The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:45 am TL, if Okosan flips town and TH will somehow die and flip red, I’m totally holding this day phase against you if you don’t move the vote on TH

Cooo! (When Okosan gets lynched the game probably just ends)

Coooooo? (Oh yeah another reason being LC's reasoning for the Jack lynch was actual trash.)

Cooooooooo! (Concise and without any of the real supporting details it's
1) LC early game was essentially only ever pushing paranoia and sus, but with no real game solving
2) LC's susses and actions don't match up for yesterday
3) Not a single person has pushed LC besides Okosan, so from Okosan's perspective every single mafia is just alright town reading him
4) Probably some other minor reasons Okosan has forgotten about at this point with how many other things he hasn't liked)

Cooooo! (Or bunch up on Okosan and end the game quicker. Either one is fine tbh)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:22 pm Lynch Turnip Head

Cooo! (Kay. If you guys aren't going to lynch obvious scum at least follow the confirmed that way scum doesn't just bunch up together and insta win)

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

*Coo (*some incorrect read of someone else)

Coo! (Man Okosan apparently cannot type right now)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:36 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:18 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:10 pm COO! COO! (Also as a side note Okosan knows you guys don't know him so you'd have no way to know, but it's funny you think this is how Okosan plays as mafia )
This is what I was saying to you and tedxtr earlier

What would be different if you were a bad bird?
Coooooo! (Hmm it's hard to descibe but in general Okosan feels he's much more likely to go with the flow and be more natural overall as town. If he finds a scum read day to day or thinks of something that makes sense now but didn't make sense earlier, or heck even makes Okosan look more sus, he'll just say it. It's better to get reads and reactions out there than it is to keep the thoughts to himself)

COO! (As scum Okosan is much more thoughtful about what he says and is extremely analytical about the whole situation in something like BTSC. Okosan will plan out days ahead for who needs to be pushed, what order, and think about how that makes him and others look. Honestly Okosan feels like he'll make more sense and be more consistent in general)
This bottom paragraph kinda describes the hunch that I have about you being bad. I can see that style being reflected in your play here.

Cooooooooo! (Question assuming Okosan is scum how do you read LC? As town or mafia? Because the only way Okosan would be pushing this hard on LC as scum is if he was bussing this entire time. Okosan has been the only voice that's pushed LC and has been called out for it. As scum Okosan if LC was town Okosan maybe would've tried pushing for a day or two at max, and would've eased up on it way earlier.)

COOO! (Though to be honest in the first place Okosan probably would've just never pushed LC in the first place because he would've been going directly against most people's read lists. Why not just push some incorrect of someone else instead to make them look worse?)

Cooooo! Coooo! (Okosan can link some games if people are actually interested in looking but that seems like a lot of work that nobody is going to do or care about)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:18 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:10 pm COO! COO! (Also as a side note Okosan knows you guys don't know him so you'd have no way to know, but it's funny you think this is how Okosan plays as mafia )
This is what I was saying to you and tedxtr earlier

What would be different if you were a bad bird?

Coooooo! (Hmm it's hard to descibe but in general Okosan feels he's much more likely to go with the flow and be more natural overall as town. If he finds a scum read day to day or thinks of something that makes sense now but didn't make sense earlier, or heck even makes Okosan look more sus, he'll just say it. It's better to get reads and reactions out there than it is to keep the thoughts to himself)

COO! (As scum Okosan is much more thoughtful about what he says and is extremely analytical about the whole situation in something like BTSC. Okosan will plan out days ahead for who needs to be pushed, what order, and think about how that makes him and others look. Honestly Okosan feels like he'll make more sense and be more consistent in general)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:11 pm I have to say I kinda dig the things you're saying, it's very convincing stuff. If you're bad, then I like your style.

I think you're being fatalistic. Emphasis on the fatal.

Our lynches aren't predestined, I differ from you in this belief. Games can go a lot of ways, and unexpected things happen.

Coooooooooo! (Maybe it's a difference of opinions, but with just about every person in this game sussing Okosan or "not being opposed" to an Okosan lynch, Okosan is nearly certain scum never kills him. Scum will then continue to push Okosan over and over until some town out there falls for it and votes for Okosan. The only way Okosan can really see that stopping is for him to prove himself correct)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:09 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:00 pm COO! (Sloonei if you think Okosan is scum town is going to mislynch him at some point. If literally any of TH, sig, Sabie, Ted, or LC is town Okosan is getting lynched. Considering it's just about a mathematical probability that at least one is town this game is screwed)
You said that I should decide the lynch and I gave this warning.

Coooooo! (Yeah it's still screwed for the future tbh. It's just screwed earlier if you think Okosan's scum)

COO! COO! (Also as a side note Okosan knows you guys don't know him so you'd have no way to know, but it's funny you think this is how Okosan plays as mafia

)

Coooooo! (Just being realistic)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:04 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:36 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm Cooo! (Guys do not split the votes. This is essentially Lylo/Mylo of some sort so at the absolute most you can have 2 wagons. If you make more you're literally just letting scum control the vote. Literally the votes today are either LC or Okosan unless you think super strongly someone else is scum)
If you're town, then stop this talk.
Cooo! Coooo! (Ah yes as Town it's infinitely more helpful to make three or more wagons when there's almost certainly at least 3 scum left alive vs. 5 town. That way scum can all just hop on one person, mislynch them, and most likely win tomorrow. You smart)
I meant the you-or-me talk. If we're both Town, then we could instead lynch a baddie, and I do think that would be smart.

I don't think either of our lynches are inevitable, as you do. Certainly not mine, at least.

Coo! (Neither of us ever die this game through a kill in the night. And this will always be an argument. Okosan doesn't see how you think this doesn't end in a lynch between one of us at some point

Whether that's today or on a future day)

COOOOO! (Okosa literally doesn't care if people follow Okosan or not. Town has two choices here. Preferably you'd lynch one of LC or Okosan because if you don't it's going to be the exact same thing tomorrow. But if you decide NOT to do that then town needs to pick someone together. Otherwise scum will literally just win based off of you guys splitting.)

Coo! (That being said, Okosan is literally only voting for LC as a scum candidate unless Okosan literally has to vote for someone else (either self preservation or town gets together and decides to lynch someone else and you need everyone's vote) )

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:00 pm COO! (Sloonei if you think Okosan is scum town is going to mislynch him at some point. If literally any of TH, sig, Sabie, Ted, or LC is town Okosan is getting lynched. Considering it's just about a mathematical probability that at least one is town this game is screwed)

COOO! (*Mathematical certainty)

COO! (Sloonei if you think Okosan is scum town is going to mislynch him at some point. If literally any of TH, sig, Sabie, Ted, or LC is town Okosan is getting lynched. Considering it's just about a mathematical probability that at least one is town this game is screwed)

Coooo! (Next time Okosan will remember it's apparently a scum thing to do when you try to help direct town to lynch for the same person in Lylo/Mylo)

Cooo! ('Kay)

[VOTE: Okosan] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:53 pm I’m kinda starting to feel it. In a game where everyone is shrugging and kicking dirt, the pigeon has an angle.

Coooo! (Starting to feel what exactly?)

Cooooooo! (Barring a really smart vote manipulation action or a secret at least)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:44 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:36 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm Cooo! (Guys do not split the votes. This is essentially Lylo/Mylo of some sort so at the absolute most you can have 2 wagons. If you make more you're literally just letting scum control the vote. Literally the votes today are either LC or Okosan unless you think super strongly someone else is scum)

COOOO! (Honestly Sloonei should probably just be deciding who dies here. That way we know no scum are trying to manipulate anything)
Sloonei
I am unclear what you want from me. My guess is as good as any. I don't think I'm an authority here, I'm just a voice that you can trust to not be lying. I have little confidence that my guess would be correct.
Coo! (Okosan's saying you should probably be the person to say who gets lynched today because of the fact that we know you won't be lying about who you sus. It'll also give town direction when they're already spreading their votes all over the place which is actually how scum easily wins this game today)
And what if I want to lynch you?

Coo! (Then get it over with because we already lost)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:37 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:26 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:51 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:54 pm Like I said, this line of thinking is not going to lead to a good conclusion. My playstyle here is pretty average for me. I'm not usually a strong detective, I'm more of a gut player. My gut says that your case against me is based on contrived conclusions, not logically solid ones, and that it's because you are bad.
Cooooo! (RIP your gut feelings then)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:54 pm And what's this talk about you being the "easy lynch"? Has anyone else even suspected you lately? You have a lot of votes today? Yesterday? This appeal to emotion doesn't help you in my eyes.
Coo! Coooo! (Uh people have literally been throwing around the idea of Okosan being scum the entire game but no one's decided to push it too hard besides Ted. What are you even talking about that Okosan isn't an easy lynch? Plus if Ted is town the game is essentially lost already anyways barring some secret or vote power situation. Ted WILL lynch Okosan at some point because he refuses to reevaluate. Scum is going to push Okosan eventually and keep Ted alive just for that)

Cooooo! (If Ted is scum we still have a chance, but Okosan doesn't even want to look at Ted right now because you've been mega scum)
Maybe it's just me having missed something in the game so far but this post makes no sense to me.
COO! COOO! (Ted has been tunneling on Okosan being scum for about 70% of the game based on a early read he won't change for some reason. So if Ted is town we already lost because scum will never kill him and Ted will 1000% lynch Okosan at some point)
Do you think ted is bad?

COO! COOOO! (Honestly Okosan doesn't know and doesn't even care today. Okosan's fairly sure he would literally always lynch LC before Ted unless Ted literally slips so he might as well deal with that first)

Cooooo! (And the reason the vote is either Okosan or LC is because this will continue to be a thing day after day until the game ends. You might as well lynch one of us now instead of saving the decision for days from now)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:36 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm Cooo! (Guys do not split the votes. This is essentially Lylo/Mylo of some sort so at the absolute most you can have 2 wagons. If you make more you're literally just letting scum control the vote. Literally the votes today are either LC or Okosan unless you think super strongly someone else is scum)
If you're town, then stop this talk.

Cooo! Coooo! (Ah yes as Town it's infinitely more helpful to make three or more wagons when there's almost certainly at least 3 scum left alive vs. 5 town. That way scum can all just hop on one person, mislynch them, and most likely win tomorrow. You smart)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:36 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm Cooo! (Guys do not split the votes. This is essentially Lylo/Mylo of some sort so at the absolute most you can have 2 wagons. If you make more you're literally just letting scum control the vote. Literally the votes today are either LC or Okosan unless you think super strongly someone else is scum)

COOOO! (Honestly Sloonei should probably just be deciding who dies here. That way we know no scum are trying to manipulate anything)
Sloonei
I am unclear what you want from me. My guess is as good as any. I don't think I'm an authority here, I'm just a voice that you can trust to not be lying. I have little confidence that my guess would be correct.

Coo! (Okosan's saying you should probably be the person to say who gets lynched today because of the fact that we know you won't be lying about who you sus. It'll also give town direction when they're already spreading their votes all over the place which is actually how scum easily wins this game today)

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm Cooo! (Guys do not split the votes. This is essentially Lylo/Mylo of some sort so at the absolute most you can have 2 wagons. If you make more you're literally just letting scum control the vote. Literally the votes today are either LC or Okosan unless you think super strongly someone else is scum)

COOOO! (Honestly Sloonei should probably just be deciding who dies here. That way we know no scum are trying to manipulate anything)

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Cooo! (Guys do not split the votes. This is essentially Lylo/Mylo of some sort so at the absolute most you can have 2 wagons. If you make more you're literally just letting scum control the vote. Literally the votes today are either LC or Okosan unless you think super strongly someone else is scum)

COOOO! (Honestly Sloonei should probably just be deciding who dies here. That way we know no scum are trying to manipulate anything)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:43 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:35 pm To me right now okason seems the most sketchy his most recent posts just seem like he's trying to manipulate things in certain directions but its not really making sense. I'm not sure I get his case on long con and his more recent posts don't feel genuine to me.
I've seen a couple people make the point that Okosan's posts look manipulative. But what is the goal of his manipulation? If he's steering the thread, what is he steering it towards?
My lynch.
Why is it manipulation and not your standard civilian pushing for a lynch?
It doesn't feel like a genuine push to me. It didn't seem to be based on much and yet he is very strongly pushing it. The way he talks about his thoughts on ted but continues to want to push the LC lynch I just thought it was weird.

COOOO! ("Not Based on much" Okosan has literally been talking about Long Con has looked scummy from day... 3? If you ISO him you can see various posts about it. Plus he's A) willing to explain any questions you have about it. and B) pretty sure Okosan has articulated his thoughts on why Long Con is scummy pretty well in the first place. Especially today when Okosan pointed out how LC's actions make no sense)

Coooooooo! (Also as a secondary thing Okosan has been the ONLY person to push LC all game. That means from Okosan's perspective NO scum have pushed LC. And LC isn't billboard town enough to deserve never getting pushed or killed throughout this game)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:51 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:54 pm Like I said, this line of thinking is not going to lead to a good conclusion. My playstyle here is pretty average for me. I'm not usually a strong detective, I'm more of a gut player. My gut says that your case against me is based on contrived conclusions, not logically solid ones, and that it's because you are bad.
Cooooo! (RIP your gut feelings then)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:54 pm And what's this talk about you being the "easy lynch"? Has anyone else even suspected you lately? You have a lot of votes today? Yesterday? This appeal to emotion doesn't help you in my eyes.
Coo! Coooo! (Uh people have literally been throwing around the idea of Okosan being scum the entire game but no one's decided to push it too hard besides Ted. What are you even talking about that Okosan isn't an easy lynch? Plus if Ted is town the game is essentially lost already anyways barring some secret or vote power situation. Ted WILL lynch Okosan at some point because he refuses to reevaluate. Scum is going to push Okosan eventually and keep Ted alive just for that)

Cooooo! (If Ted is scum we still have a chance, but Okosan doesn't even want to look at Ted right now because you've been mega scum)
Maybe it's just me having missed something in the game so far but this post makes no sense to me.

COO! COOO! (Ted has been tunneling on Okosan being scum for about 70% of the game based on a early read he won't change for some reason. So if Ted is town we already lost because scum will never kill him and Ted will 1000% lynch Okosan at some point)

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:07 pm Well I would say that okosan has been attempting to steer the thread most game, like he's trying us how to think. Idk that this makes him bad necessarily but it is manipulative. My working theory is that he was recruited around night 2 before a brief lull in participation, and that after going quiet he's been trying to mimic his playstyle from earlier in the game, but with limited success imo cuz I've been getting not great vibes lately.

Cooooo! (Ah yes how dare Okosan try to steer the game with his reads. He should just sit there and never contribute instead got it.

And hmm maybe his lull in participation was because Okosan was literally in another mafia game at the time and also busy irl? But nah he's just scum right?)

COOOOO! (Heck TH just vote for Okosan with literally no explanation or no prior sus (that Okosan at least remembers off the top of his head) and nobirdie has even questioned it)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:04 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:58 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:45 pm [VOTE: Okosan] aubergine
Coooooo! (Nice. First you sneak a vote on TSP and then when you realize no one is following your bad reasoning from yesterday you gave up and are pushing the easy wagon instead. Solid performance)
Again, how are you "the easy wagon"?? You've had ONE other vote, from ted, on Day 2. Who else is suspecting you?

Cooooo! (At least half this game is excluding Okosan as town. You're crazy if you don't think Okosan is an easy push)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:54 pm Like I said, this line of thinking is not going to lead to a good conclusion. My playstyle here is pretty average for me. I'm not usually a strong detective, I'm more of a gut player. My gut says that your case against me is based on contrived conclusions, not logically solid ones, and that it's because you are bad.

Cooooo! (RIP your gut feelings then)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:54 pm And what's this talk about you being the "easy lynch"? Has anyone else even suspected you lately? You have a lot of votes today? Yesterday? This appeal to emotion doesn't help you in my eyes.

Coo! Coooo! (Uh people have literally been throwing around the idea of Okosan being scum the entire game but no one's decided to push it too hard besides Ted. What are you even talking about that Okosan isn't an easy lynch? Plus if Ted is town the game is essentially lost already anyways barring some secret or vote power situation. Ted WILL lynch Okosan at some point because he refuses to reevaluate. Scum is going to push Okosan eventually and keep Ted alive just for that)

Cooooo! (If Ted is scum we still have a chance, but Okosan doesn't even want to look at Ted right now because you've been mega scum)

COOOO! COO! (And Ted there's no reason to vote for Sig today. Today is very liable Lylo/Mylo so there should only be 2 wagons going otherwise the votes will get too split. Scum is obviously going to push an Okosan lynch and Okosan's just about positive that LC is scum. The only real way Okosan will switch is sef pres at this point. Which btw notice how Long Con's only sus is Okosan and LC hasn't even voted yet for some reason. Probably didn't want to look too eager or OMGUS-y)

Cooo! (Basically at least do this correctly and if you're town mislynch Okosan for the loss already because Okosan knows you're not going to reconsider your reads from day 2)

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:45 pm [VOTE: Okosan] aubergine

Coooooo! (Nice. First you sneak a vote on TSP and then when you realize no one is following your bad reasoning from yesterday you gave up and are pushing the easy wagon instead. Solid performance)

*Coo (lessen)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:07 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:21 am Cooooooooo! (Btw there was a correct answer to the question Okosan was asking. If you sussed people on the counterwagon on TSP it would've looked better for you also. Sussing what is essentially just Okosan isn't the correct answer there)
Well I don't have the brain of a pigeon so I guess our minds work differently. Claiming that there's a correct answer is bull.

Coooo? (Sorry let Okosan rephrase. There were a variety of answers that would work there to lesson Okosan's susicion of you as what you claim your susses are would line up with your actions in thread. Saying your only main sus is Okosan makes no sense with how you voted and acted last day phase)

Cooooooooo! (Btw there was a correct answer to the question Okosan was asking. If you sussed people on the counterwagon on TSP it would've looked better for you also. Sussing what is essentially just Okosan isn't the correct answer there)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:13 am
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:11 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:02 pm I'll add my [VOTE: rej] aubergine because vote fuckery is clearly out there.
COO! COOOO! (In fact this post implies that you also sussed Rej, when apparently your other sus Okosan has been pushing Rej for multiple days now? How does that add up?)
You're not going to arrive at any tangible conclusion here besides some preordained tunnel-confirmation.

Coooo! (What are you talking about? Okosan checked this post to see if you had some valid reasons for sussing Rej more than Okosan (because that's what voting Rej and not going against Okosan means btw) but nope you're just worried about the votes getting messed up. If you actually given a post where you sussed Rej hard it would've looked more feasible for this to be your actual position)

COOOO! (The point being if Okosan was in your position and was town, and only had two scum reads of Okosan and Rej, Okosan would start to think it was a little weird that one of his scum reads have been pushing the other for at least half the game. On top of that Okosan would then actually be trying to push either of his scum reads early instead of just sitting around and sheeping one at the last second. Your words and sus just don't add up with your actions)

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:02 pm I'll add my [VOTE: rej] aubergine because vote fuckery is clearly out there.

COO! COOOO! (In fact this post implies that you also sussed Rej, when apparently your other sus Okosan has been pushing Rej for multiple days now? How does that add up?)

COO! (Heck you haven't even been pushing either of Okosan or Ted)

Cooooooo! (Sorry green, not blue here)

Coo! (Or were you just alright with Rej getting lynched because when he flips blue it looks worse and you can push Okosan easier?)

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:04 am I don't have any other strong suspicions. tedxtr would be the other lynch I'd like to see.

Cooooo! (So even though you sus Okosan the most, you were completely alright with Rej getting lynched yesterday and did nothing to try to sway the wagon away from where your only sus was pushing? Shouldn't that have raised alarm bells for you? And shouldn't you have at least voted the counter wagon instead of just sheeping Rej at the very end?)

COO! (Also going to be honest Turnip Head lowkey sus for continuing to tunnel on TSP. First they have no reasons besides "he may have been converted" that the provided yesterday (Okosan doesn't even see this really tbh), and Okosan's fairly sure TSP is never getting lynched today anyways tbh)

Coooooooo! (Alright is there any other read you have sus wise or just Okosan? And is the sus on Okosan just OMGUS or do you have actual reasons / what are the reasons? (This second question doesn't have to do with anything Okosan's just curious) )

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:56 am Ok, I suspect Okosan.

Coooooo! Cooo! (Ah yes it makes sense to suspect Okosan because he wants to check in on your reads to check something. If you answer the question it'll make a lot more sense trust Okosan)

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