The Syndicate

I wonder who is pyxxy attached to

Well it does say permanent. Wolves could have temporary. I dunno

Whoever dies and goes on the other side please tell them about deltas flip

Like, copy it in your notes imo

At least the part where it says that Delta is the only player who can view both threads at all times. This info might be very relevant to finding wolves. We thought that wolves could see both threads

We were told tsp was a bus driver first

Then a redirector

Now a custom role with something to do with true identity

Whats next? Bereft is gonna tell us he was a goon?

Is TSP the Johnny Sins of mafia?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:48 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:24 pm Alright then, u guys all want this so

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

I am quite lost

I just think things are muddy regardless of the LC mech revelation. We just don’t know much and are waiting on more specific mech info. We know wolves have to have some sort of PRs, it’s not just chocolate goons on our side of the pond

Also I might have missed it, but am I inferring this right?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:56 pm Delta is definitely 3p!

LC very towny.

Tell other thread I roleblocked leetic.

Ping me if questions.

See you tomorrow!

is this a different power than LC’s? We’ve already seen roles not be identically linked (tsp’s whatever it was vs ilario’s goon) so I wouldn’t assume LC’s role would be the same as his link. Does this mean WWA was a straight role blocker?

I dunno

People say roleblock a lot when they offensively use jailkeeper on a scumread. Long con also kept referring to his action as a roleblock

Delta could have townsided from his first post and we'd be living in utopia rn but noooooooo lil bro just had to lie and scumside!

I have no idea whats happening anymore

Alright then, u guys all want this so

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

I am quite lost

I dont think alexy and scottys play makes sense as a wolf team

What if when u do an action on a person it impacts them in both games

Non killing action

Like LC blocking Scotty n1. Scottys partner also gets jailkept in the other thread

Like thematically that fits

Well if pyxxy is telling the truth (bereft would tell us if pyxxy wa mafia right?)

Mafia on that side can obtain name of partner. That was the role, right?

Deltas flip told us mafia cant read the other thread themselves. But if they can obtain the name - they can probably do something with it right? Coz town sure cant

So sure, mafia impacting other thread could be a real possibility

Perhaps theres also a chance that like. We have a townsided setup and they have a scumsided setup? Coz ... I dunno why. Coz we are the fake people in the experiment? Lol i dunno

Also who was Berefts partner?

If we ignore mech completely id go for lime coke + wilgy

But i dont think i can. I dunno. Syndicate can have wild mech

Scottys role doesnt sound fitting to me

He claimed a redirector that cant redirect the factional kill

Ok, then what can he redirect? Mafia has nothing apart from potentially a roleblocker? One of them was goon, potentially two are

Well i suppose in that case if hes town his role is purposefully weak? I dunno

Is anyone else a power role?

Socially i mega townread scotty ftr but mechanically i cant ignore the two power role stuff stuff

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:43 am @Bereft what did TSP flip? @pyxxy do you remember in more detail?

Also was he x-shot?

Psv should be town, i think its correct to bet the game on it

Alexy not being here is scary but oh well

Like theres a lot of permutations of the wolf team lmao

Monroe is town, i tr psv and cape. Thats it

Scotty alexy wilgy lime make a lot of variable wolf teams and we can only make one mistake feelsbadman

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:32 pm [VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

Also town masons + watcher + redirector + jailkeeper and mafia having no power roles is impossible. It's beyond broken and townsided.

Alexy + Scotty both town means we are living in this setup:

Town:

Mason
Mason
Jailkeeper
Redirector
Watcher
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT

Mafia:
Roleblocker
Goon
Goon(?) (No evidence of action)

3p

This is a beyond ridiculously townsided setup

So, I think it's safe to say there should be at least one mafia in Scotty and Alexy

This setup seems silly to me

Ofc there could be wild mech we cant know about or control

Anyway - i dont think the roleblock thing is outing for Scotty

Regardless of his alignment i think he'd claim only if its true on his end imo

Same for Alexy

But i am very suspicious of the fact that there is a ton of town pr claims (none of which ended up making a verifiable pro-town impact) and no signs of mafia power roles

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:42 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:28 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:09 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

Why did you start talking in an exaggerated tone today?

@Bereft what did TSP flip? @pyxxy do you remember in more detail?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:38 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:37 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:35 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:30 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:57 am Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I agree with the cape tr i just need to tr him, don't have luxury to consider chopping him imo. We have room for 1 mistake only

I don't exactly know what this means considering your readslist a day ago looked like

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:44 pm DM
tutuu

Long Con
PSV

Scotty
Alexy

Cape
Lime Coke

Wilgy
Delta

this

Yeah and?

if you agree with the TR on me, doesn't that make me... a townread? I do not get it

I cant go back in time and change my readlist retroactively. I made that one while thinking delta is mafia

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:06 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:47 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm My running theory was TSP redirected LC from the other thread for some reason. But that is also VERY random, as LC hadn’t claimed anything at that point, and why wouldn’t TSP do something in his own thread.

what if actions one side also happen other side to target's headmate

ex TSP drove WWA and...a scummate?

ah yes of course, I ruin my big reveal with a broken quote. EBWOP

Ohhh I see I had the same thing happen. Rip



Also wow; that’s not a bad theory and i love it

if true. TSP role says targeter gets true target. then LC's true target's headmate is scum in the other thread?

Wait, what does true target mean? I was under the impression that I have the same role redirector over here, but I don’t have anything mentioning ‘true target’

I lost other thread access on death but like

"pick two. actions swap. _action person gets name of true target_"

Wtf this is different from what wwa told us

Why cant people give reliable info

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:35 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:30 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:57 am Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I agree with the cape tr i just need to tr him, don't have luxury to consider chopping him imo. We have room for 1 mistake only

I don't exactly know what this means considering your readslist a day ago looked like

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:44 pm DM
tutuu

Long Con
PSV

Scotty
Alexy

Cape
Lime Coke

Wilgy
Delta

this

Yeah and?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:47 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm My running theory was TSP redirected LC from the other thread for some reason. But that is also VERY random, as LC hadn’t claimed anything at that point, and why wouldn’t TSP do something in his own thread.

what if actions one side also happen other side to target's headmate

ex TSP drove WWA and...a scummate?

ah yes of course, I ruin my big reveal with a broken quote. EBWOP

Ohhh I see I had the same thing happen. Rip



Also wow; that’s not a bad theory and i love it

if true. TSP role says targeter gets true target. then LC's true target's headmate is scum in the other thread?

True target? Can you share the full flip?

Fwiw flavorwise we are all fake people. The ppl in the other thread are the true people id say

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:12 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:32 pm @DrWilgy Please don't come guns blazing at me, we might need to consider a world where we're both town

Sure, what did you think on those who were full steam ahead with your suspicion on me? I noticed at least LC, LC, Scotty and Cape were like "ahhh yes yes this makes sense" and not much beyond.

Did anyone besides you actually assess my vote placement when it happened?

Everyone agreed that your action was identical to what you did as wolf before

I don't think thats what makes you scummy ftr. As town u are expected to vote wolves too. It just made me not townread u for the ilario vote, and the scumread came from your other reads

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:57 am Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I agree with the cape tr i just need to tr him, don't have luxury to consider chopping him imo. We have room for 1 mistake only

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:06 am Lime and Scotty/Alexy is where im at if there’s 2 other wolves. If there’s only one, im thinking Lime.

I doubt only one wolf left unless a broken hidden PR. Mafia has had no evident mechanical impact this game beside potential rb on lc n1. And deltas flip told us (i think) they cant interact in other thread

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:35 pm Alexy can still be wolf- a mafia watcher, I guess. Seems like a watered down role for mafia, but I’m sure there is a mafia equivalent. Honestly? Could be a mafia equivalent of all power roles. Like if Long Con’s mafia equivalent targeted him on N1.

Presumably 6v2 right now in this thread. Misyeet gets down to 4v2, which is mylo.

If one of me or alexy take to the torch, how confident are we in successfully navigating mylo once you learn we weren’t lying

Id just try my best, hopefully we chop a wolf today

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:13 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm No.

Alexy said he saw me visit psv N1.

I confirmed that.

Longcon said he blocked me.

You being mafia and Alexy being town should be a self-explanatory mechanical possibility. We keep discussing the possibility of Long Con being roleblocked. Which is that. Long Con doesn't know if he's roleblocked. You don't know if your action goes through. Alexy could be town regardless of your alignment. From her pov - you visited. From your pov - you think you visited, but you can't know for sure. From LC's pov - he thinks he blocked you, but he can't know for sure.

It is very implausible that I failed. Very implausible. Alexy saw me visit, so LC’s action didn’t work in some way.

That’s the mechanical truth.

Now obviously that’s *my* truth, since you don’t know if alexy and I are in on it.

My running theory was TSP redirected LC from the other thread for some reason. But that is also VERY random, as LC hadn’t claimed anything at that point, and why wouldn’t TSP do something in his own thread.

So now, looking at the mech you’ve laid out, you say town is advantaged. Ok, with what we know, if that is the case, mafia’s gotta have some more powerful roles we haven’t seen. I’ll betcha the other thread has a town role blocker, and we still have a mafia role blocker over here. Since TSP had my role, and I’m town.

Tsp couldnt have impacted us from the other thread id say coz delta's flip told us that he was the only one who can read both threads

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:23 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:00 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:59 pm It's okay Tutuu just give me G2H who you think you vote the most today I'll try to help you with that.

Scotty or alexy should be optimal for today, i laid out a ton of arguments at sod, i couldnt catch a chance to even read scottys responses tho, i saw he replied to 5 things

Please stop humoring Lime Coke. The guy is openly trolling at this point. He isn’t solving- he is absolutely not working in town’s interest

Why is he trolling lmao what happened? Reading now

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:59 pm It's okay Tutuu just give me G2H who you think you vote the most today I'll try to help you with that.

Scotty or alexy should be optimal for today, i laid out a ton of arguments at sod, i couldnt catch a chance to even read scottys responses tho, i saw he replied to 5 things

Mfw they didnt turn on the electricity in the train, im travelling for 8 hours now and I can't charge my phone

Really unfortunate timing guys. Like i physically couldnt catch a break to read and play after my posts at start of day. I think ill manage to in like the last ... 14 hours left of day or so

Why does life has so many obligations

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:12 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:31 pm I AM FREE

I DID IT

QOWIEJWQOIEJWQOPEQ

i am a fucking idiot for procrastinating for the final moment again and again. but I DID it

in like ... 10 hours i learned how to use microsoft power bi and did some stuff with data tables and visualization and shit. chatgpt carried my ass so hard. BUT HE'S ALSO SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT. i need to explain to him like a fucking baby some stuff. and he can be so fucking wrong. but he also carried my ass. like i literally had to ask him "how to install microsoft power bi", i didnt know where the fuck do i get this from, do i need to pirate it or is it free or what. god damn. its over now. its in the past ....

Power bi is hard to use imo. Good shit doing it.

thanks sweetheart

I AM FREE

I DID IT

QOWIEJWQOIEJWQOPEQ

i am a fucking idiot for procrastinating for the final moment again and again. but I DID it

in like ... 10 hours i learned how to use microsoft power bi and did some stuff with data tables and visualization and shit. chatgpt carried my ass so hard. BUT HE'S ALSO SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT. i need to explain to him like a fucking baby some stuff. and he can be so fucking wrong. but he also carried my ass. like i literally had to ask him "how to install microsoft power bi", i didnt know where the fuck do i get this from, do i need to pirate it or is it free or what. god damn. its over now. its in the past ....

I'm cramming for an exam, deadline in 12 hours, be back after that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm So either we’re both lying or long con was redirected/blocked. That’s how I see it.

Oh you mentioned it here. Well yes, that's my point.

So what's up with you saying no? It sounds like yes to me. Like it's a possibility

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm No.

Alexy said he saw me visit psv N1.

I confirmed that.

Longcon said he blocked me.

You being mafia and Alexy being town should be a self-explanatory mechanical possibility. We keep discussing the possibility of Long Con being roleblocked. Which is that. Long Con doesn't know if he's roleblocked. You don't know if your action goes through. Alexy could be town regardless of your alignment. From her pov - you visited. From your pov - you think you visited, but you can't know for sure. From LC's pov - he thinks he blocked you, but he can't know for sure.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:32 pm [VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

Also town masons + watcher + redirector + jailkeeper and mafia having no power roles is impossible. It's beyond broken and townsided.

Alexy + Scotty both town means we are living in this setup:

Town:

Mason
Mason
Jailkeeper
Redirector
Watcher
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT

Mafia:
Roleblocker
Goon
Goon(?) (No evidence of action)

3p

This is a beyond ridiculously townsided setup

So, I think it's safe to say there should be at least one mafia in Scotty and Alexy

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:45 pm If I’m mafia, I’m not killing LC, I’m killing you last night.

Why? I claimed VT. Darling Monroe is confirmed mason. And why would you not kill Long Con, he really wanted you dead? Anyway asking and answering this doesn't matter, if you are Mafia of course you'd lie, so

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:41 pm I am only wolf in a world where I am partners with alexy.

No, there is a world you are mafia and Alexy is town

Scotty - Mafia Redirector + Wilgy Mafia Roleblocker who blocked Long Con N1

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:41 pm I’d rather chop Lime Coke, who is happy to just vote Wilgy here. Talk about someone just sleepwalking through this game

Did you not just do the exact same thing? Is this not hypocritical? Why is it scummy for Lime Coke but not for you?

I think there is a world where Alexy is mafia and Scotty is town. From town Scotty's pov, he did attempt to target PSV (or as it DM? doesn't matter). Long Con stopped him. So in this case Alexy is the liar for claiming Scotty successfully visited his target. (Why would she lie about this though? I don't know, it makes no sense to me)

Is there a world where only Scotty is mafia and Alexy is town? I don't think so right? No there is - only if Long Con was roleblocked by Mafia n1.

So that world would be exactly Scotty - Mafia Redirector + Wilgy Mafia Roleblocker who blocked Long Con N1

So Alexy isn't necessarily the optimal choice

Scotty over Alexy could be better. It depends. Like it depends on social reads, there's no clear mechanical better first chop here imo

No hammer so I don't need to overthink it yet

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

In either case something really ridiculous happened this game

Either:

1) Mafia randomly blocked Long Con n1, town Alexy claimed for realistically no reason, which caused town Scotty and town Long Con to claim and a whole mess began over nothing

or

2) mafia Alexy and mafia Scotty randomly decided to claim false actions for no reason, under no real pressure, only to get outed by a basic Mafia role that they should know could be possible (tracking, roleblocking, etc)

In either case this is absurd lol

@DrWilgy Please don't come guns blazing at me, we might need to consider a world where we're both town

[VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

Also town masons + watcher + redirector + jailkeeper and mafia having no power roles is impossible. It's beyond broken and townsided.

Long Con did die over a Mason, so. Really bad look for Scotty + Alexy.

Like if you're Mafia, and Scotty and Alexy both town, you just kill the mason there, and leave Long Con alive to mischop them

[v]Alexy[/v]

I haven't thought yet which one first is better, I thought about it earlier but I forgot. Like are there worlds where only one is mafia?

Delta chose to play as a wolf imo, he could have townsided from the start and imo it would have been better for both him and us.

Scotty and/or Alexy should be considered

One of them or both could be Mafia (I'm unsure yet chopping which one first is optimal), unless Mafia exactly roleblocked Long Con N1.

Wilgy could also be Mafia (mechanically) with either Scotty or Alexy anyway, even if Long Con was blocked N1

So we have the most equity chopping Alexy or Scotty today imo. If either of them flips town (and we can derive the info that Long Con was blocked n1) -> then we can sleep at MyLo, and chop Wilgy at LyLo imo

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:07 pm Hopefully someone cool joined our ranks here to give us more insight

RIP Long Con and WWA

Guess we don’t have any more protectives here. I used my last shot last night

What did you do last night?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:09 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?