☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:19 am
The thing she found out is wolves REALLY hate when 3 people are protecting each other and they are forced to kill into it
Dizzy/ted is... kind of gross with d1. When TSP makes his "get off bereft" post, bereft is obviously top wagon but dizzy/ted are the two counterwagons, with bereft voting ted, ted voting dizzy and dizzy voting robyn.
... not that those are where TSP is directing wagons though, looks like he was directing mainly towards robyn. but still... mm.
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:07 pm
Y'know, the whole point of a soft is for it to not be outed unless the person softing wants to do so. Outing it is anti-town.
If that was a soft it was a very fucking hard soft
ye I didn't mention it because there was no point, but I kind of assume everyone saw it instantly...
or he's illario's partner and got vigged or illario was actually town or something wild is going on but i mean i'm running with the baseline assumption that he is town and truthful here
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:33 am
I am legit hype that I might hit 8888 posts this cycle. If I do I am going to stop posting and quit syndicate
not surprised in the slightest. About to head into a Dark Heresy Ascension game that I DM and need to prep for it. Can someone recap SOD for me?
Me leetic gira all go on pyxxy. Pyxxy flails, says maybe it's me, then no longer thinks it's me. The poll breaks but this seems to have been a site break and not a game mechanic. I have the power of god, anime and JackofHearts2005 on my side and we now know a fair bit about the other thread, see above for that.
wat
If there is another phantom vote on you today Jack will go super saiyan and cross time and space to smite the unbelievers in [redacted] town in the other thread. (not really.) (maybe.)
not surprised in the slightest. About to head into a Dark Heresy Ascension game that I DM and need to prep for it. Can someone recap SOD for me?
Me leetic gira all go on pyxxy. Pyxxy flails, says maybe it's me, then no longer thinks it's me. The poll breaks but this seems to have been a site break and not a game mechanic. I have the power of god, anime and JackofHearts2005 on my side and we now know a fair bit about the other thread, see above for that.
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:10 am
I personally have little faith tutuu will flip wolf for the reasons provided ; idk
why want flip dizzy/made?
Read the dizzy and TSP ISOs, they look very paired. I'm waiting for Made to post but... well given illario scum confirmation the inactive wolfteam theory seems very very likely to me. Who do you think are wolves? And also where's Abigail, if you know anything? (this is not a very important question i guess, conserve words/posts accordingly, glad to have you here helping)
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:03 am
numerically significant tsp/ila w/w
mirrors?
or chance?
I doubt there'd be all same alignment pairs, that would go against the core flavor of the show.
Illario's exact role did not come up but I'd think he would've said if it was bus driver. The other thread definitely seems to have different roles in play than ours, though. Jack was the only player to claim anything, and he was not really a cop but he WAS a something that we certainly do not seem to have here.
I have JackofHearts in my head from the other thread. Figuratively. We have a neighborchat and he has limited posting powers, same as Abi/Porscha and what TSP claimed, except that he's limited to 5 posts per day of 20 words (this is a difference from previous claims of 10 posts/day, however it was given to me as part of the mech info not just a thing he is saying, so it is true.) He claims to have been nightkilled in the other thread after fake claiming cop.
Like others report, I am prohibited from excessive sharing to circumvent his posting limits, but I can paraphrase the general gist of things.
Illario apparently was mafia in the other thread and was taken down by a coalition of nutella('s posthumous reads, she was town and universally townread and died n1 as theorized), jack, scotty and cape90. The wagons were close, Tutuu voted to save illario and looks like his most likely partner. Tutuu seems to have been Robyn's pairmate and there was suspicion on their side robyn was scum (go figure). Highly optimistic that the other thread is on the way to an easy solve.
We have combined information and deduced a few other likely crossthread pairings, although I am not sure if sharing these is protown. @ me if anyone has a good reason to want to know.
I believe Jack is town, everything he's said checks out and makes sense, but also he's not talking to me very much since our initial convo. He floated the idea of keeping him secret to avoid me getting nightkilled to silence us, but given the gamestate over here I think that is not worth the additional confusion and paranoia.
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:18 am
So what I mean by the opposites land stuff is
if your worldview is me/dizzyslot, somehow,
why is your first inclination coming into today "thunderdome ran, the towniest player must be the mastermind powerwolf!" and not "kill dizzyslot and then thunderdome ran if she's still alive"
I see this as the same thing TSP was doing, trying to break up the towncore and sow dissension in the hopes something sticks. Not sure why your mind goes there if town.
because I was less certain about dizzy than you
feel like I quoted pretty solidly what I found sus and why about your treatment of TSP e.g. hedging but ultimately going onto Dizzy
I also remembered my interaction with TSP asking about you and felt like it very much got waved away like mutual defending
however when you brought up following Wind's vote, idk, the way you did it broke through the clouds for me. so you're town to me now
have we played together before?
Hm.
I don't believe we have. Unless you were in the giant NPCs game last year but that still barely counts.
why is your first inclination coming into today "thunderdome ran, the towniest player must be the mastermind powerwolf!" and not "kill dizzyslot and then thunderdome ran if she's still alive"
I see this as the same thing TSP was doing, trying to break up the towncore and sow dissension in the hopes something sticks. Not sure why your mind goes there if town.
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm
@Ranmilia what's your breakdown or VCA of the last ~6 hours from D2's EOD?
How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?
If that's the results wolves wanted, why didn't I just throw a random ass vote on TSP and parade around the ring with my quotes sussing TSP on D1?
I mean
yes, exactly
why didn't you vote TSP after sussing him d1? Instead you parked on dizzy.
And yeah dizzy is probably also a wolf but you're yelling about doming me for... going back and forth and also wanting dizzy and tsp out??
This is the same sort of opposites land stuff TSP was pushing.
TSP was pushing what exactly?
TSP's abi/ran/gira stuff throughout the game.
You're in the same breath calling me a mastermind wolf hard bussing dizzy/tsp and calling yourself town because you can't possibly be a mastermind wolf bussing dizzy/tsp because you didn't go tsp when chips were down.
Like what even is your thought process here?
um
I very much am pointing out that you didn't hard bus TSP
you shaded him but when it mattered, you hedged and wanted Dizzy to die instead
1. I am responsible for TSP even being a wagon in the first place.
2. Yes and? I still want that slot dead.
3. which people may not be considering if they weren't there for the EOD: I went back to dizzy offering a fortnite gift card because the eod was so weirdly static to see who would jump. That was an info play. Nobody jumped. I can't prove this to you, and I can't say I never considered going through and killing dizzy if my towns were willing, but on the main I said I was voting with Wind and I meant that.
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm
@Ranmilia what's your breakdown or VCA of the last ~6 hours from D2's EOD?
How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?
If that's the results wolves wanted, why didn't I just throw a random ass vote on TSP and parade around the ring with my quotes sussing TSP on D1?
I mean
yes, exactly
why didn't you vote TSP after sussing him d1? Instead you parked on dizzy.
And yeah dizzy is probably also a wolf but you're yelling about doming me for... going back and forth and also wanting dizzy and tsp out??
This is the same sort of opposites land stuff TSP was pushing.
TSP was pushing what exactly?
TSP's abi/ran/gira stuff throughout the game.
You're in the same breath calling me a mastermind wolf hard bussing dizzy/tsp and calling yourself town because you can't possibly be a mastermind wolf bussing dizzy/tsp because you didn't go tsp when chips were down.
TSP ISO thoughts
#285 "wolves in nutella brad monroe scotty" in other thread
early back and forths with leetic, abigail
#483 i'm bad at the game
randomly townreads pyxxy when gira/pyxxy call him scummy
asks me about pyxxy
shades me shading dizzy
#671 says i should not have a serious wolfread on dizzy
claims not to realize abigail asked me the question...
#728 calls gira most likely wolf when i press him
"we're about to chop rondo, right"
#1166 votes wind, "convinced myself against the leetic vote" what leetic vote???
#1180: "Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving."
then "can't bring himself to think leetic is a wolf"
"if we are going to roll the dice beter to do it on abigail imo"
calls abi/pyxxy the standard d1s that don't have votes
opposes consolidating on bereft
keeps naming leetic/abigail/gira in interactions
responds to dizzy disavowing setting up a ran/dizzy dichotomy
votes robyn claims "going with the flow", says ted not a good choice today.
-- d2
claims he would have left his vote off wagon, prob on abigail or "maybe" dizzy
claims dizzy looks better, abby looks bad
#2124 doubles down on abi attack
has the bad push on me
"Could it be that Mac was killed because he was wrong, not because he was right?" lol
then throws out Gira/Ran/x team
"Five flips are dizzy rondo bereft ran and Abigail narrowly over Ted before Leetic asks"
pyxxy asks if i have wolf equity with dizzy, tsp says no
then kinda shuts down
"Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group"
and then all seems noncommittal towards eod and ghosts the actual eod
Conclusions: prob exactly 1 in bereft/dizzymade and the other in pyxxy/leetic, pretty heavily leaning pyxxy since not making eod is pretty congruous with no one trying to save TSP.
Rondo, Gira town, Abi town unless world's best theatre.
[VOTE:
Pyxxy] aubergine
okay
so then the other wolves just didn't bother to try and save me during that ~3 hours where I was lead wagon and afk and then posting the forum equivalent of gruel?
just want to make sure I understand your worldview here
"Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group"
what's the context for this note?
because it seems unclear if it's about me or not, when taken as four lines together
pyxxy asks if i have wolf equity with dizzy, tsp says no
then kinda shuts down
"Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group"
and then all seems noncommittal towards eod and ghosts the actual eod
and like, I'm not sure I even wrote rondo's name yesterday, based on skimming my own iso just now
My top worldview is you/dizzy/tsp and wolves couldn't get anything going yesterday, yeah. The four names group is a quote from TSP, his last substantial post.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:27 am
And the flop on Robyn geez
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:27 am
Could it be that Mac was killed because he was wrong, not because he was right?
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:36 am
well now I’m sitting on Gira / ran / X yeah
Abby is just in the archetype of people I like to suspect [is the reality of it]
[VOTE:
TSP] aubergine
Just look at this. There is no universe town TSP comes in to this day and believes and says these things.
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:36 am
Maybe not his scumreads, but he did make a serious push to protect and get people off of Bereft (and/or dizzy), and it was working, even before any of the robyn stuff happened. Here's the post again for reference:
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:05 pm
Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving.
The two people he's pushing are the voters on Bereft, which he even lampshades directly and calls them towny(?!). The other wagon atp is dizzy with me and mac voting there iirc, and he blows that off as well.
The more I look here the more I am seeing tsp/bereft/dizzy. Which is very premature but. There's hella agenda.
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:12 am
Although this thread still seems suspiciously quiet. @WindwardAway any reason why you're significantly less vocal this phase than you were in the last?
Not to answer for wind in specific, but it is the weekend and our long day 1 was pretty exhausting. Would be nice if folks were around more though but... I've said my piece and don't have much new, the ball is in Dizzy's and Bereft's and Rondo's respective courts. I've cooled on TSP some but still can't really understand his mindset... but now that he's channeling illario it's probably impractical to kill him today regardless.
[VOTE:
Dizzy] aubergine
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:04 am
It occurs to me that TSP did not get a secret vote yesterday. If the wagon in other thread = vote theory is correct that means illario was not a wagon d1, and went straight from that to getting voted out... hm.
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:32 pm
I'm down to kill tsp if illario doesn't show up.
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:25 pm
I suppose TSP isn't the worst option ever, especially since ilario seems intent on doing nothing, but I would much rather flip Dizzy here.
Same.
This progression, no personal offense to Ranmilia, smells.
It's bus all day but if we can squeeze another chop out of TSP, then wolves will be much better off, because wolves misplayed revealing the Ilario connection.
No offense taken, I suppose you have to here, but this directly contradicts both reality and the solve you're pushing. Sorry things have gone this way.
TSP ISO thoughts
#285 "wolves in nutella brad monroe scotty" in other thread
early back and forths with leetic, abigail
#483 i'm bad at the game
randomly townreads pyxxy when gira/pyxxy call him scummy
asks me about pyxxy
shades me shading dizzy
#671 says i should not have a serious wolfread on dizzy
claims not to realize abigail asked me the question...
#728 calls gira most likely wolf when i press him
"we're about to chop rondo, right"
#1166 votes wind, "convinced myself against the leetic vote" what leetic vote???
#1180: "Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving."
then "can't bring himself to think leetic is a wolf"
"if we are going to roll the dice beter to do it on abigail imo"
calls abi/pyxxy the standard d1s that don't have votes
opposes consolidating on bereft
keeps naming leetic/abigail/gira in interactions
responds to dizzy disavowing setting up a ran/dizzy dichotomy
votes robyn claims "going with the flow", says ted not a good choice today.
-- d2
claims he would have left his vote off wagon, prob on abigail or "maybe" dizzy
claims dizzy looks better, abby looks bad
#2124 doubles down on abi attack
has the bad push on me
"Could it be that Mac was killed because he was wrong, not because he was right?" lol
then throws out Gira/Ran/x team
"Five flips are dizzy rondo bereft ran and Abigail narrowly over Ted before Leetic asks"
pyxxy asks if i have wolf equity with dizzy, tsp says no
then kinda shuts down
"Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group"
and then all seems noncommittal towards eod and ghosts the actual eod
Conclusions: prob exactly 1 in bereft/dizzymade and the other in pyxxy/leetic, pretty heavily leaning pyxxy since not making eod is pretty congruous with no one trying to save TSP.
Rondo, Gira town, Abi town unless world's best theatre.
TSP ISO thoughts
#285 "wolves in nutella brad monroe scotty" in other thread
early back and forths with leetic, abigail
#483 i'm bad at the game
randomly townreads pyxxy when gira/pyxxy call him scummy
asks me about pyxxy
shades me shading dizzy
#671 says i should not have a serious wolfread on dizzy
claims not to realize abigail asked me the question...
#728 calls gira most likely wolf when i press him
"we're about to chop rondo, right"
#1166 votes wind, "convinced myself against the leetic vote" what leetic vote???
#1180: "Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving."
then "can't bring himself to think leetic is a wolf"
"if we are going to roll the dice beter to do it on abigail imo"
calls abi/pyxxy the standard d1s that don't have votes
opposes consolidating on bereft
keeps naming leetic/abigail/gira in interactions
responds to dizzy disavowing setting up a ran/dizzy dichotomy
votes robyn claims "going with the flow", says ted not a good choice today.
-- d2
claims he would have left his vote off wagon, prob on abigail or "maybe" dizzy
claims dizzy looks better, abby looks bad
#2124 doubles down on abi attack
has the bad push on me
"Could it be that Mac was killed because he was wrong, not because he was right?" lol
then throws out Gira/Ran/x team
"Five flips are dizzy rondo bereft ran and Abigail narrowly over Ted before Leetic asks"
pyxxy asks if i have wolf equity with dizzy, tsp says no
then kinda shuts down
"Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group"
and then all seems noncommittal towards eod and ghosts the actual eod
Conclusions: prob exactly 1 in bereft/dizzymade and the other in pyxxy/leetic, pretty heavily leaning pyxxy since not making eod is pretty congruous with no one trying to save TSP.
Rondo, Gira town, Abi town unless world's best theatre.
If I die tonight, which now looks intensely unlikely but you never know, do not touch Rondo, he's the only person (besides me) doing anything in this eod.
The rest I don't even know anymore. Don't take anything I said as gospel.
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:25 pm
I suppose TSP isn't the worst option ever, especially since ilario seems intent on doing nothing, but I would much rather flip Dizzy here.
Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:46 pm
The micro around ted's claim passed the smell test for me tho, so I rlly rlly rlly do not see myself reevaluating there
I have reasons why his claim didn't pass the smell test for me
If you think you're about to be night killed and its going to be lost with you why are you not sharing it?
Cause ngl I was hoping Ted would possibly eat the nightkill so I wouldn't have to solve him
I targeted him last night and I find it suspicious that he said he won't answer any questions about whatever his role is
NO
STOP
WHY
sdgkhsdkghsdklg
If any of the people who are doubting me are town, here's a biscuit for you, I knew all these PRs and never kill mac over them.
Fine. Wind I will likely vote with you. I want dizzy, bereft, tsp out the most as you know. I can see pyxxy as well. Who do you want.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:36 pm
I think the Dizzy wagon looks worse than the pyxxy wagon in terms of who's on it
Not like terribly worse but I get a slimy feeling from it, mainly because it seems primarily like a policy yeet so reasonably anyone could be on it and take no blame if Dizzy is town
It is. The slime comes from the AtE. I'll take the blame. Any chance I can get you on it?
Yeah it does come from the AtE at least partially but I don't see why we can't just policy yeet him later if he doesn't commit to the game. Why does it have to be today?
And I know that's oddly phrased but I still have a glimmer of hope that we CAN discern his alignment, given a bit more time. Unless he actually never posts again, but I didn't interpret what he said to mean exactly that.
Because I value game integrity and am tired of people AtEing and not playing/quitting when they're pushed. I know what you're interpreting.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:36 pm
I think the Dizzy wagon looks worse than the pyxxy wagon in terms of who's on it
Not like terribly worse but I get a slimy feeling from it, mainly because it seems primarily like a policy yeet so reasonably anyone could be on it and take no blame if Dizzy is town
It is. The slime comes from the AtE. I'll take the blame. Any chance I can get you on it?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:07 pm
I think these wagons somewhat imply Rondo is mafia too though because if he was town I think the mafia would have tried to put emphasis on him by now.
Could also apply this logic to Bereft and to a lesser extent Pyxxy.