The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:34 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:07 pm [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

You care explaining this suspicion of me? Did I miss it?

Just a gut feeling

I think pyxxy has been pretty towny these last couple of posts

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:15 am Yes. There are 0 worlds where I will ever fake that level of genuine upset upsetness at a teammate in a game of mafia... ever.

It was real. It was not theatre.

oh i dont non w/w read the emotion

i non w/w read this

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:16 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

i also somehow feel neon and lucy aren't w/w because of this post

would be impossible to explain this even if i tried

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:14 am tutuu feels town tonight

@Porscha @Neon @tutuu do u have a wigly read

game start he felt towny, now he felt somewhere between gut scum and null for me after digesting thread

there's some posts of his i feel are towny, some posts i feel are w/w between him and seanzie and pyxxy, but i might be confbiased to justify my other gut scumreads on seanzie and pyxxy i dunno

i think sheep is pretty similar to how he was while hydraing with me but i dont know him at all as scum

bereft said they're familiar. if bereft had a townread on sheep - it might be safe to townread sheep

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:19 am if lucy is mafia i think her most likely partner is neon

i found more neon posts on page .... um.

page 31

that also seemed non w/w

so ill just take lucy as town

she can always be in wolf range but - what can u do. probabilities and all

Wait... what is this trying to say

If Lucy is mafia it's with me

But me and Lucy are never aligned

I... don't understand this

u had an earlier post i thought was non w/w. then i thought if lucy is mafia it has to be with you. then i found more posts from u that i thought are non w/w

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:03 am How am I different here?

im neither agreeing or disagreeing - im not invested in the bereft post re: you. it just reminded me of people mentioning im playing differently so it felt relevant to post bout it

-t

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:41 am it does feel pretty nice to stretch my legs. having a bit more posts for myself. can write a dumb shitpost or two. mmmm. *stretches legs*

it does feel pretty nice to stretch my legs. having a bit more posts for myself. can write a dumb shitpost or two. mmmm. *stretches legs*

14 players is cool because if doc gets a save, town gets an extra chop, but if doc dies without any saves, town doesnt lose any chops

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:36 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:35 am syn and le petit both come from the same community CFC so there's that

if pyxxy and syn are both town - is raskol still the n1 kill?

so one of pyxxy and syn is probably mafia

-10000 level thinking here but

really?

coming from the same community part? yeah

syn invited le petit to goc. but then syn got absorbed into the hydra abomination, and raskol thought syn ditched him

syn and le petit both come from the same community CFC so there's that

if pyxxy and syn are both town - is raskol still the n1 kill?

so one of pyxxy and syn is probably mafia

-10000 level thinking here but

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:32 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:32 am is it selfish if it comes down to syn vs lucy if i just sheep one of my townreads? maybe but i just. dont think id like to choose. i just know i will choose wrong

porscha/cape tr me
rondo sr's me

if eod was in 3 minutes id be voting syn, sorry rondo

is it selfish if it comes down to syn vs lucy if i just sheep one of my townreads? maybe but i just. dont think id like to choose. i just know i will choose wrong

RondoDimBuckle
Cape90
Porscha

lucy
Syn
(i specifically want you two in your own separate tier of townreads :smiling_imp_emoji:

falcon45ca
Neon

Sheep
DrWilgy

pyxxy
Seanzie

-t

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:27 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:27 am i dont remember if i read pages between 31 and 34 i forgot. i feel like im a lucid dream right now. pretty sleep deprived

did you read eod1 d1 and see the flip?

yeah

i dont remember if i read pages between 31 and 34 i forgot. i feel like im a lucid dream right now. pretty sleep deprived

is pyxxy towny?

a level 0 thought is that raskol died coz he voted pyxxy

shrug emoji

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:24 am god i hate this gamestate and 3 votes on me, feels like i'm a worm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:23 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:20 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:19 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:18 amWhy

i found the observation good because i agreed with it

it cemented my townread on u coz u said something agreeable and it felt towny to me, i dunno

Damn that's really all it takes to enter pocket eh

I actually wonder if you're trying to pocket me

nah im just replying to everything with my honest thoughts, and whatever happens happens

i should probably shift my meta towards being consistently tryhard so that when i finally rand scum i can have an easy excuse to tryhard and carry

if i encourage a meta of me slacking and derping as town ill have to replicate that as scum and that will be bad. and if i tryhard as scum the stark difference will be noted. so that would be bad for me

but i just dont ... cant rly tryhard right now, not this game. maybe later if we're really behind, i can try my best

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:36 pm Tutuu feels like the town Tutuu I've played with but that's easily fakeable meta read anyways

my post here is unrelated to your line neon, but u just made me remember how much town ive randed in a row

i dont actually know, but im pretty sure it has to be around 30 at this point. not joking. i have had 2 scum games, everything else was town. in the near 10k posts my account has

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:18 amWhy

i found the observation good because i agreed with it

it cemented my townread on u coz u said something agreeable and it felt towny to me, i dunno

if lucy is mafia i think her most likely partner is neon

i found more neon posts on page .... um.

page 31

that also seemed non w/w

so ill just take lucy as town

she can always be in wolf range but - what can u do. probabilities and all

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:16 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:15 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

i find the "But anyways..." line scummy

earlier i scumread raskol for "???" (yea i know. im just saying whats going thru my mind)

If you read it with the intent to humble instead of distract I dont feel like it's weird
But is that the best way to read it? Unsure

good observation and it cements my townread on you

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

i also somehow feel neon and lucy aren't w/w because of this post

would be impossible to explain this even if i tried

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

i find the "But anyways..." line scummy

earlier i scumread raskol for "???" (yea i know. im just saying whats going thru my mind)

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:09 am an idea

what if lucy and syn are both town, and their playstyles are moon and day, and they dislike each other, and that's influencing themselves to scumread each other, when in reality they just dislike each other's gameplay

(i could be wrong, just an idea)

i'm not the one you have to convince

im not sure if im right, and i dont feel confident in influencing this gamestate crossvote thing with my opinion

but just for argument's sake, if i were to feel confident - i would have to convince you, because you tried to convince porscha earlier, so you aren't a passive participant

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm Wow, where did this pyxxy wagon come from?

am i the only one finding sean scummy? i find this post scummy too

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:01 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:57 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:56 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:55 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:10 am if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape

@Porscha @tutuu

You can already see worlds where syn is scum

You yanking my chain here?

i’m biased as fuck and i know i am and i’m annoyed at that

I just dont quite understand why you're saying some things at all
Like you're just saying shit to say it
"Ah chop syn so I can see worlds where he is wolf" already kinda weird but ok, then
*proceeds to see worlds he is wolf* cool so then why do we have to chop him for you start seeing anything

because i'm fucking stuck and i'm basically forced into this cross between me and syn and i'm kind of forced to scumread him. it's not a fucking organic read, it's contrived as shit. instead here i am basically forced into seeing a world where someone who has done NOTHING in this game except me is scum, it's hard to say that he is with confidence or anything else. ideally after a flip or two i would see if he's been townsiding or wolf siding after that but i don't have the luxury and i'm forced to prematurely evaluate him

an idea

what if lucy and syn are both town, and their playstyles are moon and day, and they dislike each other, and that's influencing themselves to scumread each other, when in reality they just dislike each other's gameplay

(i could be wrong, just an idea)

i cant sleep i feel like im in limbo right now. might finally be able to fix my sleep schedule if i just endure whole day awake. back to page 29

drwilgy made some better posts. pyxxy still looks scummy to me. seanzie's posts i didnt have an opinion for

if i participated at yesterday's eod i would have voted pyxxy

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:02 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:59 am @DrWilgy

if MY girl and Spright Carrot are both drowning and I can only save one you can catch me at my girl’s funeral detaching 1 from gigantic special summoning Blue TO ADD CARROT TO MY HAND AND THEN SPECIAL SUMMONING CARROT TO THE FIELD

The lion tamer went on break, I see

smol smol

@DrWilgy

if MY girl and Spright Carrot are both drowning and I can only save one you can catch me at my girl’s funeral detaching 1 from gigantic special summoning Blue TO ADD CARROT TO MY HAND AND THEN SPECIAL SUMMONING CARROT TO THE FIELD

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:55 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:10 am if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape

@Porscha @tutuu

alright, thanks, when i have more energy ill see whats my play in response to this

(note to self - read from start of page 29)

i dont have anything else to add atp

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

is this a bad vote? did they become towncore? i dont see anyone voting them today or yesterday

admittedly i have no justification other than gut

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:40 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:05 pm The three question marks at the end are scummy

towny post

scum mad coz im townreading myself

Kinda feels like Tutuu has TMI here.

from what I saw, Seanzie made this joke read and Seanzie said that you were too focused this game compared to Cartomacy (whatever that means lol). If you left out arguments in your ISO tutuu I will be susp of that

if i left out arguments? i dont follow sorry

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:38 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:19 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:21 am rondo
cape
neon

bereft
sheep
falcon

wilgy
lucy
pyxxy
porscha
seanzie
syn
le petit

maybe i should stop touching it coz it seems to be getting worse and worse

Deep greens are correct,
Sheep shouldn't be bright green
The rest is accurate with maybe the exception of Porscha. Porscha should probably be higher up.

what do you make of me being at the end of the POE when they have basically no case? (and when asked about it, they said they were sheeping Cape (who didn't read my posts correctly afaict))

It doesn't really do anything... I'm at the top of yellow and asked why and the response was "too busy atm solving elsewhere"

Takes credo away from the yellows all in all. Makes them feel that they are there to be there.

The reason I interacted with this was mainly due to the dissonance in Bereft and Sheep being higher than other players.

u were at the top of the yellow due to post count. they werent ordered. i just wrote ur names while looking at the screenshot i took earlier of the post counts. le petit was also at the bottom of my yellows due to post count

earlier i had a gut feeling that seanzie, wilgy, and pyxxy are the mafia

cant really explain it though, just a gut feeling

cape's posts are pretty long and im skipping over them, apologies. i have u as town

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:00 pm Neon is not playing like they did in Cartomancy, and if I take their selfmeta description at face value, then they are more likely to be wolf than town, independently of anything I have said about them wrt Lucy.

i know that i am responding to a dead player but i wanna voice my take on this

i think neon is town, but bereft could be right that neon is mafia for this. i dont know. im not disproving his argument for neon specifically

independently of that though, i just know that, for me, cartomancy was ... some time ago. i dont remember

goc was a pretty long game. 22 days. everyone here played it. that was a whole marathon. plenty of time to adapt and change in some way, at least thats how it shaped up for me. might be relevant to @Syn and @Porscha

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:41 am (note, this same argument is being used to scumread me by syn and i believe maybe by porscha, and while i am town, i also think its a good argument, so maybe its not wrong on seanzie)

this was a pretty towny line

sorry that i keep saying it

jk im not sorry at all its so funny

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:54 pm Can someone tldr me the case on Neon? Their ISO is too long for me to read right now and I don't remember anything about the pinging me at any point.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:56 pm How does Wilgy have over 100 posts?

arent these posts just scummy? in general, and also for seanzie

my impression of seanzie is he finds a read he likes to push and pushes it, not caring about stuff

since when does sean get so cordial and ask people and engage in teamwork?

(note, this same argument is being used to scumread me by syn and i believe maybe by porscha, and while i am town, i also think its a good argument, so maybe its not wrong on seanzie)

bet bet, ty lucy

so looks like in the cases when there's 1 death only, the possibilities are:

1) doc targeted town, did not heal them, mafia successfully killed another town or the doctor
2) doc dying to their own role and also getting NKed by mafia at the same time
3) mafia rolestopping their own NK, doc dying to own role
4) doc getting rolestopped, mafia killing whoever (probably addendum to the first possibility)

when there's 2 deaths, its always

-doc targets mafia, maf kills another town

OP doesnt say if mafia can holster NK or not so i dont know, dont care

if doctor targeted mafia lucy there would be 2 deaths, most of the time

it is also always possible that the mafia holsters, or they rolestop themselves

im not sure if they can holster but im pretty sure they can rolestop their own NK

so if there is only one death at night, it is always technically mechanically possible its the doctor, and mafia didnt NK

just something to keep in mind

very finnicky setup

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:28 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:25 pm Hey - just popping in to say i wont be participating for this eod - sorry!

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Ive never in my life deliberately planned to end the day without voting, but i dont want to be making an uninformed vote. I have no real scumreads

Apologies if this is anti-town, it just feels better than a random vote to me, and i will participate and vote in all future eods

how do you think you get reads if not through death?

can you explain? you should know why i did this, right?

@Sheep whats your read on me?