The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:06 pm I actually had a beefy as fuck role too. Now I am neg utility.

Did you know there was a chance of this happening before you shot?

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

honey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:59 pm it's a wolf gun i'm sure and hk is confirmed to me now tyvm

You think that Mac is uninformed traitor and had a gun that only kills town and shot HK here? You seem oddly confident, but this requires multiple pretty big logical leaps and there are much more straightforward explanations.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:58 pm aight you've had enough mac see ya later

You should give some thoughts on Scotty before you go.

What if Wolf!HK faked a red on TSP to distract from Wolf!Scotty on trial?

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:55 pm [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

I have >rand confidence this is wolf

I am also willing to vote a counterwagon if we want to resolve one, I just dont really have a read on ender & am starting to doubt myself on hk

What do you think of Scotty?

That fake red was really weaksauce. Like, HK, what did you gain from it? Why did you rescind?

Vote count 1 hour before EoD:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:03 am

Vote count 30 minutes before EoD:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:34 am

EoD vote count:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:06 am

So between 1 hour and 30 minutes before EoD
Ender votes Mansnicks
Creature votes Mansnicks
Michelle votes Mansnicks

This moves Ender down to 3 votes and Mansnicks up to 7, with at least one wolf moving.

Then in the last half hour, (not sure about the order here):
Creature moves to Scotty? wtf?
Lime Coke and Dolby move to Mansnicks.

If we look at the people voting for HK: Falcon, me, TripleHaven, and the top wagon. This is not a wagon that would scare wolves in this situation.

If we look at people voting for Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, and originally creature, but eventually flea. This is a much scarier wagon for wolves unless if some of these people are wolves.

If the pile onto Mansnicks was a wolf pile on, then I think it is more likely a save of Ender, not HK. I also don't know wtf Creature was doing here, moving to the main wagon just to jump to a vanity wagon at the end? wtf?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:16 pm hk and ender equal c/w two dead town out of 4 voters on hk at least one wolf on mansnicks.

Wagonomics heavily implies that HK is a wolf here. Ender sus also. And mafia stacking on mansnicks.

HK has been pretty towny on play today and has claimed a redcheck.

@TonyStarkPrime, what are your thoughts on Scotty?

Does anyone know how Michelle plays as wolf? Is she more likely to distance or shield her wolfmates?

It is possible that the NK was in some other way messed with though and Falcon died for some other reason since I agree Falcon is a weird kill here, but I don't see the benefit of chasing that too hard at this point, except to say that NK analysis here might be even more dubious than normal.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:49 am Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

Here is a link to a Guillo game where Owner got replicatored and flipped as a "town replicator": https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post13642

Note: the BAD KILLERS in that game were actually town (the GOOD KILLERS were mafia)

I think Michelle was most likely mafia.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:51 am I don't get what the argument is that says the flip is unreliable here?

Michelle flipped with the "replicator" role, which is a factional kill modifier that has a janitoresque+roletheif affect. The Janitoresque effect of the role is the concern I think.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing
I don't see what Falcon's role has to do with this?

Even though Michelle flipped Replicator, which is a bastard role that makes it hard to figure out what Michelle truly was, based on the info, it seems very likely Michelle was was indeed mafia.

Are you talking about Michelle having post-mortem powers?
I'm not? What?

Falcon had the mirror thing so that lessens the chance he was a vig shot/increases the chance he was NKed, although if it was an activated passive that probably doesn't matter.

Michelle's flip is totally unreliable, and frankly between her and falcon in a vacuum she's way more likely to be nked imo

So yeah, there's definitely a chance she was mafia, but I don't think its anything approaching a sure thing

Oh sorry, I misread the mirror thing as it not reflecting any kills, but it only doesn't reflect the factional kill.

Michelle's flip looks legit IMO. They did flip replicator, but the replicator role says 1. that it doesn't take the alignment, and 2. that it only replaces one ability, so I believe if Michelle was town, they would flip town (I've seen Guillo use the replicator role in the past, and they flipped their true alignment) and also wouldn't have the Killing Framer ability, which looks like a mafia ability. So, if Michelle was town, something else really affected her IN ADDITION TO Replicator, which seems unlikely.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

I don't see what Falcon's role has to do with this?

Even though Michelle flipped Replicator, which is a bastard role that makes it hard to figure out what Michelle truly was, based on the info, it seems very likely Michelle was was indeed mafia.

Are you talking about Michelle having post-mortem powers?

Okay, I'm actually going to try to try today. No promises on if that will work though.

Good job whoever killed Michelle.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:07 pm seanzie, why would I bother pocketing you?
You don't have thread presence, you aren't widely town read, and you're not making pushes that anyone jibes with.

If I'm wolfing here the best strategy is just ignore you.

Why wouldn't you pocket me? When I want to be, I'm pretty darn good at this game, and we have enough positive history together that makes me a good pick for you to try to pocket.

I don't think your pocket is an attempt to get me to do something specific today, but an attempt to be in my good books moving forward/to tie us together. I won't be the TK, and considering how I'm playing I also won't be the NK (unless scum figures out I'm a JOAT), so I'll be here tomorrow. I'm not going to meh out all game, and I don't think you knew I was going to meh out today when you started trying to pocket me (which was much earlier than I think you'd be willing to voice a reasonable townread on me since you know I'm a decent wolf as we've won as wolves together, and I had you tricked (at times) in Pixar).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:47 pm [VOTE: HallowKatt] aubergine
Can you articulate your reason here?

You're like 5 minutes late. Once you read the post before yours, let me know if you still have any questions.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:47 pm [VOTE: HallowKatt] aubergine
why
I'm opportunistically vote hopping.

I thought about it and decided that it isn't just opportunistic vote hopping. I think HK has been trying to pocket me. Vote is serious.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:13 pm Idk, I'm in a weird mood today.

It's really been the past couple of weeks to be honest.

But like... as Guillo always says, there is a method to the madness... or so I tell myself while I retroactively sort through my actions to try to figure out what the crap I was thinking.

Idk, I'm in a weird mood today.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:47 pm [VOTE: HallowKatt] aubergine
why

I'm opportunistically vote hopping.

[VOTE: HallowKatt] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:15 pm seanzie/michelle is not w/w. if it's t/w it's on michelle to be the wolf. I think it's t/t
Why do you find me towny? I've done nothing of substance this game.
Omg so humble
I don’t like this post

You seem to not like anything I post.

Care to explain?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:15 pm seanzie/michelle is not w/w. if it's t/w it's on michelle to be the wolf. I think it's t/t

Why do you find me towny? I've done nothing of substance this game.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:54 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:50 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:19 pm Falcon and Lime Coke are partners.

Creature should either stop signing up for games with a soup kill or stop complaining about the soup kill.
I think Creature bellyaching about how overpowered the soup kill is, is probably >rand villa for him. Very rarely see scum bitch about how scumsided the setup is.
I don't trust the general wolves habits, is town Creature always so low effort in your experience?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:15 pm
Yes, I am not sure about my read. Should I be? If it isn't clear, it was a scumlean on you.

It isn't a waste of a post for me to express how I feel about a slot in the game. Do you expect no one to voice scumreads?

Why are you quoting a ton of posts but not actually doing anything with them/talking about them?
I expect reads, not shades. Your post pinged me hard because we have no history and we didn't interact at all, and the wording was wishy-washy
For eg my suspicion on Creature is based on meta of multiple games and his lack of content in this game.

I just want to keep those posts in my Iso for later in the game, if i am alive i iso myself to see what i found interesting in day 1- this is a day to obtain infos.

Can you post some reads? a list would be enough.
So instead of asking WHY I don't like you, you say "kinda?"?

No.
That's because i don't really care about your reason as long as you put a 'scumlean' between kinda and ngl

My question was implied, when i asked 'kinda?' i was asking for an explanation for why are you unsure. Because ngl says you should have something to say. In my opinion the 2, the word kinda and the expression ngl have opposed meaning when it's about a read. You put ngl when you're sure.
But this is maybe a me thing, and if i am wrong, my bad

You didn't answer at my question, post your reads please
Ah, so instead of trying to solve me, you're going to accuse me of throwing shade while throwing shade yourself based on things like "kinda" and "ngl"? Cool. Let me update my read:

Really don't like Michelle, ngl.

I did answer your question, with a single word: "no".
What tells you i don't try to solve you? I explained you my one word question and i see you don't understand my intent.. Are we talking past each other?

Post your reads and stop being stubborn

Maybe we are.

I'm not going to post reads just because you tell me to. If I had well-formed thoughts on the game, I would give them. I don't, so I'm not going to.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:50 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:19 pm Falcon and Lime Coke are partners.

Creature should either stop signing up for games with a soup kill or stop complaining about the soup kill.
I think Creature bellyaching about how overpowered the soup kill is, is probably >rand villa for him. Very rarely see scum bitch about how scumsided the setup is.
I don't trust the general wolves habits, is town Creature always so low effort in your experience?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:15 pm
Yes, I am not sure about my read. Should I be? If it isn't clear, it was a scumlean on you.

It isn't a waste of a post for me to express how I feel about a slot in the game. Do you expect no one to voice scumreads?

Why are you quoting a ton of posts but not actually doing anything with them/talking about them?
I expect reads, not shades. Your post pinged me hard because we have no history and we didn't interact at all, and the wording was wishy-washy
For eg my suspicion on Creature is based on meta of multiple games and his lack of content in this game.

I just want to keep those posts in my Iso for later in the game, if i am alive i iso myself to see what i found interesting in day 1- this is a day to obtain infos.

Can you post some reads? a list would be enough.
So instead of asking WHY I don't like you, you say "kinda?"?

No.
That's because i don't really care about your reason as long as you put a 'scumlean' between kinda and ngl

My question was implied, when i asked 'kinda?' i was asking for an explanation for why are you unsure. Because ngl says you should have something to say. In my opinion the 2, the word kinda and the expression ngl have opposed meaning when it's about a read. You put ngl when you're sure.
But this is maybe a me thing, and if i am wrong, my bad

You didn't answer at my question, post your reads please

Ah, so instead of trying to solve me, you're going to accuse me of throwing shade while throwing shade yourself based on things like "kinda" and "ngl"? Cool. Let me update my read:

Really don't like Michelle, ngl.

I did answer your question, with a single word: "no".

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:15 pm
Yes, I am not sure about my read. Should I be? If it isn't clear, it was a scumlean on you.

It isn't a waste of a post for me to express how I feel about a slot in the game. Do you expect no one to voice scumreads?

Why are you quoting a ton of posts but not actually doing anything with them/talking about them?
I expect reads, not shades. Your post pinged me hard because we have no history and we didn't interact at all, and the wording was wishy-washy
For eg my suspicion on Creature is based on meta of multiple games and his lack of content in this game.

I just want to keep those posts in my Iso for later in the game, if i am alive i iso myself to see what i found interesting in day 1- this is a day to obtain infos.

Can you post some reads? a list would be enough.

So instead of asking WHY I don't like you, you say "kinda?"?

No.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:07 pm
Spoiler: show
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:07 pm Here I am for a bit.

Currently like how Scott is reading the game. I see myself agreeing with what he's been saying so far.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:09 pm At the moment, falcon is my strongest scumread but none of my townreads are voting there and some even townread them so I'm hesitant on that front.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:09 pm [VOTE: The Cereal King] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:08 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:07 pm Here I am for a bit.

Currently like how Scott is reading the game. I see myself agreeing with what he's been saying so far.
ruh roh
It's a gift and a curse, You're welcome.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:40 pm Vote is still on Seanzie because he is also affable and game solvey. Which is great.

But it’s too logical, and I find myself nodding in agreement. Normally that would mean he should be a town read. But he seems straightforward and safe to me

*shrug*
wait what? you wolf read seanzie because you agree with his takes and stances, and because that's straightforward and safe he's a wolf?
Have I fallen into some kind of bizarro universe or something?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:20 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:07 pm Here I am for a bit.

Currently like how Scott is reading the game. I see myself agreeing with what he's been saying so far.
in scotty land that would mean you should wolf read scotty
The enemy to my enemy is my enemy.

I have no friends.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:13 pm So I've decided that I'm not going to try to follow the game until it is smaller. See you all in three days.

honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:13 pm So I've decided that I'm not going to try to follow the game until it is smaller. See you all in three days.
this is not a winning attitude but it is a town attitude imo

i only know 3 ppl here and i dont remember most of what the people outside of that have posted unless i directly interacted with it or they were trying to fight me to get my attention 0= )

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:27 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:22 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:17 am Well this thread got quiet

I kinda consider #5 Seanzie putting on a good face, but having played with Seanzie on mafiacafe exactly once I think that’s how he presents himself and what he wants to get out at the start of games naturally so probs just NAI

Also he successfully bribed me

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
Looking back this was kinda weird
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:25 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:22 am Hey everyone, happy to play again with everyone i know

let's have a good game ^^

Right to business, i would vote now
[VOTE: Holowkatt] aubergine for whatever reason, except a logical one, so don't ask
you would vote me as a wolf currently? spicy
also Hi Michelle!
"Spicy" means a correct read?
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:29 am Only read I have is HK kinda towny still. See you on 11 hours, for real this time
Explain me the coloured word please
lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:31 amhey guys
Hi did we ever play together?
mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:21 pm Wait I'm a little confused about something - shouldn't I have had a role received by now?
Derp denied, but nice try
HK had the town!HK “don’t take any shit” attitude but it was super early. I think he’s pretty town now
honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:03 pm anyways n0 i have dolby visiting garden gnome???
Yeah I poisoned GG and there’s nothing you can do about it
mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:08 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:06 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:03 am I recommend everyone read the setup pretty carefully since there are a lot of non-standard things going on here. For example, the poll and the in-thread voting do different things.

Also, vote for me in the poll! Seanzie for president 2024!
It’s working kinda. I can join the Dolby/Seanzie ticket until something better comes along. Dolby 2024! Seanzie 2032!
Dolby, I'll be honest, I think there's a high chance my vote will be on you at EoD.

Your entrace already showed a survival mindset.
Seanzies entrance was a to-look-good but good for nothing advice.
And now you make this post? Do you see how it looks fmpov?

@Dolby question, what did you mean by "It's working kinda"? Sounds to me like Seanzie gave you a tip in the scumchat and that sentence was in response to that - because I see nothing in the thread that it could address. What is the "it"?
How am I showing survival mindset? Outside self voting I guess.

I noticed Seanzie voted me for NK immunity and I accepted the bribe, and voted him back.
mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:16 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:17 am Well this thread got quiet

I kinda consider #5 Seanzie putting on a good face, but having played with Seanzie on mafiacafe exactly once I think that’s how he presents himself and what he wants to get out at the start of games naturally so probs just NAI

Also he successfully bribed me
@Dolby when you say "putting on a good face" - does it mean you think he is good being good or bad acting good? Sounds like the latter, but you sound like you townread him. Which begs the question - could this post be a TMI slip by you in the sense that you're telling us that Seanzie is acting?
At the time I was considering him using campaigning as a supplement for participation which is bad. But idk his meta, he did a weird reaction test as scum the one time I played with him which got me thinking of what I’d expect his natural reaction to new mech would be.

What’s kinda problematic here is that you have a partner read on us at this moment based on a very specific scenario
honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:19 pm yeah dolby answer the question..

Spoiler: show
omg that was just a joke!! but maybe we can rxn test dolby if they dont read this first
Spoiler: show
gaming

Quoted this without noticing the spoiler. Kinda awk still but it’s fine
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:23 pm
honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:03 pm anyways n0 i have dolby visiting garden gnome???
[VOTE: honey] aubergine
N0 doesn't exist, sorry about your rand
Town HK reaction
mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:36 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:31 pm
mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:21 pm Wait I'm a little confused about something - shouldn't I have had a role received by now?
Derp denied, but nice try
Can't blame me for trying.
By the way, why you throwing shade at my boy HK? I like him because he baiting for reactions it felt like;
ALTHOUGH, #28 would look different if that were true.
Ok looking back at this specific thing I don’t think Ender looks as good as I was thing. More on that later

I really don’t see how #28 can be read weird? Scum aren’t just dropping their plans in thread.

The thought lines are so whack that I have to accept that they’re probably genuine
mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:15 pm Hello everybody!

I have 2 roles this game; JOAT & GOAT

Tom Brady ain't got sheeeeet on me
I have a very strong feeling Falcon randed scum. Don't ask me to explain, but it is real.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
I won't ask you to explain, but this is spicy if true.

It would mean Guillo sent me the wrong role card, and that's key-ray-zay

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:05 pm
honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:03 pm anyways n0 i have dolby visiting garden gnome???
I thought you said not to claim stuff
falcon, tbh, you don't question a scumread on you but you do role hunt - that's 2/2 not a good look on you.
How is that role fishing
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:51 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:18 amHK towny.
Why is HK townie to you?
Earlier
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:21 pm Mansnicks is tryharding in a way that is probably town indicative, but makes me suspicious.
Whack
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:43 pm Zero people picking up my Lime Coke suspicion strengthens my suspicion even more.
Yeah Lime Coke starting out with some to sus to be sus stuff and being whack in calling it out was questionable but I don’t really think this is given the time gap.
honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:52 pm hollowkatt should come explain it tbh because he seriously thought i was making a n0 claim about my role? he ignores that soup mechanics exist and doesnt try to dissuade me from claiming just votes me for dropping a joke reaction test that i thought was p brilliant bc it also misleads wolfies
Yeah that’s just how he is

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:05 pm Seanzie
tsp
honey
Alison
th
hk
mansnicks
ender

these are all town. get on this wavelength.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:09 pm sorry take ender out of my list

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:10 pm lime
flea
ender
creature

top scum
I’m gonna call the Hero Syndrome towny while hating it
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:41 pm [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Scummiest slot in the game so far.
So I've hard-disliked 2 of your takes so far, good start.
So Ender, you’re sussing a guy (Mansnicks) for trying to get derpcleared when he admitted it.

It’s probably just who he is

Definitely not town, but everything Ive seen elevating him has just been so brazen and weird for me to think it’s teammate elevation.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:17 pm Okay all of Honey's posting after her towny start is kinda awkward ngl
Agreeish
TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:19 pm im also not convinced of lime!scum

I think the thread is dominated by mostly town right now which incrimidates lowposters but, we'll see
who is included in the mostly town exactly?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:35 am I am aware but I'm also going to be away this afternoon so I'm okay spending a few posts.

Also not even halfway through my posts yet.

Responding because I was also going to say:
This feels-ish like Dolby's town-start. Put him on light-green.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:47 am Vote on Ender is pretty bad since I’m familiar with it but Hero Syndrome

Lime Come votes are ok

I feel like Mansnicks is twtbaw

Scotty’s vote on Seanzie is alright

HK votes bad

I should read Falcons ISO again since they have a lot of posts but I don’t have a solid vision on the slot

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:55 am i am willing to accept scotty and dolbys meta on hk

when i re-read his first sus and vote on me (again over a joke -__-) i think it's annoying but i think his tone & the way he says it sounds more like villager perspective idk

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:23 am
[VOTE: HONEY] aubergine
N0 doesn't exist, sorry about your rand

now to move on to the next slot

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:01 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:32 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:29 am help help I'm being pocketed
You are so town and I will strike your ego, now pls protect me from the bad people who would see me dead
K

Attention every one. Dolby is town because I said so

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:06 am Got baited by Honey

Asks Mansnicks what he views as wolf from me in #65, but I don’t think it’s productive. Mansnicks had put his thoughts with regards to my posts in thread at this point and they were pretty readily there.

agree that Mansnicks saying Falcon was rolefishing is invalid

Falcon jumps pretty suddenly on Mansnicks town in #89. I can’t blame him for basically not wqnting to deal with the slot, but a pretty big jump

I think his take on Lime Coke is coherent and consistent (sussing about asking about Alisons sus on him)

I need to look deeper into his thought that LC was treating Alison like he knew she was town. I don’t think I could support such an argument

I’m not willing to commit to LC/Falcon not being a team, not that I think they are but they’re fight didn’t feel not w/w. Connected to this, I like Seanzie slightly more. The thing that I noticed on this skim that I most think is not w/w is Falcon saying weird post before the whole quote chain

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:08 am TL;dr main interaction with LC I don’t really like (yes, despite me saying the take on sussing susses is coherent). Beyond that I think Falcon full sent on Mansnicks town to suddenly.

One of the more bleh high posters imo

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:11 am Honey, why Alison

Also gtg

One step further to catch up

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:51 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:15 pm Kinda don't like Michelle, ngl.
Kinda?
Yeah, kinda. Why? Do you have any reason why I should REALLY not like Michelle?
Kinda is a word that shows you're not sure about your read and also you don't express an actual read, you just 'kinda don't like' me, and adding 'ngl' to that seems false

It's a waste of a post where you say in fact nothing but you start to shade me out of nowhere

Yes, I am not sure about my read. Should I be? If it isn't clear, it was a scumlean on you.

It isn't a waste of a post for me to express how I feel about a slot in the game. Do you expect no one to voice scumreads?

Why are you quoting a ton of posts but not actually doing anything with them/talking about them?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:51 pm Ok I'm here for a little bit, someone tell me who to sheep
Not me, I'm hardcore checked out on this game right now.
Why?

Not sure, tbh. Just haven't read much and don't have the motivation to right meow.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:51 pm Ok I'm here for a little bit, someone tell me who to sheep

Not me, I'm hardcore checked out on this game right now.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:15 pm Kinda don't like Michelle, ngl.
Kinda?

Yeah, kinda. Why? Do you have any reason why I should REALLY not like Michelle?

Kinda don't like Michelle, ngl.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:06 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:05 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:30 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:28 am what up my dudes?
LoMo has a redcheck on you.
Oooh, that exciting. And it's even more exciting than me asking a scum for scum reads? LOL.
Um, Gnome, you DO realize that LoMo has made exactly one post in this game, and it's not a red check on me?
You had to check?
I checked when you said LoMo had a red on me b/c I didn't remember LoMo posting at all. So I thought maybe that was in the posts I didn't read from overnight.
My posts are getting more and more confused.
Did you find that red check? What do you think of it?

Gnome, there was no redcheck. I just said that to see how HK reacted. The fact that they felt the need to go look at LoMo's posts to figure out if I was telling the truth is troubling though.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:05 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:30 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:28 am what up my dudes?
LoMo has a redcheck on you.
Oooh, that exciting. And it's even more exciting than me asking a scum for scum reads? LOL.
Um, Gnome, you DO realize that LoMo has made exactly one post in this game, and it's not a red check on me?

You had to check?

mansnicks wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:37 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:43 pm Zero people picking up my Lime Coke suspicion strengthens my suspicion even more.
Is it because his reads contrast yours or because of his "this thread is hard to read"?
Those are the only things by him that happend before this post of yours imho.

I could get behind the "the thread is hard to read" reason I think.
But I hope there's more.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:49 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:43 pm Zero people picking up my Lime Coke suspicion strengthens my suspicion even more.
What's even suspicious about me?

What about my suspicion on Mansnicks?
Posts like this are suspicious
@Seanzie you called these guys w/w mates for this interaction. why?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:19 pm Falcon and Lime Coke are partners.

Creature should either stop signing up for games with a soup kill or stop complaining about the soup kill.
so Alison is the one Falcon is trying to pocket there? Was Falcon vocally suspicious of Lime Coke before Alison started talking about Lime?
How does that first question have anything to do with what Seanzie said?
Why are you asking **him** that 2nd question?

Not to dismiss the validity of that 2nd question, but that question is a leading question.
I feel like if you want to scumhunt then there's less sketchy ways to point out something that with leading questions.

Since you didn't address (in this post anyway) anything that seanzie said, but instead trying to convince him of your idea - I take it that for you Seanzie is a strong Townread? Because otherwise this post makes little sense.
If he is indeed - would be too much to ask for you to elaborate why you townread Seanzie?

Clearly because I thought they were W/W based on their interactions.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:28 am what up my dudes?

LoMo has a redcheck on you.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:34 am I proceeded to townread some more of Lime Coke's posts and the way the wagon formed felt too fast. I've liked Alison a lot here and it seems like everyone else does as well.

Townreads:

Alison
Lime Coke
mansnicks
TH

Townleans:

Dolby
HK
honey

Scumleans:

Flea the Magician
Michelle
Seanzie

Scumreads:

Falcon

I had the following questions at this point:

@Flea the Magician - Why shouldn't people vote you for NK immunity?

@honey - Roughly how much experience do you have playing as each alignment?

@Alison - Why do you feel that falcon is town?

@TripleHaven - Where is your townread on honey coming from in #88?

@Lime Coke - Roughly how much experience do you have playing as each alignment?

@Michelle - Do you feel engaged in this game?

@Alison - Isn't it a little hasty to only give the thread an hour before declaring that nobody has picked up on your read?

@Seanzie - Why are Falcon and Lime Coke paired in your book?

If you want the @'s to work, you need to start typing the persons name, and then wait a second, and a dropdown menu will appear and when you select their name it will actually ping them.

They had an awkward early reaction that I thought looked like Falcon was distancing after Alison shaded Lime Coke. Then it seemed like after I commented on it, Falcon/Lime Coke interactions intensified in a way that looked theatrical, but fair warning, that's also about when I started to not want to read everything, so here I am.

So I've decided that I'm not going to try to follow the game until it is smaller. See you all in three days.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:59 pm
honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:05 pm
honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:03 pm anyways n0 i have dolby visiting garden gnome???
I thought you said not to claim stuff
I'm made of sugar, spice, and everything nice so I'm immune to soup kills!!! A wolf or witch would not wanna eat my soup 0> )
Idk I usually like things with honey in it, so why wouldn't wolves?

Asking for a friend.

This is a good point. In the Volsung Saga (one of the most prominent old norse works not lost to time), one of the heroes of the saga was put into stocks and they got out by putting honey in their mouth, and a large she-wolf was licking the honey from their mouth, and the hero bit down on the she-wolf's tongue and the she-wolf recoiled so strongly that it ripped the hero out of the stocks.

So yeah, wolves like honey.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:30 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:19 pm Falcon and Lime Coke are partners.

Creature should either stop signing up for games with a soup kill or stop complaining about the soup kill.
so Alison is the one Falcon is trying to pocket there? Was Falcon vocally suspicious of Lime Coke before Alison started talking about Lime?
No. I noticed their post re: mansnicks "reaction is awkard & over the top" as a bit out of place, but it was their reaction to Alison's suspicion that really pinged me
yeah. I took a look at the timestamps between Alison and you being sus on Lime. It's about 8ish minutes or so, and that the two of you latched onto different things to be suspicious of independently AND those things are actually suspicious tells me that you're not paired with Lime IF Lime is a wolf AND that Alison is not paired with Lime.

If Lime is town it's possible that you and Alison are paired but that's not something I put the slightest amount of stock into

I don't see two wolves making a coordinated attack in the first few hours of the game very likely.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:25 pm kinda don't think falcon/coke are paired @Seanzie

Noted.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:19 pm Falcon and Lime Coke are partners.

Creature should either stop signing up for games with a soup kill or stop complaining about the soup kill.
so Alison is the one Falcon is trying to pocket there? Was Falcon vocally suspicious of Lime Coke before Alison started talking about Lime?

I wasn't talking about Falcon pocketing Lime Coke, I was saying they're both mafia.

Falcon and Lime Coke are partners.

Creature should either stop signing up for games with a soup kill or stop complaining about the soup kill.

Mansnicks is tryharding in a way that is probably town indicative, but makes me suspicious.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:15 pm Hello everybody!

I have 2 roles this game; JOAT & GOAT

Tom Brady ain't got sheeeeet on me

I have a very strong feeling Falcon randed scum. Don't ask me to explain, but it is real.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:17 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:16 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:14 am this is a post so I can vote myself for NK immunity
Vote me too though!
I did! See!
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:16 am I'm taking bribes I mean recommendations for where my other vote for NK immunity goes.
lets kill seanzie
[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Thanks!

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:16 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:01 am Time to self vote and AtE for immunity
I wanna vote you already

I like your vest. You should vote for me.

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