The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:46 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:46 am

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:42 am Wait if tutuus is wilgys… is wilgys/tutuus still voting Creatures?

we're voting for both creature and marmot at the same time

we're a self-replicating killer nano robot virus coming to ruin your mafia games

im on my way to sub out to get a 3rd vote

this is only the beginning.

Why are you voting for me?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:42 am Wait if tutuus is wilgys… is wilgys/tutuus still voting Creatures?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:35 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:23 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:23 am Sloonei's post reads like trying to move the thread along. I would guess that's why they aren't engaging with your questions.

If falcon were to flip wolf, it wouldn't be a great look for Sloonei, but they wouldn't be the only person viewing the argument as V/V.

gut scumread mayo for information over analysis in the first line

and buttell in the second line

Have you caught up to that point in the thread, where Sloonei, much to his chagrin, I'm sure, entered the Zenge/Falcon deathmatch? I agree with Mayo that Sloonei was probably trying to smooth things down a bit. I think Sloonei would do that town or wolf.

hi - yeah

ididnt catch up im not gonna read everything chronologically but that lines up

to clarify for my post - in the second line of mayo - his line doesnt matter too much for the purpose of his sloonei read (to me), it could be whatever, i was mostly caring for trying to find a read on mayo

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:35 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:23 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:23 am Sloonei's post reads like trying to move the thread along. I would guess that's why they aren't engaging with your questions.

If falcon were to flip wolf, it wouldn't be a great look for Sloonei, but they wouldn't be the only person viewing the argument as V/V.

gut scumread mayo for information over analysis in the first line

and buttell in the second line

Have you caught up to that point in the thread, where Sloonei, much to his chagrin, I'm sure, entered the Zenge/Falcon deathmatch? I agree with Mayo that Sloonei was probably trying to smooth things down a bit. I think Sloonei would do that town or wolf.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:40 pm ~ The game contains more than two factions.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:23 am Sloonei's post reads like trying to move the thread along. I would guess that's why they aren't engaging with your questions.

If falcon were to flip wolf, it wouldn't be a great look for Sloonei, but they wouldn't be the only person viewing the argument as V/V.

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:09 pm [VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

Not enough information

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:30 pm Hi, I claim slank D1 cover.

I have ONE (1) read and that is Neon = Town and not much else

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:52 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:50 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:50 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:48 pm Santy sounds Village and that’s kinda scary

MKes me wonder if he’s wolf

Need to read his FE tone

My tone is always this good wdym

You’re being…. Too charming

Once again, nothing too new.

If you don't pocket your fellow townies, you aren't playing mafia

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:52 pm I forgot about this game, wild

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:12 am A sketchy villager does not respond to me the way Falcon did. A sketchy villager doesn’t push me the Falcon did. A sketchy villager doesn’t have people come out of the woodwork to try and shut down discussion the way people did when I started pushing Falcon.

As a villager, Falcon is sketchy, I’m told. That’s not what’s happening here. Falcon is not simply “sketchy”. Falcon is a wolf.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:02 am Zenge, I think that anyone just blindly following you on hyperfocused mode while ignoring all the more likely to be correct townreads from people that know falcon more are more likely to be wolves. Like, I think that shows a lack lf nuance and them goimg for an easy vote qithout questioning much, just 'following zenge' is a good enough excuse.

Even if falcon is a wolf (unlikely) , I think you also have a Wolf voting with you tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:56 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:40 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:36 am * Patiently waits for the tuutu townread *

ughhh my knee jerk reaction is to bare my fang and hiss like a cat HISSSSSSS out of ego that you're trying to pocket me

posts like these are like ego attacks / domination attempts

i need some time and do it with a clear head and emotional neutrality. like a monk

* T poses *

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:44 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:17 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:15 am I post them in most games, I'll pull a few links for you later.

if you can link me 1 town game of yours where you wallposted as town thats enough, id appreciate it

most people dont lie about self-meta but nook and alison have lied about it so i just dont wanna take the 0.00001% chance someone else could be lying too :P

No worries, I don't love relying on self meta, people lie lol.

Lawyers, Guns and Money:

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:37 am These are in alphabetical order within the groupings, no real hierarchy. I don't like Rainbows in general, and haven't made many. So it's a shitty rainbow from a shitty rainbow maker.

Dennis
Scotty
Seanzie


fingersplints
Neon
RondoDimBuckle
Roxy


Golden

falcon45ca


lucy

I spent ALOT of time watching Dennis play after that Wilgy vote, I didn't care what his Mom said, and I don't think he's coached, he seemed to come into his own *in* the thread, not come into the thread that way, as if he was coached. Also if bad he would not have made that "RIP MOM!" post that way lol.

I know Scotty is not playing the same game as Game 1, but he's flying solo here and we have given him a lot less to work with datawise. There was that pocketing talk earlier, but I am not sure why Scotty would need to pocket me. Don't always agree, but everything he says seems to be coming from the right place.

I was on the other side of Seanzie day one when he thought I was bad, and I really believe he thought I was bad. That was not manufactured, he meant it. So he can't be bad. This is how PoE works, yes?

I went back and forth on Neon. I don't understand the vote info, and, unlike Kate I was not so sure Jack was good. But seeing Mata/Vivax flip bad, I think she would have tried to keep him engaged and helped him acclimate, I now think it is as Kate said, and maybe all of this overwhelmed him a bit. I know I was overwhelmed in my first game and i was like over 40 ha ha. So if I think Jack was not necessarily bad, nothing Neon has done makes me think that either.

Splints and Roxy are a less clear sort for me. I have felt Roxy was good from the get go, she's got that zen civvie vibe. I was less sure on Splints. The only thing keeping Roxy out of top group is her insistence that Splints was civvie. Like I believed Kate was civvie, but I don't know that I would have flatly said she WAS civvie. But it's semantics, and I myself loathe semantics as a hook, so meh. But I feel better about Splints than I did. So i grouped them together. As they should be.

I have never played with falcon. Can someone point me to a case that was made? He's right in the middle of my pack, and if I'm missing something I'd like to know what it is. He had that sketch association from Matas posts, with the light
waffles, but then pretty much everything she said was a waffle. Personally, I would rather elim Lucy since this will, I think, bring some clarity to the thread.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:45 am i want to post my thoughts so far, while I have a minute. They are definitely not deep thoughts, but how deep can they be on day 1?
New players get a pass, until later in the game. Absent players, as well.
if I don't mention you, its because I have you as town for now.

Falcon45ca- I didn't find it suspicious that you chose someone quickly because with movable votes, it seems like a lot of players throw votes around in a slap-happy fashion. then you were questioned about it, and you promptly posted quotes for why you made your vote. This looked legit to me at the time. Later it occurred to me that maybe you did all that too quickly, Pre-planned? But someone, Sabiplz, I think, said this was normal for your town game.

Soneji posted, I think, but I'll need to go back and look to make sure. ???

Lucy- so far, is reminding me of Dr. Wilgy. Too random to read, and weird posting just annoys me because I don't know what to do with it. I'd like to hear from players who are familiar with them.

Seanzie made a very risky statement for a town player to make. Or just an 'I can't be bothered' statement. Since it was preceded by an 'Ugh', I'm going with the former.

Sabiplz drew attention to his post, then backed away from it, then said she rarely voted early or often, then 17 minutes later she voted for Seanzie. None of this feels right.

Golden got a vote from Falcon, and although Falcon's reasons would not be enough to convince me to vote someone, I thought they were ok for a day 1. However after post 486 ( I think, I'll go back and check later and do an ebwop if necessary), I have Golden as town.

Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???

Everyone else, I have as probably town. I have no absolutes this early, but I'm watching the players above who pinged me. I'd like to hear what other players think of my not so deep thoughts, please.

I put Golden in the middle as a null and maybe it's not fair, since i would actually be very surprised if he turned up bad, either with Lucy if she is ( ) or not with her if she isn't. I don't see the same bad Golden who had a very real looking aggressive one/one with his bad teammate in Game 1 blatantly vouching for bad teammates, or blatantly clearing people on feels if town.

But like I said, I need to sort Lucy and see what he has to say about it all if she is bad.

Anniversary Game 1; I had subbed in, this was my first reads list. I made a few more walls that game.

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:55 pm OK, glad to be here! I have been following the game, and have some pretty defined opinions. I work M-F 8-5, and am very unlikely to be able to post during those times, just an FYI.

First to clear up a few things. DH and i have played together for YEARS, as teammates, as adversaries, we played D&D together for a while. One thing I know about DH, when DH is bad, he takes his frustration to the chat. He's calm, he spends much more time playing nice when he's bad. I'm watching this classic thread derail (and again, this is something I know about, have derailed more than one thread with him and others) yelling at my monitor, "HE'S A CIV". @Kate I'm talking to you, I think that was a civ/civ situation. Classic.

And I have his role card now, and can guarantee you he was a civ. @DharmaHelper thanks for what you said in the Zero poll

OK, I am NOT a fan of naming civs, the baddies do get to NK people, but they also still have to lynch people. And if everyone thinks person X is civ, they can't lynch them, that cuts down their chances for opportunism. That said, in "Modern" (@Scotty )mafia, that apparently is not the case, so I will give general impressions of everyone. There are a few people I will not lynch, and I will work hard against a lynch wagon on any of them, should one form. And that's all I'm saying about that.

I left the dead on the list for my reasons. I will go between ped and sarc to make it easier to read. I have more firmly formed opinions on some than others.

Are the polls posted? I thought I saw them, but I'm not sure where they are. Can someone help a girl out? Also was there much voting without posting? I saw some discussion of it, but didn't really watch the poll while following.

THE AMAZING PLAYERS!
bea- Bea! Come out and play, I am not thrilled with the Bea I'm seeing. I know time is tight, but I am missing your insights. I could vote for her.
DFaraday- As always very quiet. I do know he is responsible when bad. If he's missing votes, not sure bad DF would do so. But it's been years, so I have to look at votes.
DharmaHelper-Such a civ it's a shame you all missed it.
DrWilgy-He's licking people? This seems like standard Wilgy chaos? I can never tell with him. What does his voting record look like?
Elohcin- I think she's likely civ, unless her game has changed tons (and iirc she said she doesn't play much?) I have nothing to question here.
fingersplints-I am curious about those saying Splints was most def civ, but saying Kate self targeted. What did Splints do that was so civvie? If the rez comes up, I'll be voting Llama as of now.
G-Man- I could vote here. I have seen both G men, bad and good, and he is a stellar civ, a self conscious baddie. Halloween weekend, he's a Dad. Give me more G, man. You're looking self conscious.
Golden-I am super conflicted here. He looks like civ Golden, he sounds like civ Golden, but his conclusions are very different than mine. So definite middle ground for me.
Kate- I KNOW Kate, and like DH, she would NEVER have that hissy thing in thread if she was bad. When she was OT'ed she was here like all the time. I would be amazed if she was bad
thellama73- I think he was a civ, and as of now, he has my rez vote should that be triggered.
Lorab- I am flummoxed that any pre-Syndicate old timey players suspected her. She always looks shady to those newer to her. Did Bea vote for her?
Michelle- I know i played with her once or so, I have zero impression of her here except "blendy". Those who know her, is this her norm? If not, I could vote here, too.
NotAnAxehole-I thought he was bad. I especially thought his suggestion of a firedrill was bad, but that could be my bias. I have to compare Vivax1 to Vivax2. Haven't done that yet.
Quin-TBH, quin/Scotty/Golden/Llama were all blending in for me a bit while I was following, I need to read him. I have no impression of him, and I should.
Scotty-I think he's probably a civ. I grossly misread him once, and the person I am seeing here is that person. Anyone have a recent Scotty bad game I could see?
sig- Blendy sig is blendy. Is this still the case? Not seeing anything overtly scary, I need opinions here.
Sloonei-I am not seeing the civ Sloonei I knew and feared, but he may have changed up his game? Could I see recent good/bads for him maybe?
Vivax- Like I said, I felt NAA was bad, but it was for mainly undefined reasons. Vivax seems more civ, but I need to do a read on him tbh

So where is everyone else at?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:35 pm Has anyone completed a recount of yesterday's vote and compiled the order? I'm not sure that's worded right... If not, does anyone plan to? I think yesterday's lynch could give us some valuable info.

This ^^ I could use some poll help, and it's a good way to get discussion going.

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:41 am

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:39 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

I'm willing to redirect, but wanted to get a vote on the board at the very least.

I want to get Zenge out of his tunnel because he's an extremely valuable town player but if he's going to hyperfocus on his falcon read then I don't know how else to do that. I've seen some of the points on Marmot/Creature (read back over the past two pages or so). Can you elaborate on why you feel strongly Creature is a hit? If you've already explicitly detailed, then directing me to a post is fine but I doubt I'll be able to do a full catch up today like I did yesterday

Pls stay

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:36 am * Patiently waits for the tuutu townread *

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:25 am Aigh I'm catched up. Very glad tutuu us being obvtown, I couldn't get their autograph but I succesfully sneaked in and got a hair from them. And they didn't even notice.

Sneaky snek

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:21 am i think if u just go by simple logic - u townread falcon here

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:21 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:15 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:59 pm For clarity’s sake, I think the first part about being “easy to read” was meant to be a joke.

I guess it wasn’t a joke.

For a player who knows me, and knows me fairly well like Marmot does, I am an easy read.





Or at the very least, Marmot should be able to make his own independent read on my slot. I also noticed that when he responded to my post, he didn't answer my question, and deflected w/ "you get mislynched often"

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:15 am I post them in most games, I'll pull a few links for you later.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:07 amI... what?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:40 pm I don't have much of a reason to town read SAR but my heart feels like she's town. I don't get why she's so confident on miranda, though.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:25 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:05 pm Effectively we are looking at at least 1 in Dennis/Nate, at least 1 in Seanzie/Miranda920, and lastly at least 1 in the Falcon/Zenge/Santy.

I have Zenge all but locked town, Santy as a town lean, and you have Falcon locked town. Hmm.
I'm confused where you deduced at least 1 in Seanzie/miranda?

Seems like it would be a good time to clarify why you had MR7 in your townreads when you did your SDN reads.

Because I think he just sounds like himself. As mentioned before, I should not be regarded as a reliable source on him given I didn't want to yeet him either of the times I played with him while he was scumming. He's not a strong town read, more towny side of neutral. And it's hard to further assess when he has the restriction. But someone mentioned him sounding unnatural and imo that is NAI for him. I haven't seen anything that makes him wolfy.
Anyway of the SDNers I think genny/mayo are way more likely to be hits and I'd prefer to go there first.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:05 pm Effectively we are looking at at least 1 in Dennis/Nate, at least 1 in Seanzie/Miranda920, and lastly at least 1 in the Falcon/Zenge/Santy.

I have Zenge all but locked town, Santy as a town lean, and you have Falcon locked town. Hmm.
I'm confused where you deduced at least 1 in Seanzie/miranda?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:15 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:50 pm Here I will be sheeping Zenge/Psv take on genny

I'm leaning scum on genny at the moment
I do tend to fall into a bias of (relative) high poster genny=town genny. I think that's because when she's around more I can more easily get a grip on her thought process. It's really hard for me to feel her out either way when she's only posted once this cycle and a handful of times fiscal yesterday. But still I feel like the solving energy hasn't been there.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:01 am Like if you think you're gonna catch me by looking for similar posts in my wolf games your gonna just misexe me a lot frankly. And I'm very tired of being misexed

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:00 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:24 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:10 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:23 pmGod I'm so lost

Explain your mindset to me plz.

I'm trying to find town I can bounce off of and work with. You know my best town game recently was GoC when I had a town core I trusted and just worked exclusively with them.

But I'm struggling here. AM was my top town read them dying really sucks.

I think I'm comfortable with Santy for meh reasons that I trust and I think Zenge Falcon is T v T.

I'm starting to lean town on you for meh reasons to.

let me retract my neon townread due to this and the nested post in the chain

these are the same posts she just wrote as wolf in my game

Yes but this is an awful way to read me because as a wolf I'm hyper aware of my town game and I emulate it very very well.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:10 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:23 pmGod I'm so lost

Explain your mindset to me plz.

I'm trying to find town I can bounce off of and work with. You know my best town game recently was GoC when I had a town core I trusted and just worked exclusively with them.

But I'm struggling here. AM was my top town read them dying really sucks.

I think I'm comfortable with Santy for meh reasons that I trust and I think Zenge Falcon is T v T.

I'm starting to lean town on you for meh reasons to.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:35 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:59 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm

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My usual vote spreadsheet bizniss.

Day 1 Votes
(The only note here is I don't actually know exactly when mayo's vote for Creature was, because I couldn't find an in thread vote post for it. It was sometime before the timestamp I have)


Waterfall


EOD Wagons

NO WAY THIS DUDE RECORDED THE TIMESTAMPS OF THE VOTES

does he do it as mafia too?

Yeah I do it regardless.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:41 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:19 am Dont worry lawpy u cant edit ur posts unless ur a mod

We removed this functionality coz jaggedjimmyjay kept having "accidents" where he "accidently" remembered he wrote the wrong reads and "corrected" them as people flipped, when he was mafia, ending up in 100% read accuracy and winning every game...

I bet you didn’t expect me to respond to this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:00 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:57 am Give me attention

I need it

I desire it

Bask in my townyness

Arent i the greatest town player alive? So easy for me to obv town

My reads are so good too... Deadly accurate with no effort

U guys should all praise me

I deserve to be called the greatest alive, and obvtown

Holy crap is that tutuu? Here, in my mafia game? Can I have your autograph?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:11 pm OK, reads so far.

People I wont vote for today:

Falcon
Mayo
Neon
Sloonei
Zenge

Lean town:

Animal Midwife
Sean
Scotty


People I have no clue; low posters, no content I recall, etc. It's day 1, let's give them till day 2:

Wilgy (I thought Wilgys vote was kind of a joke, a counterpoint to the pile on, but he hasn't moved it)
dyachei
genny
Kate
MightyRunner
SARdoghandler

People who I recall some things they said, but didn't make an impression, null reads. It's me, not you.:

Marmot
Miranda
Nate

People who have said alot but I still can't get a handle on:

PSV
SportPonies

People I'm a little worried about:

Dennis
Pyxxy (I feel better about Pyx since the reads list, still don't love the 3P focus)


People Imma vote for:

Creature

Creature voted four minutes after EOD for someone becasue "Just the player I was least impressed by in this page" after a day when everyone was just lolcatting and feeling each other out. The reason I could have dealt with, the four minutes, OK. But not both.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:36 am

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:35 am And yeah, that’s why i’m also suspecting slooneis and mayos. Mayos in particular looks like an engaged bystander in all of this but his defense of Slooneis is bothersome.

How would you describe my role in all this?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:40 am MESS WITH THE BULL AND YOU GET THE HORNS