The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:27 pm I am currently between classes and waiting for my next class to begin; it will begin shortly. If there isn't much going on I'll alt tab to check in, but if it requires my attention then I have a policy of putting real life before mafia. @falcon45ca @DrWilgy if you two have questions for me, or want to talk to me, now's the time. I am requesting that one and ideally both of you put your vote on Seanzie. Thanks.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:24 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.

You're right, I would kill Lime Coke if I were mafia in this situation. I think it's in everyone's best interest to kill Lime Coke at night in this situation because there's a very high probability that he enters the day being confirmed town. Also, killing Lime Coke closes the door to some discussions over what happened yesterday.

Though, playing devil's advocate to my own argument, if my goal is to get Alison killed, Lime Coke could reasonably be turned in that direction after the Fext flip + it's unclear what I would assume about Alison's read on Lime Coke, is it solid, or is it fabricated?

ALSO, I don't push Alison if I'm mafia. Or at the very least, I don't consider pushing Alison to be a good idea for mafia... Every play is correct some % of the time.

I was a top wagon yesterday and I'm a top wagon today. I am objectively an easy push for mafia. You don't need LC around to do that, and the same goes for your assertion that you don't push me when you're mafia because I'm a hard person to exe or whatever.

If you were an easy kill you would have died yesterday. Fext was literally inno child.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:47 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:31 pm Alison's gone quiet

Yeah, I had a busy day yesterday, then went to a medical appointment that dragged on for hours, came home, and crashed. I'm around now, if you have anything specific you'd like to talk to me about.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:52 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:10 pm Yeah, going thru Creatures ISO again, and I'm fine with their flip.


Creature/Alison chuck wagon races? Let's do it

I think NAA/Seanzie might have more equity than Creature at this point. How do you feel about them?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:27 pm @falcon45ca please look at these posts and tell me if you actually think this is townie content and not a wolf creating a lot of shallow content. You can either read my takes or ignore them, but please look at these.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Seanzie didn't like the dead townie townreading me lol

This is a really bad take. Mac super good wolf. LC townreading him there was weird. No way town!Mac interprets this as me not liking a dead townie townreading him?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:54 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

yeah wtf Seanzie is just mafia how did we get like this

No actual explanation here as to why me voting LC for what looks like TMI points to me being mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm Creature/Seanzie bag and tag it

No actual thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

no thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.

This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Why tho?

asks a shallow question. Mac gives no take on why it wouldn't be or anything. no effort needed for this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:28 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:52 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.

This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

I agree with Alison on all points.

well this I didn't expect to see?

Doesn't actually give a take here, just points out votes on dead townies. There isn't anything inherently scummy about votes, Mac is not giving thoughts at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:11 am Holy fuck I'm towntowntowntowntown



Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair

I am not going to lie. I have actually been town clearing you in games for the past six months because you only ever open games when you are town by saying that you are town and when you are mafia you do not. I swear this read is accurate lol. (don't fact check it)

weak read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:47 am

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:42 amcan confirm

Your pocket attempt is duly noted, and while I appreciate the effort, it won't work...this time.



You may try again later if you like

like this just reads like empty bs

This is not really a good take. what is empty or BS about this post?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.

All the things I've said in the thread are merely masking the fact that I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.

hmmm

no actual thoughts given here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:43 pm I am starting to become confbiased into seanzie/alison worlds so imma gonna stop backreading for a bit

unclear how he got here. He hasn't actually given any thoughts or reasons on me or Alison. Quoting posts and going "hmm" is not thoughts. going is not a thought. Looking at Alison having voted LC and Fext but giving legit no thoughts about it does not constitute progression.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps

Fext, I'm obvtown at this point, move me up.

Also LC does not belong there. Neither does NAA.

hmmm

Again, no thoughts. Just "hmmm". This is extremely fake and performative.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

the timing of this vote profiles as a distancing vote designed for future optics

Meh, this is literally the best post out of all of the ones he did in his quick burst, but it's still not really a good take.

He didn't give thoughts. Look at those posts. Look at how shallow they are. It is very very performative. He created a lot of posts with no real content.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.


Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.


Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at

I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.

I use hmmmmmm all the time as town.


Mac made associations & reads based off your posts. That does take some effort, but what I said was that it doesn't feel forced. His effort feels genuine to me in his solve.


I'm not seeing much in your self defense outside of "this is wolf agenda" and disparaging Mac's efforts.


Mac is just a wolf in your eyes?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:26 pm @MacDougall Who's the more likely wolf between Creature & Sean in your eyes?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.


Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.


Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at

I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:19 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm

Alison/Creature
Mac/Creature

It's unlikely though because 1) both are implicitly trying to get creature killed... An argument can be made that Alison is pushing me, but really, does anyone feel the pressure of a town!Alison push coming my way?

Alison & Mac have no world view other than someone in the game must be mafia, and oh by the way "our town reads are probably more like null reads that we'll have to rescind"

If you need evidence of where Mac posts that he's only town reading people because other people are town reading them, you can go find it yourself.

If you need evidence to see how Alison doesn't care who dies, you can go find that yourself. She's just like randomly bundling people together to make blanket statements like "These players don't care about mafia" ... "These players are always right" ... "These players are the scummiest in the game, because the plot demands that they must be"

Remember when I said on D1 that Alison's reads didn't make sense?

She had 2 hard scum reads
3 Null reads
1 wavering town read
1 hard town read

Do you see how the top 3 rows of that are incompatible? It's not any better today.

We're not reading the game all that differently IMO.


Creature, Alison, Mac


I'm fine w/ any of these 3

I don't really like how you went from a completely different worldview to this one predicated on "I dont like the doomsday shit" or whatever. Like your only actual arguments I can see being applied to me but where have Creature or Alison done what's required for this? It just feels like you're trying to appease whoever seems to be in charge of the gamestate at any given time. When it looked like I was in charge you were pushing my worldview, I go to sleep and Seanzie/NAA have some thread control without me fighting for it and you just switch to theirs?

Based on what you're griping about (which is demonstrably NAI at best) you should be voting for me anyway.

Creature has had at least...2? Posts re: "town is doomed, town is doooooooomed"


And while sure, sometimes town has that attitude, I find it more often comes from wolves trying to foster a a negative town state.

In any case I'm not a wolf trying to foster a negative town state. I wasn't trying to manipulate anyones mood (literally read the posts). I just made a quick summation based on known factors (the most prominent being my own capacity to win the game), which I am prone to do all the time.

I hadn't seen Creature make any town is doomed posts or whatever but Creature does that in literally ever game, it's NAI for him.

Alison didn't do it at all yet you're voting her? Why?

What makes you so sure on NAA, Seanzie and Wilgy? Why am I in your POE and not them?

There's an earnestness in NAAs posting & solving I think would be difficult to produce as Maf...tho I have some mild concern over him as a deepwolf, he's town IMO.

He's the only 1 of those 3 I'm TR.

What's your game solve Mac? How are you reading things rn?


Pretend I just subbed in

Right now I am at the point where I am going to spend some time to day completely reevaluating and I'll probably attempt to reread the game entirely.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:19 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:26 pm Honestly, Alison & Mac have played a phenomenal wolf game. Live through D1, pocket the townies you need for votes, kill obvious town who risks having a voice. Open wolf to people who you can't pocket, because they don't matter.

Do you have a world where one of or both Mac/Alison aren't scum?

Alison/Creature
Mac/Creature

It's unlikely though because 1) both are implicitly trying to get creature killed... An argument can be made that Alison is pushing me, but really, does anyone feel the pressure of a town!Alison push coming my way?

Alison & Mac have no world view other than someone in the game must be mafia, and oh by the way "our town reads are probably more like null reads that we'll have to rescind"

If you need evidence of where Mac posts that he's only town reading people because other people are town reading them, you can go find it yourself.

If you need evidence to see how Alison doesn't care who dies, you can go find that yourself. She's just like randomly bundling people together to make blanket statements like "These players don't care about mafia" ... "These players are always right" ... "These players are the scummiest in the game, because the plot demands that they must be"

Remember when I said on D1 that Alison's reads didn't make sense?

She had 2 hard scum reads
3 Null reads
1 wavering town read
1 hard town read

Do you see how the top 3 rows of that are incompatible? It's not any better today.

We're not reading the game all that differently IMO.


Creature, Alison, Mac


I'm fine w/ any of these 3

I don't really like how you went from a completely different worldview to this one predicated on "I dont like the doomsday shit" or whatever. Like your only actual arguments I can see being applied to me but where have Creature or Alison done what's required for this? It just feels like you're trying to appease whoever seems to be in charge of the gamestate at any given time. When it looked like I was in charge you were pushing my worldview, I go to sleep and Seanzie/NAA have some thread control without me fighting for it and you just switch to theirs?

Based on what you're griping about (which is demonstrably NAI at best) you should be voting for me anyway.

Creature has had at least...2? Posts re: "town is doomed, town is doooooooomed"


And while sure, sometimes town has that attitude, I find it more often comes from wolves trying to foster a a negative town state.

In any case I'm not a wolf trying to foster a negative town state. I wasn't trying to manipulate anyones mood (literally read the posts). I just made a quick summation based on known factors (the most prominent being my own capacity to win the game), which I am prone to do all the time.

I hadn't seen Creature make any town is doomed posts or whatever but Creature does that in literally ever game, it's NAI for him.

Alison didn't do it at all yet you're voting her? Why?

What makes you so sure on NAA, Seanzie and Wilgy? Why am I in your POE and not them?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:19 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:26 pm Honestly, Alison & Mac have played a phenomenal wolf game. Live through D1, pocket the townies you need for votes, kill obvious town who risks having a voice. Open wolf to people who you can't pocket, because they don't matter.

Do you have a world where one of or both Mac/Alison aren't scum?

Alison/Creature
Mac/Creature

It's unlikely though because 1) both are implicitly trying to get creature killed... An argument can be made that Alison is pushing me, but really, does anyone feel the pressure of a town!Alison push coming my way?

Alison & Mac have no world view other than someone in the game must be mafia, and oh by the way "our town reads are probably more like null reads that we'll have to rescind"

If you need evidence of where Mac posts that he's only town reading people because other people are town reading them, you can go find it yourself.

If you need evidence to see how Alison doesn't care who dies, you can go find that yourself. She's just like randomly bundling people together to make blanket statements like "These players don't care about mafia" ... "These players are always right" ... "These players are the scummiest in the game, because the plot demands that they must be"

Remember when I said on D1 that Alison's reads didn't make sense?

She had 2 hard scum reads
3 Null reads
1 wavering town read
1 hard town read

Do you see how the top 3 rows of that are incompatible? It's not any better today.

We're not reading the game all that differently IMO.


Creature, Alison, Mac


I'm fine w/ any of these 3

I don't really like how you went from a completely different worldview to this one predicated on "I dont like the doomsday shit" or whatever. Like your only actual arguments I can see being applied to me but where have Creature or Alison done what's required for this? It just feels like you're trying to appease whoever seems to be in charge of the gamestate at any given time. When it looked like I was in charge you were pushing my worldview, I go to sleep and Seanzie/NAA have some thread control without me fighting for it and you just switch to theirs?

Based on what you're griping about (which is demonstrably NAI at best) you should be voting for me anyway.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:26 pm Honestly, Alison & Mac have played a phenomenal wolf game. Live through D1, pocket the townies you need for votes, kill obvious town who risks having a voice. Open wolf to people who you can't pocket, because they don't matter.

Do you have a world where one of or both Mac/Alison aren't scum?

Alison/Creature
Mac/Creature

It's unlikely though because 1) both are implicitly trying to get creature killed... An argument can be made that Alison is pushing me, but really, does anyone feel the pressure of a town!Alison push coming my way?

Alison & Mac have no world view other than someone in the game must be mafia, and oh by the way "our town reads are probably more like null reads that we'll have to rescind"

If you need evidence of where Mac posts that he's only town reading people because other people are town reading them, you can go find it yourself.

If you need evidence to see how Alison doesn't care who dies, you can go find that yourself. She's just like randomly bundling people together to make blanket statements like "These players don't care about mafia" ... "These players are always right" ... "These players are the scummiest in the game, because the plot demands that they must be"

Remember when I said on D1 that Alison's reads didn't make sense?

She had 2 hard scum reads
3 Null reads
1 wavering town read
1 hard town read

Do you see how the top 3 rows of that are incompatible? It's not any better today.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:28 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:59 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:00 pm The amount of despair in this thread after 1 mislynch is ridiculous. Anyone who's got a throw in the towel, town can't win, if it's so and so then gg...garbage. All of that is sus.


I've been noting that attitude from NAA, Creature & Mac

I think this shows a complete lack of understanding for how scum sided 7v2 is, especially if you miss and no firm conclusion is drawn from it.

But yeah, I told you yesterday didn't I? A Fext kill does nothing towards advancing people's understanding of the game. This is actually probably the case more often than not, and people who swear to the "information kill" are probably not valuing "informative" correctly. As in, informing my opinion of the game isn't a recipe for success in mafia, especially at the cost of a miss... Scum can either just kill you, or twist the logic in another way that makes sense that you'll buy into as a player who looks for that type of reasoning.

Now, some people killed Fext because he was "scummy"... Which, yikes.

It's less than ideal, but I refuse to belive the game is lost simply cuz town isnt batting a thousand.

All that attitude does is serve to make it difficult for town to find each other

Alison is the vote today, if you thought Alison was the vote yesterday, you should be doubled down on that today because the evidence which prompted that line has been revealed.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:25 pm We should probably all vote Alison

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:26 pm Honestly, Alison & Mac have played a phenomenal wolf game. Live through D1, pocket the townies you need for votes, kill obvious town who risks having a voice. Open wolf to people who you can't pocket, because they don't matter.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:59 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:00 pm The amount of despair in this thread after 1 mislynch is ridiculous. Anyone who's got a throw in the towel, town can't win, if it's so and so then gg...garbage. All of that is sus.


I've been noting that attitude from NAA, Creature & Mac

I think this shows a complete lack of understanding for how scum sided 7v2 is, especially if you miss and no firm conclusion is drawn from it.

But yeah, I told you yesterday didn't I? A Fext kill does nothing towards advancing people's understanding of the game. This is actually probably the case more often than not, and people who swear to the "information kill" are probably not valuing "informative" correctly. As in, informing my opinion of the game isn't a recipe for success in mafia, especially at the cost of a miss... Scum can either just kill you, or twist the logic in another way that makes sense that you'll buy into as a player who looks for that type of reasoning.

Now, some people killed Fext because he was "scummy"... Which, yikes.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:48 pm Damn though

I was trusting Alison, Mac and Seanzie had good reads yesterday.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:51 pm @falcon45ca you around? I'm a little worried about a LC snipe.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:20 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC

stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped

@falcon45ca

I mean, that's def tongue in cheek, but OK

Sure, it's a joke... But it came to his mind that the posts might be incredibly towny.

Let's say Fext flips town, there will be a split between "It was obvious" and "He should have just been towny"... Which makes the situation a lot less obvious when he does flip and some people are accused of going for LHF, while some are accused of TMI.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC

stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped

@falcon45ca

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:03 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:54 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:47 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm Despite all that I'm not fully convinced she's a hit

Could just be high on her own supply

There's no reason to think this with Alison. If she's confidently wrong (which you would know for a fact), then she's just mafia - specifically in this situation where she demonstrated null / uncertain reads on other players in the game - lots of them.

There's a difference between a well respected (for their reads) player being wrong, and being confidently tunnel wrong.

Would anybody else like to comment on the veracity of this

I reckon I don't know.

NAA's progression on Alison felt, strange. I can see where the read shifted, nor do I see where a rascal NAA would feel the need to make that shift. Rascal NAA would be fuckin around and would just continue to sheep Alison assumin they aren't aligned.

Now in regards to NAA's read, my conflict is that the only nulls of Alison's are NAA/Creature/Mac. At the time, I'd reckon them were all fair reads.

My progression on Alison is the moment I realized Fext & Lime Coke might be town.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:58 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:53 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:52 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:45 am So I definitely think Fext is the right choice of chop today, but I also think the people currently on Fext should state why they're voting. He brought up a good point that some of the people were voting Fext for a while.

@Alison @DrWilgy @MacDougall

Do you all think Fext scumslipped? If not, do you still think he should be the yeet? Why/why not?

If he flips scum, possible partners?

Well now, I do think I stated quite plain that I do think that there is some disgenuine reading going on in here.

I reckon that I could also vote for Creature here, but that'd generate us little to no vantage if I'm wrong.

My day 1 lock is Fext/Creature.

Other possibilities are as follows:
I could see you and Fext.
I could see LC and Fext.
I could see NAA and Fext.

I would argue that Fext flip also gives us little information. I would also argue that flipping based on what provides more information is a bad strategy - specifically in 7v2.

He has over 120 posts, and lots of interactions


It's impossible for us to not get a good about of info from their flip.

I'd argue the info on me is low

However I would say that forcing like half the town to re-evaluate and at least one or two scum to fake re-evaluation would at least be good

Don't let people stay set in their ways if I go over

You think we gain little info from your flip, eh?



OK.

I mean, the issue is, like Mac pointed out, he's town telling hard. So then he goes over, people are like... Obvious, yeah in hindsight it's obvious that he was town... Ok, who do we target, on wagon or off wagon? People exploiting the fact that he's obviously town but going over because new or people who are pushing the LHF in a game that requires very few misselims?

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:53 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:52 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:45 am So I definitely think Fext is the right choice of chop today, but I also think the people currently on Fext should state why they're voting. He brought up a good point that some of the people were voting Fext for a while.

@Alison @DrWilgy @MacDougall

Do you all think Fext scumslipped? If not, do you still think he should be the yeet? Why/why not?

If he flips scum, possible partners?

Well now, I do think I stated quite plain that I do think that there is some disgenuine reading going on in here.

I reckon that I could also vote for Creature here, but that'd generate us little to no vantage if I'm wrong.

My day 1 lock is Fext/Creature.

Other possibilities are as follows:
I could see you and Fext.
I could see LC and Fext.
I could see NAA and Fext.

I would argue that Fext flip also gives us little information. I would also argue that flipping based on what provides more information is a bad strategy - specifically in 7v2.

He has over 120 posts, and lots of interactions


It's impossible for us to not get a good about of info from their flip.

I'd argue the info on me is low

However I would say that forcing like half the town to re-evaluate and at least one or two scum to fake re-evaluation would at least be good

Don't let people stay set in their ways if I go over

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:47 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm Despite all that I'm not fully convinced she's a hit

Could just be high on her own supply

There's no reason to think this with Alison. If she's confidently wrong (which you would know for a fact), then she's just mafia - specifically in this situation where she demonstrated null / uncertain reads on other players in the game - lots of them.

There's a difference between a well respected (for their reads) player being wrong, and being confidently tunnel wrong.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:52 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:45 am So I definitely think Fext is the right choice of chop today, but I also think the people currently on Fext should state why they're voting. He brought up a good point that some of the people were voting Fext for a while.

@Alison @DrWilgy @MacDougall

Do you all think Fext scumslipped? If not, do you still think he should be the yeet? Why/why not?

If he flips scum, possible partners?

Well now, I do think I stated quite plain that I do think that there is some disgenuine reading going on in here.

I reckon that I could also vote for Creature here, but that'd generate us little to no vantage if I'm wrong.

My day 1 lock is Fext/Creature.

Other possibilities are as follows:
I could see you and Fext.
I could see LC and Fext.
I could see NAA and Fext.

I would argue that Fext flip also gives us little information. I would also argue that flipping based on what provides more information is a bad strategy - specifically in 7v2.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:25 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:13 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:50 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:55 am Not sure if I'll make it to EOD.

Final answer today: NAA and Creature mafia.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:56 am Mac possibly one of them, but if he is then oh well I guess. Nothing I can do about it.

Why do you feel so glum, chum?


Do you feel that strongly that Fekt is Town?

If Fext & LC are town, the game is probably over. Alison knows this and is pushing that we should check their alignments before suspecting her... Bundling herself with Mac & Seanzie. Mac who told Fext to stop town telling and kept pushing him which is the type of thing he does as mafia... And Seanzie gets into random tunnels at times... Recent game where he tunneled Mac comes to mind.

Alison isn't raising any alarm bells for me, but that's also NAI for her.


I do belive we should look at 1 of Fext/LC first, Alison is someone I'd look into next RD after one of their flips.

IMO Fext is always the yeet today, but...

it did ping me a bit when Alison said me/her/mac are all on Fext and have good D1 reads... I'm not sure what game she would have gotten that impression from me on, so it felt a bit weird/pockety/lumping herself in, but meh, this is small fries compared to Fext.

If Fext does flip town though, I think Mac deserves more scrutiny though. NAA has made good points that Mac has acted a bit weird around the Fext push, and even things like Mac townreading Alison earlier seemed kinda off.

Again though, this is all thoughts for post-Fext flip. If I'm right on him, we're in great shape, and if not, I need to know that asap.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:50 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:55 am Not sure if I'll make it to EOD.

Final answer today: NAA and Creature mafia.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:56 am Mac possibly one of them, but if he is then oh well I guess. Nothing I can do about it.

Why do you feel so glum, chum?


Do you feel that strongly that Fekt is Town?

If Fext & LC are town, the game is probably over. Alison knows this and is pushing that we should check their alignments before suspecting her... Bundling herself with Mac & Seanzie. Mac who told Fext to stop town telling and kept pushing him which is the type of thing he does as mafia... And Seanzie gets into random tunnels at times... Recent game where he tunneled Mac comes to mind.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:55 am Not sure if I'll make it to EOD.

Final answer today: NAA and Creature mafia.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:56 am Mac possibly one of them, but if he is then oh well I guess. Nothing I can do about it.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:15 am how does mac work?

Mac tries hard in wolf games if he feels that a) he has something to prove or b) he enjoys the game and wants to take it seriously. Unrelated to fatigue from previous wolf rands or whatever. I find that you tend to be high activity/WIM/tryhard levels in general, and low on those things when you are burned out, struggling with IRL stuff, or think the game is bad (toxic thread atmosphere, extremely low quality of play, etc.)

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:14 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:22 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:18 pm Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm @falcon45ca u mafia?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:22 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:18 pm Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:18 pm Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:39 pm Just because you're all bad at wolfhunting doesn't mean whoever is good at wolfhunting is TMIing.

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:23 pm also Alison came in, threw shade on people I think are townier and townread somebody I don't and then dipped

what part of that makes it so that I simply must townread her

Who are the townier folks in your mind? Why are they towny?



Who do you see as scum currently?

bruh