The Syndicate

Tbh my only regret this game is that I should've gone for Marmot first with Tutuu's idea that both Falcon and Marmot were mafia

Not the other way around :/

That and I accidentally lurked more than I intended to do so on D2.

Also gg mafia

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:22 am gg, i think mafia kills should be compulsory, cuz otherwise they can nokill in f situations like they did now and force town to do unfavorable yeet, but then town can just noyeet and give it back to the mafia and it would be an endless loop, so at least one faction needs to be forced to yeet/night kill

Well considering even though TL popped in for a few tiny bits of posts,

I'm like 90% sure they didn't vote at all on the last two day phases at least, maybe even longer.

To me, we had to hope they were mafia anyways

If they killed LC they would've practically won there or at least force a coinflip even if I got TS on my side given the lack of activity from TL.

I really wonder what a graph of the posts-per IRL day would look like for this game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:03 pm Long Con was rubbing three-foot-high letters on the wall in his own excrement, "WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS GAME?!"

1. You need to hire a narrator that's more concerned for your health tbh

2. I've been wondering the same thing for awihle and I tried to revitalize things a little bit on D3 (i think? I kinda forgot the day lol)

but it just didn't pick back up

Honestly I'm between Marmot and TS for being a TL buddy

I may just go with the flow on that one

because that last TS post imo was rather bad but the thing is, is if he's mafia all he has to do is push Marmot if TL flips mafia....and if he's mafia just push TL if TL isn't mafia

so I have no clue why he's thinking to push me in the future

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:57 am if I really wanted to win today is the very last day for me to dig into isos and really find hints idk if I'll really get around to that though, feels like too much effort

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:18 pm if I'm going to find a wolf in long con/wilgy/martin I definitely need to do isos and I don't really feel like that rn

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:34 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:43 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:17 am Well that's odd. Did the mafia miss a kill? Or are they just toying with us?
it implies that the mafia have decided no player is towny enough to eat a nightkill which is bizarre because I don't think martin or I would ever be lynched today
Are you implying that regardless of whoever flips today, you will be pushing me in the future?

First says he needs to do ISO's to find a wolf on D4. Then he implies he hasn't done ISO's. And then he implies in the future, or uses wording that would be suggestive of a future Martin vs TS Account thunderdome.

Even though he said he needed ISO's to determine who's the wolf

Like wth????

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:36 pm Honestly if TL flips mafia I almost just wanna lynch TS based on that post alone

Errr I mean eliminate/execute.

My homesite uses the word "lynch" a lot :/

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:34 pm Are you implying that regardless of whoever flips today, you will be pushing me in the future?

Honestly if TL flips mafia I almost just wanna lynch TS based on that post alone

Of course it doesn't really matter anyways since we will lose if TL is town...but if TL is town that just says town was probably screwed anyways this game

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:43 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:17 am Well that's odd. Did the mafia miss a kill? Or are they just toying with us?
it implies that the mafia have decided no player is towny enough to eat a nightkill which is bizarre because I don't think martin or I would ever be lynched today

Are you implying that regardless of whoever flips today, you will be pushing me in the future?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:17 am Is this the outcome you predicted?

I guess it may not be marmot

Still gotta get TL's flip imo tho

[VOTE: TL] aubergine

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:56 am Mac's corpse was shot!... Again!

He is now dead two times over.

Thoughts:

1. If anyone if going to do an intentional kill of that then honestly I would suspect marmot because I doubt anyone else would think to do that here unless there's a Syndicate (TM) culture about shooting or voting Mac.
2. If that kill is meant to WIFOM into thinking about #1 above (Or WIFOM me again into this #2 thought), I also think players like Long Con and DrWilgy would not go for a weird WIFOM kill at this point. Sure, maybe they could be partnered with a mafia who thought of that idea but I have doubts on either of them being a member of the mafia.
3. If it was an AFK kill // no-kill then that reinforces the possibility of it being people who are not active.

Also if we really want to we can just keep skipping until they decide a kill. But I'm biased because of the lack of town energy and that I'm hosting the next rackets game

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:53 am The wolves were playing very well.

Well if you're somehow a wolf then yeah I would agree

but honestly I feel more disappointed in town than I am in appreciating the wolves' efforts

I just don't know how else to put things

With how every has been since D1 and how much (or lack thereof) activity we've had

I really just don't freaking know who's mafia and who's town because there isn't much to analyze

Unless its TS but of course Tutuu made that fancy "Too toxic to be mafia" argument (if TS is mafia then I will very happily push for toxic player's eliminations anyways in the future)

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:44 pm I mean ironically LC has like half the posts you have and yet he has made almost the same amount of posts you have since D1...

You made 26 posts since after D1

LC has made 22 posts since after D1

And I currently find LC much townier than you atm

I mean ironically LC has like half the posts you have and yet he has made almost the same amount of posts you have since D1...

You made 26 posts since after D1

LC has made 22 posts since after D1

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:06 am Why do me as mafia do this thought?

You're asking why a !Mafia Trustworthy Liberal would do what you're doing

I'm asking why a !Town Trustworthy Liberal would do what you're doing

both are completely valid questions at the moment in my opinion because

If you don't have motivation to post much if at all, much less have good content for those posts

then how the hell am I suppose to town-read you????

Just on D1 alone??????

Sigh. I suppose this is just what happens when you have a dead town thread

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:50 am by virtue of my reads list it would be marmot + TL but I will look into that later

and if it isn't TL then its Marmot + TS

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:41 am Funnygurl was a vanilla townie

- _ -

if TL is town then idk how she doesn't get eliminated.....

by virtue of my reads list it would be marmot + TL but I will look into that later

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:55 pm if you and them both happen to be town then I give up

regardless if that's a game-end scenario

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:28 pm here's the deal: i'm actually town here and everyone's about to send the town into lylo. we need to vote anyone else outside of me and mikey

if it comes to lylo I'm voting TL 100%

if you and them both happen to be town then I give up

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:11 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:01 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:52 am martin needs to be posting way more than they are now, it reads too much like coasting on early town cred
Oh stfu with that idea/shade, that's just stupid.

Now that isn't directed you as a person, but rather that idea.

I've been busy and I meant that, and I said I would be here (what was then) tomorrow I believe.

Also this is a light game, you do not get to criticize me on that, especially when there are other people who have posted less than me (Which is, by the way, everyone alive except for you).

So please throw away that bullshit shade. That was absolutely terrible.
fake
[VOTE: martin] aubergine

You realize how hilariously ironic this is?

I was indirectly calling *you* fake on day 1 by voting you despite your attitude then lol

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:27 pm My concern is how forceful and OMGUS your response has been.
IT'S BECAUSE I'M MASON UGHJGKAHKDG

and sussing me is inherently wolfy

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:15 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:09 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:06 pm point is, you're either not thinking or scum for assuming a vote on my mason partner would be legit, especially when I didn't vote in the thread
So by your logic here, you're at least admitting that I'm thinking?
I like to assume the best from people
Several people have claimed mason. You're one of them. You then proceeded to vote for the person you claimed to mason with.

Why should I assume that's not legit?
because I voted before I posted LOL
and because I didn't post it in the thread
and because I CLAIMED MASONS WITH HER
AND BECAUSE I'M NOT AN IDIOT

why would you EVER assume it's legit?

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:47 pm I LITERALLY SAID KAPPA IN MY THIRD POST YOU ARE HIGH

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:47 pm I don't use emotes when I'm frustrated

Worst of all, you just call it "fake" rather than challenge any of the logic and evidence associated with it.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:11 pm Her explanation for not resisting much? Its "I'm excited for my flip pic"

Oh and I should note

She doesn't really have much utility to the town at this point by not doing anything and saying things like this

She says a very small comment on scum reading wilgy but that's it

that also kinda contradicts with how she can be sure of her town reads but not her scum reads; If she's sure about them then she would be putting effort into her scum reads like she tried to do on her town reads on D1.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:29 pm I do think there is one mafia in fg/ts. I think based on the nut interactions and her behavior, it isn't both.

I think it could be ts, because I can't think of a reason for them to ride their masonized claim beyond the extent of a joke. There's too much Joseph content to counter it.

I think it could be fg, because of what Long Con said above.

@Funnygurl555, what's your read on ts these days?

Honestly with FG not flailing that she herself is town now and yet was flailing for TS to be town on day 1

its a really odd contradiction imo

D1 gives the impression she defends her town reads, but that should apply to herself most since (if she's town) she has a "You are town" PM from the host.

Her explanation for not resisting much? Its "I'm excited for my flip pic"

Like there's a complete and huge difference in energy in it and I think she's trying to WIFOM the town into not eliminating her.

She was also probably trying to appear town by being proven right when (in a hypothetical world) miseliminating TS.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:13 pm You're taking this "light mafia day" really well LC lol

he is lol

with Tutuu gone he's effectively my top town read rn

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:52 am martin needs to be posting way more than they are now, it reads too much like coasting on early town cred

Oh stfu with that idea/shade, that's just stupid.

Now that isn't directed you as a person, but rather that idea.

I've been busy and I meant that, and I said I would be here (what was then) tomorrow I believe.

Also this is a light game, you do not get to criticize me on that, especially when there are other people who have posted less than me (Which is, by the way, everyone alive except for you).

So please throw away that bullshit shade. That was absolutely terrible.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:47 pm I think that last one you mentioned is a good look for TL too.

I guess I'll re-consider them in the future after the FG flip

Kinda busy today and a bit IRL tomorrow.

4 votes for hammer I believe

so another vote would cause that

and I'm not encouraging that atm

Also, aside from TS, nutella has basically on moved against only FG and TL on d1 and N1....

I wonder if she really was doing anti-spew early on

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:03 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:11 pmTL is ehhh
This post does feel off from nutella curious what you thought while posting it as its pretty openended.
Did you also suspect me from the one post or was this a response to me in general?
I didn't like your entrance, yeah

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:47 pm [VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

she prob just hasn't checked in yet but like she needs to tutuu it up right away

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:53 am fg is aight

[VOTE: t-lib] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:52 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:09 pm [VOTE: ts account] aubergine
Can you go more into this?
Why am i no longer a good vote?
Why is TS a good vote now?

Whats your thoughts on Nanook and Marmot defending TS?
you're still a good vote imo, ts just feels worse atm

when did nanook and marmot defend ts

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:57 am Alrighty people. Been almost 12 hours.

[VOTE: FG] aubergine

I think it's time we resolve this slot. I still think it's TS/FG but FG feels higher priority.

At this point, I could see FG/TS or even FG/TL.

If we were to flip TS, I can't imagine their scumbuddy being anyone other than FG right?
Looking back, nutella voted for both of these players on each Day 1, Day 2. If you're right, that means nutella voted both of her scumbuddies. But since Mac outed her in between those two votes, do you think she'd switch from one scum buddy to the other at a point when she's all but the sealed yeet at the time?

I don't think this excludes from a !town TS and a !scum FG world though

[VOTE: FG] aubergine

Current reads

Towny
Tutuu
Long Con
TS Account
DrWilgy
Marmot
TL
FG
Scummy

I'll probably look more into how would nutella fit into the above hypothetical world tomorrow when I get the time

Hmmmm.....

Provided I didn't raise my bar on towniness any further for some people

I wonder how likely a TL + FG mafia world is, because that's where my current reads lead me to.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:43 pm Reads Disregarding any claims

Town Lean
Alison-Has opened and been strong through out almost confident to push this to just town but still holding back since its D1.
Marmot-Their reaction to the presure towards them has been decent better then mine atleast hehe but i feel they are calmer then they would be as a wolf in this situation.
tutuu-Start of day was towny over all and seems to be giving pressure to most slots that where around at that time.
Long Con-Gimic has been well and feel they are being open in their pushs which is inhertly town leaning. Don't like that it seems every other post has me in it however which is to note going after my flip.

Null
MartinGG99-Seems open but not seen enough to move to town lean top of my null reads but here they are.
nutella-nothing confident here agred on their Marmot idea but other then that nothing confident either way.
Funnygurl555- Nothing Noteworthy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME-Masonclaims but nanook D1 town read is unlikely from me usally wouldn't yeet today but still unsure on alignment.
DrWilgy-Don't remember this slot?
Enrique-Same as DrWilgy i don't remember them this game.

Scum Lean
ts account-Don't like their comment of i claimed and now i get to coast never true and i feel is less likely to come from a town in any world.
falcon45ca-Think they are trying to push soloying a me world over the other bottom PoE which in place makes me feel that they are a wolf trying to protect another wolf in said general PoE

These are my current thoughts on every slot for gun to my head reads

She delays making a read on these people. One of them is Nutella; if TL were scum here then she's trying to leave her opinions on her teammates according to the general consensus. Have other people make arguments for her.

If you also notice, FG is (to a degree) labelled the same way. "Nothing noteworthy" is in some ways is akin to "I haven't heard of a good argument for or against them".

And I couldn't find anything about FG's read on Trustworthy in FG's ISO other than this, which was early in the game and FG seemingly hasn't re-visited this read in public despite saying "Idk yet":

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:10 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:15 am FG what's your take on nutella/TL

Also nanook with that undeclared nutella vote lol
i dunno yet. sry

I'm gonna read the following:

LC town
TS town
FG scum

In addition, someone brought up this topic before, where they suggested that these posts were strange because they didn't use the word "Mason".

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:54 pm MIKEY IS NOT A WOLF

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:55 pm PLEASE MOVE YOUR VOTES MIKEY IS NOT A WOLF

I wonder, why did they use the word "Wolf" here rather than something like "Mikey is Town"?

I also searched their ISO for "Wolf" and the only other time when they used that word was here:

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:48 am
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:29 am
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:28 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:31 pm funnygurl had appeared! Long Con instantly wondered who her mason claim might be.
i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it

I was looking for TL's read list and saw this again
please
how is this towny
what makes it scummy?
long con is trying to get FG to confirm herself as not my mason partner
yeah i think lc's a hit

also the entire case is mikey doesn't bus partners so if you find a wolf and find him pushing on that wolf then he's cleared

some people don't like that kinda thing sure but it's the best way to read him and even he's admitted it

now the other way you could read mikey here is he got p damn frustrated at all y'all for reading him wrong. y'all fake emotion tells......... but mikey doesn't make that kinda one

By the way....if FG is wolf here and TS is town, doesn't this look like a set-up? I mean, if you're mafia and you believe someone won't find wolves or mafia in the near future, then you could totally set this up to shade someone much later in the game.

Additionally, they only used the word "Scum" 5 times.

They haven't used the word "Mafia" at all this game.

Something is wrong here, and I am considering if they slipped that they were mafia/wolf earlier.

They haven't been scum-hunting much, that's for sure.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:57 pm personally I would've waited more towards an EoD to place down a vote with some sort of reasoning if I were scum

Especially since how tame the town has been lately in terms of posting

there wouldn't be as much discussion happening as compared to other games; meaning less of a justification/reason for the scum to just go hammer if they want to cut down on how much time the town has left

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:55 pm but I think a !scum wilgy making a "hammer test" would be an odd choice to make.

I mean, even if Falcon's execution was unavoidable at that point

personally I would've waited more towards an EoD to place down a vote with some sort of reasoning if I were scum

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:32 pm Wilgy. Long Con would easily vote Wilgy, whose antics had already led to a Civilian death, with Wilgy holding up his hands in lukewarm mock dismay, hidden behind an unsympathetic shrug. Was there any redeeming quality about Wilgy's play in this game that would lead one to believe he was town? Long Con couldn't recall one.

I'm not sure how I feel about Wilgy. Granted, I've never played with him before, but I think a !scum wilgy making a "hammer test" would be an odd choice to make.

That and for some reason apparently both Mac and Alison read him as town.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:02 pm Farmot flipping town didn't help cause i think TS is town now meaning my entire D1 PoE flipped town.

Yes well one can't always solve the game while sitting in the shadows

If you read everyone as town then you gotta raise the bar on what makes a person pass as town

or you can interact with people to try and become more certain in your opinion of their alignment

I **could** see someone being busy IRL

but I kinda feel like I've been too generous with not paying attention to them since D1

Its been 28-ish hours since they made this post (below)

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:15 pm Sorry pushed this to the back bunred a bit much.
As i said multiple times i think Falcon has to be wolf here Mac had the same read as well.

Funny is unlikely.
TS is still possible but also unlikely.

Also yeah hammer exsisits whats the number to hamer?

and only made 2 post since then and both of those were yesterday (at least for my time zone):

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:36 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:45 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:58 pm Day 3 will end 11/19/20 9:45pm EST time.

Math seems off is my vote actaully needed right here for a tien wagons doesn't look like above and i don't wanna accidently have a hammer happen.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:38 pm Oh i ment to also quote the post i was pinged in

like they were here for a good-enough D1 impression and then lurk anytime else

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:21 pm I think its 2/3 in Marmot TL LC

if you're right then its TL/LC imo

tbh I would want to prioritize TL rn

they admitted putting this game on the "backburner" or something and haven't improved since (y'know, unlike me)

Anyways

I'm generally feeling like Marmot's is just town.

You can nitpick at him for a few small things but if anything this game has displayed not every town player is perfect or will play perfectly, and I'm judging out of everyone here he's more town than not.

Especially since now we've proven that "Bad Interactions" =/= "Must be scum"

Also my motivations for not judging on solely bad interactions is completely and totally not related and absolutely coincidental that I got yeeted for having bad interactions with 2 mafia members in my last game here on The Syndicate and I didn't just want to stick my tongue out at people who believe interactions with scum must be dictated by alignment

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 pm How exactly did falcon implode and stop playing?

When I think of someone imploding, I look at your reactions to an almost yeet on Day 1.

I have to admit I laughed harder than I should've on this.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:51 pm you're still missing the point lol

"I notice ts is still alive and we're down a townie" isn't what you say when you have reservations about your vote

He has already explained it tbh

idk how else you're supposed to express shock and/or surprise when you're Marmot in this situation; if he went all-caps utter shock that the expected elimination didn't happen then honestly that would stick out like a sore thumb compared to the usual level of energy I get from his other posts (Which seem generally calm)

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:20 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:01 am marmot's basically like "we shouldn't kill ts, it's not optimal"
*votes ts*

Nobody listened to me.

I'd rather make a meaningful vote, and the other option at the time was TL, and I explained why I didn't like lynching them.
what was the meaning of your first post coming in to the day? The one implying I should have been lynched?

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:24 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:43 pm So I've noticed that we ts is still alive and we have one fewer townie.
here

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:33 pm You mean coming out of Day 1 into Night 1?

When I left Day 1, I think the vote tally was something like [ts: 5], [tl: 2], [Marmot: 1], so I was surprised to come back and find nanook dead, especially when he (or at least I think he) had no votes when I left,

(last quote here is snipped a bit for clarity)

There's also the option of just not voting

but some people find that scummy af as well

the way I see it, no matter what Marmot could do on EoD1 he was gonna be vulnerable to being scum-read for it even if he maintained towny (imo) beliefs

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:21 pm when they say "we shouldn't do this" then do it anyway because they don't think there are other options, their immediate response shouldn't be to shade someone that they didn't want to kill

their attempt to explain their reasoning why is blatantly contradictory

Yeah well considering you had up to 6 votes (probably 5 without Marmot) do you really think Marmot had a choice in that for the time he was present?

All they can do is look at the options available and pick. The only two options at that time were TL and you, and he said these things as well:

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:52 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:09 pm [VOTE: ts account] aubergine
Can you go more into this?
Why am i no longer a good vote?
Why is TS a good vote now?

Whats your thoughts on Nanook and Marmot defending TS?
you're still a good vote imo, ts just feels worse atm

when did nanook and marmot defend ts
Why is TL a good vote?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:33 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:14 pm I'm still curious... To anyone who wants to answer. What's the case on TL again?
I'm not aware of what exactly was the issue, but iirc someone or some people had an issue with this post:

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:52 pm Werid for me to be near on the first page lets go i think this will be a good game hope i can get my reads on point lets go.

Spoiler: show

For me personally, at the time I was suspicious of TL, it was because they hadn't developed much, and this was their last 2 posts of the time (#88 and #99), in particular #88.

It just felt like they were getting intimidated, possibly to due to wolf self-awareness or TMI.

However when they returned I saw nervousness from them, and in the context of the reads they gave and more, I felt it came from a towny perspective or mindset.
I've only really been present in the thread for the more recent posts from them, and I agree with you on that content. The opening post is weird sure, but we've had plenty of content since then.

I'm leaning back to a ts vote, despite my previous reservation.

As for the ? avatar, I think they're also confused, hence the ?

If he voted TL he could be attacked for saying "why is TL a good vote"

And if he voted you (he did) then he gets attacked by you for what you're attack him now for anyways

Marmot didn't like D1 at all, and he has never expressed a liking for it.

But since he wanted a sense of meaningfulness, he believed that you were scummier or more vote-worthy than TL.

Even though he didn't believe either you or TL were good targets to vote for on D1 out of everyone else.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:59 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:58 pm This was their first post on N1, and I found no problems with it tbh:
it's inconsistent with their suggestion that killing inside the mason claims should be avoided

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:01 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:47 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:41 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:34 pm that doesn't explain the shade
Why is it shade?
it implies my flip is preferable to vanilla town
Well yes, I had no read on nanook but I had a scumread on you, so I do prefer that.

They also said this in the past:

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:20 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:01 am marmot's basically like "we shouldn't kill ts, it's not optimal"
*votes ts*

Nobody listened to me.

I'd rather make a meaningful vote, and the other option at the time was TL, and I explained why I didn't like lynching them.

Not to mention the many mason-claims on that day 1 (though only a few were seemingly not superficial imo) that would imply a possibility of mafia-aligned liars within those claims.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:27 pm
How so?

I don't recall (or at least of what I've read) any big arguments against him other than ones that were based on interaction by Tutuu.
They were mason hunting, their initial callout of my vote on FG was scummy, and they were inconsistent/behaving oddly when I asked them about their vote on me/their entrance to the night phase

I think quite a few people were mason hunting; after all the town has to figure out at some point which group of masons to trust and not only that, but also to figure out if a group of mason claims were mafia or not (since mafia have BTSC like masons)

Marmot has said he didn't like voting masons on d1; I presume the reasoning as to why that wasn't optimal is because if we actually eliminated a mason on day 1, it was possible that the mafia would night-kill the other mason

I think their behavior has been a bit odd, but I don't think any of their odd behaviors were scum-indicative

This was their first post on N1, and I found no problems with it tbh:

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:43 pm So I've noticed that we ts is still alive and we have one fewer townie.

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