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by Vulgard
Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:27 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

Oh, the connection was actually right for the wrong reasons. My word choice was deliberate and I paid attention to it, I definitely meant it as in 'having.'

But hey, right for the wrong reasons is still right!
by Vulgard
Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:17 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

Read the Marl/Vulgard chat, it's funny.
by Vulgard
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:11 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

Sunbae, I'm really sorry, I felt myself unfairly treating you worse than I should have at the beginning there and I tried to avoid talking in the chat much for that reason.
by Vulgard
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:07 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

Hey, the best games come from the least threatening usernames.

Succdragon will find all the wolves.
by Vulgard
Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:57 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 8]

Here’s a little note about the theory of WW and how I’m going to play this game.




Okay, that’s not what I’m planning to write.

This is going to be a rather self-absorbed post, where I explain my mindset entering this game and the circumstances of my play. It contains some thoughts about the game and how I felt, plus the explanation of how we were thinking as a wolfteam. I’ll mostly be focusing on myself, though, because I need to get this off my chest. If you aren’t interested in this, skip it.
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When I signed up, I knew I was going to approach this game with the idea that I would try very hard regardless of alignment. I had never played in such a stacked playerlist before, and I wanted to prove myself.

I especially wanted to rand wolf, because “proving myself” as the wolf alignment is something I’ve wanted to do for a long, long time. On my homesite, I’m known as the wolf who usually gets outed super quickly. I either powerwolf and get clapped, or I’m obvwolf and get clapped before I ever approach powerwolf levels. Even in my two wolf games here, I was never really townread and I got clapped super quickly.

And then I rand wolf. Wolf PR, no less. This means I have to go for a deep run, but… I have never, ever been able to pull a deep run before. There has not been a single game where I was townread across the village as a wolf. But if I pulled that off in this game, people would start to respect my wolfplay. People would understand that I am a competent wolf. I can get townreads if my WiM is high enough, and if my time investment is high enough. I. Can. Wolf.

I looked at my team and noticed the lack of Arete in it. Everyone who knew me before randed town (the FoLers), including Arete, who has genuinely never misread me before. The “godread” business wasn’t BS. We have always, always caught each other when the other randed wolf. The streak has never been broken before.

Not only that, but the wolfteam I got was a big unknown to me. Nanook replaced out and KZA subbed in, then declared he was an awful wolf and couldn’t post. Dya was initially demotivated from randing wolf in this playerlist, for reasons I’ll not disclose unless Dya wants to do that themselves. C4 was someone who got caught in CoV and spewed a lot of people as town. I hate saying this, but I didn’t think the odds looked good. With me usually getting caught easily as wolf, having a team I had doubts about (sorry!), plus a bunch of townies on the other side who I knew were good at towning, I felt the odds were stacked against me a LOT. A LOT.

But I still wanted to prove myself in this game. The approach I selected was one of “doing things the people who know me think town!Vulgard does.” I have thought for a long while that people’s reading metrics for my play were faulty, and I was wondering if this approach would work.

It worked. Everybody townread me. Everyone, including people who knew me, including Arete, the person with 100% accuracy on me before this game. I took advantage of me having a proven good read on Gavial to misyeet him. I do genuinely have a very accurate read on him, the only reason I pushed him here was because I was a wolf and spun a narrative of his posts being wolfy. As town I probably listen to Arete’s defense of him.

My team itself may not be in a great spot, with KZA just shitposting and dya not being super motivated to play (that was my thought, anyway), but c4 is playing out of meta according to the village and I’m happy about that. I enter day 2 pretending that my Gavial misread made me lose confidence and I take a “back seat.” It’s all working out fine.

In the meantime, from n1 onwards, I conduct a PR hunt in wolfchat. My fellow wolves help me with this. I manage to iron out a PoE that contained all three PRs, on night 1. A fairly tight PoE, might I add. I originally even suggested roleblocking Hally when they were the vig shooting our wolf rolecop, which would’ve been awesome. Sadly, I was convinced not do this and to kill Hally instead. I don’t blame my teammates, I wasn’t 100% confident Hally was exactly vig, either. I holstered my roleblock n1 because I didn’t want to get tracked.

Throughout day 2, I continued to comb through the PR PoE. Toward the end, we knew exactly who the jailkeeper was. We knew it was Sunbae. I had also figured out Amy was PR sometime during day 1, and I pushed her on day 2 knowing that fact. We had the exact PRs down to the letter in the middle of day 2, and I did a large part of the hunting and ironing out the PR PoE. I have never seriously PR hunted before, and yet in a game with so many good players, I found the PRs as if I’ve always been good at this. And I was still townread, throughout day 2.

Going into night 2, I suspected Sunbae was going to target me. He had been questioning me in a weirdly prodding way on day 2, and was the only person to seriously suggest I might be mafia. Yes, he caught me despite me knowing he would. But then, how did that happen?

I roleblocked and submitted a kill on… Sunbae, that night. I thought that even if Sunbae jailkept me, our actions would cancel each other out because I’m roleblocking him, and he’d die.

“Why did you not ask your team, or the host, how the interaction worked?”

I don’t know.

"Why not roleblock Amy to prevent her from getting a track off?"

I remember thinking that letting her track someone was good WIFOM. But... I don't know.

"Why not have someone else carry the kill if you think Sunbae might jailkeep you?"

I thought dya and c4 weren't in a good position to carry because of Amy. My mindset was a bit weird.

“Why should we believe you?”

You don’t have to. I’m writing this mostly to get this off my chest.

“You’re feeling too sorry for yourself when you were caught fair and square.”

This is why I put this in spoilers, this is a bit of a lamentation, I must admit. I considered not including this part, but including it helps me realign my feelings. Sorry if anyone thinks this is conceited of me to do.

During night 2, I also had a chat with Marl where I successfully convinced him I was just town. I recommend that people read it if it's published, it's pretty funny in hindsight.

It felt so incredibly unfair when there was no kill that night.

On day 3, I actually told you the truth… as far as telling the truth as a wolf goes. I thought Zack jailkept Sunbae and that was the reason our kill failed, while Zack assumed Sunbae was scum because he’d blocked him. I was super excited about this, despite the fact it would mean my PR read was wrong. I softed to Marl that I was happy about Sunbae getting outed because he was in both of our PoEs overnight; I was not making him claim JK for me, it wasn’t conscious. I could pretend it was conscious to make myself seem better at the game than I actually am, but I never intended to have Marl claim JK for me. I did claim JK in my night chat with Marl, but it was a terrible claim and I frankly never thought he would believe me.

Then Sunbae comes in with the jailkeep on me. My team actually wants to concede. I don’t, because I think it’s still possible I get out of this. Sadly, it isn’t. Sunbae hammers in the fact I must be pushed and then I slowly give up as well, seeing that I’m not walking out of this scot-free no matter what I do. At best, I get one additional misyeet if I push really hard, and then die anyway. It didn’t seem worth it.

Also because my WiM was shot. I had the right PR reads, I had the right action targets, I did everything right. I carried the kill n2, because I thought both of my partners had a decent chance of getting tracked considering their thread positions. And because I didn’t think Sunbae jailkeeping me would matter when I was roleblocking him. I was townread by the entire thread. I was playing by far the best wolfgame of my life, my first ever deep run as a wolf in a playerlist so insanely stacked against me I could not believe it was working.

And then that happens.

My thoughts meander in wolfchat a bit. I want to lolcat at the end of the day, but at the same time I don’t. I watch Marl and Arete meander with their reads on me, Arete’s impassioned defense of me, and I’m like. “I did such an excellent job, I am STILL being defended. Why. Why is this happening. I wanted to just prove myself as a wolf one time. ONE. TIME. Why does something ALWAYS have to go wrong?”

I didn’t post for an entire day, and I couldn’t sleep during the night. I felt absolutely awful. Sunbae hammering in the yeet on me felt terrible and I actually had massive enmity toward him for a while. He was dead to rights. And yet it was turned around on me, and he posted in this overly dramatic way I thought was unwarranted for what happened in reality. It annoyed me to hell and back.

Right now, I don’t have such enmity anymore. I have nothing against Sunbae, though in the moment I was annoyed by him. Such are humans, I suppose? Even when you shouldn’t have negative feelings toward someone, since you’re playing a game as opposite alignments, you still feel like they don’t deserve to succeed. Stupid, I know. I’m ashamed I felt that way. It’s not like Sunbae insulted me or anything, he just shut down most avenues through which I could escape. I talked to everyone in the spec/dead chat for a long time and I hope I've made it obvious I don't have hard feelings toward anyone in this game.

I’m just… I’ll never get such an opportunity again, most likely. I had the chance for such an amazing deep run, and it was botched because I decided not to ask a mechanical question that would’ve solved the problem. Not to ask my teammates, not to ask the host. That was stupid. If I know the interaction, I just have c4 carry the kill instead.

Or maybe I have a fake memory because I unjustifiably feel vindicated. Maybe. I don’t know.

Either way, then I got yeeted.



I wrote this post while dead. I was really, really looking forward to finally showing that I am a capable wolf. As a villager, I still would’ve tried, but especially as a wolf I wanted to really show my abilities. I had the chance for a deep run unlike anything ever before, something no one who has ever played with me would have ever expected from me.

You could quote a certain video game character and say “Life is simply unfair.” I suppose there’ll be another time, but I don’t know when.

And no, I’m not asking for pity or anything of the sort here. I just wanted to get everything off my chest. You don’t even have to respond, or to read any of this.

And I apologize to my wolfmates if they believe I treated them unfairly in this post, or anytime before then. c4 reached final 3, after all, dya's lolcats were very funny, and KZA. This post is inherently selfish, self-indulgent, and biased. I do not have bones to pick with any of you.

I’d play a game in such a playerlist again. Maybe next time, I’ll get to have a performance I’m genuinely proud of.

And again, I’m sorry. I know some parts of this post are… questionable. I don’t mean to insult anyone. I don’t mean to make anyone feel bad.
Either way, GG.

And I updated my signature because that line was gold.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:57 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Arete wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:56 pm when your top townread that you've never misread before starts making posts that look like lolcatting with words

Image
I feel the insurmountable urge to spam pepega in the chat.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:38 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

The dya wagon, since it's above mine.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

bronana wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:27 pm [VOTE: sleep] aubergine

we need more information
Zack is town, he gets it.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:02 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Did you know "chat" is "cat" in French? You could say French cats like to chat.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:16 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 1]

Arete wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:11 am
Vulgard wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:09 am
Arete wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:38 am
Vulgard wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 am
Arete wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 am
Vulgard wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
since I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)

like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.
meow
uh

what does this post mean
I'm katze
katze in what way
In the way that I am getting misyeeted.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:09 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 1]

Arete wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:38 am
Vulgard wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 am
Arete wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 am
Vulgard wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
since I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)

like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.
meow
uh

what does this post mean
I'm katze
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:37 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

outed wolf wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 am [VOTE: dyachei] aubergine

disregard mech acquire pelts
I hate the fact I agree with Visor.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Nice crosspost.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 1]

Arete wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 am
Vulgard wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
since I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)

like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.
meow
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:30 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Arete wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:15 am @Vulgard

if you get voted out today and are a villager are there any non-mechanical reads (in either direction) that you strongly want pushed
My towncore of Arete/Amy/Sunbae/Nutella/Dizzy/Marl. I am very confident this is pure.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:01 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Tfw you're in a thunderdome with an outed wolf and everybody's voting you rather than the outed wolf.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:59 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

This is the first time in this game I don't need to spend 2 hours catching up and I soon realize this is exclusively because dya's been posting cat pics.

Well, you know what to do. Kill Visor, probably just kill dya after that regardless of everything.

I'm too out of it to make more reads. Making reads is overrated anyway, while sleeping is underrated.
by Vulgard
Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:58 am
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

I think we should sleep, we don't have enough information.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 5:44 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

staypositivefriend wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 5:39 pm like, if we live in a bizzaro world where vulgard is a villager, then it's incredibly important that we establish right now if marluxion simply distrusts vulgard, or if he's outright claiming that vulgard is lying about how things went down. i want to hear marl explain the dynamic between vulgard and himself with as much detail as he possibly can, because it will become extremely relevant to future discussion in a worst case scenario world where vulgard is a villager
Should I feel insulted?
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 5:27 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Kill me and kill Visor next, game's still winnable. I'm not going to post anymore unless something wild happens. I'm tired.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 3:50 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

The TanChlyn wagon should not exist.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 3:44 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

I'm meming, because if you decide to kill me, that's fine, as long as you get Visor next - once I flip green. I'm a bit tired of defending myself, and defending myself might not be the right play anyway, considering there's always a wolf between me and Visor - given what Sunbae laid out.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 2:49 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

bronana wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 2:44 pm vulgard apparently claiming jk to marl in their chat and then being like "well golly why did you all think I was hinting to marl to claim my target for me, I was merely observing bronanas soft" makes no sense

you CLAIMED JK to marl and it didn't occur to you to soft anything, or that marl would interpret your posts as softing? wtf. I never claimed jk in an overnight chat to anyone and I immediately considered softing something for reactions
Look, I'm VT and I don't do this often.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 2:32 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Sunbae's avatar is the thing that concerns me the most in this game.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 2:26 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

I will kill outed wolf with the power of memes alone. Dead villagers, please lend me your power.
My plan is to get you all to vote the outed wolf with memes alone. This game is in dire need of memes.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 2:21 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

And I also have an avatar Kylemii likes. Which is the best argument.

You're voting for an outed wolf or for an anime girl. Which one would you choose as a villager?
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 2:20 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Sheeping the clear is the right play here. Get off the Chloe wagon, it's not happening today. Me or Visor, take your pick. In hindsight, I think Visor's posts today sounding like he's angry about me getting cleared mean he's just a wolf who was banking on me getting misyeeted today. The argument for me being town, outside of the fact literally everyone who has experience with me (including someone with perfect read accuracy on me) townreads me, is the fact I've been perfectly transparent with my thought process at all points of the game, and that I've spent this entire day trying to figure out the situation and share my legacy instead of openwolfing and going into antispew.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 2:13 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Well, the PoE you're presenting does contain an outed wolf, so I'm sheeping this.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 1:54 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

outed wolf wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:51 pm
Vulgard wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:46 pm In fact, I think d2 is where I showed more panic than today, because I'd just singlehandedly misyeeted a villager and it colored my entire approach to day 2. I was much less decisive in my reads, for instance. I realigned myself today.
you had like no reaction to it lol
I... did?

I have no idea why I'm wasting a post on this.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 1:53 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Visor has the same PoE as me, except I'm the third wolf and my third wolf is SPF. If Visor's a wolf then he's either hardbussing or my reads are all wrong again.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 1:50 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

sunbae wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:49 pm Again, Outed Wolf was jailkept night 1 so that's the entire reason why it can be possible.

He targeted amy, got roleblocked himself, couldn't target amy n2, amy gets a track in this scenario

It is the only option that exists without you being a wolf and I can't fathom why you're just dismissing it when you've had outed wolf as a wolf for like a day and a half anyways
Oh. Well, then. I take back what I said, it's indeed possible.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 1:49 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

Why did the dya wagon disappear? What has dya done today that's making you think they're town?
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 1:46 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

sunbae wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:21 pm A villager will never, ever "bait marl into nightkilling me" because they think marl is a wolf in an overnight chat after spending apparently hours solving with marl and then coming into the thread the next day buddying marl and softing PR again.

Please also note the difference in posting style, intensity, and panic in vulgards postings today vs d1/d2 (which were super calm, chill, and meticulous).

The answer is the vulgard is wolf roleblocker who was setting up a potential claim for down the line to villager marl (both to increase thread influence by pocketing marl and to potentially eventually counter a kill a jk), sent in a kill on X and a rb on amy, got blocked, whoopsies.

The idea that the wolves thought they knew both power roles, knew that the jk was NOT blocking amy (which is the case if wolf marl thinks jailkeeper vulgard is blocking c4), and didn't roleblock amy is just preposterous. Asinine.

Your options are as follows:

1. Vulgard is a wolf who was rather clear, carried the kill as the safest option, got got
2. Outed Wolf is wolf roleblocker who targeted Amy n1, couldn't n2, decided to doc dodge onto vulgard, got a save. We don't even HAVE to have marl wolf for this scenario though its pretty likely.

Thats it.

Pick one and explain why.
Look, I could explain my thought process @ Marl for a day and I'd still be here explaining. There should be no difference in posting style; I think my approach to the game has been consistent. In fact, I think d2 is where I showed more panic than today, because I'd just singlehandedly misyeeted a villager and it colored my entire approach to day 2. I was much less decisive in my reads, for instance. I realigned myself today.

I did not soft PR "again," I have even explained this. There was never a PR soft on my part today.

The third point is something I can only answer with "no." So, no.

I don't know what the wolves did, I am offering suggestions because I'm trying to figure this out as much as everyone else.

Amy wasn't roleblocked night 1 because she said Zack went nowhere. Your outed wolf theory doesn't work.

"But Vul that means you're just a wolf." I'm town. I 100% understand why you're insisting; youre sure you got a red on me because of the circumstances, and because it's mechanically unlikely I'm a villager. But I am a villager. And if I do get yeeted today, please consider my legacy instead of writing it off, because the gamestate isn't what you think it is. You got a save on me, wolves probably thought I was JK, it is what it is.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 12:29 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]

I have a distinct feeling the only reason Dya is tackling Chloe right now is that it's the only viable wagon excluding me.

Actually. What do you think my alignment is? Or... what do you think about this situation in general?
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 12:06 pm
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Because I thought Zack was claiming Jailkeeper red on Sunbae? If Zack's jailkeeper then he's instaclearing himself unless CC'd. I was looking forward to having one player in that group cleared and another outed. @ Marl

Why do Visor's posts just now read like he's angry I'm getting cleared?
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 12:03 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:01 pm
Vulgard wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:58 am
Vulgard wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:54 am I agree that this seems like a false dichotomy. I understand going by Occam's Razor that this must make Marl a wolf, but socially I really don't think he's a wolf. He's had the towniest reactions in the thread to Sunbae's claim on me fmpov.

I don't think wolves thinking I'm PR is too unreasonable, especially since I've been actively trying not to spew myself VT.
I admit that I didn’t think of one thing:
I didn’t think about mafia not wanting to kill Amy because they may have expected her to get jailkept.
So I was thinking: Why would scum go for Vulgard instead of Amy unless they were sure Vulgard was JK.

That’s a mistake though, cause they weren’t just free to go for Amy anyway. So you may have just been their best guess. In which case, the Marl thing could be an unhappy coincidence.
I honestly can't find a better explanation than this. I really think Marl is just town. His reaction to Sunbae's claim would have to be some extreme theatrics if he were a wolf who knew what happened, and I simply don't think he's capable of that level of pretending.
When you said to Marl “Do you see what I see?” or whatever you said - What was you referring to?
I've talked about this already, but it was in a large post, so I'll restate it in briefer terms. I was referring to Zack's post and vote on Sunbae, which I had interpreted as Zack having a jailkeeper red on Sunbae. Since both me and Marl both had Sunbae in our PoEs at the end of the night, I thought we were right on the money and was excited about the hit. The post was a veiled question whether he could see it too and was just as excited as me. It got misinterpreted to hell and back but that was the intent.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 12:01 pm
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outed wolf wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:00 pm If they don't kill Amy, like half the game would be a better potential kill than vulgard lol
But that's exactly why I'm saying it's a PR hunt. I really didn't expect to get attacked otherwise. I even said it at the end of my chat with Marl.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 12:00 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:58 am
Vulgard wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:54 am I agree that this seems like a false dichotomy. I understand going by Occam's Razor that this must make Marl a wolf, but socially I really don't think he's a wolf. He's had the towniest reactions in the thread to Sunbae's claim on me fmpov.

I don't think wolves thinking I'm PR is too unreasonable, especially since I've been actively trying not to spew myself VT.
I admit that I didn’t think of one thing:
I didn’t think about mafia not wanting to kill Amy because they may have expected her to get jailkept.
So I was thinking: Why would scum go for Vulgard instead of Amy unless they were sure Vulgard was JK.

That’s a mistake though, cause they weren’t just free to go for Amy anyway. So you may have just been their best guess. In which case, the Marl thing could be an unhappy coincidence.
I honestly can't find a better explanation than this. I really think Marl is just town. His reaction to Sunbae's claim would have to be some extreme theatrics if he were a wolf who knew what happened, and I simply don't think he's capable of that level of pretending.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 11:55 am
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I would like to highlight that at no point did Marl try to rolefish in our chat. He reactiontested me by fakeclaiming JK and then rescinded. I had every right not to claim there if I was actually the JK, he left me the perfect out. I initially just hardclaimed VT in response to his claim because we were kinda reactiontesting each other at first lmao.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 11:54 am
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I agree that this seems like a false dichotomy. I understand going by Occam's Razor that this must make Marl a wolf, but socially I really don't think he's a wolf. He's had the towniest reactions in the thread to Sunbae's claim on me fmpov.

I don't think wolves thinking I'm PR is too unreasonable, especially since I've been actively trying not to spew myself VT.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 11:51 am
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I fakeclaimed to Marl because if he was wolf I wanted him to think I'm the jailkeeper. I originally didn't plan to do this, but after he fakeclaimed to me, I decided to fakeclaim right back after he rescinded. I thought this would make it even more likely to him that I'm the real jailkeeper, because then I could be like "oh I knew all along."

I thought I botched it, though. ...Guess not, if Marl is a wolf? But I think his posting today has been towny. What Dizzy's saying makes sense to me but I socially don't think Marl's a wolf.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 11:00 am
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 10:55 am Wait wait wait

@Vulgard claimed jk to Marl in the night times, correct?
Marl claimed it to me first, then rescinded, then I claimed it to him.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 10:28 am
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I'd expect you to feel a sense of obligation to do it? You spent two days tunneling a VT and all you can do is shrug?
Irl excuses aside, your posting today has been uninspiring. You not having anything to say to this massive post I wrote, other than responding to a singular point I made against you (and the weakest one at that), only solidifies my view.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 8:13 am
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I have no idea, I'm just trying to rationalize it and "wolves think I'm JK and they think I'm more likely to catch them than the tracker" is the best idea I have. The alternative is that either you or Arete are wolves (or both lmao) but I think you're both villagers.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 7:34 am
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Take: What if wolves were trying to roleblock the jailkeeper instead, because they were worried the JK would hit their kill carrier? In that case, they don't target Amy because they're worried she'll be jailkept, but they still try to roleblock the jailkeeper because they're afraid of one of the wolves getting caught by them. If Amy gets a result, JK didn't target them. If Amy gets no result, whoever they tried to roleblock isn't the jailkeeper.

Idk how likely that is but it just occurred to me. In this scenario, the wolves would have to all be likely JK targets, but I don't think it's impossible. Suboptimal, maybe. You could argue they should just go for Amy if they are trying to roleblock the JK. But they went for me instead.

Or they just thought I'm JK and wanted to get rid of me while ensuring I don't catch them in return. Marl believing I'm JK should make him a wolf in that world but his handling of today's situation makes me seriously doubt that possibility.

I think I get attacked in a world where wolves think I'm JK and they are trying to kill me first. In that world it's possible I also get roleblocked to prevent their kill from getting stopped. It's possible they thought me stopping their kill was more likely than Amy tracking the nightkiller.

Just my theory.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 6:56 am
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Wait, I've just realized what I said. Chloe, if you read this, I'm sorry.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 6:50 am
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I'm willing to sheep thread consensus on Visor being town but reevaluate if he lives too long.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 6:32 am
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I never thought I would say this but I want Tangrowth back in Chloe's slot because I feel like Tangrowth would be here now to talk to me.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 6:25 am
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He's also voting me WITH DYA right now. And dya's voting WITH HIM, even though they both wolfread each other. The other two current voters are both town PRs, one 100% and the other 99,99%, so I'm not questioning that. C4 and dya voting together on me and not even considering a world I'm V is bizarre, though. They had wolfread each other, but then piled on me when Sunbae revealed the JK, and didn't question the fact the other was voting there without any doubts.
by Vulgard
Mon May 31, 2021 6:22 am
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If c4 doesn't vote dyachei with me after entering the thread again, he's just a wolf. He's thought dya was mafia for two day phases yet voted me without giving it much scrutiny and before I could say anything.

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