around mac, he probably had some info from BTSC or something

[VOTE: Tranq ] aubergine

I think most “cases” on me are straight up fearmongering my slot and are reaching hard to look at me as scum. Juliet’s commentary comes to mind, there’s nothing there except for me being “misguided” whatever that meant, misguided on G-Man, misguided on Mac, misguided on someone else. By the way, she said my push was misguided on Mac when she has said that she was also town reading Mac. I don’t know what misguided means, because that seems like a word that better describes a town than a scum.

Look at interactions between Tranq and Sloonei and decide for yourselves. Jay has already put in the work for me and sloonei and conversely, sloonei and me. Also for me and mac I think. You have it right there. Michelle wanted a town!me case, there it was.

Also if you think I’d ever kill the only person who has meta games to back me up here you’re tripping hard. If I were scum I’d just kill Epi here.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:09 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:49 am People pushing a sig v mac narrative are deflecting from the real scum wagon that ought to be lynched is g-man

The deep wolf that’s not even a deep wolf

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:54 pm [VOTE: Mac ] aubergine

Night

If someone wants to CFD juliets i don’t mind tbh but the general feeling i get is that the game won’t continue in normal parametres unless sig and mac get lynched

So i will probably take my time to finish my projects and will be checking in more rarely until we’re over with this stalemate and yeah, feel free to mention me in posts cuz i’m probably only checking those for the next few days
ted, how do you get from the first post to the second post in four posts? I do not see any sense of progression here.

Pretty sure I posted that Mac got TMI’d by like 3 people so there’s no way he was town there. Sig tmi’d him, sprit tmi’d him, which was the crux of my argument for voting mac there and it’s why i was suspicious of people pushing for a sig lynch.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:16 pm Okay I can’t trust any of you potato heads but I’m pinning it as Jules Epi Me. If you are town and you are not in this group, please wave your hand wildly.

Hi i’m waving my hand aggressively

Read Jay’s posts, read Michelle’s posts

The only thing i was ever accused of was being the antimonitor and with him being dead i don’t see why i’m not being town read.

That kind of makes me drop my level of suspicion on juliets because I thought jay was master and my read on her was highly dependent on the events around the G-Man lynch day

A lot of people were saying juliets is obvtown but paranoia ran me over and I still have some issues with how she’s treating my slot but maybe that’s a bad read and shouldn’t read her for it

I still don’t know why Jay thought speed wouldn’t be mafia but then he said he’d fit well with both teams, I wish I was here to ask him about it but EoD is at 5 something AM for me

Great performance Jay

I think he’s right on the money with tranq

I will compile evidence from his interactions (Tranq’s) and sloonei’s some time later

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:10 am
idk if these question in cyan received answers. tedxtr

Dizzy asked a terrible question. That's why it wasn't answered.

Sig's TMI was town because I was town reading him and sprit's tmi was scum because i wasn't town reading him

Sloonei, apparently, was active, and scum. That's 2/2.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:09 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:02 am Juliets, I'm a stream of consciousness poster. I start from an idea, then go through posts. I may start with an opinion and then end up on another. There's no pre-filtering of my thoughts, and that's what makes me town!

If I were scum I'd have pre-filtered everything. I'm literally stating how I feel about something at that point, a lot of times, while writing and getting a stronger feel for someone (that was Tranq in that case) my other lean fades and my ideas kind of go like that

My brain is a fucking mess but you should be able to see the progression tho

And just the way you're even handling me right now, it seems like you are just forced to say something in order to fight it back. It's the same thing you and Master Radishes have done, you think I have an essay of a case sitting in my brain attic when it's just a mere gut feeling that can come and go, it's more based on how yesterday went and remembering there isn't nothing exceptionally townie to lock it. A lot of it is based strictly on suppositions and how the team is formed, I don't have anything concrete on you, it's just what it is, it's my feeling, you're a matter of PoE. I can't come up with an explanation on how the master team is formed without having you in it.

It's not something I can really describe, sorry, you can't really change my mind on it unless it's through other means, but never have I changed my mind when being approached directly by my scum reads. If you actually want to sort me, you have 350 posts at your disposal, the only time you appeared to be engaged in reading me was when I expressed a scum read on you and when Jay's getting pushed you suddenly switch on me cuz i don't fucking know why.

You just haven't obvtowned at all, you're kinda just there and if you were so obvtown and hard to push you would've honestly been dead by now, no?

I honestly haven't really remembered anything you posted except for the sig case or your questions at SVS which seemed really townie, but that was on Day 1. This is late game and I'd be a reckless fool not to even consider you being scum here. Your latest actions haven't really been reflective of a town lean here, it looks like you're just in cruise control.
ted, you have no idea what my obvtown self looks like if you think this. And if you're saying if I was obvtown I would be dead how does that not hold for every other civ who is alive? Anyone who knows my game knows I'm not on cruise control.

Well we are lynching what appears to be one of the active scums right now, why aren't you one?

Like you are literally voting for someone that you think is scum, no? It's Jay and he's active, you should have already answered the question yourself.

This is exactly what a cruise control looks like, you're avoiding taking definitive stances and quite frankly look like you're trying to sway the thread into whatever direction you desire. You aren't freaked out at all. I have no idea who's who, it feels a lot more like taking shots in the dark right now but at least I'm putting myself out there.

Shit, even you have no scum reads right now. Your play thus far has been lack luster and you aren't taking any stances, wondering why. And now just through your posturing I can tell you are looking for reasons to scum lean me, YOU HAVE NOT READ A SINGLE POST OF MINE AND HAVE NO READ ON ME.

You aren't taking any stances.

I've already mentioned that I was kept as mislynch bait and when you needed to lynch me the most, you just went ahead and voted me without a reason, and now all of a sudden we get into Day 8 and you having no opinion on me whatsoever.

And you're telling me I should be town reading you here?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:37 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:21 am @juliets do you understand why some folks have had suspicions of you?
It depends on their reason. I will answer this but I want to hear answers to the questions I asked ted first about why he reads me as scum.

It's exactly posts like these ones, my alignment is NOT DEPENDENT ON HOW I AM READING YOU. If you truly wanted to analyse my posts you would've done so by now, you went from town because everyone town read me day one, then didn't give a shit about me and all of a sudden you and sloonei push me when Jay's getting heat.

You've been deflecting from calling me anything since Day One and it's only when I push you that you actually present a read to me, and even then you make it seem like I'm the scum that's pushing you for even coming close to believe you're not genuine at all.

If you consider yourself so town that if anyone even comes close to considering you after my PoE essentially got shattered to pieces, how come you aren't god damn dead???

Juliets, I'm a stream of consciousness poster. I start from an idea, then go through posts. I may start with an opinion and then end up on another. There's no pre-filtering of my thoughts, and that's what makes me town!

If I were scum I'd have pre-filtered everything. I'm literally stating how I feel about something at that point, a lot of times, while writing and getting a stronger feel for someone (that was Tranq in that case) my other lean fades and my ideas kind of go like that

My brain is a fucking mess but you should be able to see the progression tho

And just the way you're even handling me right now, it seems like you are just forced to say something in order to fight it back. It's the same thing you and Master Radishes have done, you think I have an essay of a case sitting in my brain attic when it's just a mere gut feeling that can come and go, it's more based on how yesterday went and remembering there isn't nothing exceptionally townie to lock it. A lot of it is based strictly on suppositions and how the team is formed, I don't have anything concrete on you, it's just what it is, it's my feeling, you're a matter of PoE. I can't come up with an explanation on how the master team is formed without having you in it.

It's not something I can really describe, sorry, you can't really change my mind on it unless it's through other means, but never have I changed my mind when being approached directly by my scum reads. If you actually want to sort me, you have 350 posts at your disposal, the only time you appeared to be engaged in reading me was when I expressed a scum read on you and when Jay's getting pushed you suddenly switch on me cuz i don't fucking know why.

You just haven't obvtowned at all, you're kinda just there and if you were so obvtown and hard to push you would've honestly been dead by now, no?

I honestly haven't really remembered anything you posted except for the sig case or your questions at SVS which seemed really townie, but that was on Day 1. This is late game and I'd be a reckless fool not to even consider you being scum here. Your latest actions haven't really been reflective of a town lean here, it looks like you're just in cruise control.

I think I've changed my mind on speed actually, he has high AM equity, not wolf equity. Tranq fits that spot better by a larger margin.

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