The Syndicate

jack i'm sorry i still feel bad that i let you die completely by accident :'(

i am still wondering what was the deal with ddl's tea, tbh

ok technically i wasn't backup doc. i was only backup burn heal

counted as* the end of the day

LMAO RIP chardonnay's + my collective decision making skills

was a really good time though. well played you guys

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:06 pm cass wow nice play! you were a backup doc right?

yeah! how did you know / why did you not nk me lol

is it just a guess based on flavor? bc it makes sense tbh

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:06 pm jack i still don't know why the 2nd burn wins

i straight up forgot the mod kills counted at the end of the day and didn't send in another pm to save jack bc i'm an idiot lol

fatmo's dov vote looks pretty weak/bussing-ish to me fwiw but let me know what you think

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:44 am idk maybe I do favor Fatmo over DoV tomarrow.

Do you mean over Cayvie?

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:08 am
cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:03 am
cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:44 am cayvie-dov: do you think we leave fatmo, who can track either of us, alive?
I... kind of do? I want to trust you, and I'm leaning towards Fatmo as final vote, but I don't think this logic totally checks out. But it would be pretty easy for you guys to claim fatmo's results were an attempt by scum to frame you. Like by the time fatmo was a claimed tracker who could get a result we were at, what, kilo-1? Getting pretty close to the end of the game there, perfect time for weird mafia gambits, is what scum!you would say to tracker results (maybe).

Otoh I think there are probably more scenarios where fatmo makes sense as scum. I think they've probably mostly just been telling the truth about everything, with the thought that there's no sense in spinning a web of lies. (I mean, they'd be lying about visiting dov in that case, but it would look very weird not to have visited dov.)

Pedit: yeah the 1v1 scenario is the only way I can think that Cayvie/dov really works with these nightkills, but it's quite a while for them to expect to go without getting caught. Your intense townread on fatmo is giving me pause, but I'm leaning towards the "fatmo is scum and they didn't think this through" hypothesis at this point I think.
i mean i'm basically 99% on dov/fatmo at this point. i'm curious why you're leaning toward fatmo as final vote, but have your vote on dov rn? it looked like you waited until i took my vote off dov to put one on him as well. im curious about that thought process.

oh, I meant final day vote, like between you and fatmo after we flip dov today.

I waited till fatmo posted to make my vote bc of the voting order? But I figured no sense waiting around for fatmo (who I notice still hasn't voted...) to actually cast a vote.

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:44 am cayvie-dov: do you think we leave fatmo, who can track either of us, alive?

I... kind of do? I want to trust you, and I'm leaning towards Fatmo as final vote, but I don't think this logic totally checks out. But it would be pretty easy for you guys to claim fatmo's results were an attempt by scum to frame you. Like by the time fatmo was a claimed tracker who could get a result we were at, what, kilo-1? Getting pretty close to the end of the game there, perfect time for weird mafia gambits, is what scum!you would say to tracker results (maybe).

Otoh I think there are probably more scenarios where fatmo makes sense as scum. I think they've probably mostly just been telling the truth about everything, with the thought that there's no sense in spinning a web of lies. (I mean, they'd be lying about visiting dov in that case, but it would look very weird not to have visited dov.)

Pedit: yeah the 1v1 scenario is the only way I can think that Cayvie/dov really works with these nightkills, but it's quite a while for them to expect to go without getting caught. Your intense townread on fatmo is giving me pause, but I'm leaning towards the "fatmo is scum and they didn't think this through" hypothesis at this point I think.

[VOTE: dov] aubergine

fatmo... where'd you go? do you have a track result? what's your vote?

honestly fatmo not being here is making me distrust them more - fatmo if you're town, don't make us lose this way

Oh, duh, because fatmo can't track me due to element stuff. Yeah that's Cayvie's thought as well. But I guess that doesn't actually help me resolve whether or not to trust fatmo... :/

Lol, I wish I was this good as scum.

Why does town fatmo point towards me being scum, specifically? Does that mean fatmo is scum fmpov? :o

I don't really think I buy Cayvie's logic that she and dov would have killed fatmo bc of the risk of getting caught, when it would be pretty easy to just claim fatmo was lying scum trying to frame one of them if fatmo happened to track them successfully

I also feel like that logic over fatmo being alive coming from Cayvie felt a bit... neat? like the logic perfectly worked to cast suspicion on everyone unconfirmed except Cayvie and dov. But I'm nervous to cast judgement based on this because my gut feelings have been trash this game lol

the more I think about this the more I'm convinced that if fatmo is scum then this is a really weird/bad move on their part

on the other hand I can see fatmo/dov who aren't exactly the most engaged with the game, just deciding to have fatmo claim their real role bc why not, and not thinking about the logistics of being a claimed power role at KILO

but I think assuming some modicum of planning on scum's part that probably makes fatmo town? it's like a weird backwards thing, where if they did just make this bad decision, they might have just won with it since we're all so confused lol

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:30 am cayive could just be ditching DOV here, and hoping to win a 3 way with Cassowary, and fatmo.

This is my #1 fear rn. I doubt it's Cayvie+Fatmo, but I don't know whether I should trust Cayvie or Fatmo in that case.

Re fatmo's claim, yeah that is definitely kind of weird. The only scum motive I can really think of would be, like, if fatmo claimed VT and they were worried someone else would later turn out to be an investigative (like, watcher or something) who could spot fatmo visiting someone (either for track or kill) and call them out. But I think in that case when the doc is dead, why not just kill the investigator next night before they have the chance to spot you? It's a massclaim, you know who they would be. So I think that's kind of a weird choice to make for scum in this position :/

On the other hand this is kind of wifom especially in this game where roles are alignment blind; like maybe fatmo is scum and claimed tracker bc it doesn't say anything about his alignment and claiming a PR gives him a bit of town cred. (although it also makes people more suspicious of you when you aren't dead... so like... hmm)

In a town fatmo world do you think Cayvie/dov leave fatmo alive when the risk of getting caught is so high? I guess yeah because if they got rid of fatmo they'd have to try to make everyone vote me... and because it'd be easy to write off fatmo's results as trying to frame Cayvie or whatever. I guess it wouldn't be too hard to wifom out of that situation.

I really wish we'd already flipped Cayvie. I'm sorry about that, I know dead chat probably wants to kill us right now.

yeah, I think that makes sense esp since as you pointed out we actually need 2/3 to hammer which i did forget

i bet chard would want to swap you and fatmo in the list tho

[mention]chardonnay[/mention], what's informing your fatmo read? are you still townreading fatmo over cayvie? can't decide tbh :/

[mention]Fatmo[/mention], do you have a track result?

i doubt anyone will take issue with putting dov first on the list though, so [mention]dov[/mention] you should go ahead and vote for someone

ok f5 nobody vote cavalierly lol

legit if it turns out chard is scum and is leading me on with this towntell business i'll be... well, i'll be vaguely upset for like 2 seconds

but also i don't think chard being scum makes sense with this whole burn thing barring some extremely weird shenanigans so i feel p confident trusting him

yeah, I think dov is the correct vote for me tomorrow

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:34 pmi never saw a real objective in voting carrot. i don't think I would've defended against the decision if I was scum

um:

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:24 pmnot feeling anything with fatmo, may be carrotte in a scenario where i am still alive based on her knowing it's my first game knowing i will be very vulnerable (then again lots of people could've used this strategy on this basis, i just know her personally)

i don't think it's chardonnay or wilgy

fmpov this leaves 3 teams, cayvie/fatmo, cayvie/dov, or dov/fatmo

if i can eliminate one of these i'll know who to vote

jeez

ok it's gotta be dov right?? can it be cayvie/fatmo playing an insane bus game??

unless cayvie's still around and wants to self pres onto carotte i guess lol

i'll probably flip onto cayvie to break the tie if it's still a tie in like an hour. bc ties are broken by the mafia, so if cayvie's maf, there's no sense in giving them the choice, and if cayvie is town then we're ending up with a misflip no matter whether or not we're tied

Well, we're in a tie right now, which sucks

I guess you said dov/carotte earlier but like, now you're saying one of me or fatmo is mad? how does that square

Fair enough. What scum teams do you find likely from your PoV, then?

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:43 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:31 pm fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo
So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?

To clarify here, had mafia killed off Fatmo, they'd essentially narrow the mafia pool down to you, Carot, and dov, where 2/3 of those were mafia. Bad odds. Fatmo isn't remotely cleared by this of course, but I don't think killing LC means as much as you're making it out to mean.

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:31 pm fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?

----

Going back over some early cayvie/carotte stuff rn

I said it was weird U-G gave thoughts on cayvie that were based on really old stuff and I do think it's interesting that U-G's logic there mirrors this Carot post from p1:

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:18 pmI think cayvie is townie because in a t!Alison world a wolf would probs be more likely to believe the claim immediately rather than try to undermine it. (her reply to your post was like 2 minutes after) Her motivation seems to be heavily experience/~emotions based in a way that's more "townie being careful" than "scum trying to discredit".

Carotte actually pretty heavily defends Cayvie against a lot of the people looking to vote her d1:

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:11 pm
Spoiler: show
I don’t see any tmi about Allison’s alignment in DDL’s post. His reasoning for townreading her is basically identical to mine with a hedge. If I see tmi it’s here.

cayvie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:01 pm oh that makes a lot of sense, thank you for clarifying. i was kinda ??? at your original post.

i think that DDL's post is talking about Alison's post as dangerous in a meta-sense, that this is a dangerous precedent to set for future games but not necessarily this one? so not necessarily bad for town in this game, but bad for town *in general*. kind of reminds me of policy chops in a way.

i do see what you mean about how it potentially TMIs Alison as town.
Where Cayvie sees a tmi that doesn’t exist as indicating that DDL is a wolf.

Contrast with this post.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:09 pm Yeah nutella, like he's trying to show he's hesitating but he actually knows she's town.

Cayvie yeah in long-term I meant throughout-games/meta-sense. Like, he can extrapolate to long term because he already knows how it's unfolding in this game? I don't think it's like policy chops though, because policy chops are more like: x is making this game harder because blabla so we should chop them (immediate impacts, short/medium term impact), when this is more like assuming things and how they can affect long long term stuff

tl;dr is just UH OH NOT GOOD
Which reads practically like drooling. Could be a wolf looking for a misyeet. Could be a townie thinking they see a chance to nab a wolf.

Carot is not scum with DDL.

All this makes this post

cayvie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:24 pm i think DDL and carotte are town rn!
all the more “interesting.”

I kinda wanna flip DDL even though logically the move is to flip Cayvie. Both can consider themselves on notice.

Spoiler: show
Btw, I think I’m gonna try to be a “team player” this game and see how that works out. I’m not bothering with Carot cause Alison trusts them.

Lol what does my post drooling mean??
I don't really see it thought because I do see how DDL's post is TMI in the way it's worded I do agree that the transition to townreading both of us is a bit ??? but I think w!cayvie would have been more mindful about that.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:55 am[VOTE: Cayvie] aubergine

Secondaries could go to Cass, Alison

Tertiary PSI or DJ.

Discuss.

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I'm not really seeing what you see about cayvie tbh, I disagree with her about your post feeling forced but it wasn't a "useless" comment. Is there something else that makes you wanna vote cayvie? What did you think of her during her initial interactions with Alison?

Why Alison is secondary?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:55 pm I'm leaning toward cayvie as the chop right now. I don't like how her change of opinion on DDL went, and her ISO largely reads to me like pocketing attempts of DDL and Alison. [VOTE: cayvie] aubergine
I'm a *little bit* bothered that this is thinking in term of finding a chop rather than finding wolves.

I have wrongly scumread Long Con before so I'm trying to be careful and give it more time though. I liked nutella's vote on him.

Carot responding to ~all the people saying they want to vote cayvie with objections seems a little sketch to me if cayvie is maf

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:38 am [VOTE: Jiwon] aubergine

Hmn I realized that I might not be able to be around for EoD :/
Anyway. I think my preferred flip is Jiwon. Would be okay with cassowary, DDL or DJ too. Don't want to flip cayvie or UG.

This is a gutsy move if the team was carotte/cayvie/ug/jovian tbh

Idk, other people let me know your thoughts on a Carotte/Cayvie mafia pairing

dov/fatmo are PoE too, though

Gonna try and sell myself on the cayvie case too I guess

Looking at cayvie/UG interactions...

I believe the only time cayvie mentioned UG pre-flip was in this ordering:

Spoiler: show

I can see a mafia member putting one of their partners in the 'would vote but not that happy about it' category for sure.

It is a little weird though because the other scum we know in this list is KS (who was replaced by Jovian). If it's cayvie/dov and cayvie's only partner who's around is UG, does cayvie put UG under "would vote"? I don't know actually -- maybe, if she knew KS was getting replaced soon.

If it's cayvie/carotte (possible but maybe unlikely? Will look into the possibility of this team later I guess) then scum!cayvie puts one of her partners as top townread? Idk about this either tbh but I can see this working if it was Cayvie/Carotte/UG/KS and the goal was to get Cayvie and/or Carotte deep.

I guess cayvie not having anything to say on UG before UG flipped mafia is kind of sketch though. Afterwards she did all those analyses of interactions with UG (though leaving herself out of course)

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:23 pm PSINE calling Cayvie out feels.... Odd? Like, not scummy odd but more like "I'm out of my element and kinda making things up as I go and things are escalating because of it"??? It's hard to explain.

I'm pretty sure this was the PSI post in question:

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:15 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:58 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:46 pm All righty, I'm back again. Man I wish I had more time to interact with the thread over a long period of time rather than just popping in with a few posts and leaving again...I should have more time on the weekend, which isn't super helpful for Day 1 but maybe I can be more helpful on Day 2.

Think I'll put together a reads list (enclosed below). I haven't reread the thread yet because I don't have time, so sorry if I remember things wrong.

Spoiler: show
Alison--Like I said, I believe her claim. It makes sense to me and I'm not personally seeing it coming from scum. I won't put her locktown though because apparently it isn't out of her wolfrange, but she's definitely strong town.

Carotenoid--As I said before, her tone is still odd to me and my gut is telling me not to trust her. She agrees that her tone is "noticeably different", but she doesn't really explain on that at all? It's a bit confusing. She has mindmelded with me a little bit though, so I wouldn't write it off as her being town, but it could also be a pocketing attempt? If that's the case it does match up with her current townread of me. I'm putting her at a mild scumlean.

Cassowary--Others have brought this up, and I hadn't before, but I agree that something feels off about them. They've just had an odd tone that I'm not vibing with. They could use an ISO which I don't really have time for atm, but I know there's something off there. Mild scumlean as well.

Cayvie--Ugh I can't read her anymore. My initial scumlean was for a reason that has obviously been a mistake, but she's not super townie to me either. I've seen posts that could go either way for her. I'd like to have a stronger lean, but right now she'll be an uncomfortable null.

Chardonnay--I'm actually feeling pretty good about him right now. I've mindmelded with him on more than a few things so far, and I agree with almost all of his takes. I do know that I agreed with a lot of his takes in the last game I played with him (I was civ and he was wolf) so I wouldn't put it past him, but I'm feeling pretty good about him so far. Moderate townlean.

DJ Neutron Star--I'm having a hard time reading her. My gut knee-jerk read would be mafia, but whenever I think that my brain immediately goes "wait no probably town" so I can't decide yet. Super super light scumlean.

Dov--He's had a single post the whole game, just to say "good luck". Normally I would see this as scummy, but I've seen it from town too many times to really pin it down. Would like more content. Null.

DDL--Gut read comes up town, but I'm unfamiliar with him so he could totally be scum. I so need to do an ISO on him, but until that happens it'll be a mild townlean.

DrWilgy--I really don't know. I can't pin anything down yet. They're a perfectly solid null at the moment. I'll need more content to decide.

Fatmo--One post I think? Similar to Dov, they just sort of dropped in with a "sup" and disappeared. Again, I would normally see this as scummy if not for the townies who also do this. Null.

JackofHearts2005--I'm sure they're perfectly capable of their current play as scum, but my gut says town. I haven't seen enough to quantify a legitimate read, so I'll leave it as a mild townlean.

JiwonMeganPark--I'm honestly not seeing too much scummy about them? They kinda just read like a jokey player. I don't mind the wagon, but I'm not sure it's the absolute best option right now.

KitsuShel--No posts.

Long Con--I've got a gut scumread here but no real reason to justify it. He could really go either way. Mild scumlean.

Nutella--She reads town to me, but I get the feeling she's a good enough player to pull this off as mafia. I haven't really had any mindmelds with her yet either, so I'll have to put her as null.

Ultimate-Gamer--Null.
Sorry the readlist is full of "well I feel this but it could be this" and my gutreads, but as I haven't had time to ISO anyone and there isn't anything standing out to me yet, this is the best I can muster. I'm all right joining most of the wagons (as in, none of them are "wait no that person has got to be town" for me) but I don't want to place down a vote until I've had the chance to do at least a bit more work.
i really like this post fwiw
Why? What about it do you like? It's just a readlist full of gutreads. Want to get specific for me and tell me what specifically you like about it? (For the record, the answer may help me read you.)

U-G casting kinda weird shade at psi for calling out cayvie? "You don't feel scummy but this is weird". PSI's post doesn't really read weird to me, it's asking for an elaboration on a vague post in response to something she said. I can see U-G seeing this slightly suspicious post made at his partner, maybe reading it as more serious than it was, and getting a little defensive on her behalf as scum?

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:50 amOkay let’s move onto Cayvie
Starts of explaining the divisions in the elements and characters… Kinda gets into it with Alison about power roles… Gets really heated with Alison… I don’t Know Cayvie very well but from a scum perspective, what would be gained by this? Like, I’d like to imagine that if Cayvie was startin to but heads with Alison, what would they gain by keeping it up and standing their ground on this? They could have easily said “oh shoot you’re right” and blended RIGHT back in. This doesn’t feel like someone with something to hide ya know?

Yeah the more I read the more I’m seeing a townie actively trying to solve the game to the best of their ability and not concerning themselves with trying to be not noticed. I’m feeling a better town read I think.

It's a bit weird that U-G defends cayvie here on stuff that happened really early on but doesn't really go further than that? like this post was on page 7 and he's discussing stuff from like page 2 to move towards a townread, when there was more stuff to discuss for sure. Hmm

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:57 amCayvie: ISO'd. Also town. Unlike Alison, I CAN see a universe where Cayvie is scum, but her actions make MORE sense as town. She's active, she's solving the game, she's putting herself out there in a way that would be counterintuitive as scum. Pretty good town lean.

This like "well i think town read but hmm maybe could be mafia oh gee but probably not" strikes me as possible w/w stuff

Hmm ok starting to think maybe I should just vote cayvie get gravy lol

fwiw, dov, the reason I personally trust chardonnay, at least, is that his interactions with U-G (a confirmed mafia) don't read at all like two mafia interacting to me. like, check out this interaction:

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:21 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:07 pm
Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:58 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:48 pm
DJ Neutron Star wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:34 pm @chardonnay
can i confirm why you're voting cassowary? you haven't said much immediately about them outside of 'something' feeling off and currently disagreeing with their PSINE read
forcing a read that they weren't really confidant in, (PSINightmare).
Oh shit I just did that huh

Yeah I didn't want my FIRST iso to be a null read so I kinda put a gun to my head and said "Nooter slightly scummy" even though it's closer to null.
I mean... there's nothing inhertly wrong with forcing a read for the sake of content generation. Its more when its done for the sake of not standing out.

Im not sure what to make of you lamp shading your own actions so quickly UG haha. You seem pretty ill at ease rn.
Oh yeah I'm absolutely ill at ease. This is a new game on an unfamiliar site, with new people I've never played. I am anxious as FUCK rn even outside of game stuff.

So I'm kinda, just talking. I'm just gonna kinda say whatever comes to me and then judge people based on how they react to that.

That's worked for me before so even if I can't fall back on familiar metas, there's always That.

And sorry if people were trying to address me before this, I'm still at work, I'll try to find time later.

we know u-g is mafia; do you think a mafia chardonnay makes sense in this interaction?

no, give your thoughts! if chardonnay really is mafia it would be really good to figure that out so we don't lose the game...

lol i just realized more than half the remaining people have names that start with C

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:51 amim not good at reads since this is my first game and in addition i will feel like a shitty person if i accuse the wrong person and get them chopped

dov for real me and chardonnay just convinced town to kill the wrong person yesterday, it happens sometimes and being wrong is just part of the game, but i really would love to know any thoughts you have right now, we're kind of coming down to the wire

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:51 ami want to believe at least one of the maf is cass since she wasn't cleared as town if im reading that correctly, but too many people are playing the same sort of game where it could be anyone essentially this late in the game.

not trying to omgus here, but I don't really like how dov singles me out as unconfirmed town while ignoring cayvie and carotte. Hmm maybe I shouldn't be giving dov so much benefit of the doubt. :[

chard: last day you said you were thinking it was either DDLxCayvie or CarottexDov:

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:17 am Its shaping up to look like the team is ethier DDL, and Cayvie. Or, Carotte, and DoV.

CarotxDov is a bit left field, but more possible then other DoV teams. Only weird thing is DoV openly saying that he was sheeping Carotte N1. Almost seems like too uncomfortable a thing for mafia to confess doing to another mafia. Espeasly when DoV was already p nervous about how he was perceived.

(unless I'm misreading what you meant here I guess)

so now that we know DDL is town, if you're still wanting to go with Cayvie, who are you proposing as Cayvie's partner?

Not really trying to defend Cayvie here, I just want to feel better about it if we're choosing to vote her over Carotte or Dov today and I want someone to sell me on the case more

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:13 am @cassowary were you able to reread the game?

If not then just tell me your current thoughts

I really think Carotte's interactions w/ confirmed maf look not great tbh. Like what Carotte says about U-G in these few posts strikes me as very possible w/w. And Carotte voted MJ d2, but didn't have much to say on it tbh, looks kinda like bussing for town cred when it was obvious Jovian was going down (i mean Jovian already had 3 votes at this point and already had attracted substantial suspicion).

Looking back I can see cayvie's posts coming from maf as well (though i'm feeling stronger about Carot atm) and I feel bad for weirding myself away from voting cayvie yesterday. But I'm not sure I really have anything concrete on Cayvie other than PoE? But if it's PoE it could be Fatmo or Dov as well... hm. I'm a little confused atm :/

[VOTE: carotenoid] aubergine

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:24 pmCassowary isnt mod cleared as town, but they hit a town tell I've discovered of theirs and im super confidant they are town. Not outting this info b/c its a pretty easy thing for Cass to fake if they were aware of it.

!! :O what could it be

fatmo don't forget you have to vote in the poll as well

but also ties are broken by mafia so I'd really rather this doesn't end up as 3-3-2

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:23 pm You'll always be cool and original in my heart Cassowary :P

If we cant get DDL by EoD would you support Cayvie?

Um, I'm not sure? My heart is telling me don't vote cayvie and i'll admit that's a terrible reason, but I am not feeling it rn, that's actually kind of why I voted DDL instead :/

I'm Yue, water, role PM says I have no abilities which is obviously silly because I should be able to turn into the moon

Starting to feel like DDL might be the better vote over cayvie? I feel like DDLxCarotte might be possible in addition to DDLxCayvie, so DDL is the better vote

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

pedit: Wow i thought i was going to be cool and original with my vote

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:58 pm
cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:26 pm I could be wrong but I'm really not feeling dov as scum

I mean, what is there on dov even? The silent vote? If he comes from a context of playing faster mafia games where voting is handled more casually then I think it's not too suspicious.

Idk it just feels like dov is being set up as a really easy misflip where mafia can go 'oh, well, he was actually suspicious though! we all make mistakes!'

It's possible dov really is scum but I'd really much rather flip someone else today.
what's changed for you since this post?

cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:42 pm My PoE I think is {Wilgy, Dov, Carotte, LC}. But I'm not really sure about the fourth person, there. Cayvie you give Fatmo a (medium, medium) associative -- is that just because Fatmo didn't interact with UG or MJ, or is there something else you're looking at to base that on?

(a) Wilgy and LC are green-checked and (b) I'm more open to the idea of you and DDL as scum

I haven't really been that suspicious of Dov ever though. I haven't voted him at all iirc and I mentioned these thoughts on him a while ago and nothing's really changed there. He was mostly there before because I haven't had much of a read on him all game and I trusted other people more.

But as is I really don't see myself voting outside {Carotte, Cayvie, DDL, Fatmo} today.

Chard/Carotte, if you guys are proposing Cayvie/DDL as the last two scum, what's up w/ this tea thing do you think? :/

pedit: if you're worried i might be scum you could make an actual case against me instead of shading me on activity level

I could be wrong but I'm really not feeling dov as scum

I mean, what is there on dov even? The silent vote? If he comes from a context of playing faster mafia games where voting is handled more casually then I think it's not too suspicious.

Idk it just feels like dov is being set up as a really easy misflip where mafia can go 'oh, well, he was actually suspicious though! we all make mistakes!'

It's possible dov really is scum but I'd really much rather flip someone else today.

i would assume so? and fwiw all the air people are dead at this point

i'll give more comprehensive opinions when i'm not swamped at work but I trust PSI's bolding as a crumb so I'll trust LC and Wilgy

(I also think LC and Wilgy seem like likely investigation candidates, and PSI just blatantly TRing Wilgy with no explanation when a bunch of other people were putting him in their PoE mafia club definitely gives credibility to the idea that Wilgy was green-checked)

My PoE I think is {Wilgy, Dov, Carotte, LC}. But I'm not really sure about the fourth person, there. Cayvie you give Fatmo a (medium, medium) associative -- is that just because Fatmo didn't interact with UG or MJ, or is there something else you're looking at to base that on?

psi, who would you vote for out of { dov, marcher } ?

Well, we've got a little over 2 hours left.

I'm already voting Jovian and don't really intend on moving. I'm ~ok with Dov yeet too but I think there's a stronger case against Jovian.

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:48 pm What's the difference between hammerable and not hammerable, sorry I haven't been on, I wasn't on my PC for the weekend til now essentially

Not-hammerable is when you want to unvote -- you just want to take your vote off. The poll doesn't let you select no option, so that's the option you pick if you want to not have a vote after you already voted.

Hammerable is voting to end the day with a no-kill. If that's the leading vote at eod (I think), no one will be killed that day.

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:03 pm Also, if you guys truly think I'm scum, please just vote for me already. I didn't have a good start in the game because I wasn't sure what was happening but if you want to get rid of some suspicion, may as well vote me off because I'm sure as time goes on, you will only think I'm scum. I don't think there's any other way I can persuade otherwise, do what you must do.

I mean, you could read up on the thread and give your thoughts on the people you think are acting suspicious... and maybe even cast a vote yourself? :O

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Me, I'm still not really seeing any compelling non-wifomy evidence not to vote Jovian. So I'm gonna vote for Jovian. That stuff they said on why nutella's death clears them is too weird to ignore. And they kinda ghosted a bunch of D2 when it looked like they were going to die that day, which is exactly the kind of behavior I'd expect from cornered mafia.

[VOTE: Marcher Jovian] aubergine

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:00 pm I see the wolves have gone with the "crush souls" theory of kills

elaborate?

personally i'm kinda surprised, i thought they'd go for psi as 'hardest player to misyeet'

did jet just... die?

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