Mafia Misplay Mafia

[santygrass]

The irony

[santygrass]

Show post where ris is preflipping nook Villa to back up your argument of ris not believing in that dichotomy read

[hollowkatt]

How is that even remotely weird lol

"i wolfread you"/"i think you are a wolf"

implies hk thinks he is a wolf and in most of the post he treats me as one

then, saying

"i can see how you argued yourself into that but i think it's wrong"

implies i'm town when in the rest of the post he was attacking my "wrongness" as me being wolfy?? it's just inconsistent and pinged me the moment i saw it, nothing more

Do you know what the worst argument to make in Mafia games is?
It's this one right here.

"oh, you wolf read me" but in this post it sounds like "you implied I'm town and attacking my wrongness".

English is a language that contains infinite and also zero nuance at any given second and frankly you're twisting words and intent here to try to make me look bad and you look good.

Perhaps a better way of phrasing that would be "risiinq is a liar" but you know that's kind of a mean thing to say. Next time I'll just say "liar", would that be better?

[hollowkatt]

I don't have a real answer

can i know what u think about my poe

So when you say this:

@risiinq- sheep me. Its one in Jack/Hk 100% of the times, if not both

no. i am hypothesizing a nook/hk dichotomy

What you really mean is this:

HK is a wolf
Nanook is town

Otherwise you'd have already thought of how your world view would look the other way around.
That's not a dichotomy that can be explored, that's a world you're presenting as "factual as far as you know" which isn't actually doing any solving.

As far as your POE goes I think at absolute best you've got 2 wolves in there, likely 1 at most, entirely possible that it's zero tbh.

I don't think Esooa/Mac can be paired in any world. If they are that was some fantastic theater and wolf chat has to be either salty as fuck or full of laughs.
Likewise if Nanook is a wolf I don't think he hitches his wagon to me and then cajoles Mac to join in. The main part of why I suspected nanook during D1 and into D2 until I stopped paying attention to his posts is that he's trying to use meta that isn't applicable here, and if it was Santy would have jumped on that and hammered it, so would have Jack. which also tells me that Jack and nanook aren't paired (knowingly).

If the team consists of multiples of jack, nanook, mac, esooa I would have been dead and buried D1, Ender would not have gone over. They have too much meta about my wolf game that they could have used.

In the world where you're a wolf you're calling your partner town.
In the world where you're town I think your weakest clears are lily and wigly and neon. All three of them are highly skilled wolves and the reasons you're clearing them are rather flimsy. They could have counted on me going over D1, shifted into a weird state where it was clear I wasn't going to be the D2 AND I was defending Mac, which could save me for the D3, which would explain why I ended with only nanook on my wagon.

I think nanook is a true believer in the HK is wolfing case, this does not feel manufactured any more. If it was I think he would have abandoned it by now, but here he is with his continuation vote and at that point he's just shitting the bed if he's wolfing. He's got next to no thread presence and/or credit, he can't really be useful to create cases and make pushes without relating them to me in some way. I'm his albatross if he's a wolf.

In conclusion I think you're either a wolf or you've got really bad clears up there, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

Even after nanook drops his big case, with discord screenshots, it wasn't enough to get me over. And those 4 know my town game is no slouch even after going on a bender of cussing.

I think your POE is bad, basically.

I see how you argued yourself into it, I just can't agree with it for the reasons I laid out above.

Okay. First: You take a dichotomy read and just turn it to a W/V read with no room to change, completely ignoring one of the scenarios ris is thinking irt to their read. Wtf .
The you would have already talked or something is like, super bad faith also , cuz ris had expressed sus on nanook, vited them D1 and never retired the sus, but recognizes that you arent paired. If you were interested in ris solve and noticed that, what you should do is ask them about the other solve that you feel that they havent talked about. But you are trying to push a narrative in bad faith and sus them I feel like. Stop dping it if you are town please, and analyze ris. If yesterday is anything to go by, is that the sus on me without actually analysing me much was bad and there wasnt a lot of people trying to solve me, so try to not go to the same mistakes, maybe?

Then, talking about PoE. There are 2 wolves remaining . So I dont follow that statement. If a PoE you think can have 2 wolves, is good. Want to see your solve there assuming there are 0 wolves there tbh! @hollowkatt . Otherwise you wouldnt say its entirely possible. And Nook would be Villa in that scenario remember.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @hollowkatt . Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?

Also, elaborate on your Nook and Jack unpaired read?
Or like, why cant wolves be good with an Ender lynch D1 , to have you as lynch later cause the case on you looked worse? Feels like you are completely ignoring stuff to make an untrue point, or like, even if that is your POV, not caring of the POV of the lther slot could be different and talking it out

In conclussion I think you are either a wolf or you have really trouble trying to solve and make pushes in bad faith, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

What is your PoE hk. You had a bucket in which you thought there were 2 wolves in more likely, and one bigger wich prob 1 wolf. Since D2 and now today you have been voting in the second bucket, so maybe an update on your view on the game rn?

your posts make my eyes glaze over and I've stopped reading them.

[santygrass]

Awoo

[hollowkatt]

Show post where ris is preflipping nook Villa to back up your argument of ris not believing in that dichotomy read

vote me then idgaf
I said what I wanted to say and meant every word of it. if you don't like it you have recourse to fix what you don't like. Otherwise you can take all my words at face value and do with them as you wish

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@hollowkatt here's the relevant part

Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?

[santygrass]

Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Neon can you reply to me what I quoted you about? Dont knwo if the clique simulator wss the reply, but if it was I want you to elaborate

If you quote it for me sure

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt here's the relevant part

Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?

tldr

[hollowkatt]

Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town

I've done enough, now it's up to you

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alright

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol

[Sabiplz]

Everyone is grumpy and being pissy towards each other (including myself)

Can we just hold hands and take a deep breath xoxo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like if you want to talk about why the read doesn't apply here we can but your responses so far are

Hard not to read as mafia lol

[santygrass]

ahem i see santy get angry at my wagon and i feel a bit chill-er now lol

sorry for my horrible start of day posts but really how everyone came in to read me was SO INFURIATING OMG YOU CANNOT IMAGINE

LIKE IDC

my eod was not horrible.

anyways, i dont wanna talk abt this topic more than needed but i think my start of day posts are warranted, and most are still logical

Like your world view is a mess and makes no sense

And I'm having a hard time with Santy who went from constantly attacking Macs towniness based on his world view to exclaiming Riisinq is clearly and obviously Villa with an also completely and utterly messy worldview that makes no sense.

Ookay. So, what is your worldview of the game to think it is messy? I explained why I thought they were sr Esooa or why their vote at EoD en Esooa added up? How I vibed with them? Why they keep the sus on Nanook cause it was something I vibed too but then when I switched to tr nanook those post ris missed? Like wtf what is your gripe with ris Solve for it 'being messy'. Highlighting messy, as in, you find logical flaws in there, not something you disagree.

@Neon this bit

[santygrass]

Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town

I've done enough, now it's up to you

What is your PoE. Readlist. What is your plan to solve this, whats your view on the game.

That stuff helps me too. If you dont want to talk to me, reply to nook push on why you think their meta stuff they talk about doesnt apply here

[hollowkatt]

Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol

I haven't expected you to find me town since the middle of D1 when you suddenly decided I wasn't. Why should I bother trying to do that now?
this isn't a pissy thing, it's a legit question.
What benefit do I, or the thread, gain by trying to prove to you that I'm town? You have no credit or I'd be top wagon. you couldn't get me over D1, couldn't do it D2, can't do it today.

I don't think you're wolfing, I think you're just tunneled and don't feel like breaking you out of it.

[Sabiplz]

I don't think neon is a wolf. I don't get why yall keep shoehorning her in there

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The amount of time you spent writing a post that amounts to a fancy "fuck you nanook" could've just as easily been spent actually engaging with the question lol. I'm not looking for an eight paragraph essay, literally just looking for like one or two actually relevant sentences

[Sabiplz]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

[santygrass]

I think Nook push has merit, and I've saying that since they done it. You were the cw D1 and didnt get yeeted by one vote or so.

D2 you were in my PoE of 3 mostly because it albeit they were reasons (Visor kill) to believe you were town. I feel like I did the right thing cuz we got a mafia. You dont look unpaired with that said mafia.

So I think that yes, you trying to talk to nook about that push is positive for thread. Specially cuz if you can find each other as town its goated and nook would stop being tunneled in you and will be more likely to find mafia, I think

[santygrass]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

My point is how Mac gave their legacy list, with a mood of death.

And when Neon/hk/jack came in thread , the three of them tring him, their mood swinged. Do you think all those three slots are town sabi?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo

[Sabiplz]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

My point is how Mac gave their legacy list, with a mood of death.

And when Neon/hk/jack came in thread , the three of them tring him, their mood swinged. Do you think all those three slots are town sabi?

Out of those in only confident in neon being town

[Sabiplz]

Why does syndicate have a button for SoundCloud links

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So you can post links to SoundCloud

[Sabiplz]

So you can post links to SoundCloud

Based

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol

Who was this directed at?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

ahem i see santy get angry at my wagon and i feel a bit chill-er now lol

sorry for my horrible start of day posts but really how everyone came in to read me was SO INFURIATING OMG YOU CANNOT IMAGINE

LIKE IDC

my eod was not horrible.

anyways, i dont wanna talk abt this topic more than needed but i think my start of day posts are warranted, and most are still logical

Like your world view is a mess and makes no sense

And I'm having a hard time with Santy who went from constantly attacking Macs towniness based on his world view to exclaiming Riisinq is clearly and obviously Villa with an also completely and utterly messy worldview that makes no sense.

Ookay. So, what is your worldview of the game to think it is messy? I explained why I thought they were sr Esooa or why their vote at EoD en Esooa added up? How I vibed with them? Why they keep the sus on Nanook cause it was something I vibed too but then when I switched to tr nanook those post ris missed? Like wtf what is your gripe with ris Solve for it 'being messy'. Highlighting messy, as in, you find logical flaws in there, not something you disagree.

@Neon this bit

Most of my feelings have been said by other people and I'm watching the reaction to them.

[Lilypetal]

Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town

I've done enough, now it's up to you

i feel like you have done explicitly negative things all game

you were even shielding mac

honestly u should do 2x more just to pay for ur sins if ur rly town

[Jackofhearts2005]

Good-good morning idiot-things.

[Lilypetal]

Good-good morning idiot-things.

hello wolf-thing

[Jackofhearts2005]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

My point is how Mac gave their legacy list, with a mood of death.

And when Neon/hk/jack came in thread , the three of them tring him, their mood swinged. Do you think all those three slots are town sabi?

Beard-thing should know that Queek and old-thing are going to come back and if they are being bus-yeeted or not.

Change in beard-thing is because support was unexpected. One wolf-thing in that group at most.

[Jackofhearts2005]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

But Queek is wolf-thing?

[Sabiplz]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

But Queek is wolf-thing?

I'm voting for snowy, not you rat thing

[Sabiplz]

Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol

Who was this directed at?

Hk

[Jackofhearts2005]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

But Queek is wolf-thing?

I'm voting for snowy, not you rat thing

Cat thing wants to by Queek's friend-pawn?

[hollowkatt]

If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo

fine, what do you want from me?

[hollowkatt]

Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town

I've done enough, now it's up to you

i feel like you have done explicitly negative things all game

you were even shielding mac

honestly u should do 2x more just to pay for ur sins if ur rly town

vote button is right up there. easy to find, last green button on the right. Names HK

[Sabiplz]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

But Queek is wolf-thing?

I'm voting for snowy, not you rat thing

Cat thing wants to by Queek's friend-pawn?

Uh I'm confused? Did you mean be your friend?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (6) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Porscha, sabiplz
Santygrass (3) - Jack, Hollowkatt, Macdougall
Neon (2) - Achromatic, Lilypetal
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook
Riisinq- (1) - Neon

don't flash wagon neon jfc

[Jackofhearts2005]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

But Queek is wolf-thing?

I'm voting for snowy, not you rat thing

Cat thing wants to by Queek's friend-pawn?

Uh I'm confused? Did you mean be your friend?

Yes-yes. That's what Queek said. Got warpstone in your ears, cat-thing?

[Sabiplz]

Self voting and ate

Mafia Misplays Mafia

[Sabiplz]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

But Queek is wolf-thing?

I'm voting for snowy, not you rat thing

Cat thing wants to by Queek's friend-pawn?

Uh I'm confused? Did you mean be your friend?

Yes-yes. That's what Queek said. Got warpstone in your ears, cat-thing?

Yes

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo

fine, what do you want from me?

Why does relative volume tell doesn't apply to this game?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

going to bed gl town

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (5) - Esooa, DrWilgy, santygrass, Achro, riisinq-
Santygrass (5) - Sabiplz, Jack, hollowkatt, Neon, Porscha
Hollowkatt (3) - Nanook, Lilypetal, MacDougall

*confused rat noises*

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Whoops forgot how to talk lol

"Why does your relative volume tell not apply this game?"

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Esooa I call for a truce while we all vote santygrass

idk

why

this is me

extending you

an olive branch

you scumread him

you scumread me

help me bus

just not really sure why you've decided to do this

there are legit so many reasons

This is thing Queek only says when he is town-thing. But for beard-thing? Probably says it as wolf-thing about town-thing only.

Queek is frustrated by beard-thing's iso.