The Syndicate

yea, town's end game was really great

I think Alison is right about you carrying town Long con. You really made the difference in the... long con

which isnt to say i didnt try. SCum can be challenging over all.

Sorry tony. You probably could've done better witn another partner lol

I'll try to be better in future

thats a joke btw

I kinda hate randing scum

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:16 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:49 pm Maybe the Bastard play here is a straight game.

First to call it?

LC was the first to correctly call every thing <3

but dont worry. next time i rand scum agianst town you I'll be sure you beat u >:)

I mean Marmot couldn't have counted on Made egging him on happening. For all he knew Made was going to start Ob!towning before/after then vote.

Nothing really stands out to me as it being Marmot and Speed together this game.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

if no hammer then I can mechanically rule out speedXmarmot, and confirm scum within TonyXLC. IF hammer then GG, and apologies for the missplay.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:35 pm Man the baddies are really coming out of the woodwork to jump on lil old me.

You guys have grievances you wanna talk about? Those would be good.

it will be funny if this ends up being a "why is everybody ganging up on me" tale.

in f2f games sometimes scum's reaction to being unexpectedly bussed is to complain about how they are being ganged up on lol. Havent seen a reliable way of using it in forum mafia tho. Since everybody has time to react to things in a more calculated manner.

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:43 pm there's barely even any justification for it. it's just "I think the poe is tsp/speed but I'll vote for Made too"

hmmm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:35 pm Marmot is sorta a wildcard. Maybe it can be speed marmot

How likely does Marmot distence a buddy the way he did near eod2?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:25 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:45 pm Moving my vote back to [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I noticed there was two+ a couple hours left in the day when this vote was made.

I already had a vote there so this put speed to two votes vs made's three votes. Thats a risky maneuver for scum to make. Since a Speed scum flip would make made look clean, me look clean, and LC as well. So Marmot was really limiting long term option if he were scum with Speed.

I think i can rule them out as a team then.

IM town ok. if you are town then team is between LC/Marmot/Speed

who is scum there?

I cant see into your mind and know you are town and LC isnt. Come on now.

You're going to have to show me why you're town, and why LC isnt.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:57 am Does anyone recall Martin/Marmot feeling anti-aligned on D2, just with the back and forth that was going on? Or was that just me?

can you elaborate on this?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:54 pm ok so discounting LC/speed, if Speed is a wolf him and his partner both try to vote for me and win the game. didn't adequately consider lc/speed.

Where is LC Scum motivation in the plays he has been making lately tho?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:34 am I will look at viability of TSP x Marmot, and TSP speed chuck tomarrow night when i get off from work.

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Ideally the consensus scum read of town should lead with their vote in Elo. Problem is im not sure who to pick for that yet. What do you guys think?

I think all viable teams contain Tony tbh...

Marmot and speed are super unlikely, Long con I think motive wise I dont have to worry about b/c the only way he lives tomorrow is if he is bussing Tony. I dont think scum will gamble on bringing town!LC to F3 if Tony is their partner.

yes im assuming 2 scum. Its safer then assuming one scum this roster.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:48 pm why not speed? you ask? well, I don't believe that speed would be the kind of person to fake derps. simple enough.

and you think i am the person to fake derp clears? I didnt realize it was 4 to flip either lol.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:51 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:22 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:34 am I will look at viability of TSP x Marmot, and TSP speed chuck tomarrow night when i get off from work.

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Ideally the consensus scum read of town should lead with their vote in Elo. Problem is im not sure who to pick for that yet. What do you guys think?

you clearly have a pick smh

Yeah I caught that too.

I was stuck between Speed/Tony, and i hadnt considered all marmot worlds

I will look at viability of TSP x Marmot, and TSP speed chuck tomarrow night when i get off from work.

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Ideally the consensus scum read of town should lead with their vote in Elo. Problem is im not sure who to pick for that yet. What do you guys think?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:45 pm Moving my vote back to [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I noticed there was two+ a couple hours left in the day when this vote was made.

I already had a vote there so this put speed to two votes vs made's three votes. Thats a risky maneuver for scum to make. Since a Speed scum flip would make made look clean, me look clean, and LC as well. So Marmot was really limiting long term option if he were scum with Speed.

I think i can rule them out as a team then.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:21 pm Oh and I would like to emphasize one thing:

Long Con should be lock-town IMO, his whole progression for D2 feels very genuine, and while perhaps a scum could replicate it at certain points I really don't think that's plausible.

hmm, ok, this points against LC scum.

I dont think anybody else was TRing LC as hard as Martin was yesterday. That'd be a weird kill to make.

Actually @TonyStarkPrime & @speedchuck

what do you think of LC's movement away from SRing Marmot recently?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:16 am This game is suffering from going alongside Spiderman and Champs.

[VOTE: chardonnay] aubergine

What was the point of this btw?

I was going to reread EoD yesterday, but i feel pretty lost

Oh, it was a fake vote

IF YOUR TOWN THAT IS A HORRIBLE MISSPLAY

unvote!

i think that LC, and Martian are more town looking then Speed, and Tony.

im not sure what else i have to say atm, will probably have to reconsider somethings tomarrow.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:44 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:49 pm I was under the impression that Martian response's impacted you badly, because in part, he was AtEing. Tho it was Martin who specify mentioned that he was AtEing out of frustration. Maybe you didn't perceive it that way at all.

Sorry, if i keep making incorrect assumptions about how you play. Thats a bad habit of mine w/ regaruds to players i have minor to moderate exp with.

How do you feel about Made's vote on Martin when he thought it was EoD now? I also thought it was curious, but wasnt sure if there was info there to break down.

It's a little sketchy. Maybe Martin is town and Made is not. He agreed with me maybe too easily on Martin, especially when I think most other players disagree with my points on him.

hmm, thanks

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:41 pm There’s an obvious reason why I’m town which someone should bring up

idk what it is dude

This forum has wine drinking emotes?!

heck yes bby,

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Im more open to Made scum, but if he is scum he choose to intentionally make unnecessary weird posts D1 that would rise eyebrowes for no reason. Which would be an... interesting choice.

I was under the impression that Martian response's impacted you badly, because in part, he was AtEing. Tho it was Martin who specify mentioned that he was AtEing out of frustration. Maybe you didn't perceive it that way at all.

Sorry, if i keep making incorrect assumptions about how you play. Thats a bad habit of mine w/ regaruds to players i have minor to moderate exp with.

How do you feel about Made's vote on Martin when he thought it was EoD now? I also thought it was curious, but wasnt sure if there was info there to break down.

Chuck is still where im most confidant at [VOTE: Chuck] aubergine

Ughh, maybe i am just wrong on Made like straight up.

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@Long Con I think you have a tendency to SR any kind of AtE correct?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:26 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:07 am Oh yeah, Made exudes town looking paranoia several times this game. Expressing concerns over things that I dont think mafia would be comfortable asserting. Like the "Maybe mod OP is lie, and ties aren't mafia kill choice" line.

I think tonally he looks town over all I'd say.

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Ill lookit LC tomorrow.

So (I was looking at Char and remembered this:)

The 'maybe OP lies and ties aren't mafia choice' is just the worst thing. -EV. Not a helpful observation. It's like observing that 'Maybe Esoaa was scum and the flip was a lie.' It's unhelpful for town to consider calling those bluffs, because it's what we have to work with.

Don't remember the context, but if Made was going 'Eh, don't worry about the Tie,' that's bad. If they were being subtle about it, that's worse.

maybe its personal pref but i feel most scum avoid making blatant unhelpful/anti-town observations for the exact reason that they could get SR'd for it

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:33 pm Sorry Made, but you coming in and voting Martin at what you thought was EOD like that after townreading hi on Day 1.

And then you said he has an agenda. Your vote looks very agenda-esque.

Marmot under pressure and mutiple PoE's coming in and defending a player he could let take the heat is a pretty town looking move.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:42 am Sort by character count become WW expert?

Char puts almost zero thought into this read on me, puts paragraphs in on Speed, and still inexplicably has a bloodlust for the groundhog

1. His vote is currently on a no-kill vote, as he's re-evaluating or evaluating people.

Also, I believe he explained his reasoning on Marmot. After all, he was right in that it did happen in that game he hosted where Marmot is scum. I don't see a reason as to why not he would look to that for possible analysis on Marmot.

2. Speedchuck had an almost inexorable hand in helping to raise the chance that Esooa was executed on D1 instead of Marmot by tying the wagons....and Marmot is a scum-read of Chardonnay's at that time.

Its not surprising for him to put more effort into speed chuck because of that. Besides, soon after his read on you he goes off to enquire about you.

hmm, he kinda just said what i was thinking on some matters.

@Made Is Speed a hard TR for you? Also what do you think of Tony?

ah! ninja'd lol

Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:00 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:58 pm Like, for a big fucking example,

both as town and as mafia I generally create some sort of readwall on d1

read walls depending on how you can look at it can be viewed as having an agenda

yes, I remember in MC, you're reading like town you syntactically, that's not what I mean by an agenda. it just feels like you have vested interest in particular players being lynched in a way that other players haven't really voice.

I also don't like that LC, me, and speedchuck have all said some variation of "my role is a d0 power thing" and you and marmot have not, and both of you were voting speedchuck

Which players are you talking about Martin having this interest in?

I wonder if those D0 things are just flavor text that was misinterperted as a power or something. TMK nobody saw those D0 abilities affect the game right?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:56 pm PHHHEEEWWW thank god.

but yeah, Martin is probably bad here y'all.
he's the only play this game who seems to have a agenda

Can you elaborate on what points of Martians sound like they came from an agenda?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:42 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:42 pm I mean this is an awfully charitable explanation

Sure.

Do you think there's a better explanation for it?

I’m up to three. Char what do you think of Marmot right now

Im not town reading him, but i think there is circumstancal evidence for town him. The EoD esoona flip + mac death really gives me the willies that marmot is town, and was set-up to be pushed today.

I'd probably say if marmot is town then scum is you/speed. LC is an outlier i havent really thought about yet.

also im still catching up atm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:06 pm Martin confirmed mafia goon.

Naw, if Martian were mafia goon he'd be too gunshy to out scummy flavor text as scum.

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Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:51 pm
Can anyone recall who had 3 votes early on? Was it speedchuck or martin? Someone moved their vote when I mentioned that hammer was 5, but I recall someone had 3 very early today.

That was the speedChuck wagon composed of you/martin/Longcon

I have yet to vote today.

Oh yeah, Made exudes town looking paranoia several times this game. Expressing concerns over things that I dont think mafia would be comfortable asserting. Like the "Maybe mod OP is lie, and ties aren't mafia kill choice" line.

I think tonally he looks town over all I'd say.

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Ill lookit LC tomorrow.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:35 pm Man the baddies are really coming out of the woodwork to jump on lil old me.

You guys have grievances you wanna talk about? Those would be good.

Who do you think is most likely team?

Who is mostly likely scum to you not considering assossitives? is it Marmot?

@TonyStarkPrime

Can you eleborate on the town tell on Marmot you mentioned the other day? How successful is it?

The fact that Martian has arguably the most WIM left of the living roster I'm not even going to bother to reconsider the TR I've developed there. If i get stuck in a elo/melo situation with Martian then I will review his slot more seriously.

I could make a similar argument for Made, but I kinda forgot why i was TRing him, oof.

Also LC i need to look at.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:16 am Wait actually TSP is just voting me =_=

and Chuck is voting Marmot rn

TSP/Chuck team? hmmm

how likely a world do you see this as Martian?

Tony SR was fueled by spinning non-ai things about me as if they were scummy.

Just seemed like he was saying things for the sake of putting reads out there, but not really thinking about it in a slovely way. If that makes sense.

Of course im not very familiar with Tony, so there could be method to the madness.

D1 Speed chuck was hard to figure out since I thought the thing about copping Tony's partner just seemed like a joke, but i did want him to out the result for curiosity. He backed off later and said it was a post restriction thing. I did take his word at face value, and didnt press it since i didnt see it as particularly useful info to pick at.

I think post restrictions should be treated as non-AI this game. Not sure if i have said that already.

I do think that Speed tying up the votes is probably the singerly most scummy thing he has done this game. Like, its scummy wheather or not Marmot turns out to be scum. Giving mafia the chance to choose who to shoot means they can build WIFOM on a player that was garnering suspicion, (Marmot in this case).

Really only argument i can think of for town doing this is not knowing better, I dont have the experince w/ Speed to know if town them makes a mistake like that.

So yes, i do scum lean Speed.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:26 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:16 am I was wanting marmot blood last night. wish i could've been presnt to push things harder.:/

Look @chardonnay while I do feel like there's something with TSP and Chuck's slots....

Reading this gives me pause.

I would very much like to hear your reasons for why marmot is scum, even if its past EoD1 or if it seems no one agrees with you.

D1 he did that meme where he voted a player not on the roster, and it reminded me of the open-set mason game i ran where he spent his NK to shot an already dead player. I believe you were in that game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:56 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:39 pm A lot of players are playing really trolly and making it hard to distinguish town from scum.

not a fan of that.

Marmot voting somebody outside the roster stands out to me. Feels like the kinda joke they make as scum imo.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

The host votes arent helpful, but i recall players doing that stuff on my homesite fairly often as both alignemnts.

I have done this in a recent game and yes it was as scum.

Actually, it might have even been in your game.

Marmot went on the acknowledge this of his own accord in a way that felt like really cocky scum.

I thought I made a post calling this out, but apperntly not.

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I was also really concerned that Marmot just never seemed to accrue pressure throughout the day. At least until he was right at EoD.

My resolve isnt as strong as it was when I was when i first saw that Esooa was flipped and not marmot. That, "We should have flipped marmot" was in the moment annoyance. Im not feeling as strongly on him now was i was last night.

I want to look at others before i come back to marmot.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:59 pm I don't normally use phrases like "hand the mafia the game on a silver platter" but...

Then lets try to move things along so tomarrow goes better

I was wanting marmot blood last night. wish i could've been presnt to push things harder.:/

dont understand the point of speed chuck's intentionally tieing the wagon up. it garentees that if there is single town between esooa, and marmot, that the townie dies, and mafia lives.
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Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:52 pm Gut read: ties aren’t resolved by mafia. I’m cool where things are I think

sounds more like something paranoid town thinks to say then mafia. THe follow up is also really interesting too w/ made saying the mod could've lied in the start up info and ties werent decided by mafia. I understand the possible scum motive behind saying it, but its just so over the top i feel it comes from town.

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Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:19 pm Honestly, I'm expecting something wild and crazy to happen since this game is possibly bastard, and it hasn't happened yet, so I haven't found the drive to do anything yet.

But you can yeet me, Idc, I'm just a voluntary troll anyway.

gutsy, but i dont think i buy the act

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:59 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:52 pm Gut read: ties aren’t resolved by mafia. I’m cool where things are I think

this is a mafia claim so therefore it's town

well i guess thats one thing i agree with you've said

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:32 pm marmot is unconcerned for his survival, supposedly that's a town tell

low WIM is how accurate a tell for marmot in your experince?

I def feel like a significant amount of the roster is ignoring Marmot and i want to know why

GtH can i get everybody's Marmot reads?