The Syndicate

outed wolf wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:37 pm yes i am wolfing

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:42 pm how does syn look at a POE that includes a total of 3 names (syn, dyachei, SPF) 2 of which he thinks are town, and one of which he has vaguely alluded to being suspicious of, and conclude that it "takes care" of the rest of his POE?

nothing makes sense

outed wolf + syn
lock it in
for the win
put them in the bin
wolfing like sin
you think that's a schwinn

outed wolf + syn
lock it in
for the win
put them in the bin
wolfing like sin
you think that's a schwinn

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:19 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:24 am @Syn you have anything resembling a scumread yet? i'll take anything
I offered a POE and got laughed at

although now everyone else's POE "if dya and syn are town" is now the POE I gave, so guess it's not that funny anymore

wait, what is your poe?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:19 am
Spoiler: show
SPF hasn't selfvoted yet. Sus.

Amy's town. Early comfort in the thread, and the read on Zack has a level of nuance I wouldn't expect from a wolf on page 1. It doesn't look like Amy's forcing herself to make a nuanced read for townpoints. It has a natural buildup/progression.

Hally calling it a push on Zack and V-leaning Amy for it is interesting. I didn't see it as a push, per se, just an early scumread. Fmpov she's overestimating the value of Amy's post.

Some part of my brain tells me Hally is conscious about her teammate, Zack, getting scumread. Would explain why she's placating Amy in that world; but I dislike preflips, so. Might come back to it later.

I tonally like outed wolf's response to Hally's post there. SPF townreads it, though, and later calls c4e town based on them voting her.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:46 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:43 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time
town
This mean you know why?
not really - i just see that you're being coy about your reasoning for finding me suspicious and keeping your cards close to your chest, which is the direct inverse of how you approached the early game as a wolf in CoV, which makes me think that youre probably just playing from a villager mindset

(you also agreed with me about arete's vote being vaguely towny even though i did not put that thought into the thread and decided to keep it to myself)
This is too far out there. Her extrapolating so much from that post looks like TMI. Saying SPF is sus for not selfvoting was a meme, but her being quick to townread both c4e and Hally is wolfy. Neither deserves early townreads for their posting. Especially not Hally, who SPF has experience with as both alignments.

Zack notices that about SPF, but his take is "wolf writes a post they think sounds good," not "wolf TMIng c4e/Hally (?)." Still like the fact he chose to point that out, though he isn't committing. V lean.

SPF calling nutella nervous also feels like a conclusion drawn too early. It being instantly sheeped is another thing.

I like the spark in nutella's response to SPF wolfreading her. No defensiveness, a lot of snark, plus an unrelated wolfread showing she's solving. Her wolfread isn't predicated on the people voting/pushing her, either. SPF's treatment of nutella is another story. Below is another post that I read a few times and keep getting the impression SPF knows nutella's town. Mostly about the language she uses. Relevant parts bolded.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:22 pm
no, you are still misconstruing literally everything i said and everything i tried to explain in the very response you are quoting

stop twisting my words

you said my post was suspicious because of "nervous energy" or something and i've explained that that is because of my efforts to conserve posts and the fact that doing so is incredibly unnatural for me and makes the tone of my posts sound unnatural

so no, i haven't misrepresented your reasoning, i've acknowledged it

and i did not call dya wolfy so stop fucking implying i did, that's really uh. un-- well. the u word. you know the one
so, to recap, the wording of your original post was this:

"ah yes putting multiy thoughts in one post is wolfy for me, it is known

dya however has multiple posts with zero thoughts

there is a cap of 100 with no lift"

the reasoning here is that if it's wolfy for you to put multiple thoughts into one post, it's also wolfy for dyachei to make multiple posts with zero thoughts, yes? you are drawing a contrast between dyachei and yourself, and saying that people should be looking at dyachei instead of you if they're looking for wolfy behavior, right?

if that's not what you mean to say, then i do apologize for misconstruing your words, but i don't really see any other way to interpret that post. you are not saying that you personally find dyachei wolfy, but you are attempting to draw attention to behavior from dyachei that looks wolfy, yes?

to recap further, when you said the following:

"ah yes putting multiy thoughts in one post is wolfy for me, it is known"

you were characterizing the reasoning for people scumreading you as being about your attempts to condense your posts, when the real reason was ~nervousness~. i understand that you are saying that you sounding tonally off is a byproduct of you attempting to conserve your posts, but you have to admit that you made a bit of an extrapolation there, yes? you used hyperbolized language to describe what you perceived as the real reason people were scumreading you for, and then used that as the foundation for your argument. that's why i called it a "misrepresentation"

i don't really see the point in getting bogged down in a discussion like this, so we should probably table it here, but i am put off by the aggressiveness and i felt like it was important to make this post and explain my perspective, because we are clearly miscommunicating incredibly badly if we're both town

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:29 pm nutella is a villager
what makes you think so?
Alison's opening is ~fine? I had a thought about it but it disappeared, and this annoys me. Her take that sunbae/bronana/outed wolf contains a wolf based on the nutella push is decent on the surface. Don't agree with bronana being mafia, though. Their evaluation of SPF's post on page 1 is a villagery thought and I'm comfortable V reading them for having it.

Amy's posts are still super towny as I continue to read. How large is her scumrange?

SPF and Hally both vote Gavial. I actually agree. I was going to say that in this post but I see other people said it first. I've played many games with Gavial and caught him as a wolf several times, can link the games if you'd like. His play in this game so far looks squarely in wolf meta. The only concern I have is that it's SPF and Hally who pointed that out.

SPF's been posting lots more words. I'm beginning to think my initial scumread is a playstyle thing more than anything else. I should probably go read her CoV ISO for #reasons.

@nutella Where's the massive KZA townread coming from? Their posts didn't give me any impression whatsoever.

Didn't like Sunbae's initial posts but their posting this page has been good. Very high complexity of thought. I wolfread them in MU anni last year precisely because their thoughts didn't have that iirc. And because I disagreed with their takes a lot. Sunbae's take on Alison here is pretty good and I see where Sunbae's coming from.

Okay I'm done.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

If they're town I should know this by EoD.

Same with Arete. Right now I'm null. Don't think anything they've done so far is out of their wolfrange. And you shouldn't underestimate Arete's wolfrange.

did vulgard really make this long ass opening post purely making reads on villagers? that doesn't seem right

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:38 am i need to sleep but i cant stop refreshing the thread lol

me: put the phone down, time to sleep

me two minutes later:

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:08 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:38 am if syn is town PROBABLY Arete but idfk
i think bronana is a wolf if both chloe and dyachei are town actually

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:39 amzack is town

why? to both of you

i found this random gif on google and i like to think it's legolas being flabbergasted by aragorn's aggressive seer cover

[VOTE: arete] aubergine

@outed wolf

thread has the mouthfeel of a bunch of villagers fighting over pointless crap cause they're bored

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:14 amit's obvious that his playstyle as a wolf requires him to wax poetic and write a million paragraphs about specific players

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:06 am
bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:01 am re-read d3 nutella

when vulgard was trying to post his way out of the peek and people were turning to his side and saying maybe he's town i shut him down and told him to stuff it

look at how he treats me all game

calling me more likely w/w with vulgard than arete is bonkers
I think aretes pov is just clearly uninformed tbh

Like I considered vulgard v worlds for a bit

and could argue that you could be wolf with tmi figuring he'd be going down that day anyway and positioning well

but i dont really think that's the case, I think you're far more likely a villabro with strong instincts

meh, maybe would still vote arete before you if it got to that point, but i feel like it just won't

no way i make noise questioning the arete/vulgard godread thing if arete is V and imma wolf

sure distancing is a thing but thats just gross negligence, vulgard was in zero trouble and getting strongly townread by a villager claiming a godread? why would i mess with that lol, i'm not the type of wolf who's obssessed with being right about everything

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:04 am nutella, zack, back me up here, lets make this day spicy if nothing else, put some meaning into today

pound sand nerd

i honestly cannot tell how serious you are being here, it feels like you are trolling

re-read d3 nutella

when vulgard was trying to post his way out of the peek and people were turning to his side and saying maybe he's town i shut him down and told him to stuff it

look at how he treats me all game

calling me more likely w/w with vulgard than arete is bonkers

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:54 am i dont think visor is ~ever wolf with vulgard here and don't think arete is either. would go bronana before either. but my gut tells me spf is the pick for deepwolf

how is arete never a wolf with vulgard???

their d3 play was blatantly pro-wolf, it served the wolf agenda

look i am sorry if they are town and this makes them feel bad but come on, clearing them for that is insane

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:48 am
bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:46 am what do you think of the possibility of arete/syn
part of me wants to just clear arete for the vulgard stuff though i dont super like it

syn posts not really doing it for me so i can see that

i mean its theoretically possible i guess

what do you think about it?

i don't know what syn is doing but he doesn't seem to really be solving that much and i have issues with the previous occupants of the slot and also vulgard treated them in a partner-y way

arete's stuff (this day, this game in general) is not doing a ton for me and their d3 just feels wack and agenda-driven. I have a hard time believing they genuinely believed "vulgard is 99% a villager" and that it was good village play to hard shield him and go nuts on sunbae. like, wtf, that made no sense for sunbae to do that as a wolf, how can you be so arrogant about your townread on vulgard in that situation? seems wild to me

what do you think of the possibility of arete/syn

wolfy over-explanation

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:28 am
bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:10 am it's possible i'm clearing visor too easily, i am sponging sunbae a lot on that one

the unexplained "i now think dya is a villager" after he tunneled them for the whole game weirds me out
i only did it to see what people would say lol

guess i shoudlve expanded it out

yeah i figured that was reasonably likely

this is the point where people get bored and/or paranoid cause the thread's been so stagnant

plus he didn't respond at all to me posting bonito-pasta

highly suspicious

it's possible i'm clearing visor too easily, i am sponging sunbae a lot on that one

the unexplained "i now think dya is a villager" after he tunneled them for the whole game weirds me out

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:38 am if syn is town PROBABLY Arete but idfk
i think bronana is a wolf if both chloe and dyachei are town actually

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:39 amzack is town

why? to both of you

Arete wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:12 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:08 am
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:39 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:37 am idk
it seems like everyone's wim is low, so my motivation to put in a lot of work is lacking too
not even a whole page in the 10 hours since i slept

prob go syn after dyachei if they are wolf
probably spf if dya is town unless dya has any specific direction they want us to go

isnt outed wolf ur top wolfread? why do u agree w/this post when it doesn't mention killing your number one wolfread at any point in the near future?
isn't the nodding head dude, like, always sarcastic

wait, you don't know who jack nicholson is?

Can we yeet scum tonight guys.

I'm finally home, semi-naked, laptop resting on my moist, muscular thighs, ready to up my game by 14.6%.

Vulgard's ISO next...

can you post a readslist spf?

i said "what on earth. how does that make marl a villager?" so you thinking it was about sunbae makes me a little paranoid about how closely you were actually reading these interactions

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:43 pm puts vulgard near the top of his townleans on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 33#p798633. (i’d like to hear a little more from zack about this - what inspired him to townread vulgard after he was so baffled by vulgard’s reasoning for townreading sunbae?).

The bafflement was about vulgard's townread on marl, not sunbae. It was a truly ridiculous reason.

a d1 readslist from me is more accurately "who i'm down to kill today" than real reads. Vulgard was plainly putting in effort to solve, even if I didn't agree with him, lots of other people were saying he was towny, good enough for me. There's a limit on how much I can truly delve into each player in the early days of a 17er, which is part of why the picture becomes much clearer as the number of living players shrinks. (Also why it's so key to have a good d1 as scum, first impressions are huge and the momentum of being widely townread d1 carries forward in big ways the rest of the game.)

On d2 the only reason I townread him at all was literally arete's supposed godread, and even then they singled me out when voicing displeasure about people doubting said godread.

Amy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:16 am
bronana wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:42 am i hardclaim tracker
so you saw me visit your mom last night, then?

eh

idk, if I was a wolf with a PR read on hally I don't think I would make a post like that in the thread? you talk about that in wolf chat, not the game thread

vulgard was talking about tangy's readslist still on d3 yesterday as the reason to keep the slot out of the poe, and I don't know why a wolf would give a fuck about defending a villager in the poe on the basis of some reads list they posted on early/mid d1 being well constructed

I kind of want to say vulgard would have rolled over if there was a wolf fairly deep, but that might be a bad read

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:11 am
bronana wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:52 am idk what happened with my dya read d2 / n2, it's one of those things that in hindsight seems like a bad read for bad reasons that shouldn't have happened

i think my brain just malfunctions when i'm in the poe and i struggle to get a good grasp on things
were you villareading them?

not really, but I didn't really want to go there yet and got myself roped into defending them a bit

idk what happened with my dya read d2 / n2, it's one of those things that in hindsight seems like a bad read for bad reasons that shouldn't have happened

i think my brain just malfunctions when i'm in the poe and i struggle to get a good grasp on things

i hardclaim tracker

interesting

i do think spf's d3 was underwhelming

I got big "oops i pushed the wrong wolf vibes" from my d2 feelsbadman

maybe he kept me around as a suspect without really pushing for my death because he knew that dya flipping wolf was gonna make me look terrible (also applies to sunbae too)

i wish hally was still around to blast someone in the POE last night

but based on what marl said, it looks like vulgard was actually planning to go after c4 on day 3, not dya?

or hell, if wagons were v/v he could've pushed for the bronana cfd he was clearly hinting at. vulgard seemed weirdly preoccupied with not killing dya given his townread of alison and dya supposedly being much further down in his list

devil's advocate: maybe he thought it would make a super easy d3 to turbo v!dya after alison flips green, and that the converse was not necessarily the case.

devil's advocate to the devil's advocate: he knew that if dya flips wolf, the alison misyeet disappears as a possibility

somewhat related, i feel like the timing of vulgard turning on me roughly coincided with when i started making noise about wolfreading chloe, but I haven't checked the exact timing on that.

the amount of hand-wringing and justification for voting alison at the end seems strange if the wagons were v/v. In that case he could just make a point of taking a firm stance on either side since it doesn't matter (unless he thought there was genuine merit to c4's PR read of alison i suppose, but lol?)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:50 pm a conundrum ive been having is that i've found syn's posts within the last couple of hours to be ...mildly villagery? at the very least, syn didn't roll over and die like i expected him to - there was quite a lot of venom and passive aggressiveness in his attitude and i dont really know if that's how he would react if he and his partner had been caught and the game was essentially a lock

probably NAI

i don't see what you're making such a fuss about then, and yes I re-read your posts today

it certainly doesn't help me understand your perspective when your response to everything is filled with disdain and strong "what?? how could you be such an idiot??" undertones

do you think it's random shit or not?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:49 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:46 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:34 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:25 pm c4 are you trying to discern dizzy's alignment or pick a fight with him? it seems like the latter, dizzy's response was reasonable and idk why it "peeved" you so much, you are the one being aggressive calling their posts a bunch of fake poop
Nowhere am I calling his posts fake tf are you saying, I'm asking why everyone's hard clearing him and I'm not satisfied with the answers. I don't see how this wasn't clear.
you called it "random shit" several times which clearly implies fake to me
Those were in conditional statements that assumed Dizzy was a wolf
If Dizzy's a wolf, hopefully we can agree that was, in fact, random shit

that's a meaningless statement, you could say "x is random shit if they're a wolf" about pmuch anything. do you think it's random shit or not? that dizzy's a wolf or not?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:34 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:25 pm c4 are you trying to discern dizzy's alignment or pick a fight with him? it seems like the latter, dizzy's response was reasonable and idk why it "peeved" you so much, you are the one being aggressive calling their posts a bunch of fake poop
Nowhere am I calling his posts fake tf are you saying, I'm asking why everyone's hard clearing him and I'm not satisfied with the answers. I don't see how this wasn't clear.

you called it "random shit" several times which clearly implies fake to me

@staypositivefriend

do you have an updated/current read on c4?

c4 are you trying to discern dizzy's alignment or pick a fight with him? it seems like the latter, dizzy's response was reasonable and idk why it "peeved" you so much, you are the one being aggressive calling their posts a bunch of fake poop

nice mindmeld lol

like just compare that with how whenever vulgard said something i did was towny, he made up some bullshit why he didn't actually townread me

vulgard really said "a wolf wouldn't bother" saying

"the read is subject to volatility"
"light town read"
"not worried even if I should be"

as justification to townread tangy

:fry:

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:18 amI've been thinking about Zack lately (no sexual).

bronana spewed locktown

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