The Syndicate

gg

dvc / wolfchat?

yo tariq gimme some of that sauce my man

ngl i'm gonna be pretty annoyed if we waited an extra 72 hours doing nothing just for the wolves to win here anyway

Is this not ending early?

i bought enough glory to activate my ability that gives me 10 presence if i live to night 7

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] i agree to end day early

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:59 pm I think opposite is true, cayvie made her 3p claim super early, if she has poor quickness that’s a super ballsy and unnecessary thing to do if she’s scum cause there’s always the chance Town says “you’re not town we’re gonna kill you” yeah

I’m also not 100% sure she’s not actually mafia siding 3p tbh, whereas joe and Lissa are just outed

Agreed

Lolwolves

I didn't receive Macs role fwiw

Who should we kill first

the night always has a dead villager

i was just making a joke lol

i’m ready for this to be over

do your worst, foul wolves

how much presence do the wolves have?

ww is an inherently probabilistic game

I'm a little bewildered that Lissa registered my claim that I boost a certain stat for all villagers, accepted that Long Con was mechanically cleared because of it, and then claimed stats that outed herself

not sure if it was somehow intentional, slipped her mind, or what

long con, sorry for any frustration i have caused you in this game

you seem like a fun person

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:39 pm lissa is ~basically mechanically locked as wolf and that ~basically mechanically locks bronana town..... right? but what does this mean for lc (unless hes just trolling me)

mechanics aside, lissa is always a wolf from her posts eod6, barely posting afterwards, then sniping motobot at the last possible nanosecond while not posting. She's outed, for all intents and purposes.

Mac is also a wolf like 99% of the time

Long Con should be a villager, mechanically

I think cayvie is probably still a neutral who decided to wolfside for whatever reason

that leaves you, moth, nanook. If one of you is the third wolf, I'm not sure which one. Could all just be villagers, i dunno

I'm pretty sure it was a joke Nutella

can you please spoiler such a gruesome gif wtf

fuck this game

if lissa is somehow a villager here i'm gonna be sad

there are still a few little things making me doubt but hopefully it's as simple and straightforward as it seems and she's just a wolf

reminder that with the wolf win condition, it's probably a good idea for any villagers with sols to start loading up on presence

I'm not sure why I was suggested as a peek to begin with tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:52 pm I'd prefer checking you, Nanook. Surely you would like to be cleared, right?
I already basically am dude

Think about the worlds here...

If I were partners with Lissa...why would I call for joe to check between Lissa and bronana then leave him alive?

If there’s really 3p cayvie is certainly one of them...do you think this game started with 5 scum AND 1-2 3p, with one of those 3p as powerful as cayvie seems to be? I don’t. So we’re very likely either in a world of 4 scum plus 1-2 3p, or 5 scum with a weak 3p (in which case cayvie is likely just mafia)

Do you see what I’m saying here? I’m unlikely to be scum with townJoe, there aren’t likely to be 3 scum alive without cayvie being one of them (which rules out a team of Nanook/joe/Lissa), thus...I’m unlikely to be scum.

i mean in that world you and mac are both wolves so your in-thread instructions don't mean anything, really

for the record, I don't think I ever said anything about lissa being lock town? I feel like I barely talked about her at all really. It was more like, this has been a weird game where it's been hard for me to get many townreads on people, and I've played a ton of games with Lissa and she almost never busses so that was good enough for me to have her just not a priority for me. I'm almost certain that I qualified my read should not be taken as gospel by any means, and mentioned that outed wolf is a better Lissa reader than I am. Possible this was a communication error on my part, and I won't pretend that she wasn't a townread of mine for most of the game. It can be difficult to suspect someone when it feels like they're the only person willing to listen and engage with me about my push on a wolf (in this case, Marcher; somewhat similar situation for why I mistakenly townread GH in the season 5 champs finale).

The insinuation that I'm someone who sticks with my reads and doesn't re-evaluate is blatantly untrue regardless, even just from this game. If anything, a willingness to re-evaluate is one of my more notable (villager) traits, often for the better but sometimes for the worse.

Fair enough, I'll vote mac

oh, and admitted to wilgy targeting him on night 3

and wilgy's night action was one that almost certainly was used on wolves

reminder that mac claimed cop on day 4, has three correct peeks, and is alive on day 7 after his counter-claim with no peeks was nightkilled

and that he aggressively supported the wolf agenda pre-claim, and has done barely any solving post-claim

doubt he is a villager

Also, explains why I have been left alive so long. I actually lol'd irl when lissa said she bought the exact amount of glory needed to get back to 1.0 after killing outed wolf in our triumvirate.

Why outed wolf was killed:

- I think him saying he redirected Lissa really spooked wolfchat
- biggest pusher of motobot by far
- remained open to mac/wilgy being w/w
- if you want to throw in nanook as a possible wolf, he did not seem to think nearly as highly of nanook as others did
- it's possibly he redirected a nightkill from carot to himself, but i think it's likely the wolves were simply very concerned about him re-directing wolves around
- as I pointed out above, lissa conveniently had enough sols to purchase the exact amount of glory needed to get back to 1.0 after killing a member of her triumvirate. I think my claimed ability was probably deemed not a threat or low priority.

I can also go into behavioral reasons why Lissa is a wolf if you want, but she is mechanically outed afaict.

- expressed super high confidence in marcher being a wolf, but if you look at her iso she actually barely pushed him and was nudging and voting towards other candidates

- soft defenses of pmuch all wolves and potential wolves, including marcher until I slammed on them n1

- EODs are consistently limp and weak

- her eod yesterday is something I refuse to believe comes from village lissa, it is terrible and completely out of character

alright, this seems as good a time as any for the big reveal

My ability gives +0.1 hope to every civilian as long as I have 1 or more glory (2 or more glory would give +0.2, and so on). Like Long Con's passive ability, it functions automatically but can be blocked. It also applies to myself, my hope has grown at a pace consistent with my ability. You can also check your own stats, although my glory has been in the shitter since the outed wolf kill and so no more hope buffs from me since then.

Long Con and Lissa both posted how their stats changed over the course of the game. I believe Long Con inadvertently confirmed himself as a villager, and Lissa inadvertently outed herself as a wolf.

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:23 pm Ok, starting stats:

P: 0.4
Q: 1.6
G: 1.0
H: 0.9

Day 1, I was anointed, giving me +0.2 to Presence, +0.4 to Quickness. +0.2 to Glory, +0.2 to Hope (others who were anointed, were your boosts similar? dunya claims she got +0.1 to her stats, but if no one else got ripped off like that, then she's lying to limit how much we think she can be capable of)

P: 0.6
Q: 2
G: 1.2
H: 1.1
Sol: 3

I didn't think about the stats and the Sol until Day 3, and I asked for an update:

P: 0.7
Q: 2.1
G: 1.8
H: 1.4
Sol: 14

I had received a bonus from nutella's power, including +0.6 to Glory!

I had been thinking about buying the "+1 to each Sol accrual" scroll, but when I saw my Sol at that point I realized that I was awesome, and could do much better. I bought +0.3 to Glory (7 Sol) and +0.2 to Glory (5 Sol).

On Day 4 I asked for an update:

P: 0.7
Q: 2.1
G: 2.3
H: 1.6
Sol: 18

The store had a delicious new item at that point, "Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)". I purchased it, and took on Tamitha Theyn's role, and become the new Civilian tracker.

I also inquired if I could buy the same item more than once, which can be done. My plan came together to out myself with the tracking, and then just buy Protection each day for the following night - with my massive Sol accrual, I could keep myself protected indefinitely.

I got upset near the end of Day 4 when some votes started to turn on me in the last minutes. With this plan in mind, I REALLY didn't want to get yeeted right before I could put it into effect. That's why I was like "Please do not yeet me today."

Night 4 I tracked Carote and moth, and neither had done anything that night. (Two trackings because my Glory was higher than 2).

During this time, I discovered a mistake Epi had made with my Sol, and he realized that the way it was written in the first post was not *quite* how he had been doing things, and he made a small correction.

Night 4, my beautiful Talismans were all smashed FOR NO REASON BY CAYVIE.

Day 5 update:

P: 0.7
Q: 2.1
G: 0.9
H: 1.7

Sol: 13

No more tracker ability. Not even 1 trigger of my night ability. I bought some Glory to get me above 1.0, and the scroll of +1 Sol.

Anyway, that's my story. I hope you can empathize with me about the excitement for the plan, and the despair that followed.

Let's look at Long Con first. From Day 1 to Day 3, there is a +0.1 to hope from nutella and an unexplained +0.2 to hope. Night 1, Night 2, there's the 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.2 to hope from me.

Granted, I'm not quite sure why his hope on Day 4 is 1.6 instead of 1.5, but eh.

However, from Day 4 to Day 5 there's another unexplained +0.1 to hope. He would have gotten that on Night 4 from me if he's a villager.

This is why I posted after saying "uh I think LC just accidentally confirmed himself town."

Spoiler: show

Lissa clearly was NOT getting an unexplained +0.1 to hope every night, and I made sure to check whether these were confirmed stats or personal tracking exactly because of this. Her hope after nutella's buff is completely missing the buffs from me. With the items she bought and nutella's buff, her hope should be 1.2 after night 3, but it's 0.9.

0.5 starting
0.6 bought +0.1 hope
0.8 bought +0.2 hope
0.9 got +0.1 hope from nutella
1.2 got +0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 hope from me n1/n2/n3.

But it was confirmed 0.9!

And then afterwards there's no bump to hope on n4 or n5 (my hope buff to civilians should have still worked until after n5; my own hope increased by +0.1 on both nights) other than getting anointed, which seems to randomly buff all stats.

tl;dr Long Con is civilian, Lissa is not

[VOTE: Lissa] aubergine

The wolf win condition relies bigly on presence and motos role is built around acquiring more presence.

He hasn't given a single read in the game, he voted wilgy because the host said so. Popped in at eod to kill a village pr who should not have been anywhere near the poe.

Outed wolf was the biggest pusher of him and died in a very unexpected nk.

Not even considering him is pretty wild iyam

cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:36 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:39 am One factor is, can we allow motobot to get to YOLO, even if he's town? Can we count on him representing the town to Victory in a YOLO?
he hasn't voted wrong yet!

What? He hopped on at eod to misyeet dunya yesterday

lissas excuses and posts have been pretty bad

Nanook considering me as a wolf but not motobot is ???

I am either a peeked villager or never w/w with joe anyway

that's one slot you don't have to worry about

both of you please solve and be villagy if you are villagers so i can finally put tinfoil to bed and we can solve the game

speaking of bed, thats where i'm going

trying to find the right way to ask this

how many of those are your personal tracking versus like ... your confirmed stats at that time?

why did you buy hope?

Can you make a reads list for me Lissa?

look we've all made mistakes, myself included, and i wish i could take some posts back but it is what it is

i want to kill moto/mac/lissa and hold hands and "cowabunga dudes"

who's with me?

bronana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:34 pm dudes

wilgy and marcher wagons. lettuce do it.

i went from this on d2 to being peeked now

seems likely that i failed horribly somewhere

lissa should claim her stats and how they have changed throughout the course of the game IMO

Lissa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:00 pm i protect my target's presence/quickness from negative effects that night

i started with enough glory to act, don't really think it is a good idea to claim other stats

This is a bizarrely specific role

is there any evidence at all that there are actions that would negative effect presence or quickness?

lissa/mac/moto gg

lissa's eod was atrocious

who says i trust lissa?

[VOTE: motobot[/vote] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:50 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:29 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:27 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:26 pm feeling pretty solid about that post eod sequence of jovian posts
why
just felt pure and real
I had the same thought tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:08 am
bronana wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:05 am Who the hell comes into an eod, sees a strong villager was misyeeted, and gets mad about people voting the counterwagon? how did lissa think that was "pure and real" wtf

what kind of wolf does that though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:12 pm
You are a Civilian Exile. You attain victory by banishing all Mafia Exiles. If at any point the combined voting strength of the Mafia Exiles is greater than the combined voting strength of the Civilian Exiles, the Mafia Exiles attain victory.

again, wincon doesn't mention 3P at all

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:50 pm idk i think LC seems legit here lol

im thinking we're in mac/dunya w/w world

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:51 pm i guess it makes sense to go [VOTE: dunya] aubergine first tho

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:53 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:51 pm the cayvie thing still makes no sense to me at all

(tinfoil theory is that I was blocked and tracked by scumteam but eh)

I think the most plausible explanation is that wolves bought back DrWilgy ability and that cayvie was protected. Their power seem wolfy, especially when we know that Marcher Jovian could know how much stuff we bought
I think it's p likely that they got wilgy's ability back yeah

Which makes cayvie a wolf ig, I wasn't sure what to think of her 3p claim tbh

Or w!dunya blocked you (and w!mac lied)
Or something

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:11 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:07 pm I'm not really sure why nutella thinks dunya is a wolf
think she makes sense with mac in this scenario

but if we're comfortable going for mac first im totally down

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:15 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:11 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:07 pm I'm not really sure why nutella thinks dunya is a wolf
think she makes sense with mac in this scenario

but if we're comfortable going for mac first im totally down
but why is she with mac? you think she's been hard bussing him for several days?
could be yeah

mostly based on all this confusing role stuff tho

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:15 pm but sure [VOTE: mac] aubergine

he has just been. very wolfy in general yeah

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:22 pm fucking garbage eod

um. I don't understand why you would have thought eod was garbage at all.

Is this going to be another thing where someone points out you did something wolfy, then you make a sarcastic quip that actually it's villagy because it is, despite me and five different dead villagers thinking you were, in fact, wolfy?

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