The Syndicate

"not confronting to peer pressure"

confronting wasnt the right word here. the opposite. what was the word? it was very similar. comforming. comfirming. what was the word

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:08 pm Six months is not that long tbf

nanook has seen first handedly people scumreading me due to finding my tone weird, he has also seen first handedly me pocketing ppl in that scum game that just ended by me falling back to doing the thing people want to see from me (the way that i often used to have my tone before)

if nanook is town he can't find me as town here? he can't clear this misunderstanding? why is he further adding shade to my defense by saying six months isn't that long, and i could be scum because im different from six months ago?

@nutella who also said that she was surprised that i was scum in that game (because presumably i copied the town meta thats wanted from me perfectly) - she also cant see that im being stubborn town here for not confronting to peer pressure and doing what i want?

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:01 pm Are you saying you don't have fun playing mafia any more?

i feel like you confirmation bias yourself too much, and you aren't really reading any of my responses with a benefit of the doubt

i never said or implied that im not having fun, either in this particular game or in mafia in general, unless thats how you choose to read my response that i gave you yourself

"you are reading me based off a half a year old meta. space invaders and pyre mafia was in june or july" was my reply to your claim that my tone is weird

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:49 pm like I don't feel tutuu is *having fun* tbh there's a weird tone and feeling to her posts

you are reading me based off a half a year old meta. space invaders and pyre mafia was in june or july

6v1
misyeet and marked 4v1
misyeet and marked 2v1
final chance to yeet scum

so yeah, worst case scenario (if mafia gets their kills every time) we have at least 3 yeets remaining this game

so i should take off my fancy pants and ideas of not self presing against marmot

even if im highly confident that marmot is town (which i am) maybe it would still be correct to self-pres and let 2 townies die instead of me, because i dont see my death changing stuff tbh. ppl will still want marmot dead

so i have no choice but to conform to the peer pressure

but if im right that he's town and we lose 1 extra town, that will hopefully make other towns listen to me

so yeah, i would self-pres

actually i should consider not self-pressing myself against marmot because if he is town, he is 100% marked by the mafia and if i self-pres and im right that he's town, mafia will kill 2 towns instead of just me, 1 town

but that is an insane decision for me to make

cuz if im wrong and marmot is mafia i'd be borderline gamethrowing. well not gamethrowing but i would be putting us very far behind

anyway, for the rest of the town:

nook is not necessarily scum for killing esooa, and he did display this behavior before as town (being adamant to kill empty slots) (the TripleHaven slot in that G-man game)

however he has also displayed it as scum (he hard bussed the about-to-be empty slot of his scum buddy colonialbob in the philosophers mafia game), so i would just urge u guys to find nook as town (if he is town) based off of his posts and day talk and not give him a free pass for killing a wolf, in case anyone is townreading him based off of that (which if i might add, i did also kill a wolf)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:56 pm Eh that made it sound angleshooty didn’t it

I preferred to kill the slot rather than have a sub come in, in a game this size subs are super hard to read imo. I didn’t want to say that at the time cause usually saying that makes people go “NO LET IT BE SUBBED,” so

i dont see how that is, subs are inherently pro-town imo. at the very least it gives u another opportunity to read the lost

i havent seen a situation where being adamant to kill an empty slot ended up being correct unless the slot just was super important to mechanically resolve

in this situation i gut scumread esooa so yeeting her slot seemed fine to me

i woud self-pres to marmot if it comes down to it

yeah, im not saying nanook has bussed before therefore nanook always busses

proof of my claims: the esooa yeet

there was not a single detailed and logical and formulated reason to scumread her and yeet her

all of us (who are town) voted there based off of our gut

i have played with scum!nook once, only once, he seems to rand town all the time, and im not the best nook reader

but recently ive been ~alright at finding him as town, to some extent, i ~think

and iirc he doesnt mind bussing, at least in that one game i saw him wolf

and i ... how to put it into words?

theres nothing to put into words

its fundamentally impossible to justify a read with easy to understand words in this specific game due to how lowkey it is, because if it was so easy, then people would be obvious to read every game from the very first post

but if we assume ppl do put some effort to blend their town games and scum games together, then u cant rly demand logical and clear explanations to scumread and to vote someone

so what ppl end up doing is they fake a big portion of their rationale for their reads (even as town) just for the sake of keeping up appearances

imo

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:24 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:56 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:49 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for
i don't understand this part. you're ok with voting for low-hanging fruit? who is LHF in this game in your opinion?
I'm generally pretty ok with voting LHF cause I.E. killing a player like epi who seems pretty good will be a lot worse when he flips town compared to someone like Marmot (not offense to him just picking up from the thread he's pretty LHF xd). And I don't have very good reads yet which is mb, but because of that I generally would default to voting someone who's more scummy on average

and on the PSI thing, I guess I can see what you mean by she would make it up as a weird response to pressure as maf. I guess I thought it made sense cause linki is annoying but it wouldn't really change my posts lol
Esooa called me out as LHF in this post. I suddenly don't think PSI could be the teammate and it's probably someone who's played with me before.

i ... dont think its that hard to tell that you're a LHF even if someone never played with u before, but carry on being towny

i dont feel like explaining anything, i dont think the rest of the town is cooperative and therefore i would be wasting a bunch of calories hitting the keys of my keyboard with my fingers

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:13 pm i dont get how t!tutuu can just townread marmot now lol.

i dont get how people can scumread marmot

i have played 2 games with him where he was mafia, in both games he was similar, he feels different here

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:02 pm I wish I had a better idea of what scum tutuu was like after her last scum game, but I was her teammate, so I honestly skipped a lot of her posts because I know she was both scum and a lock town read for everyone.

this post is towny,

him asking "is esooa a player in this game?" is mega towny

him self-voting day 1 and doing all these random stuff is all pretty towny

imo

if its not nook its PSI and we're underestimating her scum game

i think everyone else towntold repeatedly and a lot

me and marmot against the world, just like last game

thats cool

looks like we are the top wagons, me and you marmot, but us finding each other as town is cool

help me with nook pls

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:00 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:19 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:03 am I think dunya, esooa and PSI are towny

Dunya for aforementioned (is this the word?) reasons + her new posts now which i like, esooa for her being chill and i believe her, she is a very competitive person, PSI i just liked her wall post, i think those reads were reasonably not-the-easiest to fake as scum for most ppl. Also i still cant get over the fact that she said shes very sorry for laying low that was just so adorable and i wanna squish her

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:07 am Just lost my confidence in those townreads
my townread on esooa lasted for 4 minutes
Why for only 4 minutes? Is that explained somewhere?

because after 4 minutes i decided to stop townreading her

[VOTE: nook] aubergine

i dont feel like marmot is mafia

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:56 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:18 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:20 am y is esooa town tutuu?
I cant write anything more than what i already wrote on her at that time
have you seen competitive esooa as mafia before?
im just going off of what she has told me about herself outside of mafia (before this game) (that shes competitive), and if i were to put myself in her shoes, i decided its probably towny for me if i decided to say that i wanna take it chill this game

anyway i lost confidence in all of my townreads as i said, im waiting for now

I made at least 3 separate posts saying that im no longer townreding esooa

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:11 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:07 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:05 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:02 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:00 am you have been hard-defending epignosis all game too, with his godlike posts if he were mafia. why the sudden switch?
because i started thinking that he could be mafia
yes, but what caused the switch?

like, you didn't tell me what caused the switch on eso either?

u usually outline what you find scummy (like you pointed out every time psi did something).
i do believe my progression on epi is there in my iso, im happy with it
not really, you just said hmm maybe i should consider nutella's take on epi. but epi made some godlike posts if he was mafia (which basically reads to me as "i guess it's a slim chance epi is mafia"). that's not really "progression" to be calling for his head now (and voting marmot anyway lol)

what about your progression on eso?

It is a progression in my book

You can see my progression on eso for yourself from my iso, what exactly do u want me to say?

I townread her for 4 minutes, i stopped, after i said im no longer townreading her u asked me why am i townreading, i retroactively explained why i was townreading her beforr and u incorrectly remembered that as me townshielding her

Then i decided shes scummy and i voted her and she died

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:03 am I think dunya, esooa and PSI are towny

Dunya for aforementioned (is this the word?) reasons + her new posts now which i like, esooa for her being chill and i believe her, she is a very competitive person, PSI i just liked her wall post, i think those reads were reasonably not-the-easiest to fake as scum for most ppl. Also i still cant get over the fact that she said shes very sorry for laying low that was just so adorable and i wanna squish her

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:07 am Just lost my confidence in those townreads

my townread on esooa lasted for 4 minutes

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:05 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:02 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:00 am you have been hard-defending epignosis all game too, with his godlike posts if he were mafia. why the sudden switch?
because i started thinking that he could be mafia
yes, but what caused the switch?

like, you didn't tell me what caused the switch on eso either?

u usually outline what you find scummy (like you pointed out every time psi did something).

i do believe my progression on epi is there in my iso, im happy with it

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:04 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:01 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:59 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:52 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:40 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:31 pm i knew what was happening with esooa and i voted her because i thought she was scummy and i was sheeping dunya
i recall you heavily "townshielding" esooa before. what changed?
i do not recall such a thing, i was townreading her and dunya and psi and then i changed my mind
oh im pretty sure you and i got into a thing about eso where you explained why eso must be town to me and i was like hmmm ok, let's see what happens with eso.
no, we did not. we got in an argument over semantics and definitions of the words "competitive" and "relaxed" and "turbulent"
you denying that the basis of that "argument" (it wasn't an argument) was about reasons on why you town read esooa doesn't make me feel better about you rn tbh.

too bad

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:02 am like "esooa for her being chill and i believe her, she is a very competitive person,"

since when does tutuu give town cred to someone so easily?

lol

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:00 am you have been hard-defending epignosis all game too, with his godlike posts if he were mafia. why the sudden switch?

because i started thinking that he could be mafia

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:59 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:52 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:40 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:31 pm i knew what was happening with esooa and i voted her because i thought she was scummy and i was sheeping dunya
i recall you heavily "townshielding" esooa before. what changed?
i do not recall such a thing, i was townreading her and dunya and psi and then i changed my mind
oh im pretty sure you and i got into a thing about eso where you explained why eso must be town to me and i was like hmmm ok, let's see what happens with eso.

no, we did not. we got in an argument over semantics and definitions of the words "competitive" and "relaxed" and "turbulent"

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:54 pm Maybe eso could be scum

I did not perceive the lets exe epi posts as disgenuine

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:40 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:31 pm i knew what was happening with esooa and i voted her because i thought she was scummy and i was sheeping dunya
i recall you heavily "townshielding" esooa before. what changed?

i do not recall such a thing, i was townreading her and dunya and psi and then i changed my mind

I am town innocent child anyone who votes me is confirmed member of the mafia

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:38 pm any of that yeah

let's get epi first and if that's wrong i'll go for you next maybe ok?
how about you go for me like never, for i am the greatest mafia that has ever graced your eyes and you ought to bow down before me and beg for forgiveness for committing the sin of wrongly scumreading me. do not repeat this mistake or i will punish you.

the greatest mafia player

thats just a pure sitcom moment that i ate the word player and just typed mafia

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:38 pm any of that yeah

let's get epi first and if that's wrong i'll go for you next maybe ok?

how about you go for me like never, for i am the greatest mafia that has ever graced your eyes and you ought to bow down before me and beg for forgiveness for committing the sin of wrongly scumreading me. do not repeat this mistake or i will punish you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:25 pm Or tutuu actually. I do think she could make a lot of sense as mafia here

i dont believe so. were you not convinced i was town in overtime? so why dont u re-adjust your algorithm of reading me? i showed that im not afraid of powerwolfing and hard defending my buddies and yelling at villagers to kill other villagers

sure, i could be scum here who decided to bus for a change of meta, but is that the reason ur scumreading me? u think i just did a 180 from my last scum game playstyle?

or is it like a level ~2 suspicion that i might have bussed esooa cuz i had nothing better to do and i felt cornered/pressured to do so and to "ride the towncred" like an average scum player would do?

i knew what was happening with esooa and i voted her because i thought she was scummy and i was sheeping dunya

in the end of the day its a slot, its a static alignment that has a player attached to it

i was yeeting the slot, not the player

i believe it would be invalid to think that a mafia player would bus esooa for the sole purpose of bussing the "player". if they bussed, they bussed the "slot", not the "player"

voting epi

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:02 am [VOTE: esooa] aubergine

kinda /underwhelmed by today's contributions tbh.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:04 am [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

sheeping dunya

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:04 am Yeah I can compromise to esooa I think

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:16 pm [VOTE: esooa] aubergine

ugh dont feel great about this eod and I also really have to get some work done

i think u voted at the exact time as me. maybe should give u more credit, tho u did waffle on it, but i also did waffle on it

maybe i wanna kill epi -> marmot -> nutella -> psi -> nanook -> dunya -> tutuu

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

would go here first, he looked demoralized at that esooa flip, i believe he just copy pasted PSI's message for the sake of being cheeky and dipped

actually

maybe im giving nutella too much cred

she was the 4th vote (nook was 3rd) iirc, and there were no wagons with 3 votes, so nutella's vote by itself changed nothing

so i'd get nutella before PSI and maybe even nanook, would have to consider that one

PSI super towny imo

unless shes an extremely good wolf, i think the average player doesn't have the same morale and WIM PSI just expressed after their buddy got chopped d1

for now lets kill marmot and epi, and if those are wrong, i would go on nanook next, i townread him less the least on the esooa wagon

Marmot/Epi -> Epi/Marmot -> Nook -> PSI -> Nutella -> dunya -> tutuu

i would yeet in this order rn

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:56 pm Actually now that epi said it it makes psi look worse loooopllllll

Wot?

How does this work in chronologically reverse order?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:53 pm Level 0 game solve is that nutella was the 8 ball and the other maf is either Epi (80%) or Nook (20%) (because he vocally supported cfding nutella with dunya)

(Because i just checked the vc and epi and eso are voting nut)

Well no, level 0 is that last maf is among the ppl who didnt kill wolf and those who did are innocent children

So maybe level 0.5

Level 0 game solve is that nutella was the 8 ball and the other maf is either Epi (80%) or Nook (20%) (because he vocally supported cfding nutella with dunya)

Not so good reaction from epi imo

U could be right nutella

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:41 pm Eh if I were mafia I’d probably want to mark mafia, and in most teams esooa would be the logical choice

why would u play with the mindset that ur gonna lose? (lose your partner)

i guess u can play however u like, maybe u like having insurance, at least i would be very vocal in my opposition to mark me or my maf buddy and i would wanna swag on some villagers

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