The Syndicate

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:53 pm I'm watching a show and there's a parrot.

How does the parrot like know how to imitate human voices

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:38 pm wolves need every ML they can get, and nanook is never really someone who's not open for ML imo. I see him pushed late game a lot. I think the only reason he dies is because he's not going to be an easy ML and that's prob because HK is going to flip wolf before wolves think they can/want to get him over. I don't even think this needs like, "is it wifom or not" consideration because if it's wifom then Nanook is just an available ML later and you don't wifom that off the table. That's what I'm thinking rn

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:26 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:21 pm i mean, hk, i really wished we just resolved u d3

i felt so bad after i saw the jack flip

i acknowledge that because of my misplay i will need to be resolved as well since me alive is -ev, and i really dont have the energy to convince people, for a while, that i'm town, to escape death, before just getting suspected again

so we go down together and then they can start doing the serious wolfhunting, since honestly i think finding the last wolf is gonna be hard, or the last two if you arent wolf - since they're both very deep

Should have been the D1. Should have been the D2 (if you want to protect thread health. We got Mac so that's good and it's fine that I didn't go). Should have been the D3 but instead you all killed Obvs Town Jack.

Now, I am all out of fucks and it's too late to "resolve" the D1 wagons. If you think I am a wolf fine, vote for me. If your argument is "we really need to resolve HK" let me remind you that we're currently at 9 alive, 7-2
killing me today is 6-2, NK is 5-2. That means you need to hit a wolf tomorrow, and I don't think that you will, or D5 is lylo and I'm betting big on town losing this game.

You had your chance to "resolve", now you have to hunt a wolf and I'm not it and haven't been since basically the middle of D1. Nanook was tunneled and frankly bad at reading. Don't also be bad at reading.

Jack wasn't obvious town lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:25 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:23 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:22 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:21 pm i mean, hk, i really wished we just resolved u d3

i felt so bad after i saw the jack flip

i acknowledge that because of my misplay i will need to be resolved as well since me alive is -ev, and i really dont have the energy to convince people, for a while, that i'm town, to escape death, before just getting suspected again

so we go down together and then they can start doing the serious wolfhunting, since honestly i think finding the last wolf is gonna be hard, or the last two if you arent wolf - since they're both very deep

voting a town doesn't mean you have to die lol

?

no one's going to townread me

you and santy are probs like the only ones who will

i personally think i should be resolved

idk, just think saying you being alive is -ev is bad coming into where we are. Town dying is always bad it literally doesn't matter who it is. And I don't think you need to die

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:23 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:21 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:18 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:14 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:08 pm i hate this game and im vote parking on hk

serious question:
do you really, really really think I kill Achro AND Nanook in this game?

Achro has seen my wolf game, he found me in ONE post in our champs qualifier. ONE post. It took literally everything I had to keep him off my back on D1 and then I killed him N1.
Nanook has seen my wolf game, was consistently on me all game long, did NOT have the thread pull to actually get me over the line. Why do I kill him and solidify that read?

I keep him alive, keep him impotent, keep him focused on me, not looking for a partner, not allowing others to go through his posts looking for my partners.

It never ever makes sense for me to be a wolf just by NKA

and obviously snow does that nk instead

why would he not?
like ok, nanook obvs is on the "hk is a wolf train" so killing him makes me the default chop yeah? Risiinq is just doing what a wolf needs to do here. He's got a partner left in the game, I'm an easy chop to get and can't be taken much further into the game than today/tomorrow according to town (which we lost that chance yesterday chopping jack when he was obvs town)

Do I really need to tell you why someone who is probably going to be in contention with you today wouldn't kill a person who's vote was literally always on you and never moving off

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:21 pm i mean, hk, i really wished we just resolved u d3

i felt so bad after i saw the jack flip

i acknowledge that because of my misplay i will need to be resolved as well since me alive is -ev, and i really dont have the energy to convince people, for a while, that i'm town, to escape death, before just getting suspected again

so we go down together and then they can start doing the serious wolfhunting, since honestly i think finding the last wolf is gonna be hard, or the last two if you arent wolf - since they're both very deep

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:18 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:14 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:08 pm i hate this game and im vote parking on hk

serious question:
do you really, really really think I kill Achro AND Nanook in this game?

Achro has seen my wolf game, he found me in ONE post in our champs qualifier. ONE post. It took literally everything I had to keep him off my back on D1 and then I killed him N1.
Nanook has seen my wolf game, was consistently on me all game long, did NOT have the thread pull to actually get me over the line. Why do I kill him and solidify that read?

I keep him alive, keep him impotent, keep him focused on me, not looking for a partner, not allowing others to go through his posts looking for my partners.

It never ever makes sense for me to be a wolf just by NKA

and obviously snow does that nk instead

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:16 pm ok well who do u expect me to vote

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:08 pm i hate this game and im vote parking on hk

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:25 pm The shift away from the gimmick doesn't move the needle for me, he has incentive to do so as either alignment

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:23 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:49 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:05 pm I miss queek

the good thing about breaking character is now maybe this jack wagon goes away.
I'll die for jack tbat's a good trade

Sorry im not allowed to talk to you

I thought we just couldn't talk about us, but that we could talk about others.
I think you town read Jack right? If I missed something I'm sorry.

If you do town read him and he does flip and he is town do you think his wagon is wolf driven or just town wilding?

Hes in my poe

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:49 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:05 pm I miss queek

the good thing about breaking character is now maybe this jack wagon goes away.
I'll die for jack tbat's a good trade

Sorry im not allowed to talk to you

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:31 pm I do not and don't think I ever will understand why everyone in this game is exclaiming that their pushes and shade on Macs slot makes them town.

I know a Mac that had us pushing him day 1 as wolf team. A Mac that told us to purposely bus the fuck out of him and despite us doing that he never went over.

Mac felt weird this game and he didn't talk his way out of it like he did in that game he didn't go over D1 he was an easy bus target he still almost talked his way out of it even though he felt weirdly off got me to belive it. Everyone exclaiming their innocence from his flip or demanding his pelt just feels weird to me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:05 pm I miss queek

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:55 am So like legit? Fuck that. I'll do my best for certain values of best but I'm not gonna play another mountainous game where many players suspect me for pretty surface level reasons and I work my tail off to find the wolves and get no results and no credit for it. That was awful the first time.

LOL LETS GOOOOO NO GIMMICK POST

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:10 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:41 pm

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:51 pm

Let's talk about hypotheticals:

Jack w then who

Jack V then who

Rising w then who

Rising V then who

Nook w then who

Nook V then who

Lily w then who

Lily V then who

Esooa w then who

Esooa V then who

Neon w then who

Neon V then who

Santy w then who

Santy V then who

Me w then who

Me V then who

Wilgz w then who

Wgz V then tho

(I think that's everyone)

I'll answer these to the best of my abilities but frankly I haven't paid nearly enough attention to anything to give you real actionable information.

First the easy ones, these people are always town for me:
sabi
esooa

I don't think anyone approaches this game the way either of you have, have had the conversations you've had, and the pushes that you've both made if either of you are a wolf. Some of it is Mac spew/engagement, some of it is Achro engagement, and some of it is just trying your damnedest to solve the game. If either of you are a wolf then amazingly done and I bow to your greatness. But you're not, you're both town.

Wigly can never be paired with Macdougall, it's just not possible. He was suspicious of Mac early on D1, continued that into D2. There's no reason for WIgly to bus Mac of all team mates that early. Maybe a third mate sure, but you've got to know that Mac is going to draw a lot of attention anyways, so credit is minimal if you are on him when he goes over, and if you are aiding in drawing that attention, as I believe wigly was, you're doing your team a disservice. I know it's misplay mafia but still, that's a really really bad one.
I also find Wiglys consistent tunneling on Neon semi-endearing. Not because it's cute and fluffy but because Wigly returns there in times of stress in the thread, continues to remind us that Wigly wolf reads Neon, and overall seems like if Wigly were wolfing here he'd be doing more than just reminders of the read, he'd be laying out reasoning why the wolf exists.

I also like his engagement with Achro during the Mac push


Next tier of ease:
Santy I think has really turned it around over the last couple of IRL days. I disliked their posting early in the game and middle of D2 but the rest of D2 and into today they're showing the type of solving action that I saw displayed in my qualifier this year. Basically when santy got off the shitpost train and hopped onto the build wall cases train is when it shifted for me. Santy is trying to engage multiple people on multiple fronts, none of which are advancing what I would call a wolf agenda. There's too many irons in the fire for Santy to keep track of if they were trying to wolf the game.

Next tier:
nanook I've said before I think nanook believes in his HK is a wolf push. It's gone on too long for it to be taking seriously by literally anyone who isn't him. He doubled down when I explained to him why it's not a strict sort by postcount to find wolf HK, I also explained how I'm never keeping up with the pace of this game in a way that doesn't trigger a "relative post count tell" regardless of my alignment. He didn't care, doubled down. I can't understand how nanook as a wolf does that because if he catches the car and gets me chopped and I flip town his only response can be "I thought I was right" and after being shown how he's not right and I can't (read also as won't) keep up with 300+ posts from 3 people on D1 his argument falls apart and then he's got to play defense there.
I also don't think he pairs with Mac very well. This is probably the weakest part of the read because nanook is known for doing his own thing regardless of what his team mates have going on but I believe in it.

I know I'm not answering the way you want me to, I can't really think of how to build worlds like that, it's not a way my brain works very well. Instead what I can do is give the reasons why I believe players alignments are the way they are, and then go from there to form a POE.

Which brings me to the POE section.

In very little order:
Lily
Risiinq
Jack
Neon

They're here because I have less reason to town read them than I do the above list. If I have some time later I'll pull reasons why I think they can be a wolf paired with mac but for now I don't have the capacity to do so, sorry.

OK I like this


When you have time can you order the poe from most or least likely scum and the partner analysis.

Thank you for this hk

ordered poe from least to most:
jack
lily
neon
risiinq

I can give you the partner analysis after dinner/bed time

im MOST likely now??? since when, and why aren't you voting me then???

u townread me for most of this game.

Yeah, till today, when I pressed you on the nanook/hk dichotomy and your answer was far from satisfactory.

there is NO way that makes me top wolf suddenly

i wasn't even top wolf like 5 hours ago when someone else asked

bruhhh

and why arent you voting me then

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:41 pm

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:51 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:27 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:14 pm

I care. Ignore Nook for the rest of the day. Let's just talk.

sure, what would you like to talk about?

Let's talk about hypotheticals:

Jack w then who

Jack V then who

Rising w then who

Rising V then who

Nook w then who

Nook V then who

Lily w then who

Lily V then who

Esooa w then who

Esooa V then who

Neon w then who

Neon V then who

Santy w then who

Santy V then who

Me w then who

Me V then who

Wilgz w then who

Wgz V then tho

(I think that's everyone)

I'll answer these to the best of my abilities but frankly I haven't paid nearly enough attention to anything to give you real actionable information.

First the easy ones, these people are always town for me:
sabi
esooa

I don't think anyone approaches this game the way either of you have, have had the conversations you've had, and the pushes that you've both made if either of you are a wolf. Some of it is Mac spew/engagement, some of it is Achro engagement, and some of it is just trying your damnedest to solve the game. If either of you are a wolf then amazingly done and I bow to your greatness. But you're not, you're both town.

Wigly can never be paired with Macdougall, it's just not possible. He was suspicious of Mac early on D1, continued that into D2. There's no reason for WIgly to bus Mac of all team mates that early. Maybe a third mate sure, but you've got to know that Mac is going to draw a lot of attention anyways, so credit is minimal if you are on him when he goes over, and if you are aiding in drawing that attention, as I believe wigly was, you're doing your team a disservice. I know it's misplay mafia but still, that's a really really bad one.
I also find Wiglys consistent tunneling on Neon semi-endearing. Not because it's cute and fluffy but because Wigly returns there in times of stress in the thread, continues to remind us that Wigly wolf reads Neon, and overall seems like if Wigly were wolfing here he'd be doing more than just reminders of the read, he'd be laying out reasoning why the wolf exists.

I also like his engagement with Achro during the Mac push


Next tier of ease:
Santy I think has really turned it around over the last couple of IRL days. I disliked their posting early in the game and middle of D2 but the rest of D2 and into today they're showing the type of solving action that I saw displayed in my qualifier this year. Basically when santy got off the shitpost train and hopped onto the build wall cases train is when it shifted for me. Santy is trying to engage multiple people on multiple fronts, none of which are advancing what I would call a wolf agenda. There's too many irons in the fire for Santy to keep track of if they were trying to wolf the game.

Next tier:
nanook I've said before I think nanook believes in his HK is a wolf push. It's gone on too long for it to be taking seriously by literally anyone who isn't him. He doubled down when I explained to him why it's not a strict sort by postcount to find wolf HK, I also explained how I'm never keeping up with the pace of this game in a way that doesn't trigger a "relative post count tell" regardless of my alignment. He didn't care, doubled down. I can't understand how nanook as a wolf does that because if he catches the car and gets me chopped and I flip town his only response can be "I thought I was right" and after being shown how he's not right and I can't (read also as won't) keep up with 300+ posts from 3 people on D1 his argument falls apart and then he's got to play defense there.
I also don't think he pairs with Mac very well. This is probably the weakest part of the read because nanook is known for doing his own thing regardless of what his team mates have going on but I believe in it.

I know I'm not answering the way you want me to, I can't really think of how to build worlds like that, it's not a way my brain works very well. Instead what I can do is give the reasons why I believe players alignments are the way they are, and then go from there to form a POE.

Which brings me to the POE section.

In very little order:
Lily
Risiinq
Jack
Neon

They're here because I have less reason to town read them than I do the above list. If I have some time later I'll pull reasons why I think they can be a wolf paired with mac but for now I don't have the capacity to do so, sorry.

OK I like this


When you have time can you order the poe from most or least likely scum and the partner analysis.

Thank you for this hk

ordered poe from least to most:
jack
lily
neon
risiinq

I can give you the partner analysis after dinner/bed time

im MOST likely now??? since when, and why aren't you voting me then???

u townread me for most of this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:06 pm Ftr you turned this into a discussion about the volume tell lol, ive been clear all along its only a contributing factor and the bigger reason is your posts lowkey suck

Which I've been trying to be polite about and couch in friendlier terms but if you're gonna turn the hk rage cannon my way I no longer feel compelled to do

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:52 pm Like you're trying to sound reasonable but you're just completely ignoring what I've said lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:52 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:18 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:03 pm Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

.....

How is that materially different from his "your meta is wrong" defense against me, lol

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME explain to me what my "ratio" should have been to be town via volume in a game that had 3343 posts when D1 ended. Then explain to me where I find the time between a job, a 6yr old that needs supervision, help with school work, getting off the bus, bathed, fed, I cook dinner every night for between 45-60 minutes, then eat said food for 30 minutes, then sleep at least 6 hours. I'll wait.

You're ignoring the part where I said adjusted for a 4k post game its still low lol

And the part where I linked mafia games you've had similar volume?

Please tho, continue arguing against this straw man

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:41 pm

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:51 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:27 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:14 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:11 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:54 pm This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

why? I've fucking tried to and I get shit on and told "you can't be town you didn't hyper post" or "you can't be town you got suckered by mac" or "you can't be town your arguments are dumb" and frankly I can't be bothered to care any more.

this thread was ruined days ago, nothing is going to fix it and nobody cares

I care. Ignore Nook for the rest of the day. Let's just talk.

sure, what would you like to talk about?

Let's talk about hypotheticals:

Jack w then who

Jack V then who

Rising w then who

Rising V then who

Nook w then who

Nook V then who

Lily w then who

Lily V then who

Esooa w then who

Esooa V then who

Neon w then who

Neon V then who

Santy w then who

Santy V then who

Me w then who

Me V then who

Wilgz w then who

Wgz V then tho

(I think that's everyone)

I'll answer these to the best of my abilities but frankly I haven't paid nearly enough attention to anything to give you real actionable information.

First the easy ones, these people are always town for me:
sabi
esooa

I don't think anyone approaches this game the way either of you have, have had the conversations you've had, and the pushes that you've both made if either of you are a wolf. Some of it is Mac spew/engagement, some of it is Achro engagement, and some of it is just trying your damnedest to solve the game. If either of you are a wolf then amazingly done and I bow to your greatness. But you're not, you're both town.

Wigly can never be paired with Macdougall, it's just not possible. He was suspicious of Mac early on D1, continued that into D2. There's no reason for WIgly to bus Mac of all team mates that early. Maybe a third mate sure, but you've got to know that Mac is going to draw a lot of attention anyways, so credit is minimal if you are on him when he goes over, and if you are aiding in drawing that attention, as I believe wigly was, you're doing your team a disservice. I know it's misplay mafia but still, that's a really really bad one.
I also find Wiglys consistent tunneling on Neon semi-endearing. Not because it's cute and fluffy but because Wigly returns there in times of stress in the thread, continues to remind us that Wigly wolf reads Neon, and overall seems like if Wigly were wolfing here he'd be doing more than just reminders of the read, he'd be laying out reasoning why the wolf exists.

I also like his engagement with Achro during the Mac push


Next tier of ease:
Santy I think has really turned it around over the last couple of IRL days. I disliked their posting early in the game and middle of D2 but the rest of D2 and into today they're showing the type of solving action that I saw displayed in my qualifier this year. Basically when santy got off the shitpost train and hopped onto the build wall cases train is when it shifted for me. Santy is trying to engage multiple people on multiple fronts, none of which are advancing what I would call a wolf agenda. There's too many irons in the fire for Santy to keep track of if they were trying to wolf the game.

Next tier:
nanook I've said before I think nanook believes in his HK is a wolf push. It's gone on too long for it to be taking seriously by literally anyone who isn't him. He doubled down when I explained to him why it's not a strict sort by postcount to find wolf HK, I also explained how I'm never keeping up with the pace of this game in a way that doesn't trigger a "relative post count tell" regardless of my alignment. He didn't care, doubled down. I can't understand how nanook as a wolf does that because if he catches the car and gets me chopped and I flip town his only response can be "I thought I was right" and after being shown how he's not right and I can't (read also as won't) keep up with 300+ posts from 3 people on D1 his argument falls apart and then he's got to play defense there.
I also don't think he pairs with Mac very well. This is probably the weakest part of the read because nanook is known for doing his own thing regardless of what his team mates have going on but I believe in it.

I know I'm not answering the way you want me to, I can't really think of how to build worlds like that, it's not a way my brain works very well. Instead what I can do is give the reasons why I believe players alignments are the way they are, and then go from there to form a POE.

Which brings me to the POE section.

In very little order:
Lily
Risiinq
Jack
Neon

They're here because I have less reason to town read them than I do the above list. If I have some time later I'll pull reasons why I think they can be a wolf paired with mac but for now I don't have the capacity to do so, sorry.

OK I like this


When you have time can you order the poe from most or least likely scum and the partner analysis.

Thank you for this hk

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:18 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:03 pm Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

.....

How is that materially different from his "your meta is wrong" defense against me, lol

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:33 pm Old-thing @hollowkatt, what thinks you of Porscha? You forgot-forgot her.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:21 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:04 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:52 pm btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)

or whichever GOC it was when Alison was the last non-town player standing and all we had to do was chop her.

tbh I'll vote for jack today

What changed, old-thing?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:51 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:27 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:14 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:11 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:54 pm This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

why? I've fucking tried to and I get shit on and told "you can't be town you didn't hyper post" or "you can't be town you got suckered by mac" or "you can't be town your arguments are dumb" and frankly I can't be bothered to care any more.

this thread was ruined days ago, nothing is going to fix it and nobody cares

I care. Ignore Nook for the rest of the day. Let's just talk.

sure, what would you like to talk about?

Let's talk about hypotheticals:

Jack w then who

Jack V then who

Rising w then who

Rising V then who

Nook w then who

Nook V then who

Lily w then who

Lily V then who

Esooa w then who

Esooa V then who

Neon w then who

Neon V then who

Santy w then who

Santy V then who

Me w then who

Me V then who

Wilgz w then who

Wgz V then tho

(I think that's everyone)

I'll answer these to the best of my abilities but frankly I haven't paid nearly enough attention to anything to give you real actionable information.

First the easy ones, these people are always town for me:
sabi
esooa

I don't think anyone approaches this game the way either of you have, have had the conversations you've had, and the pushes that you've both made if either of you are a wolf. Some of it is Mac spew/engagement, some of it is Achro engagement, and some of it is just trying your damnedest to solve the game. If either of you are a wolf then amazingly done and I bow to your greatness. But you're not, you're both town.

Wigly can never be paired with Macdougall, it's just not possible. He was suspicious of Mac early on D1, continued that into D2. There's no reason for WIgly to bus Mac of all team mates that early. Maybe a third mate sure, but you've got to know that Mac is going to draw a lot of attention anyways, so credit is minimal if you are on him when he goes over, and if you are aiding in drawing that attention, as I believe wigly was, you're doing your team a disservice. I know it's misplay mafia but still, that's a really really bad one.
I also find Wiglys consistent tunneling on Neon semi-endearing. Not because it's cute and fluffy but because Wigly returns there in times of stress in the thread, continues to remind us that Wigly wolf reads Neon, and overall seems like if Wigly were wolfing here he'd be doing more than just reminders of the read, he'd be laying out reasoning why the wolf exists.

I also like his engagement with Achro during the Mac push


Next tier of ease:
Santy I think has really turned it around over the last couple of IRL days. I disliked their posting early in the game and middle of D2 but the rest of D2 and into today they're showing the type of solving action that I saw displayed in my qualifier this year. Basically when santy got off the shitpost train and hopped onto the build wall cases train is when it shifted for me. Santy is trying to engage multiple people on multiple fronts, none of which are advancing what I would call a wolf agenda. There's too many irons in the fire for Santy to keep track of if they were trying to wolf the game.

Next tier:
nanook I've said before I think nanook believes in his HK is a wolf push. It's gone on too long for it to be taking seriously by literally anyone who isn't him. He doubled down when I explained to him why it's not a strict sort by postcount to find wolf HK, I also explained how I'm never keeping up with the pace of this game in a way that doesn't trigger a "relative post count tell" regardless of my alignment. He didn't care, doubled down. I can't understand how nanook as a wolf does that because if he catches the car and gets me chopped and I flip town his only response can be "I thought I was right" and after being shown how he's not right and I can't (read also as won't) keep up with 300+ posts from 3 people on D1 his argument falls apart and then he's got to play defense there.
I also don't think he pairs with Mac very well. This is probably the weakest part of the read because nanook is known for doing his own thing regardless of what his team mates have going on but I believe in it.

I know I'm not answering the way you want me to, I can't really think of how to build worlds like that, it's not a way my brain works very well. Instead what I can do is give the reasons why I believe players alignments are the way they are, and then go from there to form a POE.

Which brings me to the POE section.

In very little order:
Lily
Risiinq
Jack
Neon

They're here because I have less reason to town read them than I do the above list. If I have some time later I'll pull reasons why I think they can be a wolf paired with mac but for now I don't have the capacity to do so, sorry.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:52 pm btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:29 pm

Spoiler: show

@Porscha
@Esooa
@risiinq-
@Sabiplz
@DrWilgy
@Jackofhearts2005
@santygrass
@Lilypetal
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@hollowkatt
@Neon

Hey folks. I'll be stepping in for @Marmot as a Moderator on Duty / facilitator for the remainder of the game. @Scotty remains on the case with me. As always, if y'all find yourselves having a bad time, don't hesitate to reach out to either or both of us. That's what we're here for. Thanks, and have fun.

My Discord is JaggedJimmyJay#5544. Scotty's information can be found by clicking here.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:51 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:27 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:14 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:11 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:54 pm This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

why? I've fucking tried to and I get shit on and told "you can't be town you didn't hyper post" or "you can't be town you got suckered by mac" or "you can't be town your arguments are dumb" and frankly I can't be bothered to care any more.

this thread was ruined days ago, nothing is going to fix it and nobody cares

I care. Ignore Nook for the rest of the day. Let's just talk.

sure, what would you like to talk about?

Let's talk about hypotheticals:

Jack w then who

Jack V then who

Rising w then who

Rising V then who

Nook w then who

Nook V then who

Lily w then who

Lily V then who

Esooa w then who

Esooa V then who

Neon w then who

Neon V then who

Santy w then who

Santy V then who

Me w then who

Me V then who

Wilgz w then who

Wgz V then tho

(I think that's everyone)

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:14 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:11 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:54 pm This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

why? I've fucking tried to and I get shit on and told "you can't be town you didn't hyper post" or "you can't be town you got suckered by mac" or "you can't be town your arguments are dumb" and frankly I can't be bothered to care any more.

this thread was ruined days ago, nothing is going to fix it and nobody cares

I care. Ignore Nook for the rest of the day. Let's just talk.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:54 pm This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:35 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:02 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:38 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:29 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo

fine, what do you want from me?

Why does relative volume tell doesn't apply to this game?

because my "hk is frozen and crying in wolf chat" tell is almost always a strict volume tell, not relative.

My average post count as a wolf follows a downward sloping trend with D1 typically being the highest at around 100 with the average being much closer to 60-80. My peak count as town is about 150-200 with an average in the mid 110-120 range. Of course this is all game dependent and post caps can have an impact, but it is almost a strict volume tell more like Michelles volume tell but not quite as stark.

As games continue my wolf games have drop offs of between 20-25 posts per day and my town game either has a slightly elevated count or has a drop of between 10-15.

Relative volume doesn't count this game because by the end of D1 we had players approaching 500 posts in some instances. I've never, as any alignment, hung with anyone posting more than 300 times. I think the highest I've ever cracked on any D1 has been 250. Trying to hang with multiple people posting over 300 times on D1 isn't something I've ever done nor will I ever do. I don't have the time, desire, or finger capacity for that many posts in a phase.

So when you say "HK has a relative post count tell as wolf" you're ignoring that this game started with some extreme hyperposting and are attempting to hold me to some kind of unreasonable standard. The sole reason I don't think you're a wolf trying to push me over here is because I think you firmly believe what it is you're trying to sell regarding me. At first I thought you were wolfy and opportunistic but the longer you've stuck with it the more I think "nanook believes this" and from my chair I can't argue with what you believe as it is, on face value, accurate.

It just so happens to be wrong. Having 300ish posts on D3 is absolutely on par for my game. You think it's wolfy because we also have
879
631
630
487
450

in this game. I can't control how much other people post. I post when I can as much as I can as good as I can. If that isn't enough posts, or the posts aren't when they should be happening there's nothing I can (or will) do about it. I have other things to do besides play mafia games. ffs this game already has more than twice the number of posts as my entire S7 qualifier did and I dominated that game by post count. It''s got to be approaching one of the largest syndicate games ever played.

I haven't engaged with you because I don't think I can change your mind. It's why I've basically ignored what you're posting about when you're talking about me. I've tried focusing on other people, engaging with them, and using that to show I'm town. If it's not working that's on me, I get that, but at some point I've got to ask myself why bother trying to change nanooks mind, it's not working when I post freely, give thoughts unprompted on things, and generally aren't making the types of major missteps with my game.

Mafia, 265 posts in 2 days (132.5 avg) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Mafia, 271 in 2 days (135.5 avg) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... %29/page60


The tell has always been relative to thread volume, not a straight volume tell. Something we've talked about and you've acknowledged in the past, I believe? So I'm confused that you're trying to refute it now lol

The thread inflation argument is a fair enough one, but even if I adjust to a more relatively reasonable thread volume, you're still in the "I need to look at hk range." Like yeah, this thread volume is crazy, but your ratio is low for a "reasonable" 4k post game too, it isn't low just by this game's absurd standards. Its also not even the main reason I'm SRing you, though I suppose its the easiest to combat so fair enough.

at some point I've got to ask myself why bother trying to change nanooks mind

This is hard to take seriously when you've dodged responding to me in any meaningful way for two game days lol, seems like that point was right away


Your response could have changed my mind, but arguing the tell is different than what I've demonstrated it to be both in this game and in the past, the misrepresentation of your own play, and your general dismissiveness, it isn't doing it for me tbh

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:54 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:30 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:18 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:30 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town

I've done enough, now it's up to you

i feel like you have done explicitly negative things all game

you were even shielding mac

honestly u should do 2x more just to pay for ur sins if ur rly town

vote button is right up there. easy to find, last green button on the right. Names HK

you went out of ur way to mention how u were threadspewed town last day phase so why are you acting like this?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:38 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:29 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo

fine, what do you want from me?

Why does relative volume tell doesn't apply to this game?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:18 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:30 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town

I've done enough, now it's up to you

i feel like you have done explicitly negative things all game

you were even shielding mac

honestly u should do 2x more just to pay for ur sins if ur rly town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:43 am Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:27 am @hollowkatt here's the relevant part

Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:24 am Show post where ris is preflipping nook Villa to back up your argument of ris not believing in that dichotomy read

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:27 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:53 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:39 am I don't have a real answer

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:40 am can i know what u think about my poe

So when you say this:

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:05 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:59 pm @risiinq- sheep me. Its one in Jack/Hk 100% of the times, if not both

no. i am hypothesizing a nook/hk dichotomy

What you really mean is this:

HK is a wolf
Nanook is town

Otherwise you'd have already thought of how your world view would look the other way around.
That's not a dichotomy that can be explored, that's a world you're presenting as "factual as far as you know" which isn't actually doing any solving.

As far as your POE goes I think at absolute best you've got 2 wolves in there, likely 1 at most, entirely possible that it's zero tbh.

I don't think Esooa/Mac can be paired in any world. If they are that was some fantastic theater and wolf chat has to be either salty as fuck or full of laughs.
Likewise if Nanook is a wolf I don't think he hitches his wagon to me and then cajoles Mac to join in. The main part of why I suspected nanook during D1 and into D2 until I stopped paying attention to his posts is that he's trying to use meta that isn't applicable here, and if it was Santy would have jumped on that and hammered it, so would have Jack. which also tells me that Jack and nanook aren't paired (knowingly).

If the team consists of multiples of jack, nanook, mac, esooa I would have been dead and buried D1, Ender would not have gone over. They have too much meta about my wolf game that they could have used.

In the world where you're a wolf you're calling your partner town.
In the world where you're town I think your weakest clears are lily and wigly and neon. All three of them are highly skilled wolves and the reasons you're clearing them are rather flimsy. They could have counted on me going over D1, shifted into a weird state where it was clear I wasn't going to be the D2 AND I was defending Mac, which could save me for the D3, which would explain why I ended with only nanook on my wagon.

I think nanook is a true believer in the HK is wolfing case, this does not feel manufactured any more. If it was I think he would have abandoned it by now, but here he is with his continuation vote and at that point he's just shitting the bed if he's wolfing. He's got next to no thread presence and/or credit, he can't really be useful to create cases and make pushes without relating them to me in some way. I'm his albatross if he's a wolf.

In conclusion I think you're either a wolf or you've got really bad clears up there, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

Even after nanook drops his big case, with discord screenshots, it wasn't enough to get me over. And those 4 know my town game is no slouch even after going on a bender of cussing.

I think your POE is bad, basically.

I see how you argued yourself into it, I just can't agree with it for the reasons I laid out above.

Okay. First: You take a dichotomy read and just turn it to a W/V read with no room to change, completely ignoring one of the scenarios ris is thinking irt to their read. Wtf .
The you would have already talked or something is like, super bad faith also , cuz ris had expressed sus on nanook, vited them D1 and never retired the sus, but recognizes that you arent paired. If you were interested in ris solve and noticed that, what you should do is ask them about the other solve that you feel that they havent talked about. But you are trying to push a narrative in bad faith and sus them I feel like. Stop dping it if you are town please, and analyze ris. If yesterday is anything to go by, is that the sus on me without actually analysing me much was bad and there wasnt a lot of people trying to solve me, so try to not go to the same mistakes, maybe?

Then, talking about PoE. There are 2 wolves remaining . So I dont follow that statement. If a PoE you think can have 2 wolves, is good. Want to see your solve there assuming there are 0 wolves there tbh! @hollowkatt . Otherwise you wouldnt say its entirely possible. And Nook would be Villa in that scenario remember.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @hollowkatt . Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?

Also, elaborate on your Nook and Jack unpaired read?
Or like, why cant wolves be good with an Ender lynch D1 , to have you as lynch later cause the case on you looked worse? Feels like you are completely ignoring stuff to make an untrue point, or like, even if that is your POV, not caring of the POV of the lther slot could be different and talking it out

In conclussion I think you are either a wolf or you have really trouble trying to solve and make pushes in bad faith, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

What is your PoE hk. You had a bucket in which you thought there were 2 wolves in more likely, and one bigger wich prob 1 wolf. Since D2 and now today you have been voting in the second bucket, so maybe an update on your view on the game rn?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:36 am

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:34 am How is that even remotely weird lol

"i wolfread you"/"i think you are a wolf"

implies hk thinks he is a wolf and in most of the post he treats me as one

then, saying

"i can see how you argued yourself into that but i think it's wrong"

implies i'm town when in the rest of the post he was attacking my "wrongness" as me being wolfy?? it's just inconsistent and pinged me the moment i saw it, nothing more

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:29 am hk voting me is surprising

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:29 am very surprising

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:15 am